fat metaboliser and whey protein

numorouno

this may seem as a silly post but is it possible to get the benefit of having a fat metaboliser and also taking whey protein. as in can i lose the fat and tone up at the same time or will the benefits be negiable as to using none of these products?
i basically am training for the past 2 1/2 months and have lost approx 2stone and am aiming for approx another 4 in the next 6/8 months. the time frame isnt that important. im happy enough with my diet and training (mainly cardio at the moment eg running and swimming) but i was thinking of doing some light weights to start toning up. i dont want to increase size just to be more toned.
would either or both of these products be beneficial to me in my aims?

Transform

In a word - no!!!

Keep the diet tight and hit the weighs now as if you don't i have found with working with clients its very difficult to pull the flaby skin back when the weight loss is substantial i.e. over 3 stone.

Get into a gym and use free weights mainly with the help of a good trainer i.e. one that looks the part and is not 19years old with 6months experience

numorouno

so basically just do the weights and maybe add a bit more protein to my diet in the form of meat etc and train with weights and cardio would be the best plan

Boru.

Transform wrote:

Get into a gym and use free weights mainly with the help of a good trainer i.e. one that looks the part and is not 19years old with 6months experience

LOL So true dude, so true.

As Transform said, eat right lift heavy and often and you cna't go wrong. Don;t worry about gettign big muscles, it won't happen overnight, not even over year for many people. If it was that easy supplement companies would be out of business. Best advice you can get - read the stickies and get an experienced trainer or lifter to show you proper form for your lifts. Best of luck.

rubadub

numorouno wrote:

but i was thinking of doing some light weights to start toning up. i dont want to increase size just to be more toned.

to get "toned" you should be lifting big weights, I bet any person you see that you consider "toned" is lifting heavy weights. Light weights are just really cardio exercise. You will not get big overnight, a very common myth especially for women. Lifting heavy weights let me shed fat very well, and after almost 10 months now I am not that noticeably bigger at all. When lifting heavy weights your body does build muscle and increases your metabolism in doing so. You will not turn into a bodybuilder overnight, it would take a lot of heavy lifting just to get a body like a swimmer.

If you ever did get "too big" you simply stop lifting heavy weights and the muscle will go away.

davyjose

rubadub wrote:

after almost 10 months now I am not that noticeably bigger at all.

Indeed, a pound of muscle takes up a lot less room on your body than a pound of fat

numorouno

rubadub wrote:

to get "toned" you should be lifting big weights, I bet any person you see that you consider "toned" is lifting heavy weights. Light weights are just really cardio exercise. You will not get big overnight, a very common myth especially for women. Lifting heavy weights let me shed fat very well, and after almost 10 months now I am not that noticeably bigger at all. When lifting heavy weights your body does build muscle and increases your metabolism in doing so. You will not turn into a bodybuilder overnight, it would take a lot of heavy lifting just to get a body like a swimmer.

If you ever did get "too big" you simply stop lifting heavy weights and the muscle will go away.

what i mean is im a 18stone male.im "big" from fat and to be honest all iwanted to do is trim down that and get stronger n toned. the comment about muscle being less dense than fat answers one of my main questions regarding that though.thanks for all the comments.appreaciated

rubadub

numorouno wrote:

muscle being less dense than fat answers one of my main questions regarding that though.thanks for all the comments.appreaciated

I think muscle takes up 1/3 the volume of fat. In addition it is in all "the right" places. I was 12stone for ages while weight training, was loosing fat and gaining muscle at the same rate, loosing inches off my belt all the time though I was the same weight.
If you are on a calorie deficit diet you could risk losing muscle mass along with fat, proper weight training will prevent this. I cannot recommend lifting heavy weights enough if you are after fat loss. Do not just keep track of weight, keep measurement records.

Doing cardio for 1 hour 3 times a week will burn around 1500kcal.
Doing heavy weights for 1 hour 3 times a week will burn around 1500kcal.
BUT!!! doing the weights triggers muscle growth, this means you need more calories just like a growing teenager or pregnant woman. You will need around 250-300kcal per day to support this muscle growth. so That is an extra 2000kcal per week, so it is like you have done an extra few hours cardio but with no effort.

Also this additional muscle then needs about an extra 35kcal per day per lb just to sustain it, i.e. just sitting around you will need more. I reckon I have put on at least 10lb of muscle in my 10months, so that is an extra 350kcal I can eat per day. 10lb of muscle is not big by anybodys standards.

I do not mean to be insulting but I imagine, like myself, you are fond of the food so increasing your muscle mass allows you to eat more too, thats what I love about it!

jank

Interesting. So **** cardio and go hard on the weights to see both fat loss and muscle gain.

Would it be advisable to just do weights for a few months if you wanted to lose weight?

g'em

jank wrote:

Would it be advisable to just do weights for a few months if you wanted to lose weight?

Generally msot people will see best results from doing both. Weights will increase lean muscle mass and therefore raise teh resting metabolic rate (RMR) and cardio will maintain cardiovascular health and burn calories on the spot. But the type of cardio you do is geneally what makes a difference- low intensity (LIT) works for some people (especially those who are just starting out or don't have the best fitness levels), high intensity training (HIT) will burn the msot calories but may have a detrimental effect on muscle mass and high intensity interval training (HIIT) will give the best of both worlds- fat loss, muscle maintenace and it's quick, but not easy, to do: sprint intervals, shuttle runs, cycle sprints, that kind of thing. But you really have to be giving the intervals 90-100% output to make it count.

iascanmore

Can I just throw a word in here - skipping.

Its fantasic HIIT on all levels - cheap (get a speed rope < €15), can be done at home, leaves you wrecked,
not to mention speed, co-ordination improvments..etc

I practised (10-15 mins most evenings) for about 2 months and can now can now go like the clappers for timed intervals.

Eg - 30 secs flat-out, 60 Secs handy enough, repeat for 15-25 mins.

Check out some of Chad Waterburys fat loss programs over on T-Nation (BBB and WSP in particular).

They generally all include some form of HIIT and there is some good background info there aswell.

rubadub

jank wrote:

Interesting. So **** cardio and go hard on the weights to see both fat loss and muscle gain.

No, I would also recommend both like g'em said.

The original poster said he was doing cardio, but was thinking of doing light weights to "tone up". Cardio is still good but light weights is really just more cardio work.

You should not do weights everyday, you need recovery inbetween, I am now usually doing 1 day of weights, 2 days off. And cycle to work for about 45mins everyday and at the weekends.

You could do cardio on your non-weight days. So if your aim is to loose weight and you can fit in 1 hour every day then you should be doing cardio too.

I went from almost 15 stone to just below 13stone doing just cycling, then just plateaued for a while, just stablised. then started weights and went right down just below 12, eating the same amounts. I am now above 12stone but leaner, this additional weight is muscle mass. I still drink like a fish at weekends but do small things like walk to the pub, and do not visit the chipper after all adds up

numorouno

thanks for all yer help guys n gals. im getting started on the program either 2moro or the day after on weights and some cardio when im not doing weights. il report back in a while n let ye know how im doin