Minister leaves Tallaght decision to Council

ANXIOUS

The prospect of Gaelic games being played at the proposed Tallaght Stadium has increased following an apparent climbdown by Sports Minister John O’Donoghue.

The Minister had previously taken a very hard-line stance on the development, insisting that the GAA would not have access to the proposed new home of Shamrock Rovers. But a recent statement by the Kerry native indicates a distinct shift in attitude and leaves it up to South Dublin County Council ultimately to decide if any other sports can use it.

“While the stadium is scheduled for completion as a soccer facility, the Minister would have no objections to South Dublin County Council, which will manage the facility, sanctioning its use by other sporting bodies compatible with it remaining available for senior soccer fixtures,” the statement read.

The Minister’s insistence that the venue is soccer-only caused local councillors to change the initial terms of its planning which was for a multi-sport municipal facility – a decision which local GAA club Thomas Davis are contesting through the courts by seeking a judicial review.

That is due to be heard in the High Court on March 16 and is holding up the completion of the half-built venue.

Can you say climb down by the minister

applehunter

More like calling their bluff.

Don't think Shamrock Rovers would mind GAA as long as it doesnt delay the stadium or the size of the pitch.

Such a waste of time IMO. Why would any club want the hassle of a stadium like that is beyond me. I know my club has a great set up but has no interest in entertaining the senior championship in Cork.

ANXIOUS

I think that size of the pitch is going to have to be changed to fit gaa games. How do you mean the hassle? They are entitled to a proper staduim. They have been in tallaght for alot longer then shamrock rovers. Who would go anywhere if they thought there was a chance of a pitch. The site where the stadium is being built was original gaa pitchs. So they are only entitled to what they original had.

applehunter

What if it was only underage was allowed use it so pitch didnt have to change.

Would that be acceptable?

ANXIOUS

what would the point of that be? The pitches they had there before we're senior pitches. Also people always seem to forget the i.t. in tallaght which has won a couple of trench and fergal marr cups which isnt bad for a college with 2500 people, havent even got showers in the college let alone a pitch and they are competing in division 1 playing against the likes of ucd dcu and queens. so that stadium would be perfect for them

John32c

I think the actions of Thomas Davis GAA club are reprehensible in appealing the orginal decision of SDCC to develop the new ground in Tallaght's as SRFC's home ground as a soccer only venue. Their actions are purley selfish and are serving self interest ONLY.

I urge all Football fans in Ireland to write to their councillers/TD's and anyone they think can influence this decision to back SRFC and their pursuit of a Soccer ONLY ground in Tallaght as was originally agreed.

OhNoYouDidn't

but the Council unanimously voted it a soccer only venue.... twice :rolleyes: clutching at straws here lads.

more interesting is Thomas Davis banning FF TD Conor Lenehan for life from the clubhouse for refusing to back them.

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

I think that size of the pitch is going to have to be changed to fit gaa games..

AFAIK the stand has to be redeveloped aswell and reduced drastically in capacity.

Did you see the recent Ireland game at Croke park? The pitch was lost was out in the middle of the ground. The few hundred regular fans (or couple of thousand if it fills will be way too far away from the pitch than is acceptable. Especially at this stage when the ground is in the advance stages.

ANXIOUS wrote:

They are entitled to a proper staduim.

Why? Being in an area for X amount of time doesnt entitle anyone to anything. I've been in Tallaght for 26 years now, am I entitled to a house?

If thomas Davis had any interest in ownign a stadium they would have built one.

Plus Rovers will only be renting the ground from the council , they wont own anything.

OhNoYouDidn't

to accomodate a full size gaa pitch the existing stand, foundations for all four stands, the undersoil drainage will all have to be demolished, a new stadium designed and planning permission reapplied for.

this will take years and the maximum capacity that can be fitted on that site with a full size gaa pitch will be 2,000, a size the minister is unwilling to fund as its useless.

2,000 seats could easily be installed for a fraction of the cost on TD's facilities (one of their pitches is in decay, overgrown with the posts down) in a fraction of the time, if this were really about getting a facility as opposed to keeping Rovers out.

as seen by Kennedy's pathetic banning of a TD who wont back his stance, this has more to do with a spoilt brat of a chairman refusing to accept someone said no to him (and lets face it, the GAA rarely get turned down by the state) and squandering up to a million of association money on a legal case they cannot win.

the grab all association is alive and well/

Imposter

OhNoYouDidn't wrote:

the grab all association is alive and well/

That last quote makes any half sensible arguments you may have had null and void. I suppose you were for soccer in Croker because the taxpayer's paid for it, right?

OhNoYouDidn't

Imposter wrote:

That last quote makes any half sensible arguments you may have had null and void. I suppose you were for soccer in Croker because the taxpayer's paid for it, right?

absolutley not. its the GAA's ground and no strings were attached to the funding.

i just wish the GAA would afford other sports the same treatment they get.

you sould ask yourself the same question. if CP can recieve public funds and the GAA not be forced to share, why should Shamrock Rovers?

ANXIOUS

OhNoYouDidn't wrote:

but the Council unanimously voted it a soccer only venue.... twice :rolleyes: clutching at straws here lads.

more interesting is Thomas Davis banning FF TD Conor Lenehan for life from the clubhouse for refusing to back them.

Are you serious? talk about a troll

ANXIOUS

OhNoYouDidn't wrote:

to accomodate a full size gaa pitch the existing stand, foundations for all four stands, the undersoil drainage will all have to be demolished, a new stadium designed and planning permission reapplied for.

this will take years and the maximum capacity that can be fitted on that site with a full size gaa pitch will be 2,000, a size the minister is unwilling to fund as its useless.

2,000 seats could easily be installed for a fraction of the cost on TD's facilities (one of their pitches is in decay, overgrown with the posts down) in a fraction of the time, if this were really about getting a facility as opposed to keeping Rovers out.

as seen by Kennedy's pathetic banning of a TD who wont back his stance, this has more to do with a spoilt brat of a chairman refusing to accept someone said no to him (and lets face it, the GAA rarely get turned down by the state) and squandering up to a million of association money on a legal case they cannot win.

the grab all association is alive and well/

Is he the chairman?

OhNoYouDidn't

ANXIOUS wrote:

Are you serious? talk about a troll

Deadly serious. TD chairman Kennedy sent a letter to every memeber of TD explaining why they took the legal challenge and in it he announced he has banned a local FF TD from the clubhouse for refusing to publically side with TD. Ill scan it up if i can.

This is the level you are dealing with. Pure and utter vindictiveness. And the rest of the GAA are expected to defend this rodent out of loyalty to the association.

ANXIOUS

OhNoYouDidn't wrote:

Deadly serious. TD chairman Kennedy sent a letter to every memeber of TD explaining why they took the legal challenge and in it he announced he has banned a local FF TD from the clubhouse for refusing to publically side with TD. Ill scan it up if i can.

This is the level you are dealing with. Pure and utter vindictiveness. And the rest of the GAA are expected to defend this rodent out of loyalty to the association.

Do you know how silly/stupid that statement is? Firstly Dave kennedy is not the chairman of td never has been ok? I could easily tell you who it is but you dont really care so i wont bother. Secondly he cant bar anyone from td itd take some sort of resolution for a life banning to be handed down. Thirdly conor lenihain is not barred or anything like it from td he was there last thursday night for a benefit night for a young lad that was knocked down. Your not talking to some soccer fan here who is an expert in the stadium issue because he reads the sun. I know whats going on and you seem not to its as simple as that. Also he didnt send the letter to every td i belive it was just to mr ahern asking him to over rule the decision.

So if you think of it i just disproved all your "arguements"

kaimera

thirdmantackle,

Consider this your only warning. Keep it civil and no personal attacks.

/Andy\

John32c wrote:

I think the actions of Thomas Davis GAA club are reprehensible in appealing the orginal decision of SDCC to develop the new ground in Tallaght's as SRFC's home ground as a soccer only venue. Their actions are purley selfish and are serving self interest ONLY.

I urge all Football fans in Ireland to write to their councillers/TD's and anyone they think can influence this decision to back SRFC and their pursuit of a Soccer ONLY ground in Tallaght as was originally agreed.

But surely football fans don't want it to be a soccer only ground? Oh, you mean SOCCER fans

Bobser

Doubt the minister will make any contraversial decisions only weeks before an election

ANXIOUS

Well bobser haven read all the proaganda that the td's are sending around lately i would be inclined to agree with you no one is actually saying if they are for or against it just that they are working towards a favourable solution.

Guy:Incognito

I assume this was the letter that was never written, that doesnt say conor lenihan isnt welcome in TD if he doesnt support them?

http://www.hostingdamnit.com/download.php?file=146DD949

I'll save time and direct you to the middle of page 2.

OhNoYouDidn't

ANXIOUS wrote:

Do you know how silly/stupid that statement is? Firstly Dave kennedy is not the chairman of td never has been ok? I could easily tell you who it is but you dont really care so i wont bother. Secondly he cant bar anyone from td itd take some sort of resolution for a life banning to be handed down. Thirdly conor lenihain is not barred or anything like it from td he was there last thursday night for a benefit night for a young lad that was knocked down. Your not talking to some soccer fan here who is an expert in the stadium issue because he reads the sun. I know whats going on and you seem not to its as simple as that. Also he didnt send the letter to every td i belive it was just to mr ahern asking him to over rule the decision.

So if you think of it i just disproved all your "arguements"

what stekelly posted.

you can apologise whenever you want you spoofer.

every member of Thomas Davis (what a disgrace his behaviour is to the memory of this great patriot) got this letter.

I repeat,a nasty, vindictive, petty, spoilt little man. How is banning a Fianna Fail Teachta Dail and Minister for State from your club house in any way shape or form part of the GAA culture?

He has gone too far and someone should reign him in.

The papers tomorrow will be great....

Grow up anxious, Kennedy is a stain on the GAA with this sort of behaviour.

applehunter

ANXIOUS wrote:

Do you know how silly/stupid that statement is? Firstly Dave kennedy is not the chairman of td never has been ok? I could easily tell you who it is but you dont really care so i wont bother. Secondly he cant bar anyone from td itd take some sort of resolution for a life banning to be handed down. Thirdly conor lenihain is not barred or anything like it from td he was there last thursday night for a benefit night for a young lad that was knocked down. Your not talking to some soccer fan here who is an expert in the stadium issue because he reads the sun. I know whats going on and you seem not to its as simple as that. Also he didnt send the letter to every td i belive it was just to mr ahern asking him to over rule the decision.

So if you think of it i just disproved all your "arguements"

The letter is available in black and white not for all to see now feen.

Full of errors and propaganda as a far as I can see.

According to "Mein Kampf" Rovers haven't put any money into the ground as it stands? I find that very hard to believe.

Is this supported from the top of the GAA?

ANXIOUS

Ok so seen as i am positive you read the letter can you now tell me if dave kennedy is the chairman of thomas davis?

To ste kelly did i say that letter wasnt written and too everyone but mainly OhNoYouDidn't at the recent meeting of the dublin board there was a voted on wheter or not to support td and it was passed unamiously and as the dublin chairman put it recently every club in dublin is behind you.

I think its time that rovers fans just accepted that its in the common good that gaa be played in the tallaght stadium.

applehunter

ANXIOUS wrote:

Ok so seen as i am positive you read the letter can you now tell me if dave kennedy is the chairman of thomas davis?

To ste kelly did i say that letter wasnt written and too everyone but mainly OhNoYouDidn't at the recent meeting of the dublin board there was a voted on wheter or not to support td and it was passed unamiously and as the dublin chairman put it recently every club in dublin is behind you.

I think its time that rovers fans just accepted that its in the common good that gaa be played in the tallaght stadium.

I didn't mean in reference to the chairman.

Underage GAA can play there is the pitch doesnt have to be changed. Thats the whole point.

ANXIOUS

applehunter wrote:

I didn't mean in reference to the chairman.

Underage GAA can play there is the pitch doesnt have to be changed. Thats the whole point.

I can see why some people from a soccer back round would like it to be restricted to underage, however i feel that thomas davis are 100% in there fight to have it for senior grades as well. The many question that has to be answered for me along with many more is, what have shamrock rovers done for the good of sdcc that the council sees it fit to give them a free stadium they are not from tallaght or have any connections with it. While on the other hand td is an a great force for good in tallaght. ie the summer camps and weekend camps that they run for little or nothing. So that is one reason why i belive that all players of dublin gaa should have access to this stadium. Many people forget that td dont only want it for them selves but also other clubs.

Also its not sdcc fault that they sold milltown they shouldve listened to there fans all those years ago

applehunter

Louis Kilcoyne you mean.

Tank Top Fever!

I'm a Pat's fan and I find TD's actions here reprehensible, I'll be asking every canvasser that knocks on my door will they be doing their utmost to get Rovers in there asap, if not they won't be getting my vote

The GAA have got their own way in this country for far too long

Grudaire

John32c wrote:

I think the actions of Thomas Davis GAA club are reprehensible in appealing the orginal decision of SDCC to develop the new ground in Tallaght's as SRFC's home ground as a soccer only venue. Their actions are purley selfish and are serving self interest ONLY.

I don't understand, is the GAA a charity now?? I think the building of a soccar only stadium is also "purely selfish" and "serving self interest only"

At least you'll be showing an interest in the upcoming election... but rovers will be in there asap, just with a friend!

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

I can see why some people from a soccer back round would like it to be restricted to underage, however i feel that thomas davis are 100% in there fight to have it for senior grades as well. The many question that has to be answered for me along with many more is, what have shamrock rovers done for the good of sdcc that the council sees it fit to give them a free stadium they are not from tallaght or have any connections with it. While on the other hand td is an a great force for good in tallaght. ie the summer camps and weekend camps that they run for little or nothing. So that is one reason why i belive that all players of dublin gaa should have access to this stadium. Many people forget that td dont only want it for them selves but also other clubs.

Also its not sdcc fault that they sold milltown they shouldve listened to there fans all those years ago

So the anchor tennants in the ground should hae their cpapcity drastically reduced and have to play on a pitch that effectivly has a running track worth of soace around it? The few hundred people that will be able tofit in wont be heard and will be too far from the pitch. All so that TD have the use of a stadium should they at any stage during the year deem it appropriate to grace it with their presence.

Also, since when does being a tenent and paying rent equate to being given soemthing for free?

And btw you did say that Connor Lenihan wasnt barred from TD and that it would take some sort of referendum to make it happen. Seeign as this letter pre dates your post I'm guessing none of what you said was true.

Do TD get attendances high enough to warrant a stadium? If so, why havnt they used the millions in government funding (a good chunk of which connor lenihan and his predicessor secured for them) and their own funds to build a stadium before now? If not, why are they looking for use fo a stadium they dont need?

It all smacks of them purely not wanting Rovers "on their patch" despite the fact that a good chunk off the People in Tallaght would actually want them coupled with TD wanting in on somethign just because someone else gets it.


Should they not have to pay back all the government funding they were given towards their facilities and then pay rent to the council for the Talllaght stadium?

Cliste wrote:

I don't understand, is the GAA a charity now?!

How is the GAA a charity? They are giving nothing away. SDCC are completeign a stadium that Rovers built in the first place. Why does th eGAA feel it automatically has rights to it.

Plus blackmailing the government coming up to an election, pre planned or just good timing?

super_furry

ANXIOUS wrote:

I think its time that rovers fans just accepted that its in the common good that gaa be played in the tallaght stadium.

Typical of the breath-taking arrogance the GAA and its supporters have shown over this issue.

super_furry

Cliste wrote:

I don't understand, is the GAA a charity now?? I think the building of a soccar only stadium is also "purely selfish" and "serving self interest only"

What on earth has a stadium that has been half-built with Rovers money and to be completed with government funding got to do with 'GAA charity'? The GAA do not control goverment spending - something that many seem to believe they do. How in any shape or form is Rovers moving to Tallaght related to 'GAA charity'?

Once again the stadium will not be football only. It will be available for many sporting codes - rugby, hockey, underage GAA games. However just because government funding will be spent on it does not mean that every single sport can be accomodated there. Golf can't - the playing pitch can't accomodate it. Swimming can't - the playing pitch can't accomodate it. Senior GAA can't -the playing pitch can't accomodate it.

super_furry

Here's an article which appeared in today's Irish Times in response to the infamous Thomas Davies 'memo'.

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Tallaght Stadium controversy: Shamrock Rovers chairman Jonathan Roche has described as "a disgrace" a letter sent earlier this month by his counterpart at Thomas Davis, Christopher O'Donnell, to members of the GAA club in relation to the issue of access to the stadium proposed for Tallaght.

Roche also says that an item of supporting documentation, which accompanied the letter, is "riddled with factual inaccuracies".

In the letter, dated April 7th, O'Donnell encourages members to make an election issue of the club's fight to win access to the stadium and provides detailed instruction to members on how the issue should be raised with politicians during the forthcoming election campaign.

He also suggests they should not support local Fianna Fail TD Conor Lenihan, a Minister for State at the Department of Foreign Affairs, because he has recently signalled to club officials his support for the line taken by John O'Donoghue, that Government funding for the project be conditional upon it being used solely for soccer. O'Donnell says the politician has been informed he will not be welcome at the club until the GAA is accommodated at the stadium.

Lenihan said last night that while he was aware of the letter's content he found it both "surprising and ironic" that he first heard about it last Thursday night while attending a charity fund-raiser at the club. "I was being treated to drinks by senior members of the club and talking to a couple of former players who were special guests at the function when somebody approached me solemnly and presented me with a copy of the letter. Given how welcome I was made to feel on the night, I haven't really bothered to pursue the matter."

While O'Donnell clearly suggests to members in the letter that Thomas Davis and GAA other clubs in the area have been warned their stand on Tallaght might preclude them from receiving funds under the Government's Sports Capital Programme, Lenihan points out that one reason he believes he was made so welcome at the function was the news the club had just been allocated some €200,000 under the scheme.

"There seems to have been a suggestion that they couldn't benefit from Sports Capital Programme funding but as a result of the type of representations made by me, amongst others, the club received €200,000 only last week and I have been instrumental in obtaining over €600,000 in funding for Thomas Davis over the last few years. It is a matter of deep regret that we should have such a deep division between supporters of two sporting codes, and people on both sides of this debate have gone too far in what they have said at times. It would still be a concern of mine, however, that if Thomas Davis are successful in having the stadium opened then it may be the case that other clubs will take cases to have facilities already funded and built opened up too."

Within Rovers, meanwhile, there is disquiet over what the club's officials see as the latest attempt to undermine their attempts to get into the Tallaght development. In O'Donnell's letter he states on a number of occasions that Thomas Davis did not want to do this and that they did not intend either to dispute their neighbour's status as "anchor tenants" at the stadium.

However, Rovers' club secretary Noel Byrne points to a letter written in September 2005 by another Thomas Davis official, David Kennedy, to Dublin County Board chief executive John Costello as evidence that the club's public position cannot be readily taken at face value. In that letter Kennedy notes that in communications with South Dublin County Council, which is to complete the stadium, Thomas Davis have accepted the facility will also be used for soccer. "Tactically," he writes, "I think that has to be right for now. I'm confident (however) that in any bout with Rovers," he concludes, "that the GAA will be the last man standing."

Byrne believes the lack of any attempt by Thomas Davis to build trust between the two clubs in the aftermath of that letter becoming public calls into doubt anything that the GAA outfit might say now. "We continue to take advice on the situation while watching with amazement the activities of Thomas Davis and nothing they have done to date would suggest to us that they want to forge a long-term relationship with Shamrock Rovers" he says.

On this occasion a number of documents are attached to the letter including a circular from Costello to members of the GAA's central council in which a brief synopsis of the Tallaght stadium story to date is provided. Roche says this document is "riddled with factual inaccuracies" and that the overall tone of the new letter is similar to Kennedy's.

"They claim no Shamrock Rovers money went into what has been built so far but that's simply not true," he says. "The 400 club alone provided over €100,000 for the payment of professional fees and other items related to the project.

"Now, setting all of that aside, I have no problem whatsoever with junior gaelic or hockey or any other type of sporting contest being staged at this stadium as long as it doesn't require changes (an enlarged pitch) that substantially impact on and delay its delivery but that is precisely what Thomas Davis appear determined to achieve."

ANXIOUS

Stekelly wrote:

So the anchor tennants in the ground should hae their cpapcity drastically reduced and have to play on a pitch that effectivly has a running track worth of soace around it? The few hundred people that will be able tofit in wont be heard and will be too far from the pitch. All so that TD have the use of a stadium should they at any stage during the year deem it appropriate to grace it with their presence.

Also, since when does being a tenent and paying rent equate to being given soemthing for free?

And btw you did say that Connor Lenihan wasnt barred from TD and that it would take some sort of referendum to make it happen. Seeign as this letter pre dates your post I'm guessing none of what you said was true.

Do TD get attendances high enough to warrant a stadium? If so, why havnt they used the millions in government funding (a good chunk of which connor lenihan and his predicessor secured for them) and their own funds to build a stadium before now? If not, why are they looking for use fo a stadium they dont need?

It all smacks of them purely not wanting Rovers "on their patch" despite the fact that a good chunk off the People in Tallaght would actually want them coupled with TD wanting in on somethign just because someone else gets it.


Should they not have to pay back all the government funding they were given towards their facilities and then pay rent to the council for the Talllaght stadium?




How is the GAA a charity? They are giving nothing away. SDCC are completeign a stadium that Rovers built in the first place. Why does th eGAA feel it automatically has rights to it.

Plus blackmailing the government coming up to an election, pre planned or just good timing?

First off i do not belive that the capacity of the stadium will be reduced as much as some people are saying i think that they are scare mongering. In relation too the running track i dont remeber you having a problem with thius when you we're playing in santry stadium or croke park:D . whats the saying beggars cant be choosers;) . In relation to how many fans thomas davis would get i have already stated that it would be used by every team and also possibly the dubs, which would get a bigger attendance trhen some second class el team. By the way home man fans did you get at the "home game" yopu played down in cork a couple of years ago? .



If you read the hearld today youll find that what i said id true he was up there thursday night, so i want lying.

I thought the sell of your old ground was meant to secure your finanical future? As you chairman said tonight rovers havent paid anything towards building the stadium just "fees". Also can some one tell me why thay deserve a satdium in sdcc?

applehunter

ANXIOUS wrote:

First off i do not belive that the capacity of the stadium will be reduced as much as some people are saying i think that they are scare mongering. In relation too the running track i dont remeber you having a problem with thius when you we're playing in santry stadium or croke park:D . whats the saying beggars cant be choosers;) . In relation to how many fans thomas davis would get i have already stated that it would be used by every team and also possibly the dubs, which would get a bigger attendance trhen some second class el team. By the way home man fans did you get at the "home game" yopu played down in cork a couple of years ago? .

I dont remember Rovers fans speaking of their love of Santry. And dont remember Rovers ever playing in Croke Park.

It would destroy a potentially great facility to change the design. Only have to look at how lost soccer was in Croke Park. Other examples, the RSC in Waterford, Stadio del Alpi, Newmaket racecourse.

Mushy

applehunter wrote:

It would destroy a potentially great facility to change the design. Only have to look at how lost soccer was in Croke Park. Other examples, the RSC in Waterford, Stadio del Alpi, Newmaket racecourse.

Or Brighton & Hove Albions pitch:D

KdjaCL

super_furry wrote:

the club received €200,000 only last week and I have been instrumental in obtaining over €600,000 in funding for Thomas Davis over the last few years.

In the news section of the indo too, seems Rovers can do Pr too

Rovers 1:1 TD 1:1

"riddled with factual inaccuracies"

Sounds familiar.



kdjac

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

In relation too the running track i dont remeber you having a problem with thius when you we're playing in santry stadium or croke park?

This was mentioned a good bit in the Ireland V Wales thread on the soccer forum btw, as a major disagvantage. Sure for most of the game the crowd couldnt be seen on the tv they were that far back.


Answering "i didnt lie, he was up there thursday night" is not an answer to what you said. You said he wasnt barred and that decision couldnt be made, when it is quite clear in the memo that that is the case.

Mushy

SteKelly wrote:

This was mentioned a good bit in the Ireland V Wales thread on the soccer forum btw, as a major disagvantage. Sure for most of the game the crowd couldnt be seen on the tv they were that far back.

Yeah, but you cant blame the GAA for that, they did build the stadium for GAA purposes, plus they cant be blamed for a soccer pitch being smaller. Then in saying that, I do feel sorry for SR, as its not fair that they should suffer. I wont say too much about it, as I dont know the status of TD. Personally, I've never heard of them before this whole saga, and I dont really feel any GAA club need to have a couple of thousand-seater stadium. Sure when would it ever be filled?

Guy:Incognito

Mushy wrote:

Yeah, but you cant blame the GAA for that, they did build the stadium for GAA purposes, plus they cant be blamed for a soccer pitch being smaller. Then in saying that, I do feel sorry for SR, as its not fair that they should suffer. I wont say too much about it, as I dont know the status of TD. Personally, I've never heard of them before this whole saga, and I dont really feel any GAA club need to have a couple of thousand-seater stadium. Sure when would it ever be filled?

I'm not for a minute blaming the GAA for that. Fact is , croke park is the best that could have been made from the situation. But the opposite is true for the Tallaght stadium should this go through. Rovers will have to play all their homes games every season under those circumstances.

OhNoYouDidn't

super_furry wrote:

What on earth has a stadium that has been half-built with Rovers money and to be completed with government funding got to do with 'GAA charity'? The GAA do not control goverment spending - something that many seem to believe they do. How in any shape or form is Rovers moving to Tallaght related to 'GAA charity'?

Once again the stadium will not be football only. It will be available for many sporting codes - rugby, hockey, underage GAA games. However just because government funding will be spent on it does not mean that every single sport can be accomodated there. Golf can't - the playing pitch can't accomodate it. Swimming can't - the playing pitch can't accomodate it. Senior GAA can't -the playing pitch can't accomodate it.

nail on head. some of the GAA loyalists are just repeating the mantras 'free stadium for Rovers' and 'the GAA is banned' until they have believed them true.

despite the fact Rovers have put in millions and underage and womens gaelic games are pencilled in for the ground.

this is about being the 'last man standing' ie trying to kill a football club because TD dont have the confidence in their own sport to retain the youth so will go to the courts and waste vast amounts of GAA money. pathetic.

ANXIOUS

Stekelly wrote:

Answering "i didnt lie, he was up there thursday night" is not an answer to what you said. You said he wasnt barred and that decision couldnt be made, when it is quite clear in the memo that that is the case.

Your right he is barred from thomas davis, at the time ohnoyoudidnt posted i hadnt read the letter. And seeing as how i seen him up there last week i thought he was lying about it.

However Ste you love going on about how evil davis's are but you still or anyone else for the matter answer my question's

1. why do shamrock rover's deserve a free stadium in sdcc, where they have no connections?

2. how many fans did they get when they played a home game down in cork?

3.What happened to the money you made from the sell of your ground?

4. What good would come of bringing shamrock rovers to tallaght? Including there holligant element "the ultra's" (in my opinion this would only bring more trouble too the area)

I have many more questions but ill start with the easy one's.

applehunter

ANXIOUS wrote:

Your right he is barred from thomas davis, at the time ohnoyoudidnt posted i hadnt read the letter. And seeing as how i seen him up there last week i thought he was lying about it.

However Ste you love going on about how evil davis's are but you still or anyone else for the matter answer my question's

1. why do shamrock rover's deserve a free stadium in sdcc, where they have no connections?

2. how many fans did they get when they played a home game down in cork?

3.What happened to the money you made from the sell of your ground?

4. What good would come of bringing shamrock rovers to tallaght? Including there holligant element "the ultra's" (in my opinion this would only bring more trouble too the area)

I have many more questions but ill start with the easy one's.

The Ultras are fans group to create more atmosphere at games as far as I know.

ANXIOUS

applehunter wrote:

The Ultras are fans group to create more atmosphere at games as far as I know.

Ok so id like to thank you for answering none of my questions.

Ah wouldnt be too sure if you call this creating an atmosphere id say the children in that stand we're scared to death. Is this what soccer fans call atmosphere?

http://www.srfcultras.net/season2005/smoke/smoke.html

These scenes are disgraceful can you imagen this type of fighting in and arond the square. At first i didnt mind rovers being teneants but now having looked at the groups accosiated with them you have to wonder if its not out of the question then not even being allowed in the stadium.


http://www.srfcultras.net/season2005/scum/scum01.html

Look at the slide show for this match

applehunter

Won't somebody think of the Children;)

Are you an old aged pensioner or what?

super_furry

ANXIOUS wrote:

Your right he is barred from thomas davis, at the time ohnoyoudidnt posted i hadnt read the letter. And seeing as how i seen him up there last week i thought he was lying about it.

However Ste you love going on about how evil davis's are but you still or anyone else for the matter answer my question's

ANXIOUS wrote:

1. why do shamrock rover's deserve a free stadium in sdcc, where they have no connections?

It is not a free Shamrock Rovers stadium. It is a community stadium based around the dimensions of a football pitch in which Shamrock Rovers will be anchor tenants. Tenants that will be paying rent for the use of the stadium. A stadium which was already half-built under the ownership of Rovers. Under the original plans sponsorship and ticket money from Rovers games would be split between Rovers and the SDCC.

ANXIOUS wrote:

2. how many fans did they get when they played a home game down in cork?

What on earth has that got to do with anything?

ANXIOUS wrote:

3.What happened to the money you made from the sell of your ground?

Shamrock Rovers didn't sell their ground. The then owner Louis Kilcoyne sold the ground against the wishes of every single fan, before pocketing the money for himself. There were numerous legal attempts to prevent Kilcoyne doing so, including attempts to have a CPO placed on the ground. Believe me, the name Kilcoyne is reviled among Rovers fans.

That Shamrock Rovers is not the same entity as today's Shamrock Rovers - WE didn't make any money when our ground was sold.

ANXIOUS wrote:

4. What good would come of bringing shamrock rovers to tallaght? Including there holligant element "the ultra's" (in my opinion this would only bring more trouble too the area)

The Ultras are not a hooligan group, to claim that they are is slander of the highest order. I would consider myself an Ultra, and I'm totally opposed to any kind of hooliganism what so ever - so please refrain from calling me a hooligan.

From your assertions it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about Shamrock Rovers or Tallaght. You seem to enjoy running down not only Rovers, but the area itself. I'm a Tallaght native of 27 years and find your attempts to do so repulsive - you seem to be taking your opinion on Rovers and Tallaght wholesale from gutter journalism like the Evening Herald and Adrian Kennedy.

As for 'What good would come of bringing shamrock rovers to tallaght?' Rovers are already a major part of the fabric of Tallaght. In Tallaght they have dozens of underage teams, a ladies team, a college team, a basketball team and have recently started providing scholarships for local students to Tallaght IT.

The only part of the Shamrock Rovers set-up that isn't firmly based in Tallaght already is the senior team, and they will be there soon.

super_furry

ANXIOUS wrote:

These scenes are disgraceful can you imagen this type of fighting in and arond the square. At first i didnt mind rovers being teneants but now having looked at the groups accosiated with them you have to wonder if its not out of the question then not even being allowed in the stadium.

Why are they disgraceful? Can you show me anything illegal in those photographs? The only thing that you could possibly object to is the use of flares, something which has since been banned and no longer occurs at grounds.

You seem so preoccupied with the notion of football violence so, what's you're opinion on GAA violence? Do you think that the likes of the Dublin and Tyrone on pitch riot is acceptable? Were the disgraceful scenes between Ireland and Australia alright? How about the issue of referees being attacked and assaulted during club games? I certainly wouldn't like to see referees being attacked and assault in Tallaght. Do we really need the likes of http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/4030747.stm this happening in my town?

applehunter

ANXIOUS wrote:

http://www.srfcultras.net/season2005/scum/scum01.html

Look at the slide show for this match

Just seen it, looks good.

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

1. why do shamrock rover's deserve a free stadium in sdcc, where they have no connections?

2. how many fans did they get when they played a home game down in cork?

3.What happened to the money you made from the sell of your ground?

4. What good would come of bringing shamrock rovers to tallaght? Including there holligant element "the ultra's" (in my opinion this would only bring more trouble too the area)

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1. They are not getting a free stadium. They half built the thing in the first place and are to become anchor tennants. If you rent an apartment, are you being given a free apartment?

What has their connection with Tallaght got to do with it? This part of Dublin is bg on football and needs a team. For christs sake Tallaght is big enough for city status. What connection did Thomas davis have with Tallaght before they came here/were set up here?

2. couldnt tell you, I'm not a Rovers fan, hell I'm not even an EL fan but I have gone to Shels games and plan on going as often as possible if I have a local team to go and watch. I'm guessign they wouldnt get great support in Cork if all their fans are in Dublin and Cork already have a team.

3.Again I;m not a fan and dont know. Plus I was only born inn 81 so it was before my time insofar as supporting and remembering these things. (although I know now having read applehunters post aboe)

4. What good would it bring? It would suply a very large local football fanbase with a club to support. There is life outside the GAA you know and a huge amount of people in Tallagth are football fans. TD seem to want to bury their heads to that fact. Probably in the hope it will go away.

ANXIOUS wrote:

Ok so id like to thank you for answering none of my questions.

Ah wouldnt be too sure if you call this creating an atmosphere id say the children in that stand we're scared to death. Is this what soccer fans call atmosphere?

http://www.srfcultras.net/season2005/smoke/smoke.html

These scenes are disgraceful can you imagen this type of fighting in and arond the square. At first i didnt mind rovers being teneants but now having looked at the groups accosiated with them you have to wonder if its not out of the question then not even being allowed in the stadium.


http://www.srfcultras.net/season2005/scum/scum01.html

Look at the slide show for this match

As opposed to some of the disgracefull scenes repoted in the last year or so ON the pitch during GAA games?


Edit, I didnt actually look at any of the links, but I'm guessing from Applehunters post that it much ado about nothing.

super_furry

Another couple of good articles from today's press on the situation here http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/b_uzz/rovers_star.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/hoops1901/2007-04-19-1943-56_edited.jpg

It's good to see that the media are finally cottoning on to the dirty campaign that the GAA are fighting.

Grudaire

I'm sorry, but what exactly do you mean by dirty campaign?

applehunter

Dirty as in delaying tactics.

What junior GAA club needs a stadium?