Problem with muay thai?

mickoo

O;k my problem is this-im a fan of all fighting arts and watch what ever is on-i've trained bits of most of the well known ones-i've noticed on the boards that if people ask where they could learn boxing the muay thai fella's all jump in and start saying do muay thai(blah blah)-if the people wanted to do muay thai they'd ask for muay thai. are you's struggling to get members? most boxing clubs are full to the brim so this is not a problem for them.

buck65

I reckon Muay Thai is probably enjoying its place in the sun alongside BJJ at the moment. They seem to be the most popular arts on this thread and others too. Some practicioners of each feel their art is the ultimate fighting system and have little respect for traditional martial arts. And are basically ignorant of other arts. This is peculiar as Muay Thai is also a TMA.
Others seem to have had a base in Judo , TKD or Karate and have now moved to these arts, perhaps because they are more dynamic and considered better for self defence/ streetfighting plus there is no katas or patterns and thus spend more time on the mat. I have alot of respect for these people.
I feel as martial arts evolve some arts rise as others wane - look at the popularity of Judo and Karate in the 80s, with the likes of Urban Combatives and Reality based martial arts becoming more popular I think we will be hearing alot from that camp over the next few years.
I respect all arts and really if you find the art that suits you , be it grappling , striking or Tai Chi my recommendation is to keep enjoying it,train hard and avoid swapping and changing to follow fads.

Khannie

mickoo wrote:

i've noticed on the boards that if people ask where they could learn boxing the muay thai fella's all jump in and start saying do muay thai(blah blah)

Since you restricted your question to boxing, I'll assume this is aimed somewhat at me.....

I jumped in on a thread in the boxing forum (along with someone else from on this forum, roper I think) because the lad in question was too old for competitive boxing and was told as much. I'm 30, and nobody has yet told me that I'm too old for competitive Muay Thai (the opposite in fact).

I would have kept my gob shut if he was a 14 year old looking to learn boxing, but he wasn't, he was told he was too old for boxing, so I suggested an alternative that I was aware of. That's it. There's a serious boxing component to MT, much more than MMA or other martial arts (at least that I'm aware of).

If someone came on here asking about TKD, I wouldn't point them to a MT club, nor would I expect anyone else on here to do so.

edit: If you're talking about some other incident on the boxing forum....can you give a link?

yomchi

Answer is simple - most of the guys on here are MMA heads, well there's a decent clump of them anyways. They swear by MT for their striking and rightly so. So when anyone asks about striking arts thats the response you get!

paddyc

mickoo


Its maybe important that you lok at the people replying to these questions are they pure Muay thai heads or as Jon said are they training MMA and then as part of this training some thai and posting on this knowledge....

Or are they people like me, Andrew M, dave joyce and bridgestone man who run help out in thai gyms etc ???


This is a forum where people come to offer advice and express opinions, perhaps founded... perhaps not... but who are you to judge?

A lot of people come on here saying i wanna get fit... any ideas maybe boxing or something like that... or I wanna do karate so i can punch or kick... any ideas... the people asking dont seem to know what they want only know vague terms... so of course people are going to plug there own gyms and arts... it makes sense does it not....

are you's struggling to get members? most boxing clubs are full to the brim so this is not a problem for them.

most certainly not, most if not all of the thai gyms in the country are flourishing... with more opening up and a few more planned i the future... Thai boxing is the toughest hardest ring sport in the world... no other striking art can match it.... so you will of course understand that people dont flock to it like they do to a boxing gym... they simply aint up to the challenge

Also any thai gym in the country and there are a good few are purely funded by them selves with many of the coaches not making a penny.... we dnt get large granys like the boxing gyms do so if we have to do a bit of advertising on a forum.... so what....


buck65

Muay Thai is probably enjoying its place in the sun

we aint just rising to the top, thai has been and will be for many years one fo the toughest most physically demanding sports out there, MUAY THAI and KK may have started out as a TMA... although I disute that... but the SPORT of thai boxing is simply that .... a sport

Some practicioners of each feel their art is the ultimate fighting system and have little respect for traditional martial arts

thai is... surely you need only look at any k1 event to see that, where are your karate, TKD and kung fu lads then.... the K1 sport is about fighting and most of the time lads training in thai win it.... i cant really see an arguement there.... As to say we have no respect for TMA... i mean get your head out of your ass mate...

I offered a gym to a Silat poster on here so he could show off his art to the disbelievers because i know the fella and how he trains...

would dave joyce.. who runs a thai gym, traing in the knife, silat and combatitives if he had no respect for TMA... i think not. You will find most "older" coaches in ireland of thai boxing started out i some thing like boxing, kickboxing karate etc etc and then when thai came laong gave it up cos thai was better for them and worked better for them....

I know that you aint trying to start a row and if your were I wouldnt bite but i can hope that you can see that if you look back over threads there may be posters singin the praises of thai boxing... but you will very rarely find the people on the grass roots of thai coming on ere and belittling other MA... unless its kickboxing... but that okay... isnt it



paddy

Millionaire

Ah Paddy...good kickboxing is a good thing! ;-)

I still think of Thai as a TMA... even though it is a SPORT too! none of the traditions (of the most part) have been lost... Wai Kru, the music during the bouts, the rituals involved.... thats a great thing I think!

All them top champs of the past that I know, Nampon and Co, still learned all the Master Tricks, and Complimentary tricks... and all the lads up in Nong Ki can still do them. Up there the 2 teens being brought on, still Wai to Master Pramote btwn each round. I was made learn them too.

I suppose the Wai Kru was dropped, it would be like in GAA the Soldiers Song being dropped out of the All Ireland Final.

As for the day in the Sun...

With over 60,000 professional fighters in thailand alone... well I think that answers that question!!!

Muay Thai is the most lethal tough striking art out there, be it for sport or self defence.

henryb

Sorry Paddy, not all boxing clubs around the country get large,
if any grants and the coaches certainly dont get paid
for the hard earned time they put into coaching the youngsters!

Tim_Murphy

It's been widely shown that the term TMA means just about anything a person wants it to mean so what's the point using it?

henryb

just a question for the muay thai lads. I know you all seem to say
that muay thai, is the hardest striking ring sport going and i cant
argue with that cause ive never done it. But at what level does
this assesment start at?
Im sure you're all aware of some of the great pro boxers of our
time eg. Ali, Duran, Morralles, Frazier, i could go on all day,
but in seeing some of the wars these guys have been in,
surely it doesnt come much tougher than this.
I mean, theyve been on deaths door at some stage durjng there
career!

paddyc

this not new news to me henryb i was in boxing clubs for most of my junior life and afor a while when i moved to dublin was training in one...

The only point i was making was that thai gyms get nothing and there are no less that 3 state of the art gyms opened or opening in ireland recently... these gyms everything from the rent to the water to the electric have to be paid for by the coaches... where as in some case SOME boxing gyms get a nice grant to two... you only have to google it to find out how much some clubs got


cheers paddy

henryb

point taken Paddy .I just know myself from years of experience
what its like to run a club like these and as you know yourself
its hard work!

RedRaven

mickoo wrote:

O;k my problem is this-im a fan of all fighting arts and watch what ever is on-i've trained bits of most of the well known ones-i've noticed on the boards that if people ask where they could learn boxing the muay thai fella's all jump in and start saying do muay thai(blah blah)-if the people wanted to do muay thai they'd ask for muay thai. are you's struggling to get members? most boxing clubs are full to the brim so this is not a problem for them.

I suggest you deal with your problem then!!;)

Most people hear just want to get on with what there doing and try other stuff out some they will like and others they wont.
If someone suggests they try something for what ever reason so what I dont see any harm in this.

paddyc

henry

only seen you last post there..... the fabulous 4... i grew up with them sitting on my aul fellas lap watching them at 3 in the morning... I have all of their fights on dvd in the house, as well as hattons barerreas mc guigans and loads more, I am a massive boxing fan always have been... and yes they are indeed wars as were the last coralles castillo fights... weigh in and all:)


but yes there are thai fights and grudge matches in thai similar to the toe to toe stuff you talk about... gatti and ward wouldnt be in it

there a guy called Ramon dekker lok him up on youtube.com if you even want his dvd i will post it over to you to give a you a look.

what level do we compare thai at.. well lets look at japan theres a fight called k1.... where any art starting with K can join in... karate, kickboxing, kung fu and a few more and thai wins out time and time again...

on an irish level its hard to compare as they never been done before but if it was i am quite confident a thai boxer would win it...

cheers paddy

buck65

Paddy - just to clarify I said some practicioners see it as the ultimate art not all, as do some BJJers see theirs.
I was watching an Aikido demonstration recently when a BJJer laughed and told me that "It doesn't work.."
If you read my post again you will see that I have alot of respect for Muay Thai and most people who do it , but there definitely is a bit of the ol "Ultimate striking art" creeping in. And actually my head isn't in my arse, it was though after my last tournament!

Millionaire - I only say it is enjoying its time in the sun due to its current popularity, not because it is a passing trend.
As you know yourself Urban combatives and Krav Maga, Systema are become very popular and will probably entice a big following over the next couple of years.

cowzerp

My boxing club charges 2 euro a week for kids and 5 euro a week for the adult and thats for monday to friday, my trainer makes the rent and insurance bills by selling tickets to the locals and this supports the running of the club-none of us trainers make a penny and do it for the love of it-by the way paddy c-i believe at the lighter weights a good boxer would beat a muay thai fighter-kicks are not that hard to dodge compared to punches and when they miss and we;re out of the way, your in trouble as our superior footwork will have us in on top of you at will,its the heavys that do k1 as its only to entice american and european fans to watch,and these are always washed up boxers with no footwork trying to make a few quid against the very best thai fighters-i was at the last bridgestone tounament and every time a fighter was dominating it was by punching and not kicking-they just went back to kicking because its expected in thai. also i've a few friends who switched from boxing to thai and find it much easier than the boxing. thai in my opinion is the best stand up art that uses feet, but boxing is tops when it comes down to real fighting-chuck liddell basically fights as a boxer and he has thai skills too-why is this? i also noticed the thai crowd steering boxing people to thai and think its a bit ****ty-i would not tell a lad wanting to do thai to change his mind and come to my club...:cool:

Millionaire

Talking about footwork... I am also learnign Jeet Kune Do, as developed by bruce lee...the last version of it he had before he died.

The foot work and straight lead punch borrows heavily from old school boxing of Jack Dempsey, and from fencing... KO power in straight lead (as opposed to jab)..and the footwork to move around to side of opponent is very clever.
I am only learning but can see already where I can add it in to make me a better fighter.

Re the boxer vs thai... a good thai fighter will nail you with a Teep (push kick) lightening fast before you even move. they masters of it.

Not sure about the kicks being hard to dodge.... I d say the guy I saw last month in the ring, who was KO'd by a full power on target shin kick to side of neck might have a differerent opinion on that. !

cowzerp

Gerry as you know-thai fighters stay in range and block kicks-boxers will do this in mma if there defo going to get hit, but most of the time will be out of range to quick for a kick-a teep is probably more effective against a boxer but they too are easily pushed aside if your expecting 1. as i already said, bigger slower boxers might be beaten by thais but i think it would not be the same at the faster weight divisions-the other thing is, there is loads of muay thai fighters in ufc and they dont really do well-there is hardly any boxers and the ones that are there did not make the grade in the better payed boxing world-fact. any way the point of this topic is not really which is better but more a case of 1 side trying to push there sport onto people who ask for something else..by the way i train thai aswell in mma and do boxing seperate so i appreciate both arts..

judomick

just my 2 cents i think if a boxer fought a thai practitioner similiar weight the boxer wouldnt be able to take the leg kicks or deal effectively against the clinch, Ali fought Inoki (japanese pro wrestler) and ended up in hospital from leg kicks its on youtube for all the unbelievers, so what damage would a thai fighter have caused? btw Ali is my hero

FiannaGym.com

Cowzerp your quite right in an internet discussion type way, but in real life your totally wrong.

Masato (LW) fought a boxer about a year ago in k-1 and beat him in round 1 due to leg kicks.

While its easy to say kicks can easily be dodged its much harder to do. Beleive. And some of these dudes can kick through baseball bats.

That said, I think most guys who train thai (like guys who train MMA) will say there's a lot to be learned from boxing. Boxing is limited set of skills, which is its beauty and its downfall in competitions which allow a wider variety of skills. And when a boxer decides to learn the skills needed to compete in thai or MMA they can use their boxing successfully.

Peace

EDIT: Just for those who don't know, Inoki's contract stipulated that he could not take Ali down.

Millionaire

Also we must not forget Kyokushinkai Karate ( and other associated karate styles).

Those Knockdown competitions are very tough.

I found the training in strikes down in KoKoro www.mma-ireland.com with Shane T, to be quite hardcore (and excellent! it was great fun!), not to mentioned some of the leg conditioning drills.

There is a big difference, even in sparring the club with hard contact, between getting a box glove stirke in the ribs, compared to a Bareknuckle Kyokushinkai strike in the ribs.

In fact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickboxing

look at section Initial Japanese Development... Japan Best Thailand in a challenge match. (i m not trying to prove a point...just posting this for general interest)

henryb

Thanks for the offer on the dvd Paddy and i'll certainly look
up this Ramon Dekker guy. Hopefully this year im gona try
and get up to Dave Joyces gym in galway and try my hand at
muay thai. Im studyin krav maga at the min so i'll have to work it
aroun that. It involves a bit of traveling and hopefully my back
behaves it self , but id love to give it a go!

Millionaire

Krav and Muay Thai are an excellent compliment for Self Defence!

henryb

yeah , but in fairness , thus was just a farce. Ali never took this fight seriously' didnt train for it and inoki just crawlled around on the floor all
night staying out of trouble.

judomick wrote:

just my 2 cents i think if a boxer fought a thai practitioner similiar weight the boxer wouldnt be able to take the leg kicks or deal effectively against the clinch, Ali fought Inoki (japanese pro wrestler) and ended up in hospital from leg kicks its on youtube for all the unbelievers, so what damage would a thai fighter have caused? btw Ali is my hero

henryb

I remember reading one of youre posts about this before gerry.
would one night muay thai and two nights krav be efficient?

Millionaire wrote:

Krav and Muay Thai are an excellent compliment for Self Defence!

cowzerp

judomick wrote:

just my 2 cents i think if a boxer fought a thai practitioner similiar weight the boxer wouldnt be able to take the leg kicks or deal effectively against the clinch, Ali fought Inoki (japanese pro wrestler) and ended up in hospital from leg kicks its on youtube for all the unbelievers, so what damage would a thai fighter have caused? btw Ali is my hero

all joking aside but that was not a fight-some arsehole jumpkicking your legs and lying on his back is not any good of a comparison-this was meant to be an exhibition and not anything serious, im embarrased for your man.

henryb

cowzerp wrote:

all joking aside but that was not a fight-some arsehole jumpkicking your legs and lying on his back is not any good of a comparison-this was meant to be an exhibition and not anything serious, im embarrased for your man.

At last. Some one that actually agrees with me!!!
LOL

cowzerp

judomick wrote:

just my 2 cents i think if a boxer fought a thai practitioner similiar weight the boxer wouldnt be able to take the leg kicks or deal effectively against the clinch, Ali fought Inoki (japanese pro wrestler) and ended up in hospital from leg kicks its on youtube for all the unbelievers, so what damage would a thai fighter have caused? btw Ali is my hero

My point is that the lighter boxers would not take many if any leg kicks as they would be too hard to hit-a static styled boxer would struggle, thats why in k1 the boxers are only average-always big slow gone past it boxers..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z9X4JrwOjw

FiannaGym.com

cowzerp wrote:

all joking aside but that was not a fight-some arsehole jumpkicking your legs and lying on his back is not any good of a comparison-this was meant to be an exhibition and not anything serious, im embarrased for your man.

Some arsehole? Inoki is still around and would make you look like a little school girl in a fight today. Inoki is a legend. No one here disrespected Ali. I suppose gross ignorance breeds indecency.

Peace

Nothingcompares

Does anyone know what the typical attitude of a Thai Thai Boxer is to Boxing? Do they think it's something similar they could have been good at? Something completely different? Something beneath them?

cowzerp

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Some arsehole? Inoki is still around and would make you look like a little school girl in a fight today. Inoki is a legend. No one here disrespected Ali. I suppose gross ignorance breeds indecency.

Peace

if he was such a legend then why did he not take a real part in the exhibition-that was just fear and he could have punched knee'd and kicked but knew ali would of wiped the floor with him-whether you think he's a legend or not he let him and his sport down that day.:mad:

Millionaire

Nothingcompares wrote:

Does anyone know what the typical attitude of a Thai Thai Boxer is to Boxing? Do they think it's something similar they could have been good at? Something completely different? Something beneath them?

Some have changed over and became pro boxers.

I d say if you asked the average Thai Thai Boxer...why he is doing certain things, or training in a certain way.... they would not be able to give you an answer!

They just do it, because that is the way it is done!

even there was a TV in the camp and at 4pm each day the sports channel showed an hour of western boxing... the fighters would ignore it..and just start their own training.

Thais are very cocky about MT being the ultimate... I was showing a few fighters (this was up north east in Isan, real boggers... in other words "thai cluchies"but the best champs come from Isan as its so poor Bakow is one). showing them some RBSD DVDS...and they just could not comprehend it or what it was???!!?

If it is not muay thai...it just goes over their heads.

They are very dismissive of other martial arts. they just blank them... whre my attitude...is every MA...could teach me some little new trick.. no matter what it is.

From what I see over here in Thailand...by 21 if your not making a BIG name for yourself...your past you sell by date... where pro boxers of this age there is plenty of time to work up the ranks.

I was reading in local paper here, that they are making a bigger push on getting kids into western amateur boxing, to grow the sport.

Also more points in MT are award for kicks...so some camps I seen train 70% kicks, 20% clinch and 10% boxing. (this camp had many famous world champions at one stage).... the teen fighters up there are doing 3000 kicks a day on the pads, between morning and afternoon sessions... so thats 15 sets of 100 kicks left right left right at speed round the ring. repeat in afternoon. 1 hour of clich sparring. then on to bags for more kicks , knees, punch etc.. not to mention 10km run in mornings. and high school in between.... now thats tough going!!! and no guarantees of the big league!!!

Muay Thai especially away from places foreign people go, is very traditional...its like the local GAA team down in Kerry. the idea of western boxing would not even, enter their heads.

Its like some lads I knew big in the GAA...if you even suggested soccer or worse Rugby... the look of distain on their faces was amazing! perhaps its a similar thing with thais and MT.

Millionaire

henryb wrote:

I remember reading one of youre posts about this before gerry.
would one night muay thai and two nights krav be efficient?

Yes, you would be right on target with that!

3 nights of training a week consistent is great!

I can train daily (start back daily monday)... as there is a few different gyms minutes from my house, so its easy.

Living back in ireland I did 4 times week 3 KM (sometimes 4 but that was teaching) and either 1 private MT lesson or sometimes kickboxing back at my old club. and sometimes i would take a week or too off too! just for a break!

cowzerp

Gerry i agree about the lack of willingless to change-i was at the bridgestone fight night recently and even when lads where dominating with hands they would go back to kicking and start losing-as a boxer i was a little perplexed by this, i did not know how valued the kicking was to the art- as far as im concerned, what works is best. i understand why they dont want to dilute there sport but this can be a hindrance-either way-muay thai is still great.

judomick

cowzerp wrote:

if he was such a legend then why did he not take a real part in the exhibition-that was just fear and he could have punched knee'd and kicked but knew ali would of wiped the floor with him-whether you think he's a legend or not he let him and his sport down that day.:mad:

probably because trying to box with Ali would have been suicide, the point i was making was if a wrestler could put Ali in Hospital, what would a good thai fighter have done, in essence boxers have no leg conditioning therefore would be at a disadvantage against a thai fighter,

judomick

henryb wrote:

yeah , but in fairness , thus was just a farce. Ali never took this fight seriously' didnt train for it and inoki just crawlled around on the floor all
night staying out of trouble.

it also stipulated that if groundwork or any lock was attempted ali only had to grab the ropes for the lock to be broken by the referee so one could argue Ali just stayed by the ropes the whole fight staying out of trouble, im not saying the fight was not a farce im merely pointing out that Ali was hospitalised due to the damage Inoki done to his legs

judomick

cowzerp wrote:

all joking aside but that was not a fight-some arsehole jumpkicking your legs and lying on his back is not any good of a comparison-this was meant to be an exhibition and not anything serious, im embarrased for your man.

again the point i was making regardless of the competitveness of the event was the relatively little effort it took from inoki to put a one of the worlds greatest boxers in hospital. Ali had no leg conditioning as many other boxers dont either , therefore in the MT vs Boxing argument the boxer is at a disadvantage, and therein is my point, ladies and gentlemen goodnight

Pro. F

cowzerp wrote:

i believe at the lighter weights a good boxer would beat a muay thai fighter-kicks are not that hard to dodge compared to punches and when they miss and we;re out of the way, your in trouble as our superior footwork will have us in on top of you at will,

Thais view western boxing footwork as inferior and vice versa - both styles of footwork are different because they have different aims.
There are several extremely effective techniques in thai for use when a kick has missed - Spinning elbow (super fast and with very bloody results), Spinning heal kick (fast and hard to the ribs) and Crocodile whips its tail (heal kick to head; riskier) to name a few. These techs (esp. the first two) are easy to do, v fast, strong and accurate. Moving in to punch a Thai Boxer immediately after he's missed a kick is extremely dangerous. And once the MTer has thrown the spinning elbow or whatever if it hasn't connected then both fighters are back to square one.

cowzerp wrote:

-i was at the last bridgestone tounament and every time a fighter was dominating it was by punching and not kicking

This may have been true that night (I don't know I wasn't there) but it doesn't mean that that's the usual way it goes. And even though kicks score highly in MT, if a fighter is punching the head off the other lad and dominating then they will win the round. Don't get too hung up on the scoring. It's not because of scoring that kicks are used in MT. If boxing is working in a fight then MTers use it.

Of all the MT shows I've seen there has been a fair mix between the ranges that have won fights. But one thing has been universally true. If one fighter can't block leg kicks it's over.
That's why leg kicks beat boxers, because they can't block them. Boxers can dodge away from them but can't follow up and therefore can't engage.

cowzerp wrote:

thai in my opinion is the best stand up art that uses feet, but boxing is tops when it comes down to real fighting-chuck liddell basically fights as a boxer and he has thai skills too-why is this?

There is a difference between using the skills from each in MMA and the two arts fighting each other in some sort of striking match up. In MMA take downs have to be guarded against which therefore favours using punches to strike.

cowzerp wrote:

its the heavys that do k1 as its only to entice american and european fans to watch, and these are always washed up boxers with no footwork trying to make a few quid against the very best thai fighters

Ye, from what i've seen it does seem to be mostly washed up fat fellas representing boxing which is a pity. But Fianna gave an example of a LW Thai vs Boxing there so there you go - the thai boxer won with leg kicks in round one.

I hope this thread leads to an Irish champion boxer fighting an Irish champion Thai boxer. With no take downs or ground. How cool would that be?:D
I'm sure the MTers would be up for it if the rules were suitable.

Clive

I heard that all the best boxers in the world fought all the best Thai boxers in the world on a big Battleship. It turns out that Chuck Norris won.

:rolleyes:

yomchi

^^^^^^
hehehehe

The old style versus style argument.. and around in circles we go!

BobbyOLeary

Millionaire wrote:

whre my attitude...is every MA...could teach me some little new trick.. no matter what it is.

On the money there. Fact of life really, if you specialise in A you naturally become less adept at B than someone specialising in B and vice versa. Why not learn how to do things from the person who can do them best? Theory behind MMA i suppose? Twas what my Kenpo instructor taught me anyhow.

-Bob

Millionaire

Actually..Question for those with god boxing knowledge?

Did Barry McGuigan fight a Thai in his career?

I seem to remember watching one of Barrys fights live, (I am 90% sure it was him), and his opponent was a Thai (but also a Muay Thai champ), and he entered the ring, climbing over the ropes in trad thai clothes.

paddyc

i thought you could get all history of fighters on www.irish-boxing.com cant find it there though....


cowzerp an answer for ya

your in trouble as our superior footwork will have us in on top of you at will,i was at the last bridgestone tounament and every time a fighter was dominating it was by punching and not kicking-they just went back to kicking because its expected in thai. also i've a few friends who switched from boxing to thai and find it much easier than the boxing.

I'll give you that that you have great foot work, but the last place you wanna be is on top of a thai boxer... best you turn and go the other way:) you get kneed to death..

The last Bstone show was a novice show bar a few fights, and due to that novices will rely more on their hands as the adrenalin makes them a wee bit forgetful so they punch more... some of the other fights... and you'll know this cos you were there, eoghan murphys fights started with him gettig teeped in the face, robert doyles fight had few punches but loads of kicks and elbows... you remember the fight that got stopped cos of the blood..... these are more experienced fighters and can show case all the weapons that thai has.....

well done to your friends, they are the first boxers i have met that switched to thai and found it easy... what level were they boxing at, as a few friends of mine were boxing at a very high level and found thai and still find thai very hard... also where are you mates training thai and what standards doe the coach set for training?


Its seems to me that this will go round and round in circles my daddies better than yours etc etc... So i dont want to get into a big debate with anyone... its seems prof f might have hit the nail on the head... a boxing vs thai boxing fight night.....

I know of 3 thai lads that will fight if it comes about...

also wheres mickoo... he started all this


paddy

cowzerp

Gerry i looked at his record and cant find any thais on it-maybe it was a south american as sometimes they wear similar shorts to the thai's.
Paddy c-we'll agrre to disagree as its all opinion either way-when it comes down to it-i could beat a thai today and lose to 1 tommorrow and then we're back here again-i like and rspect thai boxing and tell everyone how important it is for mma-i also say boxing is every bit as important these days in mma-anyway these will never be proven and the debate is interesting-talk soon paddy-c where do you train as i might fight thai in the future?

john kavanagh

boxing v thai night you say...

Khannie

paddyc wrote:

I'll give you that that you have great foot work, but the last place you wanna be is on top of a thai boxer... best you turn and go the other way:) you get kneed to death..

I was thinking this aswell, but kept my gob shut. Like everyone else has said though....the only way to know for sure would be a boxing v's thai night. Sure as f*ck I'd go to watch that.

dlofnep

The problem here is people with insecurities afraid of arts like Muay Thai. You have eventually come to grips with that fact that full contact sports are the only way to fully assess what you are doing, and you can't deal with that, so you come on here and make some idiotic post claiming "these guys" keep doing this and that. They say this and that for obvious reasons, it is their god given opinion. If you have anything to dispute their claims, say so in the said thread instead of creating a new one with ignorant remarks.

I seriously think this forum should be seperated into two categories.

People who have a grip on reality.
People who don't and refuse to even try.

Nothingcompares

I don't even know what group I'd fall into!

I maintain a boxer versus a Thai Boxer under Thai rules Thai boxer is always going to win. Boxer versus Thai boxer under Boxing rules boxer is always going to win. Boxer versus thai boxer under K1 rules I'd give the Thai boxer the edge. Mainly because he's got more effective weapons at his disposal. I don't think the boxer can do anything to a Thai boxer he hasn't seen before but just at a lower intensity. The short rounds in K1 will take away the boxers conditioning advantage (boxer is more used to 10 rounds etc) but having said that, I don't think a pure boxer could take more than 3 rounds of leg kicks never mind 10.

Thai Boxer by TKO round 3.

Roper

I have no grip on reality, I want to be in that forum.

Just because someone doesn't have your own vast martial arts experience lads doesn't make them not entitled to their opinion (albeit misinformed). I think some people could be a bit more polite whe they're explaining things that some people just don't know anything about- we can't all be experts.

Nothingcompares

Experts like me and dlofnep.

mickoo

O'k i started this thread-it was not meant as a which is better thread-it was meant as-its not very fair trying too steer people away from a sport there interested in to your sport just because you do it. if someone came on here asking about thai i would not say-dont do that do boxing instead.
Now if someone asks what ma they should do then thats open season and then our opinions should be given.
the other thing is this, and its a serious question-its always said that you cant take boxing up at older ages but you can in thai?
i know a older people starting boxing will struggle big time but the thai lads on here say that late 20's people can get up to a competitve level?
does this not tell you something?
by the way-opinions are what make the site so some of you lads should take a chill pill cause some of you's are just rude at best...

Nothingcompares

I think it's just part of the attitude Mickoo. The average boxing club just isn't interested in adults dropping in, giving it a go and probably giving it up. However, Bridgestone Muay Thai (can't comment on others) don't turn people away like that. I don't think anyone starting Muay Thai at 30 can go and win world championships but they, if they train superhard, will get a couple of fights. Same with boxing, start boxing at 30 and work hard and you'll still never be competitive (of course all of this is relative) but you'll get more than a couple of bouts.