Spoofers in the premiership

patmac · 11-01-2007 12:14pm #1

Having watched a couple of matches lately I wanted to start a thread to 'out' spoofers (thanks to Eamonn Dunphy). These are essentially people who following the lead of Winston Bogarde who have signed long term contracts getting paid thousands per week and can't be arsed to make an effort, basically taken supporters hard earned cash and offering little in return. Two sprang to mind over the weekend Milan Barros and Jerzy Dudek I'm sure there is more out there, other possible candidates Shevchenko, Silvestre.

Xavi6 · 11-01-2007 12:17pm

How can you put Dudek into that? The guy got dropped for the season after he won the Champions League for Liverpool. I'd hardly call him a 'spoofer'.

Nalz · 11-01-2007 12:18pm

I dont think your other two candidates fit the bill either.

sundula · 11-01-2007 12:23pm

I think the Bogarde case is a case in the extreme. There are not many siuations that fall into his league, due to this you may very well call him a "spoofer" but there is a unique set of circumstances. However i dont think some of the others you mentioned could be put in the same boat.

eirebhoy · 11-01-2007 12:40pm

Hasselbaink most certainly is this season.

Nalz · 11-01-2007 12:45pm

eirebhoy wrote:

Hasselbaink most certainly is this season.

ah I dunno, maybe its an act but he seems to be trying on the field and getting rather upset when things dont go his way. What about Viduka and SWP?

sundula · 11-01-2007 12:49pm

eirebhoy wrote:

Hasselbaink most certainly is this season.

Unfair shout...

I wouldnt put him the Bogarde boat either. His record up until his transfer to Charlton has been good. His form could have more to do with the turmoil at club - Dowie Out, Reed Out and the midfield havent exactly being creating many chances.

eirebhoy · 11-01-2007 12:51pm

Trilla wrote:

ah I dunno, maybe its an act but he seems to be trying on the field and getting rather upset when things dont go his way. What about Viduka and SWP?

I mentioned JFH because he's a rich **** and chose the money of Charlton over silverware at Celtic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/5101904.stm

Nalz · 11-01-2007 12:52pm

eirebhoy wrote:

...over silverware at Celtic.

ah we're doing fine without him

sundula · 11-01-2007 12:53pm

Trilla wrote:

ah I dunno, maybe its an act but he seems to be trying on the field and getting rather upset when things dont go his way. What about Viduka and SWP?

Viduka seems to have patchy interest but when he turns up he plays hard. SWP tries hard but its not working out for him at Chelsea and I dont think thats all his fault. Its not like he is given many chances of any continuity. If he was offer another club I think he would job at the chance to leave. Seems to me that all he wants to do if plpay football.

patmac · 11-01-2007 1:05pm

OK Bogarde's is an extreme case but as for Dudek I think he wanted away and no one came in for him or matched his wages so why not stay and earn 000's he was dreadful against Arsenal. Shevchenko and Silvestre are just maybe overrated, but there doesn't seem to be many disagreeing about Barros. I'm looking for players who basically don't seem to be making much of an effort for their team but are quite happy to take the huge wages on offer.

Jivin Turkey · 11-01-2007 1:14pm

patmac wrote:

OK Bogarde's is an extreme case but as for Dudek I think he wanted away and no one came in for him or matched his wages so why not stay and earn 000's he was dreadful against Arsenal. Shevchenko and Silvestre are just maybe overrated, but there doesn't seem to be many disagreeing about Barros. I'm looking for players who basically don't seem to be making much of an effort for their team but are quite happy to take the huge wages on offer.

Baros has had a few injuries this year. As far as I remember he actually scored about 15 goals last year for a struggling Villa side. He's not done too bad.

Carson went out on loan and Kirkland was sold, so to be honest Dudek was hardly for sale seeing as there was only one other keeper at the club. He'll be gone in the Summer though.

I'm sure Shevchenko is as pissed with his form as any Chelsea fan. I'd say he'd give anything to be banging them in for them.

Silvestre just isn't good enough to hold down a place in the United first XI. And he's only really lost his place this season. It's got to do with ability not desire.

sundula · 11-01-2007 2:05pm

As Jivin Tukey said ..

There are small number of players who really fit the title "spoofers" - the only one who springs to mind is Thomas Brolin at Leeds.

Pighead · 11-01-2007 2:10pm

Ali Dia is surely King of the Spoofers. The fcuker claimed to be an international when in reality he would have found it hard pressed to get on my local pub team. Poor old Graham Souness was made look a mug over that debacle.

Nalz · 11-01-2007 2:12pm

sundula wrote:

As Jivin Tukey said ..
There are small number of players who really fit the title "spoofers" - the only one who springs to mind is Thomas Brolin at Leeds.

his partner Dahlin springs to mind too!

sundula · 11-01-2007 2:15pm

Trilla wrote:

his partner Dahlin springs to mind too!

Agreed

Pighead · 11-01-2007 2:17pm

Just looking up Ali Dia there and came across this list of top 10 Foreign Failures. Had forgotten about Harrys Howlers for West Ham. Radiciou and Dani indeed!
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/toptens/story/0,14034,1078421,00.html

_blank_ · 11-01-2007 2:20pm

Didn't Radiciou's time at West Ham make him a quiz answer though?

Nalz · 11-01-2007 2:21pm

Baliban for Villa, though we're kinda taking the thread down a slightly different route

Pighead · 11-01-2007 2:22pm

seansouth wrote:

Didn't Radiciou's time at West Ham make him a quiz answer though?

What was the question? Don't think I've heard this one.

RE*AC*TOR · 11-01-2007 2:22pm

Harry Kewell.

That is all.

Pighead · 11-01-2007 2:25pm

Trilla wrote:

Baliban for Villa, though we're kinda taking the thread down a slightly different route

"We're" meaning Pighead! Guilty as charged. Got a bit carried away in the land of Nostalgia. On Topic eh Reo Coker.

_blank_ · 11-01-2007 2:32pm

Name a player who has played in the top 5 leagues in Europe, I think.

It's a bit objective, I'll grant you that.

England, Italy, Spain, France and Germany are the ones, AFAIR.

edit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florin_R%C4%83ducioiu

Them's the countries alright.

patmac · 11-01-2007 3:45pm

Pighead wrote:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/toptens/story/0,14034,1078421,00.html

6 Brian Pinas

A member of a select group of players capable of inspiring an entry in The Sun Says by the power of their name alone - Stefan Kuntz, Celta Vigo's Turdo and Sparta Prague's Milan Fukal wait their turn - Dutch winger Pinas survived 12 months in Newcastle's reserves before returning, broken, to Feyenoord. Greeted on his arrival in August 1998 by the Sun's editorial ('Pity soccer star Brian Pinas. The first time a referee takes his name he'll get sent off for using foul language'),
LOL, You could add Raphael Shiite to that and this list as well. Radiciou wasn't the only Romanian who was an answer to a quiz question so waas Dan Petrescu now what was that question?
Back on topic what were the managers thinking of especially Graham and Soueness in regards to Dahlin and ali dhia.

sundula · 11-01-2007 4:08pm

patmac wrote:

Back on topic what were the managers thinking of especially Graham and Soueness in regards to Dahlin and ali dhia.

Roy Hodgeson signed Dahlin, it was well before Souness's time.

patmac · 11-01-2007 4:09pm

Apologies I meant Brolin.

_blank_ · 11-01-2007 4:16pm

patmac wrote:

Radiciou wasn't the only Romanian who was an answer to a quiz question so waas Dan Petrescu now what was that question?

What footballer looks like Fox Mulder?

patmac · 11-01-2007 4:23pm

What footballer has the same surname as a TV programme (Pet Rescue).

sundula · 11-01-2007 4:25pm

patmac wrote:

Apologies I meant Brolin.

George Graham has that honour i believe

patmac · 11-01-2007 4:31pm

sundula wrote:

George Graham has that honour i believe

What's in a name eh I said Graham and Soueness a strange coincedence!

sundula · 11-01-2007 4:38pm

Sorry, I thought you were give Graham(Graeme) Souness full credit for the Swedish Super stars.

Although if you could cross the football minds of Graham(george) and Souness one could only imagine what possible transfer targets the Hybrid Manager could identify.

gucci · 11-01-2007 4:44pm

u have to wonder how well some managers did out of making the big money deals for these spoofers!! mark bosnich at man utd is another one(although i think he was a free transfer?)!! but he seemed to really enjoy his spoof time!

Guy:Incognito · 11-01-2007 4:48pm

Baros isnt a spoofer, he does a lot of runnign and puts in the effort. He's just a poor player.

GuanYin · 11-01-2007 5:01pm

seansouth wrote:

What footballer looks like Fox Mulder?

Dan Petrescu.

On topic - Titus Bramble

Guy:Incognito · 11-01-2007 5:04pm

A lot of examples given here, Bramble, Hasselbaink etc do not fit the bill. Bramble for example, might not be a very good player, but that doesnt mean he's deliberately not putting in effort and playing badly. He's just not up to the standard and makes too many mistakes.

sundula · 11-01-2007 5:17pm

Stekelly wrote:

A lot of examples given here, Bramble, Hasselbaink etc do not fit the bill. Bramble for example, might not be a very good player, but that doesnt mean he's deliberately not putting in effort and playing badly. He's just not up to the standard and makes too many mistakes.

I agree, thats the point I was making earlier. This thread is looking for highly paid (arent they all) players who dont put in any effort and are clearly motivated by cash as oppose to poor players who demonstrate effort but lack ability.

Raskolnikov · 11-01-2007 5:33pm

It has to be the fat Ukrainian, Andriy Shevchenko this season.

Guy:Incognito · 11-01-2007 6:19pm

Raskolnikov wrote:

It has to be the fat Ukrainian, Andriy Shevchenko this season.

Hardly fat http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1597/andriyshevchenko3es.jpg

Plus again, he's not standing in the middle of the pitch doing nothing.

Pigman II · 11-01-2007 6:43pm

Andy O'Brien
Stephen Carr

Nunu · 11-01-2007 6:58pm

My number one choice would be Eric Djemba-Djemba. Although I have to be honest I'm not even sure he's at Villa anymore?

Also, based on undoubted talent I'd have to go for the following:

Franny Jeffers(Blackburn) - but, to be fair to him he has had a few injuries.

Dennis Rommedahl(Charlton): wasn't going to include him because he plays every week, but he never looks like he's trying given the almost unrivalled pace he has.

Gaizka Mendieta('Boro): has also had some injuries, but this guy was one of Europes best midfielders at Valencia. Now he's a 'boro reserve!

aidan24326 · 11-01-2007 7:00pm

Newcastle are surely the kings when it comes to getting lumped with these sort of wasters. Albert Luque anyone? On big money and doing funk all for it.

Come to think of it, I can't think what Duffer is doing to justify his hefty wages either. Not much that I can see. Maybe it's just a Newcastle thing. Don't know why DD went there, much as I don't like Liverpool, it would have been a better move for him if he went to Anfield.

But Harry Kewell has been (in the last couple of years) imo the prime example of a 'show me the money' footballer just going through the motions. Happy to sit in the stand nursing his broken fingernail while collecting probably 40K per week for his 'efforts'.

Zenden also springs to mind.

mike65 · 11-01-2007 7:15pm

Kewell has had septic arthritis infection and was lucky not to loose bits of his anatomy, his CL final injury was also a nasty one, so if you don't know don't speak.

Mike.

Chucky the tree · 11-01-2007 8:54pm

aidan24326 wrote:

Newcastle are surely the kings when it comes to getting lumped with these sort of wasters. Albert Luque anyone? On big money and doing funk all for it.

Come to think of it, I can't think what Duffer is doing to justify his hefty wages either. Not much that I can see. Maybe it's just a Newcastle thing. Don't know why DD went there, much as I don't like Liverpool, it would have been a better move for him if he went to Anfield.

But Harry Kewell has been (in the last couple of years) imo the prime example of a 'show me the money' footballer just going through the motions. Happy to sit in the stand nursing his broken fingernail while collecting probably 40K per week for his 'efforts'.

Zenden also springs to mind.

This has gone way over your head hasnt it?

pickarooney · 11-01-2007 9:08pm

Keiron "Absolutely" Dyer

Xavi6 · 11-01-2007 9:28pm

pickarooney wrote:

Keiron "Absolutely" Dyer

So because a guy has injury problems he's a spoofer? Come on will ya.

Xavi6 · 11-01-2007 9:30pm

pickarooney wrote:

Keiron "Absolutely" Dyer

So because a guy has injury problems he's a spoofer? Come on will ya. Dyer has been in great from lately and could be inline for an England call up.

Chucky the tree · 11-01-2007 9:31pm

what about salif diao? Chance to move to charlton(obviously has a big wage drop) but shock, horror he fails the medical.

On loan at stoke now, with Pool still paying his hefty wage.

JPA · 11-01-2007 9:56pm

I can't believe Ballack hasn't been mentioned.

Xavi6 · 11-01-2007 10:00pm

JPA wrote:

I can't believe Ballack hasn't been mentioned.

Why? Chelsea got a player who had proved himself in the Bundesliga, in Europe and on the international stage.

1998 Bundesliga.. Champions (FC Kaiserslautern)
2003 Bundesliga.. Champions (Bayern Munich)
2005 Bundesliga.. Champions (Bayern Munich)
2006 Bundesliga.. Champions (Bayern Munich)
2003 German Cup.. winner (Bayern Munich)
2005 German Cup.. winner (Bayern Munich)
2006 German Cup.. winner (Bayern Munich)
2002 World Cup Finalists (Germany)
2002 Champions League Finals (Bayer Leverkusen)
2002 Finaliste of la German Cup.. (Bayer Leverkusen)

Where's the spoof?

Oh yeah, and he was free.

JPA · 11-01-2007 10:08pm

Xavi6 wrote:

Why? Chelsea got a player who had proved himself in the Bundesliga, in Europe and on the international stage.

1998 Bundesliga.. Champions (FC Kaiserslautern)
2003 Bundesliga.. Champions (Bayern Munich)
2005 Bundesliga.. Champions (Bayern Munich)
2006 Bundesliga.. Champions (Bayern Munich)
2003 German Cup.. winner (Bayern Munich)
2005 German Cup.. winner (Bayern Munich)
2006 German Cup.. winner (Bayern Munich)
2002 World Cup Finalists (Germany)
2002 Champions League Finals (Bayer Leverkusen)
2002 Finaliste of la German Cup.. (Bayer Leverkusen)

Where's the spoof?

Oh yeah, and he was free.

Well the definition of the spoofer is someone who's raking in thousands and not really putting in the effort. He's on £200,000 a week. I think Ballack is a spoofer this season. I'm not talking about past seasons.

gary the great · 11-01-2007 10:31pm

Pierre Van Hooijdonk at forest. (what a cool name by the way!)

Stan Collymore?

Spoofers in the premiership

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