Shilpa

tinkerbell

Saw this on Digital Spy:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=514114

Anyone see this on the live feed? It's totally disgraceful how they are treating Shilpa

kittenkiller

What?
That's disgraceful!
You can almost hear the braincells hitting off each other like half a dozen marbles in a bowling ball!

tinkerbell

Yah I only just read it now on Digital Spy (I didn't actually see it). Feckin' disgraceful it is.

irish_bob

miss piggy = jade . numb nuts = boyfriend jack , pauline fowler = yer one from s club 7 , and tits for brains = danielle
thier like a gaggle of geese or is it a covern of witches
as carol said earlier when telling shilpa that jades mom jackie resents her because the underclass abhors someone with as much beauty sophistication and style as shilpa , they feel threatend by them
unfortunatly due to the fact that the big brother fanbase is overwhelmingly chavy
it will not have the slightest affect on theese morons with the voting public
shilpa has as much chance of winning as jade has of being able to pronounce the word influential
jade could win the thing and daniell probably will , this might seem hard to fathom but trust me ppl , you will never go broke when appealing to the lowest common denominator

as for the men , what a bunch of chickeny ****s , dirk is completly withdrawn into himself , if he loves shilpa so much , how come he doesnt stand up for her
jermaine , well hes a jackson so how normal can he be , as weve seen , hes normal compared to his bro michael but then again everything is relative
H , what a tosser and a fake, its not that the guy is as bent as a 9 bob note
ive nothing against that , but hes such a brown nose , even the one whos ass hes kissing is a trash queen like jade, the guy is such a fence sitter
the whole thing is very distastefull at this stage , with the treatment of shilpa

magnumlady

I saw it on the live feed, totally disgusting. Shilpa should walk out.

Heraldoffreeent

Are Shilpa and Jermaine up for eviction?

Kingsize

I really hope this is the ruination of Jade's "Career" But as someone pointed out on another thread She is the Scumbag queen of Britain & hence has the support
of Hordes of dumb British scumbags.
Danielle reminds me of a schoolkid who is nice as pie when mummy is around & a C_NT in the playground.
Shes hanging out with jade & thinking of the ££££ & how often she'll be asked to flash her knockers in NUTS magazine.
Jo i didn't think was too bad but its worth pointing out that she gave up being the talented one in sclub 7 to be a Bulldog breeder???(or something)
pack of KUNTS.
H is just too scared of the bitches,Dirk cant even engage in a normal coversation cos he seems to have trouble understanding the CHAVVY accents.
Jermaine is too timid & Cleo is doing her best.
I cant help thinking that Donny (twat that he was) or Ken mightve stood up to themjust for a bit of anti-jade aggro.

CherieAmour

Agreed agreed agreed people!

However, the word on Big Mouth seems to be totally against Jade and her cronies - I haven't heard anyone stand up for them except for that Sezer muppet who was harping on on BBC 24 last night about how they are editing and manipulating what the public see - but if that was the case surely they'd be trying to cover up the bullying. They say no publicity is bad publicity but in this case I don't think this applies.

What we don't see on BBC or Big Mouth are the tonnes of chavvy spectators populating Britian who will vote to keep in the likes of Jade, Danielle and Jo in. Jade was always a scum bag but it could have gone well for Jo and Danielle at the start with the image they were projecting but you can't hide the true you for long in that house as we saw only too well with Leo Sayer!!

The show was a crock from the start and now it's like being a fly on the wall during a 4th class primary school lunch break.

Let's see the downtrodden succeed for once and the instigators punished!

SHILPA TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

thewing

I hope she wins, she's a lady, she's stunning and she's handling herself very well....i'd have gone postal on those mindless muppets a week ago...did I mention she's a roide?

Mrs_Doyle

Ok, so I haven't seen the footage you're talking about, and that link doesn't go anywhere anymore... but thought I would throw in my tuppence worth anyhow.

To be totally honest, I don't like Shilpa.
I think that she is very vain, very snobbish, very patronising and extremely attention seeking.

It drives me crazy when she acts like a innocent child, asking Jermaine and Dirk 'why don't they like me?'.
She is 31 years old, she was offish and snobbish from the beginning, she believed herself to be superior to Jade and Danielle from the moment she met them and that came across in the way she spoke to them, about them (in the diary room), and the way she looked at them, disapprovingly, without saying anything at all.

Jade and Danielle are not the sharpest tools in the box, rather then prove her wrong by showing themselves as intelligent and classy, they proved her right, by being brash, loud and common.

BUT (before someone murders me) I don't think she deserves to be treated as she is being treated by the girls.

AND, for what its worth, I don't think the girls are racist. I think they are bitches, and bullies, but I honestly don't think Shilpa's race comes into it.

They don't like her and will slag off everything about her, and if that means saying something that isn't P.C then so be it.

Ignorance and bitchiness is what we are looking at, in my opinion, not racism.

xzanti

irish_bob wrote:

miss piggy = jade . numb nuts = boyfriend jack , pauline fowler = yer one from s club 7 ,

I think you mean Pat Butcher...

CherieAmour

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

Ok, so I haven't seen the footage you're talking about .

Then can you really make an informed decision on all aspects of what people are saying...

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

AND, for what its worth, I don't think the girls are racist. I think they are bitches, and bullies, but I honestly don't think Shilpa's race comes into it..

All of the following things are racist. The definition of racism is:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language

Continuous mocking of her cooking to the point where it is stated that Indian's don't cook their food properly and that's why they're so skinny, it just runs through them.
Referring to someone as "The Indian" instead of her name (Jackie)
Calling her a dog (Danielle)
Talking about how they eat with their hands in India and worried about where Shilpa's hands had been before she prepared their dinner (Jo and Danielle)
Saying "everything she does just aggravates me" without reason (Jo)
Saying he "hates" her (Jack)
Telling her to pick bones and meat out of the toilet with her teeth which he helped her pour down (Jack)

...hate is a very strong word to use without any remote reason for feeling this way about someone. Such an unfounded dislike could totally be put down to a lack of understanding of someone's race or culture.

Also, it seems they are designing situations in which to pick on her. Her cooking supposedly gave them diahorrea (:rolleyes: ) yet they didn't step in to cook the next dinner. Instead they used the situation to mock her further from their thrones on the sofa.

Terry

CherieAmour wrote:

All of the following things are racist. The definition of racism is:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language

Continuous mocking of her cooking to the point where it is stated that Indian's don't cook their food properly and that's why they're so skinny, it just runs through them.

Not racist. just poor taste. (no pun intended)

Referring to someone as "The Indian" instead of her name (Jackie)

She is Indian. Would it be racist to refer to Dirk as "The American"?

Accusing her of wanting to be white because she is bleaching facial hair (Danielle)

Didn't happen.

Calling her a dog (Danielle)

How is that even remotely racist?

Talking about how they eat with their hands in India and worried about where Shilpa's hands had been before she prepared their dinner (Jo and Danielle)

Danielle asked if it was Indian or Chinese people who eat with their hands. Not racism, just ignorance and idiocy.

Saying "everything she does just aggravates me" without reason (Jo)

Yeah, because hating someone who isn't the same race as you is racism. right?
no. it's wrong, Jo is allowed to be aggrivated by someone and their race shouldn't come into it.

Saying he "hates" her (Jack)

This is really stretching it.

Telling her to pick bones and meat out of the toilet with her teeth which he helped her pour down (Jack)

that's just him being a scumbag and nothing else.

...hate is a very strong word to use without any remote reason for feeling this way about someone. Such an unfounded dislike could totally be put down to a lack of understanding of someone's race or culture.

it couold also be put down to the fact that they really don't like her.

Also, it seems they are designing situations in which to pick on her. Her cooking supposedly gave them diahorrea (:rolleyes: ) yet they didn't step in to cook the next dinner. Instead they used the situation to mock her further from their thrones on the sofa.

They are racists and bullys

i suggest you look back at your evidence and reconsider your own definition of racism.
Danielle, Jo, Jack and Jade may be idiots and complete chavs, but they are not racist.
at the end of the day, Shilpa comes out the other end looking like a lady.

Mrs_Doyle

CherieAmour wrote:

Then can you really make an informed decision on all aspects of what people are saying...

Didn't want to start a new thread just to voice my opinion

Continuous mocking of her cooking to the point where it is stated that Indian's don't cook their food properly and that's why they're so skinny, it just runs through them.

This isn't racist, it is just completely ignorant and stupid.

Referring to someone as "The Indian" instead of her name (Jackie)

She wanted to wind Shilpa up, she succeeded. It's no different to calling Danielle 'the scouse girl'.

Accusing her of wanting to be white because she is bleaching facial hair (Danielle)

I watched that live feed and never heard Danielle say this.

Calling her a dog (Danielle)

How is this racist?

Talking about how they eat with their hands in India and worried about where Shilpa's hands had been before she prepared their dinner (Jo and Danielle)

Well Shilpa put her hands onto someone else's plate and touched their food. I would want to know where her hands had been too. That's just bad manners.

Saying "everything she does just aggravates me" without reason (Jo)

Maybe everything she does DOES just aggravate her. She doesn't like Shipla at all, she doesn't like being around her. This is not racist.

Saying he "hates" her (Jack)

Very childish thing to say. Shows ignorance, not racism

Telling her to pick bones and meat out of the toilet with her teeth which he helped her pour down (Jack)

Very childish thing to say. Shows ignorance, not racism.

Also, it seems they are designing situations in which to pick on her. Her cooking supposedly gave them diahorrea (:rolleyes: ) yet they didn't step in to cook the next dinner. Instead they used the situation to mock her further from their thrones on the sofa.

They are racists and bullys

They are bullies, they are stupid, but I don't think they are racist.

Carcharodon

Ah come on Sherie love, not racist at all, extremely nasty and horrible - yes but racist - no. They are just stupid ignorent people people that live in a bubble and dont understand anyone elses culture at all.
I see where people are coming from and have a point maybe but you have to look at the so called racists, they are just thick and nasty.
We would all be classified as racists by your definition, its just ignorence and stupidity most of the time, probably too harsh to label them as racists, but feel free to call them anything else

SprostonGreen

I said earlier that I believe it to be nasty and bullying but not necessarliy racist.

Rancid Pigface Goody told Jermaine that she is mixed race and indeed will use this to dismiss the racist allegation when she leaves the house, likewise Jo S Club is best mates with Bradley S Club.

Lets just called blatant bullying and tackle that.

Then deep fry Rancid Pigface Goody.

CherieAmour

I stick by all of my points so it appears that we will all have to agree to differ then, as I am sure you will agree, I'm not the only one who believes there is racism involved here and you are not the only ones who believe there isn't. <As I read the point regarding the facial hair discussion on another forum I have removed it as it is the only thing I didn't witness myself and therefore cannot stand by it>

Racism and the definition of it is a grey area which is probably why there is so much debate about whether the show should be pulled on these grounds or not.

Remember, it was the racist element of it that was raised in the House of Commons.

I guess the whole argument is centered around whether their diabolical behaviour towards her is based on race or character or both.



I'm not condoning anyone else's racist comments either, by the by, which I have heard mentioned in the house...

SprostonGreen

CherieAmour wrote:

Well it appears that we will all have to agree to differ then, as I am sure you will agree, I'm not the only one who believes there is racism involved here and you are not the only ones who believe there isn't.

Racism and the definition of it is a grey area which is probably why there is so much debate about whether the show should be pulled or not.

It was the racist element that was raised in the House of Commons, not bullying though I do agree that that is also playing a major part.

It has to be said that they are sailing very close to wind and it bordering on racism. Its just that the race card gets called so often, it can be devalued a bit.

Flukey

Big Bigot they are calling it now. They can't even get their racism right, calling her a Paki, when she is actually from India. It shows the level of intelligence of people that are on it, but then what more would you expect of a show of this kind? That is why I would never watch it. Now, for a much higher level of entertainment and excitement, does anyone know where there is some wet paint that I can watch drying?

r3nu4l

Yep, it's not racist, it's simply stupidity and bullying!

I agree with Mrs. Doyle in that I find Shilpa annoying but I would stand up for anyone who was being bullied.

The first person to mention race in the house was Jermaine Jackson talking about him and Shilpa being the only perole of colour in the house. He has mentioned this a few times.

The house of commons have mentioned race because Britain is becoming very like America - everything is about race over here. I'm Irish and have experienced a number of anti-Irish racist remarks, comments and taunts and I'm not the only one.

What's happening to Shilpa isn't even covert racism, it's a bunch of ignorant, ill-educated, socially-lacking idiots ganging up on another girl.

BuffyBot

It was the racist element that was raised in the House of Commons

Ever hear of the phrase "jumping on the bandwagon"? That's all this "racism" stuff is. It's like some kind of alchemy, converting ignorance and stupidity into claims of "racism" which is then being lapped up by media outlets who polish it up and report it further which in turn makes it even more news worthy, creating a self-fufilling publicity storm.

BaZmO*

Christ Almighty!! What is it with these programmes that make people over react? :rolleyes:

It's not racism, it's ignorance and bullying. Jade Goody was in the diary room the other night asking if Eskimos were real people FFS!! And her tool of a boyfriend didn't know what an Embryo was, asking "What's an Enfreeo?" :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is, a 31 one year old adult (yeah that's right, ADULT) is being picked on by a group of chavvy skanks on a reality tv show. Granted it's not nice to see, (someone being bullied never is), but if Shilpa had a real problem with it she could leave the show whenever she wanted to.

People always seem to forget that with these type of reality shows the contestants are there purely for personal gain. It's amazing that over 10,000 have complained by email about "racist behaviour" to the producers of the show.

There are a lot more serious issues in the world to be complaining about rather than the treatment of a contestant of a reality tv show FFS!

SprostonGreen

Flukey wrote:

Big Bigot they are calling it now. They can't even get their racism right, calling her a Paki, when she is actually from India. It shows the level of intelligence of people that are on it, but then what more would you expect of a show of this kind? That is why I would never watch it. Now, for a much higher level of entertainment and excitement, does anyone know where there is some wet paint that I can watch drying?

Well that word is a catch-all for that region. And there is an anti-BB thread for the rest of your remarks.

CherieAmour

Flukey wrote:

Big Bigot they are calling it now. They can't even get their racism right, calling her a Paki, when she is actually from India. It shows the level of intelligence of people that are on it, but then what more would you expect of a show of this kind? That is why I would never watch it. Now, for a much higher level of entertainment and excitement, does anyone know where there is some wet paint that I can watch drying?

If you don't watch it how do you know these things and why are you browsing around and posting in the Big Brother Forum?

CherieAmour

BaZmO* wrote:

Ch
There are a lot more serious issues in the world to be complaining about rather than the treatment of a contestant of a reality tv show FFS!

I agree but perhaps their behaviour towards her is a sign of what is going on out there

Flukey

CherieAmour wrote:

If you don't watch it how do you know these things and why are you browsing around and posting in the Big Brother Forum?

I know about it because it is all over the media. I came in here to post because when I arrived on Boards, it was on the list of most recents posts on the entry page. We all post on threads about subjects that we may have no direct knowledge of.

Well that word is a catch-all for that region.

Well no it isn't actually, for anyone with a bit of intelligence. It is like the Irish being called British or the Germans being called Spanish. There is a very big difference between India and Pakistan. Even then, the correct word should be Pakistani. As Cherieamour says, this lack of basic knowledge and this blatant racism is a sign of what is going on out there.

SprostonGreen

Flukey wrote:

Well no it isn't actually, for anyone with a bit of intelligence. It is like the Irish being called British or the Germans being called Spanish. There is a very big difference between India and Pakistan. Even then, the correct word should be Pakistani. As Cherieamour says, this lack of basic knowledge and this blatant racism is a sign of what is going on out there.

Maybe I should have made myself clearer, that might be the lack of intelligence:rolleyes: The word "paki" is a derisory catch-all term for the entire sub-continent, so someone could be quite happy using that word for people from India, Pakistan or Bangladesh or even Southall, West London.

Killaqueen!!!

CherieAmour wrote:

I stick by all of my points so it appears that we will all have to agree to differ then, as I am sure you will agree, I'm not the only one who believes there is racism involved here and you are not the only ones who believe there isn't. <As I read the point regarding the facial hair discussion on another forum I have removed it as it is the only thing I didn't witness myself and therefore cannot stand by it>

Racism and the definition of it is a grey area which is probably why there is so much debate about whether the show should be pulled on these grounds or not.

Remember, it was the racist element of it that was raised in the House of Commons.

I guess the whole argument is centered around whether their diabolical behaviour towards her is based on race or character or both.



I'm not condoning anyone else's racist comments either, by the by, which I have heard mentioned in the house...

Em...I don't want to start a fight or anything but 2 people have proved your points ridiculous. They are not being racist at all. Why you are being so sensitive to the matter actual annoys me in fact, as you are obviously outraged by their behaviour to Shilpa simply because she is Indian. If she was a normal chav like Jade, and everyone was being horrible you wouldn't be so outraged. I'm sorry but none of the points you made are because of racism.

Anyway, I agree with Mrs Doyle. I don't like Shilpa because she's very snobby and everytime I turn on BB the only thing she does is look for attention and moan to Jermaine "Why don't they like me? Why don't they like me?" it gets annoying.

(Exactly the same as Mrs Doyle's post, I know...)

I do however think that how they are treating her is unfair. She's nice when she's not being so patronising and annoying and she doesn't deserve the treatment she's getting. She should walk out.

SprostonGreen

It appears Danielle has finally realised that this may look bad on the outside.

CherieAmour

Killaqueen!!! wrote:

Em...I don't want to start a fight or anything but 2 people have proved your points ridiculous. .

So what your saying is that you cannot have a different opinion to other people on here and by virtue of the fact that there are 2 of them and 1 of me means my opinions are 'ridiculous'. The whole of Britian is divided over race issues at this current time. Should we ignore and discredit one side because the other thinks they're right? Not very mature or productive.

Killaqueen!!! wrote:

They are not being racist at all. .

In your opinion. There are 16,000 people, some of whom feel it is a race issue and that felt strongly enough about it to lodge a complaint.

Why you are being so sensitive to the matter actual annoys me in fact, as you are obviously outraged by their behaviour to Shilpa simply because she is Indian. If she was a normal chav like Jade, and everyone was being horrible you wouldn't be so outraged. I'm sorry but none of the points you made are because of racism. .

I am outraged because it is the bullying that is the surface symptom. I have known people that were bullied badly and wouldn't wish it upon anyone. For this reason it offends me that you have described the level of my concern about another human being, on a reality show or otherwise, as "annoying". How can you make the statment that I "wouldn't be so outraged" if she was, what you call a "normal chav"?

If you actually read my post you would understand that I am aware of and disgusted by the bullying but am questioning the root of it - dislike of Shilpa as a person or race related, that is all. There are 2 possibilities not 1 as you are accusing me of flouting.

Okay, enough people have said they don't agree with me now, I get it. I can and will still have my own opinion and you can have yours.

irish_bob

a few points 1st , this thing seems to have turned into a diplomatic incident between the uk and india which is really over the top
while shilpa is being treated appalingly by a bunch of white trash low lifes
apart from jades boyfriend jack referring to shilpa as a paki
thier have been no directly or indirectly made explicit racists comments and i agree that the racist card is played all to often theese days
i watched a programme at 8 pm on chanell 4 the other night about how a guy went undercover at a birmingham mosque for 6 months, what he encounterd there was not only racism , its was terrorism , i saw nothing on the news about that or heard anything about arrests being made

however , thier are a number of things that do bother me about this whole ugly spectacle in the big brother house and how different people percieve , defend and justify it
i heard an old lady on the radio not long ago say that thier are no young ladys any longer in ireland , while this is quite likely the case, it is not the case in countrys like india
shilpa is accused repeatedly in here by people for being snobbish and stuck up and that this is the reason for her bullying
what theese people see as snobisness , i see as refinement , class , self respect , femininity and above all dignity
due to the likes of jade goody who is an extreme example or even previous big brother winners like kate lawlor who is a pretty nice girl but is a ladette ,
not a lady , this kind of young woman is regarded as the norm
young women who are lady like are sneered at , much better to get your tits out and aspire to be on the cover of loaded than to be a shilpa type charechter
in the uk and to a degree ireland , the culture is entirely different to india
shilpa would be more than likely not especially lady like over there
while in earlier posts , i said that the underclass like jade , her mom and the other 3 nit wits cannot deal with someone as classy as shilpa
now im not so sure , i think its is possibly a much broader social group in the uk and ireland who see someone with as much feminine charm as shilpa

the claim that shilpa is a snob or that shes stand offish is baffling to me
would someone who is a snob do all the cooking , not only is she a stunningly beautifull woman but she is quite the gourmet
i think im actually in love with the woman and im sure im not alone

to reiterate , i think the racism line is at this stage being over blown but thiers one thing we need to keep in mind
shilpa and the rest of them of course are completly ignorant of the storm that has blown up over thier so none of this shilpa gets too look like a saint due to the demonisation of the 3 hags and numb nuts jack
its neither shilpas fault that they are threatend by her class , nor is it shilpas fault that the media has gone to town on the issue either

SHILPA TO WIN

BaZmO*

CherieAmour wrote:

I am aware of and disgusted by the bullying but am questioning the root of it - dislike of Shilpa as a person or race related, that is all.

The root of the bullying is not race related it's class related. Chavs vs. Lady. Didn't Jade have big arguments with Ken too? Was that because of race? No. It was class related.

As someone has already said in this thread, the race card is used way too much in our "PC" world and as a result it loses it's potency when it's use is justified.

Another big factor is that women on the whole are b1tches, and before anyone starts, it's not always the case but in my experience women can be shockingly b1tchy at times especially when a pretty women is the object of their vitriol.



I wonder how many viewers Big Brother will get tonight? I betcha it's more than they've been getting for the last week or two.

Mrs_Doyle

BaZmO* wrote:

The root of the bullying is not race related it's class related

Exactly.

Flukey

SprostonGreen wrote:

Maybe I should have made myself clearer, that might be the lack of intelligence:rolleyes: The word "paki" is a derisory catch-all term for the entire sub-continent, so someone could be quite happy using that word for people from India, Pakistan or Bangladesh or even Southall, West London.

I know what they mean. Of course the fact they are "quite happy" to use a "derisory term" says a lot about them. Imagine the outrage if it was the other way round.

Also, I am sure some of the native English living in Southall would not be happy at being called a Paki.

Anyway we should not be paying this excuse for entertainment any attention at all, yet we have Tony Blair standing up in Westminster talking about it. At least he had not watched it. Apart from invading Iraq, it is one of the most stupid things he has done, up there with standing up in Westminster calling for the release of Deirdre in Coronation Street after she was sent to prison in the programme.

BaZmO*

Flukey wrote:

Apart from invading Iraq, it is one of the most stupid things he has done

How is it one of the most stupid things that he has done? He was asked a question in Parliment which he is obliged to answer. And as you've said yourself, he said that he didn't see the show in question.

Terry

I'm going to have to agree with the "Shilpa is a lady" remarks made above.
She had heldherself with complete class and dignity and will come out of this all the better for it.
Still not racism though.

Kingsize

Why isn't it racism? cos they haven't used the word N_igger ??at the moment it can be brushed off as bullying but they are sailing very close to it & i believe that their treatment of shilpa IS based on her being Indian.

If Victoria Beckham were in there & gave them manky chicken they'd all be laughing away with her & trying to lick her hole to win favour.

I believe Jade's only argument with Ken was over him eating cheese & pickle crackers during the "dont lift a finger the butler will do it all" task.
Nothing to do with class more to do with her worrying about not gettting a luxury budget to feed her fat arse.

I've also heard (unconfirmed at present but Maggot from GLC said it on sky news)that someone told Shilpa to go back to where she came from today- if its true then join the ****kking dots.

Racism happens as a result of this kind of ignorance,apparently we live in an educated & multicultural society & if someone in the public eye is too fukking lazy & self obsessed to care about offending people then they should not be given the time of day.

For all I know H from steps might be a member of the BNP but he's not doing anything to make me think that.

gimmick

Just to make the point that bullying and racist behaviour go very much hand in hand. What is happening may not be racist per se, but the root of it is because Shilpa is foreign.

kingsize wrote:

someone told Shilpa to go back to where she came from today- if its true then join the ****kking dots.

The Danielle one said that, and said that Shilpa cant speak the language properly!

Ghost Train

For me, there have been a few things said which have bordered on racism, but I wouldn't have gone so far as me complaining that it is racism, the sort of stupid jokes the girls and jack have made. Stuff thats bordering on being racism shouldn't be said, but its more somebody be ignorant and disrespectful. I think the bullying is more about the girls being jealous of the type of person shilpa is and feeling insecure around her, not about her being from india, like the anti bullying spokes person linked to above said^^

Danielle's exact words were "I think she should f*** off home", and that did sound like a racist comment. I do have a problem with that

Shilpas is being bullied for no good reason by jade and the other girls, she shouldn't have to change or do anything about it, the other girls(& jack) are in the wrong and hopefully will get what they deserve, karma being a bitch and all

edit: actually the antibullying thing link was on the other thread http://www.louiseburfittdons.com/speeches/speeches6.htm

CherieAmour

Just to make the point that bullying and racist behaviour go very much hand in hand. What is happening may not be racist per se, but the root of it is because Shilpa is foreign.

This is exactly what I was saying earlier. I think those of you that reckon it is also a class issue are dead right too. It's a combination of things. She is dignified, ladylike, full of respect for herself and others around her. She won't discuss sex and comes from a completely different cultural and familial backround - Jade & co just cannot understand this so one of them gets so bothered by it she just goes on a hate fuelled rant and the rest giggle like the idiots that they are.

Channel 4 are saying that until Shilpa herself declares it as racism, then it isn't and tonight, she did when sitting up in bed - so what are they going to do now? Also, seen as a lot of the sniggers and comments have occured behind Shilpa's back, how is she supposed to hear them in order to make a decision as to whether she is a victim of racism or not? We can see what is going on when she is not in the room, all she sees is Jade getting on her case and the others giggling.

I think the 3 girls AND JACK WHO EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN IN THIS WHOLE THING should be thrown out.

The fact is that everyone has differing opinions on what racism is. It's so hard to define that it is inevitable that disagreements occur - look at this forum alone. I'm well aware, however, of the racist card being pulled out too often and losing it's meaning - BUT does crying wolf mean that every case should be ignored because it's bound to be nothing?

I think tonight's outburst by Jade proves that she just absolutely abhorrs the woman for whatever reason. Shilpa's comment about her only having Big Brother for a career really struck a chord.

Finally, if Danielle saying " She should f*ck off home" isn't racism, well then I don't know what is.

This house is a microcosm of what people are suffering daily on the outside so it doesn't deserve any less attention - in fact highlighting this could do no end of good for anti-bullying campaigners and Shilpa could be a role model for people out there who are being bullied for whatever reason.

Terry

oh dear lord. my heart bleeds.

no, wait... it's actually my eyes that are bleeding.

kingsize wrote:

Why isn't it racism? cos they haven't used the word N_igger ??

that is the most ridiculous statement i have ever seen and i have made some really ridiculous statements in my time.

this is just jealousy on the part of the three girls and idiocy by the non-entity that is jades boyfriend.

Shilpa is a class act and has a larger audience than any of these no-hopers could ever imagine and they resent her for it. it has nothing to do with her background or the colour of her skin. it's just pure and utter resentment. also, she's far better looking than the rest of them which is also getting them riled up.

racism me bollix.

Carcharodon

Have changed my mind a bit now and think alot of their comments are very racist, although they are probably not racist people as in they would not actively view someone inferior beacuase of race, what they are saying has become very racist, but it is still probably more stupidity and ignorence more than anything else.
oh and Jack is a bad as the girls - knobhead

Julep is also probably right - they are jealous more than anything and feel inferior to Shilpa, hence the need to bully her

Washout

Im an irish born indian. And ive seen quite a few of her movies.

Im not a big brother viewer but have been following this saga. I cant believe that it makes the number 1 news story on sky news.

The two worst offenders of this whole saga are the 2 girls who always laugh when Jade goes off her head. by the sounds of it they are the worst kind of bullies...they rile Jade up completely when Shilpa is not around hem and then when she goes off on one they just sit their and laugh their heads off. and once they arguement is over they rile Jade up even more.

They do make alot of comments about Shilpas heritage and culture which are boderline racism but they have yet to cross the line.

I do think that the main reason for the trios actions are not to do with Shilpas race but it is hjust pure jealousy of her beauty and success.

as a side note did channel 4 decide for themselves to put jade and shilpa up for eviction or was their nominations?

Kingsize

julep wrote:

oh dear lord. my heart bleeds.

no, wait... it's actually my eyes that are bleeding.


that is the most ridiculous statement i have ever seen and i have made some really ridiculous statements in my time.

I have to admit I was taking the piss a little there but i wouldn't go so far as to say it's ridiculous, but it seems that using that word is the benchmark for Racist behavior these days.
What i really meant by this was Just how far does it have to go to prove to people that it is racist.????

What Danielle said was racist pure & simple - If she had've said it to Shilpa's face the producers would have no option but to send her packing.In fact i cant believe the little BI_ch is still there.

Compare this to Ron Atkinson's comments a few years ago an off the cuff comment among freinds which was racist & went out on national tv .
If his mic hadve been switched off we wouldnt have heard what he said , he still said it though ..

Perhaps you've never been in a foreign country & been told to fukk off back home,I have & it's not nice.

Also bear in mind that there might be a whole load of unseen footage not fit for broadcast,BB is one of the most censored shows on TV.

norbert64

Washout wrote:

as a side note did channel 4 decide for themselves to put jade and shilpa up for eviction or was their nominations?

I'm sure they probably would have, lol, but it actually turned out that way in the noms.
Jade, Dani, Jack, Jo & fence sitter Cleo (thinking in the girls best interests) voted for shilpa

Dirk, Shilpa, Jermaine, Ian, Cleo - > Jade

irish_bob

ive been saying for a while now that cleo is not only a fence sitter but shes also a phoney
this was confirmed last night when she nominated shillpa
she probably thinks that by nominating both shilpa and jade
the 2 persons at the centre of this controversy in the house , that she will be able to keep in everyones good books outside and thus increase her chances of voting
with big bro , the least controversial ones often end up winning
so its tactical with cleo , she has no career , she could use the win

BaZmO*

irish_bob wrote:

she probably thinks that by nominating both shilpa and jade
the 2 persons at the centre of this controversy in the house , that she will be able to keep in everyones good books outside and thus increase her chances of voting
with big bro , the least controversial ones often end up winning
so its tactical with cleo , she has no career , she could use the win

or... by voting for both of them it would mean that there's a better chance of the two of them being up together and therefore one of them would have to leave the house.