favourite debut albums

pig on the wing

here goes
radiohead - pablo honey
arcade fire - funeral
smashing pumpkins - gish
killers - hot fuss
clap your hands say yeah - s/t
beck - mellow gold
eh? eh?
?

JC 2K3

Pearl Jam - Ten
Alice in Chains - Facelift
Blind Melon - Blind Melon
Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium

indiewindy

suede :Suede
Godspeed you black emperor: F#A# (Infinity)
stone roses

sweetie

Enter the wu-tang: 36 Chambers
Delakota - One love
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Michael Head - introducing the strands
NERD - ?

The Free Man

The Mars Volta - DITC
¡Forward, Russia! - Give Me A Wall
Pink Floyd - The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Queens Of The Stone Age - Queens Of The Stone Age
UNKLE - Psyence Fiction
Weezer - Pinkerton

Creamy Goodness

The Free Man wrote:

Weezer - Pinkerton

although it's weezer's best album it wasn't a debut.

here is my list

sucioperro - random acts of intimacy.
biffy clyro - blackened sky
ozma - rock and roll part three
the postal service - give up

*Edit*
¡Forward, Russia! - Give Me A Wall

totally forgot about this one, great debut and a great live band

pig on the wing

piper at the gates is one of floyd's worst albums, imo. never did like barrett.

indiewindy

Theres some great stuff on piper, just a pity see Emily play and Arnold Lane were left off it. Bike is timeless:)

Garret

Stone Roses - Stone Roses
Hope Of The States - The Lost Riots
Luxembourg - Front
The Clash - The Clash
Arcade Fire- Funeral
Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico

cashback

Murmur - REM
Turn On The Bright Lights - Interpol
Debut - Bjork
Lost Souls - Doves
Surfer Rosa/Come on Pilgrim - Pixies(Depends on whether you count Pilgrim as full album)

Steeplechase

pig on the wing wrote:

here goes
radiohead - pablo honey
arcade fire - funeral
smashing pumpkins - gish
killers - hot fuss
clap your hands say yeah - s/t
beck - mellow gold
eh? eh?
?

This list makes me throw up into my mouth.

Steeplechase

Television - Marquee Moon

Pavement - Slanted And Enchanted

pig on the wing

Steeplechase wrote:

This list makes me throw up into my mouth.

i'm pretty sure everyone else is happy with that list.

also, add to it surfer rosa.

Mushy

Pearl Jam - Ten
The Strokes - Is This It?
QOTSA - QOTSA
Muse - Showbiz
Pixies - Surfer Rosa (dont consider Come on Pilgrim a full album. but its inc. in this anyway)
Nine Black Alps - Everything Is
Velvet Revolver - Contraband
Alice in Chains - Facelift
Smashing Pumpkins - Gish

EDIT: Surprised nobody has said Arctic monkeys yet.

Pighead

Arctic Monkeys.

Pighead

Suede: Suede
Damien Rice:O
Belly: Star
Muse:Showbiz
Air:Moon Safari
Sean Farrell:Sean Farrell

Bateman

Generation Terrorists
Definitely Maybe
Movement (New Order)
The Stone Roses

Attractive Nun

The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
Pixies - Surfer Rosa
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
The Arcade Fire - Funeral
DJ Shadow - ...Endtroducing

There are probably dozens more, but I think like everybody I've just started naming debut albums I like. I'll choose Slanted & Enchanted as my number 1, anyway.

SligoBrewer

Arctic Monkeys -whatever people say i am..
Kasabian- Kasabian
Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
Damien Rice - O
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
The Fratellis - Costello Music

Kaiser Chiefs - Employment
The Strokes - Is This It
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
also Director - We Thrive On Big Cities


.......mouthwatering:p

JC 2K3

Steeplechase wrote:

This list makes me throw up into my mouth.

Ditto.

And PaTGoD is Pink Floyd's best album IMO.

JC 2K3

Mushy wrote:

Pearl Jam - Ten
The Strokes - Is This It?
QOTSA - QOTSA
Muse - Showbiz
Pixies - Surfer Rosa (dont consider Come on Pilgrim a full album. but its inc. in this anyway)
Nine Black Alps - Everything Is
Velvet Revolver - Contraband
Alice in Chains - Facelift
Smashing Pumpkins - Gish

EDIT: Surprised nobody has said Arctic monkeys yet.

lol, in fairness if you're going to say VR you might as well say Appetite by GNR, but neither are really Alt/Indie now are they?

pig on the wing

don't mind the alt/indie tag...the only reason i put this in here stead of the music>music forum is because people in here are the most conscious of their own top lists. ie they know their own top 10s of favourite songs, artists, debuts. so don't limit your lists to alt.indie albums.

JC 2K3 wrote:

Ditto.
And PaTGoD is Pink Floyd's best album IMO.

look, every album on that list has been praised by critics, so your opinions aren't justified. now i don't base my music tastes strictly on critical opinion, but the large majority of the albums i own ARE highly rated.
as for piper, that is extremely debatable...

additions to m'list
kings of leon - youth n young manhood
modest mouse - this is a long drive...

Mushy

JC 2K3 wrote:

lol, in fairness if you're going to say VR you might as well say Appetite by GNR, but neither are really Alt/Indie now are they?

FAir 'nuf. Add GNR's Appetite in there, thats a great album.

And I cant believe I for got it earlier.......................................












Metallica - Kill'Em All

Lunar Junkie

Steeplechase wrote:

Television - Marquee Moon

YES! I think this is my favourite debut too, and possibly my favourite rock album ever.

JC 2K3

pig on the wing wrote:

look, every album on that list has been praised by critics, so your opinions aren't justified. now i don't base my music tastes strictly on critical opinion, but the large majority of the albums i own ARE highly rated.

My opinions aren't justified because some critics think that these are good albums? What critics btw? You do know many magazines/critics are paid by record labels to rate their albums highly? Also critics opinions vary hugely. Let's take Hot Fuss by the Killers for example. Pitchfork gives it 5.2/10, allmusic gives it 3/5 and Rolling Stone gives it 3.5/5. Looking at that info it would suggest that your opinion that that was one of the best debut albums ever wasn't justified based on critical opinion.

pig on the wing wrote:

as for piper, that is extremely debatable...

In terms of being their best album, indeed it is debatable.
As for whether Piper is an extremely significant psychedelic album and one of Pink Floyd's best contributions to music, I don't think that's very debatable at all. It's nowhere near Floyd's worst.

pig on the wing wrote:

don't mind the alt/indie tag...the only reason i put this in here stead of the music>music forum is because people in here are the most conscious of their own top lists. ie they know their own top 10s of favourite songs, artists, debuts. so don't limit your lists to alt.indie albums.

Fair enough, *adds Appetite for Destruction to list.

Also, I've just remembered Damaged by Black Flag, how could I forget that??

and The Velvet Underground and Nico, can't forget that.

Mushy

Also, I've just remembered Damaged by Black Flag, how could I forget that??

What are Black Flag like? Iv heard the name a lot, and they seem like a band that I might like.

pig on the wing

JC 2K3 wrote:

My opinions aren't justified because some critics think that these are good albums? What critics btw? You do know many magazines/critics are paid by record labels to rate their albums highly? Also critics opinions vary hugely. Let's take Hot Fuss by the Killers for example. Pitchfork gives it 5.2/10, allmusic gives it 3/5 and Rolling Stone gives it 3.5/5. Looking at that info it would suggest that your opinion that that was one of the best debut albums ever wasn't justified based on critical opinion.

hot fuss is the scapegoat in that list... and earning more than 50% of the marks from those three sources is a decent result, imo. and i like it, but am gracefully removing it from the list. i suppose it is amongst the bottom debuts on my itunes. i still stand by the reast of my list though.

i don't like psychedelia, and hence don't like barrett or piper. i prefer their prog rock later stuff, the albums sans syd - the wall dark side, animals wish you were here are my faves.

JC 2K3

Mushy wrote:

What are Black Flag like? Iv heard the name a lot, and they seem like a band that I might like.

It's American punk rock, very influential, especially on the creation of hardcore punk. I haven't heard anything besides Damaged, but it is a classic album. Their songs are amusing and light hearted, but sometimes with more serious themes behind them. They make use of dissonance and atonality, especially in their noisy solos. You should definately check them out.

pig on the wing wrote:

hot fuss is the scapegoat in that list... and earning more than 50% of the marks from those three sources is a decent result, imo. and i like it, but am gracefully removing it from the list. i suppose it is amongst the bottom debuts on my itunes. i still stand by the reast of my list though.

Why remove it because critics don't like it? Why do critical opinions matter to you so much?

pig on the wing wrote:

i don't like psychedelia, and hence don't like barrett or piper. i prefer their prog rock later stuff, the albums sans syd - the wall dark side, animals wish you were here are my faves.

I'm afraid critics like psychedelia and Piper has achieved numerous 10/10 and 5/5 reviews from many critics, therefore your opinion isn't justified. :rolleyes:

(btw, the later Pink Floyd albums were very much psychedelic, Barret's work was more the nonsensical aspect of psychedelia whereas the later stuff was seemingly more "thoughtful" or something).

eoinf

defo maybe by oasis nuff said.

debate over

John

Mushy wrote:

What are Black Flag like? Iv heard the name a lot, and they seem like a band that I might like.

Like a hard punch to the face made music. They're really excellent, the aforementioned Damaged is essential and my personal favourite is My War. Pretty much every album is a lesson in how to rock with no frills and no bull****. The only problem is their CDs seem to be pretty expensive. If you're cool you'll buy them on vinyl though

And can we please have less of the "Is Alt/Indie" genre talk please? We've always been open on this forum and anything that is obviously better served in Rock/Metal or whatever will be moved there by me where appropriate.

Xavi6

Oasis, Killers, Arcade Fire etc already mentioned but here's a few more I like:

Stereophonics - Word Gets Around
Idlewild - Hope Is Important
JJ72 - JJ72
Ash - 1977

Earthhorse

pig on the wing wrote:

beck - mellow gold

Sorry to be fussy but Beck had two or three albums out before Mellow Gold.

Ghost Train

Maybe fits under alternative
Third Eye Blind 3eb

Miguel_Sanchez

Tindersticks
Television - Marquee Moon
Pixies - SurferRosa
Talking Heads - 77
Micah P Hinson and the Gospel of Progress
Postal Service
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Stone Roses
The Strokes - Is This It?

and my favourite album of all time...

Van Morrison - Astral Weeks

Colonel Kurtz

Velvet Underground - VU & Nico
Television - Marquee Moon
Roxy Music - Roxy Music
Wire - Pink Flag
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
Pixies - Surfer Rosa
Sugar - Copper Blue
Tom Waits - Closing Time
Brian Eno - Here Come the Warm Jets
Can - Monster Movie

watsgone

Director- we thrive on big citys
royseven- the art of insencirtiy (spelling)
Damien Rice- O

JC 2K3

Colonel Kurtz wrote:

Roxy Music - Roxy Music

Forgot that too, Remake/Remodel is one of my favourite songs of all time!

Colonel Kurtz

JC 2K3 wrote:

Forgot that too, Remake/Remodel is one of my favourite songs of all time!

Amazing tune. Over 30 years later, it still sounds like something from another solar system

pig on the wing

Earthhorse wrote:

Sorry to be fussy but Beck had two or three albums out before Mellow Gold.

wiki says: "Mellow Gold is Beck's major label debut, and despite previous low-fi recordings, is considered his first official album." i agree.

JC 2K3 wrote:

Why remove it because critics don't like it? Why do critical opinions matter to you so much?

i remove it because i realize it's not a good enough debut to be included on my list. end of story.

I'm afraid critics like psychedelia and Piper has achieved numerous 10/10 and 5/5 reviews from many critics, therefore your opinion isn't justified. :rolleyes:
(btw, the later Pink Floyd albums were very much psychedelic, Barret's work was more the nonsensical aspect of psychedelia whereas the later stuff was seemingly more "thoughtful" or something).

goddamn you, i keep telling you that the only reason i dislike piper is because I hate psychedelia... i swear this is the third time i've said that in this thread. critics have nothing to do with it.
and i totally disagree about later records...the four records i mentioned from the 70s - wywh, dsotm, the wall, and animals, have very little or no elements of psych in them.

Pighead

pig on the wing wrote:

here goes
radiohead - pablo honey

For a man so obsessed with critical opinion I'm surprised you mention Pablo Honey as a great debut. It was generally panned by critics and music buyers at the time. In fact but for the re-release of Creep the album would have died a death. Average album at best, and even the band themselves would admit that.

JC 2K3

pig on the wing wrote:

goddamn you, i keep telling you that the only reason i dislike piper is because I hate psychedelia... i swear this is the third time i've said that in this thread. critics have nothing to do with it.

You said my opinion on your list wasn't justified because critics thought differently.

pig on the wing wrote:

and i totally disagree about later records...the four records i mentioned from the 70s - wywh, dsotm, the wall, and animals, have very little or no elements of psych in them.

What do you understand to be psychedelic rock? They're very different to Piper, but it doesn't mean they're not psychedelic rock. You hear much more reference to DSotM being associated with LSD and other psychedelic drugs than Piper(Despite the fact no one in Floyd but Barrett took drugs). For example check out this link and see how all of those albums you've listed are listed as "essential psychedelic/space rock albums" : http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=15

pig on the wing

JC 2K3 wrote:

What do you understand to be psychedelic rock? They're very different to Piper, but it doesn't mean they're not psychedelic rock. You hear much more reference to DSotM being associated with LSD and other psychedelic drugs than Piper(Despite the fact no one in Floyd but Barrett took drugs). For example check out this link and see how all of those albums you've listed are listed as "essential psychedelic/space rock albums" : http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=15

look, imo, those albums are prog rock and nothing more. psychedilia, for me is stuff like piper, like alan's psychedelic breakfast, like i am the walrus. stuff you might hear when you're high, overworked sound collages, like animal collective's infant dressing table, stuff close to nails on a blakckboard, but not quite there yet. dark side of the moon is LEANING towards that. slightly.
i still don't recognize the 70s records as psych.

Googe

Its all about personal preference so stop the silly bickering.

My personal favourite debuts-

Queens Of The Stone Age - Queens Of The Stone age
Dj Shadow - Endtroducing
Arcade Fire - Funeral
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy
The White Stripes - The White Stripes
Joy Division - Unkown Pleasures
The Strokes - Is This it

im sure theres a few i've forgotten though

nlgbbbblth

We've been here before but Surfer Rosa is the Pixies SECOND album.

Come On Pilgrim

- was reviewed in the album section of NME, Melody Maker and Sounds
- featured in the (independent) album charts
- sold for album prices (IEP £8.99 in Virgin Megastore in 1987)
- has eight songs

Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans and Godspeed's Skinny Fists have only four tracks and have never had their album status called into question.

gustavo

GNR
Oasis
Arctic Monkeys
jj72

mickith

oasis
arctic monkeys
the zutons
the strokes

Nimrod's Son

My two cents:
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Pixies - Come On Pilgrim (/Surfer Rosa if you wanna be picky)
Arcade Fire - Funeral
Leftfield - Leftism
Super Furry Animals - Fuzzy Logic
The Rakes - Capture/Release
Kasabian - Kasabian
The Killers - Hot Fuss (I think you'd have to have something wrong with you to not think that's a great album)
The Strokes - Is This It
Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour Of Bewilderbeast
Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country
Daft Punk - Homework

Garret

Nimrod's Son wrote:

The Killers - Hot Fuss (I think you'd have to have something wrong with you to not think that's a great album)

its a good album

but not great

JC 2K3

Apparently I have something wrong with me.....

:eek:

biZrb

Nimrod's Son wrote:

Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country

Thats not a debut, i think its their thrid album.

Surprised no-ones mentioned the Ramones or Jeff Buckley

ball ox

Stone Roses