Wii - is it worth it.

The_Minister

Right, I was thinking of getting a Wii (despite what some people are saying, i've seen them everywhere). Is it worth it? Should I wait for the PS3?
All (relevent) opinions welcome.

Moojuice

Yeah its loads of fun. I have a 360 too and the two go well together. The Wii is not meant to compete on the same level as the 360 or the PS3. Its just a well designed piece of kit that is a lot of fun to play and just wait until the really good games start getting released (Mario, Excite Truck, Smash Brothers....etc etc)

The_Minister

Are you saying that its not as powerful as the 360 or PS3? (noob here)
Do you think that this will have replay value, or will it be like the Dreamcast?

jonnybadd

The_Minister wrote:

Wii - is it worth it

Yes

The_Minister

jonnybadd wrote:

Yes

Do you have one?

jonnybadd

Yes, totally worth it, even just to look at

Holsten

The_Minister wrote:

(despite what some people are saying, i've seen them everywhere)

Like where? Need... Wii!

tuxy

The_Minister wrote:

Do you think that this will have replay value, or will it be like the Dreamcast?

What was wrong with the replay value of games on the dreamcast
I know it wasnt exactly cool to own one, but it had some great games.

cedomination

i would like to know where you have seen them

chump

The_Minister wrote:

(despite what some people are saying, i've seen them everywhere).

Are you deluded?
Maybe you've seen the empty boxes.

Rhyme

The_Minister wrote:

(despite what some people are saying, i've seen them everywhere).

Perhaps he looks in peoples windows

Worth it, even worth the wait if you do decide to pick one up.

Moojuice

The Wii is not as powerful as the 360 or the PS3. It is very playable though,and is a great innovative machine that is lots of fun and has a LOT of replay value. Nintendo systems always have great, fun games. The Wii doesnt output a HD signal either. Depends what you are looking for in a console. Try each one out before you buy one.

scrapland

I would say this.

If you dont have a current next gen and experience HD graphics on your console then you'll probably be very happy with the graphics output of the wii.

However after 12 months of next gen lovliness with the 360, it is hard to look at some of the wii titles without a knot forming in your stomach and bits of sick rising in your gullet.

Even with component cable there's no escaping the wii's lack of power.

Also some of the launch titles, deffinetly feel like ps2 games with control scheme just slapped onto it, whether it works or doesnt.

I also fear whether third party support is basically going to consist of the same, a weaker game with slap happy control mecanics.

For me the wii is going to be the party/family console. The one in the main lounge that everyone has a craic having a go at, wii sports has been more fun than any of the standalone games I've bought for the wii, but for more 'serious' gaming I'll be sticking with my 360 for most games.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

The_Minister wrote:

Are you saying that its not as powerful as the 360 or PS3? (noob here)

It's not even close in terms of power

The_Minister

chump wrote:

Are you deluded?
Maybe you've seen the empty boxes.

No. I even asked because I heard people complaining on here about them not being available. I've seen them in two shops.


Back to my question, some of you seem to be saying that the Wii is a PS2, with a funky control system. If that is the case then I may wait until the other consoles appear.

Holsten

Eh.. like.... where? What shops?

Rhyme

The_Minister wrote:

Back to my question, some of you seem to be saying that the Wii is a PS2, with a funky control system.

The Gamecube had the potential to outdo the PS2/xBox in the graphics department and the Wii is more powerful than that by some number (i hear 5x and 10x but im not sure).

Cianos

If your priority is super shiny graphics, get a PS3 or 360. If you value games that are fun and completely innovative get a Wii

The_Minister

Cianos wrote:

If your priority is super shiny graphics, get a PS3 or 360. If you value games that are fun and completely innovative get a Wii

Gotcha. I must ponder awhile then.

slade_x

The_Minister wrote:

Are you saying that its not as powerful as the 360 or PS3? (noob here)

I see you have completely missed the point of the Wii's place in the market

The Wii was designed and marketed to be a cheap home console, so naturally its not a graphical powerhouse, but as you already know graphics capabilities are not the determining factor of how visually impressive a game looks. In the later Titles there is no doubt that exceptional artwork will make for a very pretty debut on the Wii, and use its resources to its full potential.

Lately its seems graphical/ physics engines additions are all anyone seems to be bringing to todays gamers, casual or otherwise. for the past few years its clear we have been playing the same games over and over again, just with different names and graphical capabilites, although there are the exceptions for example in the FPS genre ;Half-life series, Farcry, etc. Every now and again there are some games that stand out from others

Nintendo's goal being the pioneers of innovation they are, are marketing a cheap fun little console with a different control system that no one has ever taken full advantage of before, sure we've had light guns and scopes (of which came first from Nintendo) but wii have never had anything close to what the Wii offers across its full spectrum of games.

Currently the titles on the wii are not that taxing and dont look all that pleasing to some, although Rayman is somewhat excellently done art wise. What is no doubt the consoles flagship game is Zelda: Twilight Princess and best looking to boot, it is important to note that it is a Gamecube Port at heart and in no way represents what the Wii is truly capable of.

I honestly think people are downplaying the power of the hollywood chip based on the launch titles. I'm sure the Wii will surprise us over the course of maturing as a console. There isnt much of a doubt in my mind that being Nintendo's Flagship console, the best is yet to come. As well as Giving gamers a completely new experience we'll get more nintendo titles that we inevitably grow to love

tuxy

Holsten wrote:

Eh.. like.... where? What shops?

Look he said it's everywhere, .....in two shops. Isn't that enough for ya?

slade_x

tuxy wrote:

Look he said it's everywhere, .....in two shops. Isn't that enough for ya?

Confirming there are still some available Wii's in retail outlets is one thing, actually saying what retailers and where they are is another, of which has yet to be mentioned

tuxy

slade_x wrote:

Confirming there are still some available Wii's in retail outlets is one thing, actually saying what retailers and where they are is another, of which has yet to be mentioned

It's a secret*, he wants them all for himself






*may mean he just made it up

Niall0

i have a 360 and a wii and ive barely played my 360 since i got the wii, its so much fun its ridiculous

The_Minister

tuxy wrote:

It's a secret*, he wants them all for himself

Something like that.

AceCard Jones

I don't and have never thought of my Wii or any other of my Nintendo consoles as a "Fun party or multiplayer" machine.Ok fun yes but not on the note everyone else is using.

The Wii is a seventh generation console that will compete with the PS3 and the X-Box 360.True on terms of hardware it's not built like a brick **** house.But for me that's never why I bought a console.And it never will be.

True I build my PC's based on top of the range hardware, but that's because you have to.If you don't you can't play good games or use your PC to it's full potential on terms of many programs at once or operating in a hasty manner.

But with consoles it's not like that.
Obviously Nintendo know it's going to be capable of playing every game that they plan on having on it.So why worry about the hardware?

I don't and will never own a X-Box 360.But I own a Wii and will own a PS3, but I will never hold one over the other.I buy each for the games I like.
You need to have a Nintendo console to have Zelda, Pokémon, Mario Super Smash Bros etc.

And you need a Playstation to play Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid etc.

I see nothing good on the 360 that isn't on the PC or isn't going to be released on another console.So I don't bother with it.
And that's how I go about buying my game consoles.

(And please don't attack this post saying you never said such and such, I know not all of you said anything in relation to what I said)

The_Minister

Your first sentence reminded me of something that I meant to ask.
How is the multiplayer on the Wii? How many people can play, and are there good multiplayers?

Jim

The_Minister wrote:

Your first sentence reminded me of something that I meant to ask.
How is the multiplayer on the Wii? How many people can play, and are there good multiplayers?

For me at the moment my Wii is all about Multiplayer.

Atm you can have 4 players playing at the same time (there are 4 little lights indicating on the Wiimotes what player you are so I'm assuming they're not expanding past 4). Wii Sports is a ****ing great game to play with a load of mates. I had a party in my house last night and even people who would never be interested in games were lining up to play doubles tennis or boxing.

Online play is a big thing for me so I was a bit annoyed that it hasn't been implimented yet, but I think its coming online in Feb. And just as a note imo Nintendo's multiplayer games have always been great (most noteably their Mario based ones). I'd probably buy the console just for them alone.

Cianos

slade_x wrote:

I see you have completely missed the point of the Wii's place in the market

The Wii was designed and marketed to be a cheap home console, so naturally its not a graphical powerhouse, but as you already know graphics capabilities are not the determining factor of how visually impressive a game looks. In the later Titles there is no doubt that exceptional artwork will make for a very pretty debut on the Wii, and use its resources to its full potential.

Lately its seems graphical/ physics engines additions are all anyone seems to be bringing to todays gamers, casual or otherwise. for the past few years its clear we have been playing the same games over and over again, just with different names and graphical capabilites, although there are the exceptions for example in the FPS genre ;Half-life series, Farcry, etc. Every now and again there are some games that stand out from others

Nintendo's goal being the pioneers of innovation they are, are marketing a cheap fun little console with a different control system that no one has ever taken full advantage of before, sure we've had light guns and scopes (of which came first from Nintendo) but wii have never had anything close to what the Wii offers across its full spectrum of games.

Currently the titles on the wii are not that taxing and dont look all that pleasing to some, although Rayman is somewhat excellently done art wise. What is no doubt the consoles flagship game is Zelda: Twilight Princess and best looking to boot, it is important to note that it is a Gamecube Port at heart and in no way represents what the Wii is truly capable of.

I honestly think people are downplaying the power of the hollywood chip based on the launch titles. I'm sure the Wii will surprise us over the course of maturing as a console. There isnt much of a doubt in my mind that being Nintendo's Flagship console, the best is yet to come. As well as Giving gamers a completely new experience we'll get more nintendo titles that we inevitably grow to love

Good post:cool:

scrapland

Cianos wrote:

If your priority is super shiny graphics, get a PS3 or 360. If you value games that are fun and completely innovative get a Wii

But thats unfair as well. There are games on competeing formats that are innovative and there are a lot of wii titles at launch that have NO innovation. Slapping on a dodgy control system to a game style that isnt suited to it, is not innovation.

So far all FPS on the wii (Red Steel, FarCry, COD3) have failed with varying degrees of horribleness

Metriod may be the only thing that rectifies it, but that's not really a FPS, it more of FP adventure.

Cars, Need For Speed Carbon, Monster 4x4 are all utterly dire with poor control scheme, waving your wii controller just doesnt have the precision or bode well for tight cornering and handling for driving games.

Zelda for as good as it is, lacks any real 'innovation', unless you say slapping control scheme onto a cube game is innovative.

So far the most innovative titles for the Wii have been the ones that seemingly wouldnt work on any other machine.

Wii Sports, Monkeyball lead the pack for really wii experiences and actually have some real innovation into them.

The others meh......

Also why does it always have to boil down to the same bleeding argument of gameplay versus graphics ?

Someone needs to let the secret out the bag.. Gameplay & Great Graphics are NOT mutually exclusive, and a game can have both.

Xbox 360 has a lot of innovation, stuff the wii is copying such as the marketplace. Each game being live aware with downloadable content.
Demos for consoles that are downloadable. Streaming of media from a computer, movies, music etc. Being able to start and turn off your machine via the controller.

Then there are games like GRAW that have innovations like the crosscam.

So the simple assertion that wii = innovation compared to the others is simply wrong.

coadyj

The_Minister wrote:

Your first sentence reminded me of something that I meant to ask.
How is the multiplayer on the Wii? How many people can play, and are there good multiplayers?

you know your talking ****, there not in any stores except ebay.

you probably wont get one before christmas. I ordered one from one of the most reliable site and they are having trouble getting them. hmv will promice you one but probably sometime in july

yes the wii is amazing i have played with them everywhere. graphics are fine better the ps2 and xbox. if you dont have a hidef tv which from that sounds of it you dont (or you would know about these things) if not going to matter didle squat.

the ps3 is the biggest rip off in the world ove €1000 and it doensnt even have vibrate. stay away. the ps3 is going to ruin sony unless they do something amazing. like ps3 halo 4 exclusive.

Rhyme

coadyj wrote:

the ps3 is the biggest rip off in the world ove €1000 and it doensnt even have vibrate. stay away. the ps3 is going to ruin sony unless they do something amazing. like ps3 halo 4 exclusive.

A little bit less than €1000 id say... oh and MGS4*

*Despite numerous rumours of an MGS game heading towards xBox360

1huge1

have to agree with you there
the sheer amount of people that wont buy a ps3 because of the price tag is amazing
im not saying its overpriced because its specs are top notch but all the same no one is gonna fork out say €700 for what really is a games console

Mushy

How much is this thing? I was thinking of getting one cos it looks like loadsa fun, plus the posts here now make it seem really cool. Im not one to care bout waiting till I get one, might not be till Christmas, otherwise studying would be non-extinct for me with the LC coming up

Jim

Shops have it at between €250 and €280. A price drop is rumoured for April.

dumbyearbook

PS3 @ €1000 - you must be joking !! Smyths will have it at €699 - mark my words..... and ok maybe it'll be €80 per game or whatever - thats still not €1000 - have we gone that inelastic in price!:eek:

Im a Wii fan anyway - the Ps3 i may buy as a blueray palyer if sony and co win that battle - which it look like they will, unless M$ and tosh get their way!!

slade_x

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

Shops have it at between €250 and €280. A price drop is rumoured for April.

To go indepth into whats rumored, or apparently accidently leaked info, in summer it will drop to €200 without wii sports and will stay €250 with wii sports. there will also be other colours available and a rumoured slight hardware upgrade

scrapland

dumbyearbook wrote:

Im a Wii fan anyway - the Ps3 i may buy as a blueray palyer if sony and co win that battle - which it look like they will, unless M$ and tosh get their way!!

Sony may win the console battle, but movie format? It's certainly not looking like it at the moment.

HD-DVD sales are 11 - 1 over BluRay. Argue all you like, but you cant argue with the retail figures.

HD-DVD at this present time is kicking BluRay's arse.

It currently uses the better advanced compression system and is giving a better experience than BluRay.

Disney who were advocates of BluRay have now decided to hold back to the later part of 2007, and are re-considering HD-DVD.

Optical HD Battle May Be Over: HD DVD Wins


By: Rob Enderle
December 6th, 2006

Nearly a year and a half ago I wrote a column saying that Blu-Ray wins or nothing does. This showcases the reality of doing predictions because while the analysis held up, events did not pan out as anticipated and by any current measure HD DVD will end this year with a decisive win.

The basis for the prediction, which did accurately point out that Sony’s win here might actually cost them more than a loss, was the PS3 and the forecast volumes for that product. Back in August of 2005 we did know that HD DVD, which used DVD production technology, would be easier to bring to market but it simply did not seem reasonable that Sony would put their PlayStation franchise at risk for anything but a technology they were absolutely certain they could bring to market on time.

That turned out to be incorrect. The problems with Blu-Ray have created extreme cost and execution problems for Sony and now their premier division (instead of being the profit center for Sony) is predicting they will take a $1.5B loss next year largely resulting from this decision. To put this in perspective, just think what would happen if Apple’s iPod group, instead of generating massive profit, suddenly dropped into massive loss. Now you can see why the Sony PlayStation division just changed out their top executives.

Why HD DVD is Winning

When you talk to either the HD DVD or the Blu-Ray camp you get the sense that neither actually watches movies much. Both cite features as the reason why folks will pick one or the other. Yes there is a lame shooting game in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Blu-Ray) and there are a ton of things you can do interactively in HD DVD (including changing car colors in one scene in The Fast and Furious III: Tokyo Drift). But the movie market moves on quality of movie, price of player, and price and availability of media.

At launch HD DVD players were about half the price of Blu-Ray players and the movie price for HD DVD is generally running about $5 less. In addition, many of the new HD DVD movies also have regular DVD side which means that buyers, most of which will have both HD DVD and DVD decks, will get better value with HD DVD than with Blu-Ray – that’s the theory anyways.

All that being said, the killing blow may have been done by Microsoft who decided to bring to market a $200 HD DVD option for their Xbox 360 which has been in market a year longer than Sony and is projected to have a near 20x installed base advantage by year end (10M Xbox 360 to 600K PS3). Note that both projections are aggressive but Sony was supposed to originally ship 2M PS3s into the market during the 4th quarter and actual numbers (given they had under 200K at launch) may be closer to 400K. And with a recall possible there is a chance they might not even make that. Add to this that the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive is for movies only, so each one counts for movie viewing while PS3s may not be used to watch movies and you have a situation where the active movie player advantage by year-end should be between 4x and 6x better for HD DVD over Blu-Ray.

Finally, HP who had been a big Blu-Ray supporter and dominates the Media Center PC market, introduced a $100 HD DVD upgrade for their PCs (Sony’s Blu-Ray VIAO solution was just dropped to $749). The impact of this last move is still too early to measure but there is no comparably priced (not even close) solution using Blu-Ray.

If you go to Amazon and look you can see HD DVDs are solidly ahead and this is before the impact of either the Microsoft or the HP moves, many of which won’t be opened until Christmas or haven’t yet been shipped (HP).

Now Sony will stick with a technology for years after the market has decided on another path and they do have some very strong supporters which include Dell, Apple, and Disney. Dell traditionally has been the PC bellwether company, Apple has the most loyal customer base, and Disney is the only Studio that people ask for by name. So these folks, particularly Sony, could drag this on for years. But if that is the case not only will many in the industry not make money, Sony will probably lose the most because they are still the ones doing the heavy lifting (In addition, after the battery problems, neither Dell nor Apple is as close to Sony as they had been).

Right now it appears impossible for Blu-Ray to gain a substantial lead on HD DVD, even after massive investment, they likely could only close the gap. If the HD market depends on the emergence of one as a standard and Blu-Ray no longer has a chance to be that standard, how long will it be before the Blu-Ray supporters follow HP and switch sides?

Do You Want One Standard?

Now you can evidently help drive this if you are so inclined. There is a petition that has been set up for you to voice your support if you believe that there should be only one and HD DVD is that one. You can find the petition here . Evidently they had collected 2,300 signatures at the time of this writing.

The petition was put together by HD NOW where the folks have collected a rather interesting list of supporting material which goes far farther than I have on supporting the conclusion that we’ve prematurely crossed over to the point where HD DVD has won the High Definition DVD competition.

Does Blu-Ray Die?

Blu-Ray has substantial storage capacity advantages for data and could survive as a high capacity personal computer storage medium. While expensive, one non-Sony vendor’s upcoming Blu-Ray laptop solution costs around $800 on top of a $3000 notebook but it gives that product an unmatched removable media capability. But this is a vastly better storage solution for a high-end PC it isn’t a high volume high definition movie watching solution.

So BluRay could indeed survive but probably not for movies only for PS3 games and high-end optical backup. The real question is does the PS3 survive or whether there will ever be a PS4. Some are saying that the PS3 is in deep trouble and some are saying the PS4 will never arrive with massive game defections from PS3 to Xbox.

Wrapping Up

The market wants one solution for High Definition video and we are already starting to see high definition downloads through services like Xbox live. Apple’s iTV is expected to go even further when it launches early next year. It may actually be too late for either of these platforms to move; if folks move aggressively to downloads for high definition content and if High Definition pay per view cable offerings continue to improve, even if I’m correct and HD DVD has won, it may have actually prevailed too late in the process to survive for long.

Be that as it may, with a 4x to 6x advantage by year end, you’d have to conclude that HD DVD has reached a point where it can’t lose and Blu-Ray is only now in a position to ensure both platforms lose. That last option still appears most likely if the market doesn’t move aggressively to one HD platform.

and as for games and consumer satisfaction

Study: A Blue Christmas for Blu-ray
Author: ERIK GRUENWEDEL
egruenwedel@questex.com
Posted: December 6, 2006
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Historical doubt about Sony’s technological innovations (Betamax and UMD) and corporate attitude finds a majority of online opinion favoring next-generation optical media format HD DVD over Blu-ray Disc, according to a new research study.

The report compiled by Cymfony Inc., a Watertown, Mass.-based market analytics firm, found that positive online discussions about HD DVD were 46% greater than Blu-ray, following scrutiny of 17,664 postings on social media sites, blogs and discussion boards between Oct. 1 and Thanksgiving.

The study found that early adopters — split between gamers and videophiles — spearheaded much of the online chatter. Closer inspection of 2,000 randomly selected posts found that 70% discussed the advantages of HD DVD compared to Blu-ray.

From this group, 23.4% viewed Blu-ray negatively compared to 14.2% for HD DVD; 53.1% were neutral toward Blu-ray (52.8% for HD DVD) and 32.9% viewed HD DVD positively compared to 23.5% for Blu-ray.

Cymfony observed little online discourse of Blu-ray’s expansive storage capacity over HD DVD, and found no discussion of the format’s alleged sophisticated interactivity.

In fact, the ongoing format war (16%) cost issues (14%), picture quality (7%), title selection (6%) and backward compatibility (3%) paled in importance to concerns about new video game console PlayStation 3 (21%) and general dislike (26%).

The latter, the study noted, was largely due to Sony’s alleged credibility as a technology innovator and ability to succeed with new platforms.

Gamers led the dissent by citing Sony’s inclusion of a Blu-ray drive in the PS3. Of the more than 350 posts discussing the advantages of HD DVD, 252 noted positively about Microsoft offering HD DVD as an option to Xbox 360.

“Sony forces you to buy Blu-ray,” read a post at forums.adventuregamers.com. “MS doesn’t force you to buy HD DVD. It’s about giving the consumer options.”

Spokespersons from the Blu-ray Disc Association and Sony were not immediately available for comment.

and further proof PS3 may not be helping BluRay

Playstation 3 not helping Blu-ray?
Playstation 3
Written by:
Henning Molbaek

First online:
Dec 5, 2006

After months of delay, the Playstation 3 finally hit the US on November 17th. The gaming console has long been known as Sony's secret weapon in the HD format war: Their Trojan Horse to get a blu-ray player into every home. However, it now looks as if also this launch from Sony is not having the impact they had hoped for. Many analysts claim that they were only able to ship 150,000 - 250,000 of the more than 400,000 promised units. These sold out quickly, but many units were bought with reselling at a high price in mind and not for gaming or movie use.

Sony sold the idea of Blu-ray to many studios with Playstation 3 as their biggest argument for supporting their format and not HD-DVD. Fox among others have said that the PS3 was one of the main reasons for their Blu-ray support.

So, here two weeks after launch, is the PS3 affecting sales? We did our own mini test on Amazon.com, and here is what we found.

If we look at the top three selling HD-DVD and Blu-ray discs, we find titles like "Superman: Returns" and "X-men 3." Each product on Amazon has a sales rank that indicates how well the product sells compared with other products of its kind. We took a look at how the HD discs compared with all standard DVDs, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray releases. Here are the numbers:

HD-DVD Top 3:
1# Superman: Returns
DVD Sales Rank: 162

2# Batman Begins
DVD Sales Rank: 352

3# Superman: The Movie
DVD Sales Rank: 803

Blu-ray Top 3:
1# Superman: Returns
DVD Sales Rank: 394

2# X-men 3: The last Stand
DVD Sales: 2279

3# Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut
DVD Sales Rank: 2373

So, the answer is, no. As you see, Blu-ray sells far less than HD-DVD and still has a lot of catching up to do. It looks as if it has proven far more difficult for Sony to both launch their own brand new format and to beat their competition. The numbers also show that regular DVD is doing great and has nothing to worry about right now. We will have to wait and see if Sony can turn this all around by spring.

dumbyearbook

I did nt know HD DVD was selling that much more scrapland thanks for the insight:D

I did say "...unless M$ and tosh get their way" if blu ray looses will PS3 owners not be able to get all movies for their players? seems like a big call/chance by sony?

Oh and as this is in the ninty section....question how long till we get a keyboard for wii?? type them 'oul emails...

coadyj

dumbyearbook wrote:

I did nt know HD DVD was selling that much more scrapland thanks for the insight:D

I did say "...unless M$ and tosh get their way" if blu ray looses will PS3 owners not be able to get all movies for their players? seems like a big call/chance by sony?

Oh and as this is in the ninty section....question how long till we get a keyboard for wii?? type them 'oul emails...

somehow i dont think sony will win this one.
lets look at some of the other revolusinary formats that sony made

1. Sony Memory Stick Duo - yeah you see suport for that everywhere.
2. UMD - appart from psp i dont think ive seen them anywhere else.
3. What was that rediculus video codec the brough out with the first viaos something like dmv1 5 min took 8gb. im suprised thats not still around.
4. the classic and you will all agree when i tell you this that "is all just a little history repeating itself"


wait for it......













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OH YEAH


The BETAMAX

could you even find it in the bronx in 1985, Ich dont think so...


so as you see sony is doomed to fail as they are always trying to go against popular demand. I think there should be an iso (international standerds organisation) the forces sony and ms to work on the same project.

hddvd is the futer and ps3 will faid into the background like the dreamcast

Wii and xbox will win this consol war

slayerking

coadyj wrote:

somehow i dont think sony will win this one.
lets look at some of the other revolusinary formats that sony made

1. Sony Memory Stick Duo - yeah you see suport for that everywhere.
2. UMD - appart from psp i dont think ive seen them anywhere else.
3. What was that rediculus video codec the brough out with the first viaos something like dmv1 5 min took 8gb. im suprised thats not still around.
4. the classic and you will all agree when i tell you this that "is all just a little history repeating itself"


wait for it......













...........














.....













OH YEAH


The BETAMAX

could you even find it in the bronx in 1985, Ich dont think so...


so as you see sony is doomed to fail as they are always trying to go against popular demand. I think there should be an iso (international standerds organisation) the forces sony and ms to work on the same project.

hddvd is the futer and ps3 will faid into the background like the dreamcast

Wii and xbox will win this consol war

Dont forget the MiniDisc....... they were great, never really took off though!!!

steviec

Well while we're talking about completely random irrelevant products from the past, Sony originally introduced the first 3.5" floppy disc which is probably about the most successful data format ever.

It's pretty hard to gauge how well the PS3 is doing when 100% of it's stock is selling out, only when supply meets demand will we see any real numbers. The other consoles have a head start right now, but that never helped the Saturn or the Dreamcast. The others are cheaper, but that never helped the gamecube. The games will be the deciding point in the end, and thats really where the 360 shines at the moment against a PS3 with only two high quality exclusives and a Wii with only one that it shares with the Gamecube. A year from now will likely be a different story.

Rhyme

coadyj wrote:

The BETAMAX

I've always kept the 3DO in mind but meh.

Don't rule out SONY because of a few little mistakes, their established fan base will take them through any problems they encounter and have encountered. Their real problems/boons will surface with their second array of games (is it just after Christmas?) as all those eBay PS3's will be in safe hands and we can actually trust sales figures.

But don't get me wrong, im not exactly rooting for SONY to succeed or fail for that matter, competition goes a long way among video games.

Pablo-El-Vagabu

I do not doubt that the sony fans will buy PS3's and it will sell quiet a lot, but I do not think it will be a major player until 2008 when the price drops to <€300.

The Wii will be very successful in the short term anyway. Next Christmas will be the deal breaker. If nintendo plays it's card right, it has the potential to wipe the floor with other two and it will rule the roost this gen.

Anyway with the great showing this Christmas it means that in 10 months time there will be bundles of Wii games as devs have taken notice and have started projects.

And as the Ps2 shows the winner is the console with the most games.

madmoe

Not nesessarily the most games, the console that is the winner has to be the one with the most BEST games, me thinks!

slade_x

madmoe wrote:

Not nesessarily the most games, the console that is the winner has to be the one with the most BEST games, me thinks!

In actually the console that wins the current console war will be the one with the largest market share and that generates the most revenue at the end of the fiscal year.

Retr0gamer

madmoe wrote:

Not nesessarily the most games, the console that is the winner has to be the one with the most BEST games, me thinks!

Never helped the Dreamcast.

Hobbes

AceCard Jones wrote:

I don't and have never thought of my Wii or any other of my Nintendo consoles as a "Fun party or multiplayer" machine.Ok fun yes but not on the note everyone else is using.

Funny, I would of said the reverse. My Gamecube would sit and gather dust unless people were around the house in which case it was mario party, monkeyball and Bloody Roar all around.

I tend to see Console as party games, PC as single player. But then thats me.

thebman

The_Minister wrote:

Are you saying that its not as powerful as the 360 or PS3? (noob here)
Do you think that this will have replay value, or will it be like the Dreamcast?

There are a couple of things to take into account with Wii.

Firstly it is underpowered but the games will get better looking than they are now. It is at least twice as powerful as the Gamecube which was more powerful than the PS2 so it is a good bit more powerful but nowhere near the 360 or PS3.

Secondly the games. Nintendo now have Sega support too so it is extremely unlikely IMO that they would take the console off the market. There are just too many loyal users to the fanbase. It should also be noted that the lack of power means that it is by far the cheapest console to develop for and the cheapest console to buy.

The whole point of Wii is to try to expand the gaming market and give a new, intuitive, innovative way to play games. Wii Sports is a good example of that which is why its bundled but Nintendo have all their classics planned too.

Of course in saying that Wii isn't for everyone. If power does it for you, Wii is not the console to buy. If you want the best online system, 360 is probably a better console for you (although you'll have to pay for the online) and if you want lots of multimedia features, Wii isn't really the console for you either.

Hobbes

This is the best PS3 vs Wii advert I have seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx1BeA6DyMM

Hobbes

More serious though this is what sold me on the Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Ky2Pg4w-Y

Gives a good breakdown of the games out and coming.