Does anyone else notice?

AceCard Jones

Just something I have observed over the last while, when looking at people debate about the Playstation 3 and the X-Box 360, and then looking at their reaction to the Wii.

Does anyone else think that a Sony or Micro$oft "Fanboy" is far more likely to accept the Wii as a good console, rather than the Playstation 3 or X-Box 360 depending on what "Fanboy" they are?

I think this is because they don't feel as threatened by the Wii, and it also saves face for them by giving them a non biased look as a gamer.

I think that's ridiculous as I am always both the owner of the Sony and Nintendo Consoles, but I certainly never think of my Nintendo consoles as a way to disguise my intolerance.

I don't buy Micro$oft's consoles for many reasons but competition ain't one of them.And for the above reason I don't think Sony or Micro$oft should have to respond to rumours or competition slagging matches to the press, they should just get these people to do it!!!

Excuse the slight randomness of this topic, but I'm curious to know if it's just me who sees this.

Jim

Goes in with Nintendo's overall view that they are not in competition with MS or Sony, rather they are something completly different now.

AceCard Jones

But that's a load of crap too though really when you think about it.
They also said that about the DS not being in competition with the PSP.....
First chance they had, they were boasting about how their sales of the DS were soo much higher than the PSP.That was probably just their fail safe in case the Wii flopped.

thebman

AceCard Jones wrote:

But that's a load of crap too though really when you think about it.
They also said that about the DS not being in competition with the PSP.....
First chance they had, they were boasting about how their sales of the DS were soo much higher than the PSP.That was probably just their fail safe in case the Wii flopped.

DS was Nintendo's testing ground to see was the industry ready for change according to Nintendo. DS was to test would Wii be possible.

Personally I own a GC but probably won't buy a Wii because I have GC graphics and the games that are currently using the controller are arsing it up, let alone that it is a new way to play the same games at the moment. I want new genres that actually use the controller instead of this crap from Ubisoft.

I'm probably going to get a 360 because it has a good online service, good games and is reasonably priced and a few of my friends from college will probably get it so I can play with them.

I won't touch the PS3 because of the price of it and lack of games for it at the moment.

In short, I don't think the Wii and PS3 are worth what those companies are asking for them (I don't care about Bluray, I don't have a HDTV so I'll wait for a decent standalone player for 200 quid in a few years).

AceCard Jones

I think you are forgetting that the PS3 and the Wii have only just launched, and the PS3 isn't even here yet. The X-Box has had over a year now to stock up on titles, and of all of them there isn't really that many good ones still, in my view. The Wii is very cheap, the cheapest of the three systems, and of the three consoles if you're not interested in HD then this would be the console for you. It's the other two that are boasting HD graphics.

I am in no way trying to change your mind about getting a 360, if that's what you want go for it, but I think you should reserve judgment on the Wii for now. i guarantee you, give it time and there will be excellent games that will use the Wii-mote to it's full potential.

Not aiming this at you individually, gaming is becoming an increasingly expensive hobby and you are one of the many people who keep complaining about the price of the PS3 among other things. I hate to say it, but with the way things are going the people who are complaining won't be gaming for much longer, or at least will have to wait a year or two to get in on the action.

Easy Rider

I own a 360 and Wii, not too bothered about the PS3 as the 360 has more games and the same graphics etc.....

AceCard Jones

Ok, same graphics, even though that's not 100% true, what about titles that will appear on the PS3 and not the 360, what about the people who want them? As well as that not everybody plays computer games just for the graphics.

Vyse

AceCard Jones wrote:

Not aiming this at you individually, gaming is becoming an increasingly expensive hobby and you are one of the many people who keep complaining about the price of the PS3 among other things. I hate to say it, but with the way things are going the people who are complaining won't be gaming for much longer, or at least will have to wait a year or two to get in on the action.

Don't think that this is true,if anything it's the reverse. Gaming is becoming increasingly cheaper. When I had my Megadrive years ago games would cost £50-60. When you consider that you can buy an average game for a 360 at €60 it works out at the same, if not cheaper. And that was 15 years ago.

People compalin that the price of 360 games are €70+ but that was the price of XBox games when they launched. I even remember on the Xbox launch day GAME were charging €80 per game. I'd bet anything that in the next year or so you'll see the 360 games drop below €60 (a lot of places were/ are selling COD3 and GOW at less than €60).

I do think that the PS3 is setting a new standard in terms of price. A console has never been released at such a high price before. Keep in mind that the 360 launched at a lower price than both the PS2 and original XBox (and I am talking about the premium edition).

At the end of the day it's all about choice and everyone should be happy they have one. I have a 360 and am quite happy with it as it currently has the best games available and will do so into the forseable future (check out eurogamers recent "10 to Watch for 2007" articles on the PS3, 360 and Wii). Currently not really interested in Wii. The only titles that seem to be causing excitment are the Nintendo first party ones and I am not a fan of these bar Zelda (although that Heroes title looks ace). I keep track of what's happening on the PS3 front but I won't be an early adopter (if at all). I like Final Fantasy but absolutely despise MGS and these seem like the two big exclusives for the system.

Just my 2 cents;)

skywalker

Vyse wrote:

I do think that the PS3 is setting a new standard in terms of price. A console has never been released at such a high price before. Keep in mind that the 360 launched at a lower price than both the PS2 and original XBox (and I am talking about the premium edition).

There have actually been a couple released which were more expensive. 3DO, CDI, and a few more I cant think of right now. That strategy has yet to work out well for a company though.

AceCard Jones wrote:

The Wii is very cheap,

Why are people still under the illusion the wii is cheap?

Vyse

skywalker wrote:

Why are people still under the illusion the wii is cheap?

Good point. It's only €50 cheaper than the core Xbox.

Okay I'll grant you the CD-i, 3DO etc but I would have never really even considered these as contenders in the market at all. I'm talking about consoles released by Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Sony and MS.

Oh and there was SNK with there outlandishly priced Neo Geo. I remember reading the first report on that in C&VG (I still have the copy). I think the games were £150-200 a piece!

tvnutz

skywalker wrote:

Why are people still under the illusion the wii is cheap?

Because it is? In comparison to other consoles. Wii-260,XB360-410,PS3-600+

That is obviously not including accesories,but you have to buy them for any console. The games are also cheaper than Xbox360 and PS3 games. So for a brand new console,that lets face it,kicks ass.Its a damn good price.

BlitzKrieg

AceCard Jones wrote:

Ok, same graphics, even though that's not 100% true, what about titles that will appear on the PS3 and not the 360, what about the people who want them? As well as that not everybody plays computer games just for the graphics.

See the problem there is that the number of games that will appear on the PS3 and not the 360 is quickly shrinking.

And I know what will happen now.

people will cry Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo.


I'll give you Gran turismo, but the other 2. The problem thats ringing alarm bells for me is that neither title has a release date, and to me when a console has a shaky start like the PS3 did, it is very risky to rely on games with no confirmation to be your big hitters.

Not having a release date (with hints that it is as far away as 2008) runs the risk that the publisher might pull it to the machine with the garunteed larger base or at least make it multiplatform. The two games are at that stage where the shift wouldnt hurt the development process too much, and with the incentive to stay with sony shrinking ever more, I say they're is some temptation.

Now Final Fantasy I highly doubt because its main market is Japan, and the PS3 isnt doing as bad as the 360 there, but each final fantasy has been expanded that its no longer one game. (there are games based in final fantasy 13 coming to the PSP and DS) so dont be surprised if a bit of the Final Fantasy love is spread over to the 360 (11 was.). This means only a final fantasy completist would probably push the PS3 purely on final fantasy online.

MGS4 I think could go multiplatform, Konami have given the textbook, we havnt denied it, but we wont approve it message. So PS3 might get it first but the 360 could very likely get a copy of it at some point.


Once you remove those games, Gran Turismo is the only #1 franchise (in its genre) secured in Sony's complete control, sure they have a few other exclusives but most of them are either new franchises (Resistence) or franchises which are not at all that big (Killzone).

you'll have alot of playstation pretenders to the crown of many genres but the reality is the better of almost all the genres is on either of the other 2 machines.

my 2 cents

jimmycrackcorm

I'm not into games and have no interest in either PS3 or XBOX360, but I got a Wii because it looked awesome fun in the tv ads. When after playing tennis for example I find myself sweating and my arm muscles aching, I think that this is a new and exciting dimension in gaming.

What really has me excited is when I look at the simplistic control responses in Wii sports then I can only imagine what will come out in the future once game developers get used to the mechanism and build better control responses into the games.

I'd imagine though that we'll be seeing similar motion controllers come out for the xbox and ps3 later this year.

CodeMonkey

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Now Final Fantasy I highly doubt because its main market is Japan

You should maybe go check the sales figures of FF10 and FF12 in the states. I have no idea how you can say that its main market is Japan.

and the PS3 isnt doing as bad as the 360 there, but each final fantasy has been expanded that its no longer one game. (there are games based in final fantasy 13 coming to the PSP and DS) so dont be surprised if a bit of the Final Fantasy love is spread over to the 360 (11 was.). This means only a final fantasy completist would probably push the PS3 purely on final fantasy online.

FF11 was on the xbox because it's a mmorpg which was already available for windows. FF13 will sell a lot of PS3s.

MGS4 I think could go multiplatform, Konami have given the textbook, we havnt denied it, but we wont approve it message. So PS3 might get it first but the 360 could very likely get a copy of it at some point.

Even if MGS4 or FF13 goes multiplatform it'll still shift a lot of PS3 is it's initially only available on the PS3.

skywalker

Vyse wrote:

Oh and there was SNK with there outlandishly priced Neo Geo. I remember reading the first report on that in C&VG (I still have the copy). I think the games were £150-200 a piece!

Ahhh the Neo Geo. What a beast of a machine. I think everyone knew a friend of a friend who had one. Or had at least played one. It was the dogs dangly bits in its day.

tvnutz wrote:

Because it is? In comparison to other consoles. Wii-260,XB360-410,PS3-600+

That is obviously not including accesories,but you have to buy them for any console. The games are also cheaper than Xbox360 and PS3 games. So for a brand new console,that lets face it,kicks ass.Its a damn good price.

I really dont think it is though. There was a thread on here over christmas asking how much people had spent on their wii, and the average was circa 500 notes. The premium xbox was going with an absolute bundle of games for that price.

Im not trying to bash the wii or anything, but I think this cheap console idea nintendo put out there was a red herring.

Retr0gamer

CodeMonkey wrote:

You should maybe go check the sales figures of FF10 and FF12 in the states. I have no idea how you can say that its main market is Japan.

I'm not looking forward to FF13 since I found FF12 to be utter tripe. The old FF team have left Squaresoft and are now making games for the DS and 360. Their first game, Blue Dragon on the 360 and released here in March, recently had the japanese actually queueing for xbox 360's. Their next 360 game lost odessy is even more hotly anticipated. I seem to be on my own with my opinion of FF12 but it's true that squaresoft aren't releasing classic after classic anymore since they lost most of their talent to Mistwalker.

I don't expect to see MGS4 anytime before 2008.

sprinkles

The wii is cheap. I don't care what anyone says about it. It's cheaper than the other 2. Is is relatively cheap? Depends on what you're comparing. Graphically no. It should be about €100 based on that. But in terms of fun, I'll put it equal if not better than the 360 (and I own both). Therefore it's very very cheap and you don't need a HDTV to use it (Dead Rising anyone!)

IMO the difference at the minute between the PS3 and the 360 does not warrent the difference in price. Bluray is useless at the minute, the cross platform games are almosst identicle (some will argue the 360 looks better) and the PS3's online serivce is turning out to be sh*t (or so early reports indicate it is anyway).

There is a long road ahead for both consoles but unless the PS3 offers me some thing that the 360 can't and I value that at €600+ then I for one won't be getting one. That's the difference with the wii. At any price it does off you something completely different to the 360/PS3. You just have to put a value to it and decide if it's worth you buying it. I've already saved the money I spent on it by no going out in favour of Zelda. I also expect to save all those golf fee's and bowling costs

Vegeta

skywalker wrote:

I really dont think it is though. There was a thread on here over christmas asking how much people had spent on their wii, and the average was circa 500 notes. The premium xbox was going with an absolute bundle of games for that price.

Im not trying to bash the wii or anything, but I think this cheap console idea nintendo put out there was a red herring.

I have both. The Wii is a cheap console.

250 euro in argos with Wii Sports and a controller.

A core 360 is 300 euro with no game and you need a memory unit or a hard drive to save games or access live. Throw in a cheap game and you're talking 400 euro.

Yes its more powerful but the Wii is considerably cheaper

AceCard Jones

I just had to say this after what Retrogamer said....
The original Final Fantasy Team left square?
Yes...the people who made from I to V have left.....
And the diamonds of the Final Fantasy era (7, 8, 9, 10, 12) were all made by their current team.

And you are definitely right about people not agreeing with your View on XII, I think it's a great game.And the proper Final Fantasies (The Numbered Ones) have little or no chance of being released anywhere else other than the PS3 as I'm pretty sure Sony have a stake in Square.

Vegeta

AceCard Jones wrote:

And you are definitely right about people not agreeing with your View on XII, I think it's a great game.

XII is that the one with the 3 female characters from X using different outfits, Yuna, Lulu and whats-her-face, or am I thinking of a completely differnt game. If so that game was sh1te beyond belief. I will admit I am biased though and do not like the FF series at all but that one particularly offended my gaming taste buds.

Retr0gamer

Vegeta wrote:

XII is that the one with the 3 female characters from X using different outfits, Yuna, Lulu and whats-her-face, or am I thinking of a completely differnt game. If so that game was sh1te beyond belief. I will admit I am biased though and do not like the FF series at all but that one particularly offended my gaming taste buds.

That was FFX-2 which was a disgraceful game altogether.

Most of the Final Fantasy team have gone to mistwalker. Thats why Squaresoft had to get the Vagrant Story team to finish FFX and to make FF12.

CodeMonkey

Retr0gamer wrote:

Most of the Final Fantasy team have gone to mistwalker. Thats why Squaresoft had to get the Vagrant Story team to finish FFX and to make FF12.

Haven't played FF12 so I can't comment. Will get it when the EU version comes out. If FF12 is getting universal good reviews then I can't imagine it to be that bad and you make it sound like the Vagrant Story team is not capable of producing good games. I would rate Vagrant Story as one of the best none Final Fantasy console rpgs.

The thing about FF13 is, even if it's not a classic like FF7 or FF10, the production value and look of the game alone will shift lots of PS3. Isn't that what this thread is talking about?

Sarn

Vegeta wrote:

I have both. The Wii is a cheap console.

250 euro in argos with Wii Sports and a controller.

A core 360 is 300 euro with no game and you need a memory unit or a hard drive to save games or access live. Throw in a cheap game and you're talking 400 euro.

Yes its more powerful but the Wii is considerably cheaper

Just to clarify. I just bought a Wii, I'd have to disagree, it's not considerably cheaper than an XBOX 360 at the moment. Considering I got my Wii for €270 + €50 for Wii play +wiimote (Wii €250 in Argos, but there were none available).

Some XBOX 360 premium pack examples:

Premium 360, PGR, Gears of War, some Arcade game, Perfect Dark collectors edition and an extra controller for €409.99 (if you value the games at about €100 then it's about the same as the Wii).

Or Tesco's (albeit rare offer) €337 for the premium and GOW.

Considering you get a 20 GB HD and better graphics the difference in price is negligible for what you get.

When I was deciding on whether to get a 360 or a Wii I actually considered the 360 to be better value as there were some pretty good deals. In the end I went for the novelty factor of the Wii and have no regrets.

Vyse

AceCard Jones wrote:

I just had to say this after what Retrogamer said....
The original Final Fantasy Team left square?
Yes...the people who made from I to V have left.....
And the diamonds of the Final Fantasy era (7, 8, 9, 10, 12) were all made by their current team.

And you are definitely right about people not agreeing with your View on XII, I think it's a great game.And the proper Final Fantasies (The Numbered Ones) have little or no chance of being released anywhere else other than the PS3 as I'm pretty sure Sony have a stake in Square.

I'm pretty sure that Hironobu Sakaguchi (creator of the final fantasy series) was involved up until Final Fanatsy 10. Correct me if I'm wrong.

With regards to final fantasy "numbered" titles being released on other consoles I'm pretty sure that you'll find that Final Fantasy 11 was released on the 360.

Biro

I think the way it is is that the 360 and the PS3 are the next generation in gaming consoles, whereas the Wii is a new generation in gaming.
I'm a game fan for years, since I got my first NES back in '88. I'm a long standing Nintendo fan, but seeing as I'm also a car nut, opted for the PS one in favour of the N64 at the time because of Gran Tourismo, despite Golden eye being the best game I've played to this date. I have a Gamecube and bought a PS2 for my sister a few years ago, and recently I bought the Wii at €249 from Argos thanks to someone on this site.
I now firmly believe that the Wii is the new future of gaming. If I brought out a new PS3 and lovely HD Tv to my home place, and showed them, my parents would just look and say "Oh, that looks realistic alright". And thats it. I brought the Wii out, and everyone was up playing it. Graphics are nothing without gameplay. Gran Tourismo 4 proved that. Looked great, but still didn't live up to the gameplay of 1 and 2, or even codemasters Colin McRea rally 2, all on the PS one. Project Gotham Racing should be the benchmark for Gran tourismo 5 on the PS3, because it's the best racing game I've played. (My cousin has a 360). I never liked the original X-box, but now I favour the 360 over all the current information on the PS3. Unless it amazes me when I do play one, then I can't see my mind being changed either.
In my opinion (and probably most would disagree with it), the Wii is the new future for gaming, while the other 2 are the future for graphics. But graphics will only go so far. It's up to the developers now. But the PS3 regardless is just too expensive for a gaming machine. And boasting about a linux OS on it is just silly. If I want a PC, I'll get one.
I think that a person's money would be better spent on a Wii plus X-Box 360 rather than just one PS3. You'd have the best of both worlds then for the same money. Whatever happens, it's great to see a 3-horse race this time around, no matter who's your favourite, and lets hope it brings a new generation of awesome games!

Retr0gamer

CodeMonkey wrote:

Haven't played FF12 so I can't comment. Will get it when the EU version comes out. If FF12 is getting universal good reviews then I can't imagine it to be that bad and you make it sound like the Vagrant Story team is not capable of producing good games. I would rate Vagrant Story as one of the best none Final Fantasy console rpgs.

I loved Vagrant Story as well despite it's flaws. I know FF12 is getting great reviews, I just found it a complete bore. It's also a Final Fantasy game in name only. It plays nothing like the older ones. It seems square are more interested in consolidating FF into a big franchise and tried to tie the gameplay of FFXI into a single player game. It just ends up feeling like a bad version of KotoR, another game that was universally praised but I didn't think much of.

I remember FFVIII was universally acclaimed on release but is now considered to be not the best.

BlitzKrieg

CodeMonkey wrote:

You should maybe go check the sales figures of FF10 and FF12 in the states. I have no idea how you can say that its main market is Japan.

Oh I know its big in America, but its not designed with the notion that America is its main market. Final Fantasy is designed for Japan, same as dragon quest and blue dragon. They may be successful in america but the developers designed the game with Japanese consumers in mind, then released it over in the US. If it had America as its focused market then Final Fantasy would have had a US release first or at the same time.


My argument is the PS3 is only (at the moment) a choice for japanese developers developing for Japan, anyone developing for an American market would consider the 360 as a more profitable platform or go multiplatform.

example: Capcom, games which were seen as american focused products were released on the 360 (dead Rising, Lost Planet) while games which are no doubt popular in America, but are first and formost for the japanese market go to the PS2 and PS3 (all of the Clover (RIP) titles, Devil May Cry franchise etc.)

Even if MGS4 or FF13 goes multiplatform it'll still shift a lot of PS3 is it's initially only available on the PS3.

I believe MGS4 has already shifted enough PS3s, I'm pretty sure anyone asked why they were getting a PS3 has mentioned MGS4.

What I believe though is without any definite date, it wont shift enough PS3s. When a date is confirmed and later when the game is released, the number of PS3s being sold will increase each time.

But its release date hasnt been confirmed and because Metal Gear Solid is for the American market (first release was in the US for both MGS 2 and 3) there is a very reasonable chance that it will go multi-platform. And if its announced before the ps3 version is released (very likely without a release date) then it will take alot of thunder out of the PS3's sales.



On a side note, apart from the usual amount of yearly multiplatforms from EA and Ubisoft, are the majority of the developers for the PS3 European or Japanese...the two markets which the 360 cant make headway in.

lookinforpicnic

Biro wrote:

In my opinion (and probably most would disagree with it), the Wii is the new future for gaming, while the other 2 are the future for graphics.


Completely agree biro and a reckon alot of people would. The gaming industry for me was becoming too specialised on a specific way of playing, which had the effect of alienating people who haven't got the required skill to play or the confidence to give it a go. Even certain genre's of games were been played by certain people..you'd have the guys who were good a FPS's, at pro evo, or at racing games or whatever. Either way what envitably happens in a party is that the console becomes anti-social - fun only for a select few.
The Wii i think has brought back the 'game' element to the gaming industry, everyone can get involved or understand whats going on due to intuitive controls, parents, girlfriends, and people who have never touched a console all do get involved and its wonderful to see. And if anyone think that emphasis on the fun side of gaming reduces the depth or satisfaction of a game they simply haven't played the Wii, due to the controls when for example you get a strike in bowling it feels like you contributed to every slight waver of the bowling bowl something which isn't possible (to the same extent) with a controller. This adds depth and for people who think the Wii is just a party console they are mistaken, depth is there if you want it particularly with some of the titles on the way.
Graphics who cares...obvoiusly alot of people..but why, better graphics don't make a better game, they make it more imersive but the Wii can beat any console hands down in the level of immersion while playing. Goldeneye did everything ones needs in a FPS, games that followed it timesplitters 2, halo 1&2 bettered it in graphics but after playing the hell out of all this games, Goldeneye can completly hold its own. Adding more and more pixels to a games presentation after a certain point does not change game quality, the dynamics of the game are still the same.

chump

I'd agree the wii is not cheap.

The console costs 270euro in most places. You NEED at least one extra controller and nunchuck, thats 70 euro. So 340euro. Then toss in another game 60euro.

So you have the console, 2 controllers, 1 bundled game (great as it is) and 1 other game for 400euro.

Those xb360 deals with 2 controllers and multiple games for slightly above 400 have been widely available.

Now that said, in Argos, and others stores are bound to follow once the hype dies down, the Wii is cheaper and you can get decent savings with bundles.

Biro

lookinforpicnic wrote:

Biro wrote:

In my opinion (and probably most would disagree with it), the Wii is the new future for gaming, while the other 2 are the future for graphics.


Completely agree biro and a reckon alot of people would. The gaming industry for me was becoming too specialised on a specific way of playing, which had the effect of alienating people who haven't got the required skill to play or the confidence to give it a go. Even certain genre's of games were been played by certain people..you'd have the guys who were good a FPS's, at pro evo, or at racing games or whatever. Either way what envitably happens in a party is that the console becomes anti-social - fun only for a select few.
The Wii i think has brought back the 'game' element to the gaming industry, everyone can get involved or understand whats going on due to intuitive controls, parents, girlfriends, and people who have never touched a console all do get involved and its wonderful to see. And if anyone think that emphasis on the fun side of gaming reduces the depth or satisfaction of a game they simply haven't played the Wii, due to the controls when for example you get a strike in bowling it feels like you contributed to every slight waver of the bowling bowl something which isn't possible (to the same extent) with a controller. This adds depth and for people who think the Wii is just a party console they are mistaken, depth is there if you want it particularly with some of the titles on the way.
Graphics who cares...obvoiusly alot of people..but why, better graphics don't make a better game, they make it more imersive but the Wii can beat any console hands down in the level of immersion while playing. Goldeneye did everything ones needs in a FPS, games that followed it timesplitters 2, halo 1&2 bettered it in graphics but after playing the hell out of all this games, Goldeneye can completly hold its own. Adding more and more pixels to a games presentation after a certain point does not change game quality, the dynamics of the game are still the same.

Ya, you're on the same wavelength as me!

Retr0gamer

All my friends that I work in the lab with don't play video games at all and I'm continually slagged off about my hobby. The best thing the Wii did for me was to get them all playing it at a session before we went out. It got really competitive and we didn't even make it to the pub we were having so much fun. They're all asking when I'm bringing it down next

It's a fantastic way of breaking down the ignorance barrier that make many people conceive videogames as kids toys and a waste of time (well maybe they are a waste of time ). All that was needed was to get these people to pick up the controller and start having fun instantly instead of presenting them with a steep learning curve in both controls and difficulty that acts as a barrier that you must get over before you appreciate the game. In that way the Nintendo Wii is doing more for advancing videogames than the PS3 or Xbox360 ever will.

BlitzKrieg

you work in a lab?

Retr0gamer

With my henchmen. If the tests go well my uber monkeys will have taken over the world by February.

If the truth be told I'm a chemistry PhD student.

BlitzKrieg

funky...here I was thinking you were some games guru who lived in a alley off henry street where the snes and saturns of dublin are hooked directly into your veins...

Retr0gamer

BlitzKrieg wrote:

funky...here I was thinking you were some games guru who lived in a alley off henry street where the snes and saturns of dublin are hooked directly into your veins...

I'm not that bad, I think.

Maybe I do have a problem

monkeyfudge

Did you get yourself a Dreamcast in the end, retro?

Retr0gamer

Yep got one thanks to jesusthatsgre.

Haven't had much time with it since I picked it up so close to the Wii launch. I'm looking for a way to play border down without having to part with 200 euro on ebay. There's 2 new DC shmups out in january and february Still haven't found a way to play imports though,

BlitzKrieg

if you cant find them, I offer we arrange a gaming night and powerstone 2 and other dc/wii games

monkeyfudge

I got myself the Dreamcast arcade stick not too long ago.

Ikaruga + Arcade Stick = Yum!

I even got the Samba De Amigo maracas too... but I haven't tried them out yet... I'm scared to actually... I don't think it will live up to my monkey related expectations.

BlitzKrieg

trying to think what DC games I own...pretty predictable lot.

the two powerstones, Sould Calibur, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2...Shenmue 1 and 2...Toy Commander, resident evil code veronica...Metropolis street racer. worms armeggedon and crazy taxi.

hmm never got as many games for it as I did my Saturn But I loved what I had.

Conar

I own both the 360 and the Wii and I certainly don't consider the Wii to be cheap.
Firstly it cost me 310 for the Wii with Sport and Play and the extra remote.
25 for another nunchuck.
25 for the Wii classic controller.
20 for the component cable.
60 for Zelda.

I do enjoy my wii but lets face it your paying a load of money for a new type of controller.
Wii Sport is good but to play Boxing as a multi player you definitely need another nunchuck so its hardly a ready to party out of the box solution.
If you value a new remote and nunchuck at 60 euro that means that Nintendo are valueing the Console with Wii Sports at circa 200 yoyo's when given the capabilities of the hardware I think thats hardly cheap.
Oh here's another point.....you can play Gamecube games, but if you want to save them you need to buy a Gamecube memory card cos the internal memory nor an SD card will work with them. Surely they could have managed that somehow.
Also I find that Wii Sports and Wii Play are mainly party only games.
I have tried to sit on my own and play both a few times but without a crowd they kinda suck (but with a crowd they are great).

I know that probably sounds like I don't like my Wii....I really do, and my daughter does too which was one of my aims.....but I certainly don't class it as a cheap console.

With regards to other people comments about graphics, I aggree that graphics don't make the game, and neither do effects make the film, but in both cases they certainly add to the realism and I think great graphics can make an otherwise mediocre game a lot better and a great game AWESOME (Gears of War).

If I had to chose between my 360 and my Wii right now I would definitely pick my 360 without hesitation as for graphics and online content it hammers the Wii into the ground.
Maybe in 1 year I'll be thinking different, but I doubt I'll buy the PS3 anyway as I don't see it offering me much more than I currently get from the other 2.

Vyse

Retr0gamer wrote:

Yep got one thanks to jesusthatsgre.

Haven't had much time with it since I picked it up so close to the Wii launch. I'm looking for a way to play border down without having to part with 200 euro on ebay. There's 2 new DC shmups out in january and february Still haven't found a way to play imports though,

I have Border Down for the DC, got it from Lik-Sang. Didn't open it for a year and then finally did, played it for about 10mins and then turned it off. Should have never opened the bloody thing, would be worth more if I didn't.

sprinkles

I can't understand how people are saying the wii is expensive based on your need to buy the extras. It's the same for every console.

You don't need anything extra to use the console straight out of the box, even for multiplayer games (share the wiimote).

However the same can't be said for any other consoles. you need to buy a game as you don't get one with it. An extra controller is optional.

If you are going to compare the price of the wii + extra wiimote + nunchuck + classic controller + game then at least compare it to the price of the 360 + game + controller + subscription to xbl............ like for like.

Conar

sprinkles wrote:

I can't understand how people are saying the wii is expensive based on your need to buy the extras. It's the same for every console.

You don't need anything extra to use the console straight out of the box, even for multiplayer games (share the wiimote).

However the same can't be said for any other consoles. you need to buy a game as you don't get one with it. An extra controller is optional.

If you are going to compare the price of the wii + extra wiimote + nunchuck + classic controller + game then at least compare it to the price of the 360 + game + controller + subscription to xbl............ like for like.

If you're referring to my comments I wasn't comparing it to another console I was just saying that I didn't find it to be a "cheap console". Even without any extras I wouldn't consider it cheap. At the end of the day they must be cheap as chips to manufacture cos its all old technology they're using.

You can't share the Wiimote for tennis or boxing though so I do feel at least another Wiimote is necessary, though that just allows for tennis still not boxing. You are correct in saying that you don't need to buy the rest though but I honestly don't see the majority of people being able to sit and play Wii Sports for even a few weeks without going getting another game, especially if they don't have company all the time to play along with. There isn't one single game in Wii sports that has new levels to unlock by completing lower levels etc so its not exactly a full game. I think its just packaged with the console to ive you an idea of what its capable of.

Vegeta

You are also comparing a console which has just launced to a console that is a year old.

This time next year compare the price of Wii bundles to current 360 bundles then you have a fair comparison.

The Wii at this stage of its life as launch console is a cheap console

sprinkles

The console is being sold at a profit. This leaves Nintendo in the position that they can pick and choose the 3rd party dev's for the console ala their other consoles. There's an arguement for and against doing this but it ultimately weeds out the cr*p. Sony and MS need to allow everythign through to make money as they are loosing cash on the consoles... although MS doesn't seem to be pushing to get games out there quickly.

Whatever the reasons behind the price I still think it's cheap if you base it on how fun it is and how much you'll get out of it (Graphics are just cosmetics and are usually used to hide the flaws). On the point that it's all old hardware, that's rubbish. It's completely new. Google the specs on it and read up about the development of the chip etc and you'll see that it's far more than a GC with a new box. And then there's the wiimotes!

Retr0gamer

BlitzKrieg wrote:

if you cant find them, I offer we arrange a gaming night and powerstone 2 and other dc/wii games

Hmmm... Sounds like fun. I've been playing a lot of Powerstone 2 myself. It's really like Smash bros.

BlitzKrieg

I just got my Wii

*happy*


Sadly I wont be able to pick up any new games etc until next week cause the wii put my wallet in a severe beating...but wii sports is worth it.

Where can I get Wii VC points???


Also on this proposed gaming night...I have Guitar Heroes 1 + 2 with 2 guitars...:D

johnny_ultimate

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Also on this proposed gaming night...I have Guitar Heroes 1 + 2 with 2 guitars...:D

I would strongly argue that said combination is the best multiplayer concoction ever concocted by man.

koneko

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Also on this proposed gaming night...I have Guitar Heroes 1 + 2 with 2 guitars...:D

Awesome
I have the same, brought them over to bf's family for Christmas, and NO ONE wanted to play. Bastards. So I played it by myself for a bit. It was sad.

BlitzKrieg

my arm ****ing hurts after an hour or three of wii sports...serious pain here

goddamn bowling pisses me off...but tennis and boxing