Basic Or Premium?

AceCard Jones

Out of everyone here who is getting the Playstation 3, what model are you going to get?And why are you choosing that model?Is it money or features?
If you choose one model will you ever settle for the other for whatever reason in the future?

Premium all the way for me.

ricey

Is it still on for a march rls?

:EDIT:

Premium for me too, if u are going to spend the money on one
you should get the best.

AceCard Jones

There have been no changes made to the March release date.
More information will most probably be given at events in February.
And I agree with you completely if you're going to buy a PS3 you may as well spend the extra €150 for all the extra features, most of which I need anyway.

andyps2.5

Premium just for the Wi-Fi. I want the online multiplayer

Winters

Afaik, the Europe launch is going to be mostly premium PS3's and only a small amount of basic ones. I think Sony said that somewhere, then again most of what they seem to say these days is bull****

If I was to get one, it would be the Premium. Why would someone bother with the sub standard basic package I do not know.

However, for me to get one I would need to be persuaded. As it is the PS3 is losing out to the x360 in quality on most HDTV's due to the Xbox's ANA upscaling chip. The x360 will upscale a 720p signal to 1080i where a ps3 can only down scale the signal, a.k.a only run 720p on a 1080i screen etc. I can see a future hardware revision on the PS3 in the not too distant future. That is, unless through some magical fluke everyone buys 1080p screens and every ps3 game is released in 1080p.

Also, their PS3 to PSP connectivity still seems bollix, well, until their expected March firmware update. I want my PSP to control my ps3 and other such class stuff. They could have a *real* winner with it if they do it right. A wireless video remote control ... or something awesome! Please sony, stop overhyping **** and not delivering and actually do something smart with the amazing technology at your disposal

[sorry for the rant]

Kanney

I have it pre booked. But wondering what prices are wel looking at... I'm now saving looking at 600euro. And is it a Paddys Day release (17th march)

Ciaran500

It'll be about €630 for just the console.

Kanney

Balls.

andyps2.5

Its not about the HD. It about the games. The price is just something we have to put up with.

Ciaran500

andyps2.5 wrote:

Its not about the HD. It about the games.

Huh

andyps2.5

What do you mean "Huh"? I want ps3 for the games. I don't care about the HD.

Ciaran500

andyps2.5 wrote:

What do you mean "Huh"? I want ps3 for the games. I don't care about the HD.

HD = High Definition
HDD = Hard disk drive

I assume you mean HDD.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Premium............ deffo, same as with the 360, why settle for less?? Won't be getting one at launch though, may have to wait untill 2008.
I know it can be tempting to get the lower spec versions to save a bit of money, but the higher spec ones are well worth the bit extra, its like cars, you are always much happier with the higher spec one.

Winters............ the 1080i res is viewable on any tv/monitor capable of 720p, as it is a lower res. so why or how would the 360 have to upscale to a lower res??

andyps2.5

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

Premium............ deffo, same as with the 360, why settle for less?? Won't be getting one at launch though, may have to wait untill 2008.

2008?? I know their is high antisipation for the ps3 but 2007 is just of the ground. If you don't book your ps3 I'm guessing a month waiting. Month and half tops.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

andyps2.5 wrote:

2008?? I know their is high antisipation for the ps3 but 2007 is just of the ground. If you don't book your ps3 I'm guessing a month waiting. Month and half tops.

I mean when I will have the time to play with it and the cash to buy it will probably be 2008, or maybe Christmas this year if I am lucky.:D

Vegeta

andyps2.5 wrote:

2008?? I know their is high antisipation for the ps3 but 2007 is just of the ground. If you don't book your ps3 I'm guessing a month waiting. Month and half tops.

The Wii is out over a month and people are still strugglin to get them and they are very easy to manufacture compared to the PS3.

You'd get one in 2007 but i'd say it'll be very very tough to get one due to the Sony fan base in Ireland snapping them up

Ciaran500

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

Winters............ the 1080i res is viewable on any tv/monitor capable of 720p, as it is a lower res. so why or how would the 360 have to upscale to a lower res??

The problem is not every TV before the HD standards were used can display 720p but only accept interlaced signals.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Ciaran500 wrote:

The problem is not every TV before the HD standards were used can display 720p but only accept interlaced signals.

Well yeah, a TV would have to have a verticle res of 720 or higher to display a 720p image. But as 1080i only outputs 540 lines of info per frame or field. So why would 720 have to be upscaled??

Anyway, it was just a small question to winters, I don't want to hi-jack this thread!!

Sorry AceCard

Ciaran500

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

Well yeah, a TV would have to have a verticle res of 720 or higher to display a 720p image. But as 1080i only outputs 540 lines of info per frame or field. So why would 720 have to be upscaled??

We're not talking about fixed pixel displays LCD/Plasma

andyps2.5

Sorry I think thats my fault were supposed to talking about which version of ps3 were getting then I think I changed topic to HD.

Sorry AceCard
And as for FuzzyWuzzyWazza I guess I hijacked the thread first.:D

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Ciaran500 wrote:

We're not talking about fixed pixel displays LCD/Plasma

Is there any other kind?????

Ciaran500

The thick chunky CRT TV's aren't fixed pixel displays.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Ciaran500 wrote:

The thick chunky CRT TV's aren't fixed pixel displays.

Ok, so a CRT is not a 'FPD', I don't know much abour CRT's, so I don't see how this effects the signal.

How can a CRT display a 1080i signal that has bee upscaled from 720p? Or to put it another way if it can't display 720p signal how is the signal that it can display upscaled?

Ciaran500

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

How can a CRT display a 1080i signal that has bee upscaled from 720p? Or to put it another way if it can't display 720p signal how is the signal that it can display upscaled?

Because most CRT's display images interlaced, so some are only setup to accept interlaced images. If they want to accept a progressive image they need to interlace the image first which some TV's can't do. But any modern CRT TV will either display the image progressively or interlace before it displays it.




But I'd probably go for the basic version

Winters

The Playstation 3 however can’t go up, only down. So a 720p native game can only display at 720p, 540p or 480p at the moment.

http://www.2old2play.com/News/ANA__Microsoft_s_Ace_In_The_Hole

Effectivly, unless *all* developers produce their games in 1080p, the PS3 is only going to be showing them in 720p. It will not be upscaling them to 1080i/p ... unlike the Xbox 360. What is also surprising is that the Xbox360 games are apparently proving better then PS3 games, even after upscaling.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

Winters............ the 1080i res is viewable on any tv/monitor capable of 720p, as it is a lower res. so why or how would the 360 have to upscale to a lower res??

1080i is not a lower resolution then 720p. 1080i/p run at a resolution of 1,920x1,080, 720p runs at a resolution of 1,280x720. TV's that support 720p will usually be able to support a 1080i/p input but will only be showing it at the lower resolution of 720. The difference is between the type of scan, either progressive [p] or interlaced . Interlaced works by only refreshing every other line on a display on each refresh url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlace]wiki[/url. Progressive works by refreshing the entire image on each refresh url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_scan]wiki[/url. Interlaced images are fine for static objects but for fast moving objects/sports etc. progressive scan is better. A lot of people however may notice notice the difference, particularly depending on the game in question.

So, 1080p/i are a larger resolution then 720p. But 720p HDTV's will accecpt a 1080i/p image and just downscale it to 720p.

AceCard Jones

No reason to apologise, this happens to every thread made.
I can't wait for this machine though, I think if it does somehow for whatever reason get delayed again I'll be crushed.I have had it booked since August for God's sake!!!

andyps2.5

I don’t think they can delay it now. For one thing the US and Japan have their machines. The second reason is some shops have started pre-ordering.

Ciaran500

andyps2.5 wrote:

I don’t think they can delay it now. For one thing the US and Japan have their machines. The second reason is some shops have started pre-ordering.

It was 2 months before launch when they originally announced the European delay.

Winters

Winters wrote:

Effectivly, unless *all* developers produce their games in 1080p, the PS3 is only going to be showing them in 720p

Just to add ... looks like MotorStorm is only running at 30fps 720p and not the Sony hyped up 60fps at 1080p Kudos to Sony's wonderful PR with the PS3 console. They really keep overhyping themselves. Its a pity.

Burning Eclipse

Winters wrote:

Just to add ... looks like MotorStorm is only running at 30fps 720p and not the Sony hyped up 60fps at 1080p Kudos to Sony's wonderful PR with the PS3 console. They really keep overhyping themselves. Its a pity.

While I'm not overly impressed with what I've seen of gameplay, it is an excellent game graphically... I just wish people (ie sony) would get over this 60 fps 1080p bull****. First Resistance, now this... They still look pretty!!!

Edge put it pretty well in their Resistance review... When people learned that PGR3 was gonna be 30 fps a lot of them complained or commented, but few complained upon release.


To add something meaningful to the thread... Neither for me, as I'm saving for a HDTV.

andyps2.5

Sony won't stop talking about HD this or 1080p that. Their hypeing us up to sell us the ps3. I just wish they would us the ps3 and let us find out for ourselves. But because of blu-ray problems and tranlations problems we have wait for March.

AceCard Jones

Wasn't it not the issue of longer manufacturing times of the BluRay Diode, rather than actual problems with the Diodes themselves?

andyps2.5

I don't know. All I heard was there problems with the european version of BluRay and problems with general translation software. The translation software I understand but I'm starting to is BluRay worth the wait. Even if we had the hardware we probably won't see a BluRay disc for a long time.

ricey

I can see the PS3 winning this war.. it has so much to offer
with linux running on it.

MrVestek

ricey wrote:

I can see the PS3 winning this war.. it has so much to offer
with linux running on it.

The original Xbox can run Linux, so can the Dreamcast, the gamecube and certain modified PS2's. It's just Sony trying to class the thing as a computer for lower taxes. It's hardly a reason to love the machine and think it's going to win out, much as I love linux it's hardly gonna save a console.

ricey

Ya of im not going to doubt that linux will save it
but im looking at the ps3 as a total media center
kind of console.

andyps2.5

ricey wrote:

Ya of im not going to doubt that linux will save it
but im looking at the ps3 as a total media center
kind of console.

Well with BluRay you will get your total media center. I just hope BluRay is worth the wait.

LookingFor

Winters wrote:

Effectivly, unless *all* developers produce their games in 1080p, the PS3 is only going to be showing them in 720p.

Hmmm...?

If a game is 1080p, regardless of what other developers will do, it will be output at 1080p if you have a 1080p screen.

If you don't, it will output at 1080i. If your TV cannot accept a 1080i signal (rare), it will output at SD.

The developer, regardless, can choose to support multiple resolutions if they wish, including 720p explicitly for those few TVs that are 720p but don't accept a 1080i signal. Of course, most games are rendering natively at 720p anyway.

The only place this is a noteable issue is perhaps with Blu-ray. Where if you have a 720p TV, the PS3 will pass a 1080i signal and leave your TV to do the scaling. You'll have seen some complaints about that from videophiles, but I have this exact setup at home, and the movies look absolutely fantastic to me, so I'm not too concerned about that.

Achilles wrote:

The original Xbox can run Linux, so can the Dreamcast, the gamecube and certain modified PS2's. It's just Sony trying to class the thing as a computer for lower taxes. It's hardly a reason to love the machine and think it's going to win out, much as I love linux it's hardly gonna save a console.

It's not about taxes, as those taxes no longer apply to game consoles at all. The difference between PS3 and Xbox is that PS3 does not require any modification. Linux installation is actively encouraged, and made very easy. I agree it won't save a system, but for some people it is a very attractive bonus. It could be more attractive for many more if certain software is developed for it - media, HTPC style software etc. If the software for that emerges, you could have a great games machine and a great HTPC in one, which would be very nice.

As for the original poster's question, I went for a 20GB PS3, and I'd recommend it unless you really want wireless. Personally I prefer wired networking for a games system, I think it's more reliable. If you want more hard disk space, a HDD upgrade will cost you far less than the €100 price difference between the two versions. All of that said, I think you should wait to see if the 20GB PS3 will even be available in Ireland - there's talk that only the 60GB model will be available in the UK (and so probably Ireland too).

AceCard Jones

What version of Linux is everyone here installing?
I have decided to just go with Yellow Dog, it looks really good.

LookingFor

Yellow Dog looks like the most suitable right now. I have it burned on a disc and ready to install, but waiting for a wireless keyboard/mouse.

Right now it's probably only gonna be of interest if you want to develop on the system. Designed-for-PS3 applications will take a little while to emerge but when they do there'll probably be more interesting stuff for just the general end user. It'd be really great to see some high def media centre software for example.

AceCard Jones

I seen it available to download also, but I figured what's the point when you can just download the latest build when the PS3 comes out.
There are sure to be a few tweaks made by the time March gets here.

Ciaran500

LookingFor wrote:

The only place this is a noteable issue is perhaps with Blu-ray. Where if you have a 720p TV, the PS3 will pass a 1080i signal and leave your TV to do the scaling. You'll have seen some complaints about that from videophiles, but I have this exact setup at home, and the movies look absolutely fantastic to me, so I'm not too concerned about that.

It will be a problem if people want to play their PS3 on their PC monitor if they want a cheap HD experience. Unless they have a wide screen monitor they will be stuck with a horribly squashed and stretched image.

blorg

Linux is a draw for people like us, but I would be surprised if such people constitute more than a tiny fraction of a percentage point of the potential market. In other words, Linux is not going to save the PS3. In fact, it is looking unlikely that anything will save the PS3.

kaizersoze123

Agreed. PS3 is looking in a lot of trouble right now..

from ign.com


"According to an interview in Game Informer magazine, Valve co-founder Gabe Newell has a few bitter words to share on the PlayStation 3. He doesn't pull his punches, calling the system a 'total disaster'.

The quote, sourced from the NeoGAF forums, must be a bitter pill for Sony to swallow, considering the prominence of the source from which it came. Newell is unquestionably a heavyweight in the industry - and another high profile name added to a list of developers voicing dissent against Sony's console.

According to Newell, "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over". Just say, "This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it". The happy story is the Wii. I'm betting that by Christmas of next year, Nintendo Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I'm crazy. I really like everything that Nintendo is doing."

Them's fightin' words, we think. "

andyps2.5

kaizersoze123 wrote:

According to Newell, "The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over". Just say, "This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it". The happy story is the Wii. I'm betting that by Christmas of next year, Nintendo Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I'm crazy. I really like everything that Nintendo is doing."

Them's fightin' words, we think. "

They are fighting words. I don't know who this Newell is but he sounds like someone playing favorites. And a reviewer or critic who play favorites are the worst type.

blorg

Newell is co-founder of Valve which developed Half-Life. He is not the only game developer to voice dissatisfaction.

LookingFor

Ciaran500 wrote:

It will be a problem if people want to play their PS3 on their PC monitor if they want a cheap HD experience. Unless they have a wide screen monitor they will be stuck with a horribly squashed and stretched image.

The same would be true even if the PS3 rescaled the image to 720p itself, since 720p is a widescreen aspect ratio. If you view that on a non-widescreen display, then you'll have a squashed/stretched image regardless.

Unless you are suggesting the PS3 ought to scale to any custom resolution and support PC monitor resolutions etc. which would be great. But the most common complaint is the lack of native 720p output for Blu-ray movies - which I'm pointing out is a small complaint as is, IMO, judging how good the movies look anyway when passed as 1080i to a 720p display.

Ciaran500

LookingFor wrote:

The same would be true even if the PS3 rescaled the image to 720p itself, since 720p is a widescreen aspect ratio. If you view that on a non-widescreen display, then you'll have a squashed/stretched image regardless.

Unless you are suggesting the PS3 ought to scale to any custom resolution and support PC monitor resolutions etc. which would be great.

I mean do it like the 360 where any 4:3 images are scaled to the resolution of the monitor and it adds bars to the top and bottom of a 16:9 image so that its displays at the native res of the monitor and is in the proper format.

kaizersoze123

blorg wrote:

Newell is co-founder of Valve which developed Half-Life. He is not the only game developer to voice dissatisfaction.

Indeed. John Carmack, of Doom fame, expressed similiar comments recently

steviec

Wow ign.com have picked up that Newell story? I heard about it a few days ago, and someone who actually bothered to do some investigation found it originated on some random forum claiming it was in an interview on Game Informer which there isn't actually any trace of.

ambro25

According to this tidbit of information, it looks like it's Premium only for Ireland at launch time.

Don't forget to buy some lube at the same time as you put your deposit down