At last ... the religions unite!

Goodshape

Ah, I see where you're coming from, and I disagree

Assuming we're talking about believing in something when the actual facts aren't absolute (as the existence of fact negates the need for belief) then I think you can indeed choose to believe one idea over another, and change that idea from one day to the next.

There are countless options to choose from tbh, limiting yourself to just one for an entire lifetime might get a bit dull. You could at least choose to entertain the notion of another possibility - and then who knows, you may grow to believe it yourself.

Dades

Goodshape wrote:

There are countless options to choose from tbh, limiting yourself to just one for an entire lifetime might get a bit dull. You could at least choose to entertain the notion of another possibility - and then who knows, you may grow to believe it yourself.

You're assuming things that weren't said at all. What gives?

Where did anyone mention maintaining a belief for an entire lifetime? Or suggest that other options aren't entertained? Anyhow the idea that holding a single belief for a long time is dull, is hardly a logical reason to *choose* another.

Goodshape

I hate things like this. We're obviously taking different things from what was said, sorry.

To me the idea of not being able to choose a belief means you are stuck with the belief system that is handed down to you, whatever that may be, for your entire lifetime.

I guess you could argue that your *actual* *belief* may change regardless of any personal choice in the matter. Is that what your saying? I guess I can agree with that but I think also that you are free to choose a lot of the time.

The Atheist wrote:

Anyhow the idea that holding a single belief for a long time is dull, is hardly a logical reason to *choose* another.

Since when have logic and reason had a part to play in religious beliefs?

Dades

Goodshape wrote:

I hate things like this. We're obviously taking different things from what was said, sorry.

To me the idea of not being able to choose a belief means you are stuck with the belief system that is handed down to you, whatever that may be, for your entire lifetime.

I guess you could argue that your *actual* *belief* may change regardless of any personal choice in the matter. Is that what your saying? I guess I can agree with that but I think also that you are free to choose a lot of the time.


Since when have logic and reason had a part to play in religious beliefs?

I kinda thought we weren't in disagreement, just misinterpreting the language.

Of course I think you are free to choose another belief than the one handed down to you. My point was that *choice* is ultimately limited to what you actually find you believe in. This wouldn't need to be iterated were it not for the fact that a lot of people are guilty of choosing to believe something because it's more comfortable than the alternative.

pH

Jesusandmo's take on the story:
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/01/25/sucks/