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1/4 scale Opel Rak

  • 03-01-2007 1:02pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭


    Hi there,
    After the Ka3, new year, new projects !
    We start with my new design, a 1/4 scale Opel Rak. You can find lots of picture and documents here : http://www.retroplane.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=413
    Raketenflug-1_600x420_238.jpg

    Scale : 1/4
    Wingspan : 2.50 mtrs
    99% wood, the remaining 1% are the aluminium tubes for the tail (12 and 10 mm diameter)

    Central Wing section :

    Ribs lovers, this model is for you ! 5 formers, and almost 100 ribs ! I can tell you that I'm happy to have a CNC machine ! So, here are all the bits and pieces for the wing :
    kitaile_391.jpg

    The building of this central piece is not that easy, mostly because everything is built "in the air" ! So, you really need a good eye for everything to be square ! The spars (4 for each wing) are made using 8x8 pine strips.
    longeronaile_206.jpg

    Then, well, you just have to add all the other ribs ! :wink:
    After nearly 2 hours, you have something like this :
    centraleaile_151.jpg


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    The tail booms are attached to the wing / ribs using 3 pieces of plywood that take the aluminium tube (a picture is easier to understand..)
    attachepoutre_377.jpg


    Well, now, you can have a break (tea, coffee, alcohol or whatever you prefer !) and have a look at your latest baby !

    ailecentrepoutre_232.jpg

    So, the central wing part is almost finish. Next, the external wing sections (2)

    Fred


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    very noice, would love to see the finshed plane :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Thanks Flunked ! :)

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    So, here we go with the external wing panels :
    So, at least 1 and a half panel is done ! I had a shortage of pine for the spars ! used 10 mtrs, and I need 2 mtrs more...

    One panel :
    panneauaile_166.jpg

    Junction central wing / external panel :
    jonctionailes_185.jpg

    Tonight, I'll try to finish the remaining wing panel, and the central wing section.

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭tallus


    Looking good Fred :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    yes it is looking good. you make it look so easy :( but with the help of the cnc :P

    Is this going to have a motor or anything? or is it just a glider?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Thanks Tallus :)

    @Flunked --> No, pure glider, but equiped with the rocket system, only for meetings and the scale touch (and the laugh if she start to go in flames ! :p )

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    i thought the rockets were illegal in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Plug wrote:
    i thought the rockets were illegal in Ireland?

    Yes, they are, like the fireworks that all my neighbors are firing almost every night :p:p

    No, seriously, the rockets will be only on meetings, and mainly in France anyway.

    Fred


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    I'd like to see it fly Fred.
    Should be really something.
    Will you get a video of the maiden flight?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hey Norman ! :)
    Well, I expect the thing to fly pretty much like a truck...:p But as usual, a video of the maiden flight / crash (we never know :p ) will be available.
    Such as the test with the rockets.. We might have a laugh here ! ;)

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Ooopss, forgot today's update on the building...

    Not a lot of work done yesterday, but things are still moving !


    ailemontage_139.jpg

    Plan for this week end : TE and LE for the wings and I start building the fuselage or the tail section, we'll see.

    Fred


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    thats long... ...very long...:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    i thought my glider was long!:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    you have a glider:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    yeah! Posted up crap flights and a pic or 2;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    oh...:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Lost intreast in it tho, couldn't fly the thing properly, nearly toke the head off my brother at one stage:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    That's no reason to stop! Tis a reason to keep doing now that you know what it can do:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi there,
    I agree with Flunked.. Not a reason to stop !

    If you live around Dublin, why not joining us on a slope with your glider and radio to have a look and why not, take your first flying lesson ! :rolleyes:

    Contact on the link below or here : http://www.islandsloperebels.com

    I go back to the garage now ! :D

    Fred


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    2 channel radio and a wing as balanced as the leaning tower of peisa.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    I thought you were in Cork. I am in Dublin [even tho I dont think you were talking to me] :p And I would love to get into gliding if theres any very cheap started kits or used models. I need evrything but the radio controls;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Want to buy mine?:D I'll give her a bit of a service and balance the bitch;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    dpeneds what your selling for. looks like your hitting the mighty 2000 post tonight, make sure it is done in this part of the forum!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Won't be too much, whats the budget?

    Don't worry i'll save it for here:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi Flunked, Anytime ! :)
    Check the forum in the slope rebel site or the gliderireland one or contact me if you want to have a look at the slope with us a week end !
    For a beginner glider, let me know if you need one (if Plug want to come back to this hobby ! and he will.. Come on Plug, let's try it again ! :p;) )

    And if you have any questions... :)

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi there,
    After a Saturday at the slope, a bit of work has been done sunday on the Opel, starting with the fuselage. The pieces :

    piecesfuselage_268.jpg

    Not a lot ! So, that goes really quickly to assemble :
    fuselagedebut_174.jpg

    After that, not a lot of work need to be done on it. Plywood sheeting, and space for the pilot, batteries and receiver.. Yep, no servos on the fuselage, they are all in the wings and tail !
    First look at the fuselage with the wings :
    premontage_154.jpg
    Well, looks like the picture... Always a good sign !
    Back to the wings for a while, and it's time to glue the LE (10mm balsa) and the TE (1.5mm plywood) :
    fuselagepartiecentrale_731.jpg

    Then, we do the same on the 2 external wing panels, and we can do a final setup and have a look back on the beast :

    opelpreview_214.jpg

    Well.. Not bad at all ! And the more I look at it, the more I think that can have a decent flight !

    This week, it's time to work on the tail (elevator and rudders) section ! More ribs !

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Coming on nicely fred;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    Nice
    Looking like a flyer rather than a sophisticated ladder now:D
    I'll PM you about the me getting into gliding


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    :D:D:D True actually !

    You can contact me at anytime ! And if you want to join us in a week end to have a proper look, no problemo ! :)

    Fred


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    That is shaping up nicely Fred. Very unique looks. Sorta Cessna Skymaster meets Ka - with a rocket - just for added fun!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hello there,
    Back to the building, and this time with the elevator section.
    Not a lot of pieces for the fixed part :
    stabkit_648.jpg
    And we glue everything together ! The central rib id made in 3mm plywood and will received a mini servo for the elevator :
    stabmontage_123.jpg

    Then, the stab TE is closed with 1.5mm balsa, and the LE made as usual with 10mm balsa. A balsa block is cut for the stab ends, and will later receive the rudders. Et voila :
    stabfini_115.jpg

    Tonight, rudder or elevator.. We'll see ! :rolleyes:

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi there,
    Here we go again, this time with the fixed rudders. First, cut the parts. The plywood is used for the aluminium tubes brackets (not sure of that word..) :

    kitderives_143.jpg

    Then, nothing really difficult. Just a puzzle to assemble :

    deriveassemble_133.jpg

    Just to have a look at the beast, and have an idea of what the finalize project is going to look like, I've setup the elevator/rudder on the booms. we can see a close up of the rudder / aluminium tube junction. Easy and simple ! :

    derivespoutre_362.jpg

    And a general view :

    derivesplaneur_224.jpg

    Well, so far, I'm happy, and the machine is looking really good. I even start to like it !
    The glider seems to be light so far, and that's good as not a lot is left to be done (sheeting, and all the moving things (rudder, elevator , ailerons..).
    Almost there !

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi there,

    I finally received my plywood for the Opel !
    0.8mm plywood for the fuselage, and 0.4mm for the wings.

    I've started with the fuselage flanc, to finish (for the time being) with the bottom fuselage. That still give me access via the top section to the fuselage interior to install the pilot seat and so on before closing the fuselage definitively. Easy to do, but no mistakes allowed with the plywood, but by going slowly that do a perfect job !

    coffragefuselage_197.jpg

    coffragefuselage2_203.jpg

    For the struts, I've cut the space for them after I've glued the flancs. Easier that way, once again if you are carefull (using a small router) :

    haubanfuselage_135.jpg

    And that's it for now ! This week end, I'll finish the fuselage and start to cover / do the sheeting of the wings.

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi there,
    Almost there ! I think this week, will be my last one on the Opel.

    Here are some pictures :

    frontfuselage_133.jpg
    Plywood, it's beautiful ! I think I've just fall in love with this material ! So much easier to work than the balsa !

    vuefuselagecote_718.jpg


    vuefuselagecote2_136.jpg

    I just have to finish the sheeting under the wings on the fuselage, but I leave it like that for now as I'm doing the servos wirering.. Just in case.. But nothing is glued yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    More...

    vuetail_409.jpg

    1 servo / rudder. you can also see the rubber, used in kites that has been modified to connect the 2 tail booms. Almost like the real one ! And simple !

    vueplaneur_172.jpg

    This week, I just have to keep concentrated to all the moving parts (rudder, elevator and ailerons) and finish to install all the electrics cables and so on. After that, that's the finishing.
    ARTF !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Well, after a lonnngg break on the Opel (almost 2 weeks without gluing wood...:o ) back to work ! ARTF !

    opeljardin_122.jpg


    Just to give you an idea, here is the model, ready for transport... You need a bit of space, but no other solution at that size / scale.

    opeldemonte_669.jpg

    So, this week, last week on the machine ! Just to do the electronics, covering and finishing... May be not fully ready to fly next week end, but that will be really close !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭The Doktor


    Lookin really nice. Tis a credit to ya.
    Always wanted a glider meself... guess I`ll put it on the list...:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭g5hn710m4xpdwy


    looks really nice/big:rolleyes:
    Cant wait to see it covered


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Thanks guys ! Much appreciated ! :)

    Thanks to Anthony from http://www.rubberprintdesign.com, here is the PDF file for the Opel Rak Letters.
    The scale is 1/4, but for those interrested, he can cut them at any size. And he is a modeler, so, he will understand what you are talking about and what is you really need ! :rolleyes:
    The file can be downloaded here : http://www.gliderireland.net/files/...tersopelrak.pdf (800 Ko)

    Fred


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi There,
    The covering is on the way and almost finished !
    fini2_153.jpg

    Don't know how to cover a wing like this ?
    Here is a tutorial for you !
    http://www.gliderireland.net/covering.htm

    Fred


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hello there,
    Well, the Opel project is almost finished ! Ready to fly !
    Now, waiting for the good opportunity (next week end should be the good one), I can concentrate on all the small details... Cockpit, rocket pods, wires and so on.
    And thanks again to Anthony for the lettering !
    opel1_210.jpg
    opel2_122.jpg
    opel3_972.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    And to finish :
    opel4_945.jpg
    opel5_192.jpg

    Next, in flight pictures !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    The Opel has flown ! :D

    Well, back from Retroplane 2007 ! The Opel did is maiden voyage the saturday of the meeting.
    To tell the truth, the real first flight was a bit.. disapointing !
    Launch, went straight, but the glider did not want to go up !
    Flew like this for 5 minutes, and then land... We've just look at each other with Joe, thinking that this thing will never fly (well... 100% scale, the original did not much better ! :wink: )

    Analyse of the flight, then, that was obvious that the CG was a bit too much forwrd...
    Removed around 40 grs of lead (the only piece of lead I was able to remove...) and off we go again...

    And we saw the light, right after the second launch !
    What a flight !
    the 40 grs made a huge difference, even if the machine is still nose heavy.
    Just the trim at the ailerons to be touched, everything else is fine. Rudders are really powerfull and the shape of the glider in the sky is really uncommon ! Really looks like a WWI bomber with the two tail booms !
    I flew lots of low passes, just for the pleasure (and the photographs :wink: )
    So, here are a few pictures... A video will follow soon (and more pictures...)
    Enjoy !

    The launch... Where you try to think if you forgot something !
    opellaunch.jpg

    In Flight

    opelvol1.jpg

    opelvol2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Guys,
    The Retroplane 2007 photo album is now online !
    More than 300 photos are available - Broadband is required !

    The link :
    http://www.retroplane.net/album/index.php?cat=11

    Enjoy ! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi There,

    In flight video of the Opel is now available !
    Taken during the Cork / Kerry Fly-in the saturday.

    Enjoy ! :)

    http://www.gliderireland.net/images/videos/OpelRak.wmv

    13 Mo - 2.30 mins.

    Fred


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    Hi Fred

    The Rak certainly flies nicely. :) You must be pleased with it.

    Will we be seeing a flight with flames, smoke trails, and rockets attached soon? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    Hi Norman,

    Well, Everything is ready, I just have to sort out the way to light the fuse remotely (I don't want to die ! :p)
    But for now, I'm a bit busy with another little project :D :

    premontage.jpg

    But getting there !


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    .... another little project :D :

    ... "little" project .... ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭loopingfred


    :p:p

    1/3 scale Ka3, enlarged from my 1/4 scale plan...
    Well, that take some space ! :D;)

    More info here : http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=277

    Fred


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