Battlestar Galactica - "The Eye of Jupiter - **spoilers**

Venom

Well the last episode of BSG of 2006 is upon us and what a way to end the year. Barring the pain in the hole Lee/Starbuck drama, this was a solid episode that opened up lots of can's of worm's for the second half of the season.

Sharon finds out her kids alive and the prez screwed her over big time so she better hope Santa gives her a bullet proof vest for xmas.

Adama's playing hardball bigtime and there aint nothing harder than nukes!

Baltar was fantastic as always but poor Six looked so hurt I think his 3 ways are over for 2007

Roll on Jan 21

Rollo Tamasi

that was fragtastic :eek:
cylans vs human
adama vs the pres
pres vs athena
appollo vs fisher
caprica 6 vs 3
and
baltar vs mankind and his mind (he looked really shakey in this episode)

All in the one episode!

TerrorFirmer

A very good episode, I must admit.

Vokes

Oh yes, I liked this episode. Great to see Leoben and Cavil back.

Again, some great symmetry here - The Temple of 5 and The Final 5 Cylons. Obviously not a co-incidence

The smirk on Tighs face at the end when Adama ordered the nukes be fired was priceless

And have to agree with sentiments in previous threads - Xenlon is getting more and more delicious as time goes by

Fenster

I didn't like the cliffhanger, it didn't have the tension of Pegasus (although they did use Prelude to War for the music, again). One bit that did impress me was the proceedures to launch the nukes. It was more impressive than, "fire photon torpedos."

Although Galactica had three nukes at last count, where did they get six+ from? Not Pegasus, surely.

gandalf

Good Episode, fairly solid with the exception of the Lee/Starbuck love crap which is getting old tbh.

But for god sake why the break, I hate mid season breaks, first Lost now BSG !!!!!

Venom

gandalf wrote:

Good Episode, fairly solid with the exception of the Lee/Starbuck love crap which is getting old tbh.

But for god sake why the break, I hate mid season breaks, first Lost now BSG !!!!!

The wait till the next episode sucks ass seeing as its a 2 parter but at least the wait is only a month and not the lame 6 month gaps that Stargate has between seasons.

Ri_Nollaig

great episode restored my faith after the previous two, best bit was the look on tighs face when he hears they can get balter back

Praetorian

Those frakkers frakking finishing the year with an amazing cliffhanger! Frak!

Vokes

Fenster wrote:

Although Galactica had three nukes at last count, where did they get six+ from? Not Pegasus, surely.

Pegasus would be the most logical answer. It was in the middle of a re-fit / re-arm during the Attack on the Colonies.

Alternatively, Adama could be just launching the rockets without nuke payloads. The payload could be something else (he asked Gaeta to load some codeword-type payload) that happens to be radioactive...

Discuss.



/EDIT: Ahh, its just clicked with me. I think it was on the extended cut version of "Pegasus" on the seaon 2 DVD, there's a new scene where its mentioned that more armaments are transferred to Galactica, and that may have included nukes I guess.

Barry Aldwell

"What are you doing?"
"Getting ready to nuke the planet"

Excellent, excellent episode.

Johnny Storm

Please clarify for me: Did Adama actually not know that the baby had lived after childbirth? I thought he was in on the decision to pretend it had died and hide the baby in the fleet?

Vokes

Yeah, that confused me too - I had thought Adama was in on it.


While the Colonials and Cylons think the Eye of Jupiter is an artefact, it seems a bit more obvious that it's a celestial event i.e. a supernova, and it'll happen in such a way that a signpost will get lit-up in the temple, perhaps?

Also, check out the Eye of Jupiter mural in Starbuck's apartment...

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Valley_of_Darkness

Foresight by the writers or just co-incidence? :eek:

MisterAnarchy

Johnny Storm wrote:

Please clarify for me: Did Adama actually not know that the baby had lived after childbirth? I thought he was in on the decision to pretend it had died and hide the baby in the fleet?

I'm almost 100% sure he did know.
A very average episode overall.
Adama has become a shadow of himself,his lines are now corny and his actions illogical .
This whole Cylons popping up everywhere the Colonials are is getting tiresome and predictable.
The Lee-Starbuck affair is woeful and should be dropped.
I dont care for either of these 2 characters enough.
The whole Baltar ,number 3 plot is silly and I miss his talks with number 6 .
The show has deteriorated alot since the start of series 3 and it must get back on track or it will be axed as the ratings are dropping steadily.
I used to love watching a new episode of BSG,I'd be all excited.
Now I dont have the same interest.
The menace of the Cylons is gone ,the time jumps in the episodes is weakening the show and most importantly it seems like the writers are trying to fit a story arc into each episode,i.e wrap it up in 40 mins.

Fletch123

Johnny Storm wrote:

Please clarify for me: Did Adama actually not know that the baby had lived after childbirth? I thought he was in on the decision to pretend it had died and hide the baby in the fleet?

I think he did know, but he thought the child would be given away anonomously, and that Laura wouldn't have any contact with it. The fact that she kept it close to her at the school means that she could have compromised its secret identity, and thats what Adama is annoyed about, that she didn't tell him that the baby was being kept under her watch.

They are good episodes, but I'd agree that they don't have as much excitement in them because there hasn't been much viper-action. But, I'm hoping they'll pick it up for the second halfof season 3, and the cliffhanger was pretty good.

mcgarnicle

SofaKing wrote:

Yeah, that confused me too - I had thought Adama was in on it.


While the Colonials and Cylons think the Eye of Jupiter is an artefact, it seems a bit more obvious that it's a celestial event i.e. a supernova, and it'll happen in such a way that a signpost will get lit-up in the temple, perhaps?

Also, check out the Eye of Jupiter mural in Starbuck's apartment...



Foresight by the writers or just co-incidence? :eek:

That would make perfect sense, excellent theory.

I liked this episode a lot, it wasn't the usual shoot and run encounter and opened up a new dynamic in the human-cylon plot.

thelordofcheese

Very good episode, though the whole lee/dualla/kara/anders thing is kinda starting to grate just a wee bit.

Still worth it for the whole "Getting ready to nuke the planet" bit.

tvnutz

good episode. but i agree the love story thing with lee,anders,dee and starbuck is boring me. have you seen the teaser for the next episode? we get a cool cliffhanger in this ep with the teaser is about the love quadrangle...:D :rolleyes:

sioda

Really felt this episode reminded me of the Count Ibly ep from the original series. I was waiting for the spots in the sky.

Cant wait to see what Athena is going to do about Hera

The love connection crap is grating as everyone has said.

Poor Baltar only having one cylon this christmas.

Roll on 07

Goodshape

Feels to me that they're still recovering from the events at the start of the season, insofar as the writers have been left without a clear plot to follow. Maybe they squeezed a bit too much into the first couple of year, definitely noticing an increase in 40-minute story-arcs. Although all that could just be down to the mid-season slump.

Lack of excitement and wonder aside, I still enjoyed it thoroughly. Need I say that Baltar was great? Teigh was fantastic in this episode too, it is good to have him back by Adama's side. And Dean Stockbot - excellent character.

Storywise it was interesting enough but just a damned cliffhanger really.. going to have to wait until next year to find out what's going on, and I don't like speculating.

...and I must be just a big softy at heart, because I don't really mind the love quadrangle business. You sort of have to have it a show like this and I'm actually interested to see how they handle it (Starbuck definitely has some conflicting religion issues).

Barry Aldwell

Goodshape wrote:

Storywise it was interesting enough but just a damned cliffhanger really.. going to have to wait until next year to find out what's going on, and I don't like speculating.

The trailer for the rest of the season pretty much diffuses any wonder about the two cliffhangers (Starbuck's fate and whether or not Adama will nuke the planet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yuuZfE65BM

Goodshape wrote:

...and I must be just a big softy at heart, because I don't really mind the love quadrangle business. You sort of have to have it a show like this and I'm actually interested to see how they handle it (Starbuck definitely has some conflicting religion issues).

I don't mind it either, it gives the show yet another interesting dimension, rather than being all about nuking stuff and killing cylons.

Rollo Tamasi

I don't know why everyone is getting the hump about Starbuck & Apollo's love triangle. It only became apparant in the last two episodes previous to this that there was a bit of fraggin going on.

If it were up to me I would take Dee any day of the week. You just know starbuck is a closet lesbian. Tank her up with booze and she'd probably ride a sheep..or at least a virtual sheep or whatever. Dee is the best looking lady on BSG imo.

iguana

Did the episode seem too rushed to anyone else? It's part of the one big, big criticism that I have for BSG, they have these really dreary stand alone episodes like Skar/Blackmarket in S2 and the previous three this year which would be forgivable if they needed these episodes to stretch the story to 22 episodes. But when they do the big stories they are often rushing to fit too much in.

This year we got "the Tigh episode," "the Lee&Kara episode" and for some reason "the Kat episode." If the could have found a way to pull off the character development for the three major characters, kill off Kat and the events of the last ep over the course of four interlocking episodes while steadily advancing the arc it would have been amazing. Instead we got three episodes of 50:50; good:crap and one rushed finale.

That said parts of the episode were pure gold. I absolutely loved Baltar's "Laura?" And Athena and Boomer's confrontation. I miss Boomer and would like to see a little more of her.

rocky

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

You just know starbuck is a closet lesbian. Tank her up with booze and she'd probably ride a sheep..or at least a virtual sheep or whatever.

QFT

MisterAnarchy

iguana wrote:

Did the episode seem too rushed to anyone else? It's part of the one big, big criticism that I have for BSG, they have these really dreary stand alone episodes like Skar/Blackmarket in S2 and the previous three this year which would be forgivable if they needed these episodes to stretch the story to 22 episodes. But when they do the big stories they are often rushing to fit too much in.

This year we got "the Tigh episode," "the Lee&Kara episode" and for some reason "the Kat episode." If the could have found a way to pull off the character development for the three major characters, kill off Kat and the events of the last ep over the course of four interlocking episodes while steadily advancing the arc it would have been amazing. Instead we got three episodes of 50:50; good:crap and one rushed finale.

That said parts of the episode were pure gold. I absolutely loved Baltar's "Laura?" And Athena and Boomer's confrontation. I miss Boomer and would like to see a little more of her.

Yip it was too rushed.
I dont like these time jumps and scene jumps either,its hurting the show.

iguana

MisterAnarchy wrote:

I dont like these time jumps and scene jumps either,its hurting the show.

One of the things I used to love about BSG was how slowly it went. 33 was literally days after the event of the pilot. And the presidential election was held 7 months after the events of Bastille Day so most of the first two series took place in about 8 months, and by then there had already been a jump forward by a month in The Capitan's Hand.

Part of the reason that this was so good was that it meant that everything that happened in an episode had consequences. Such as when Starbuck broke her leg in Act of Contrition it remained broken for 6 episodes. It gave the show a real sense of urgency and it made you really feel as if you were along for the ride.

gunnerfitzy

Not trying to over analyse here but:

If the cylons could jam communications then why didn't they do it in all the battles and then there would be no communications between vipers and between vipers and galactica?? The war would have been over ages ago.

How many nukes does it take to wipe out a temple? 1 should do it i'd imagine.

How many nukes does it take to wipe out a planet? Alot more that 8!

How did the cylons know a target package was been loaded into the weapons?

Why didn't Adama just intercept the raiders?

Other than that it was a good episode. Lee and Starbuck love affair is becoming tiresome alright!!!

Still can't wait for second half of the season though!!

spooydermot

argh! according to the clip on youTube there are no new season 3 eps until end of january.....and whats that god-awful music playing over it?

Ciaran B

gunnerfitzy wrote:

How many nukes does it take to wipe out a temple? 1 should do it i'd imagine.

How many nukes does it take to wipe out a planet? Alot more that 8!

I'd wager at least one of the nukes is pointed at the star about to go Super-Nova; that'd take care of the whole planet.

gunnerfitzy

Ciaran B wrote:

I'd wager at least one of the nukes is pointed at the star about to go Super-Nova; that'd take care of the whole planet.

I could argue about the heat of the star detonating the nuke before getting next or near close enough to cause it to go super-nova but then we would be getting really nitty gritty :-D

Vokes

If Star Trek Generations has taught Ronald D. Moore anything, it's that if one of Adama's 'special payloads' contains a trilithium core, then there should be no problem taking out the star

Stark

The bad: Lee&Kara - Makes the show look like a bad daytime soap as opposed to the current king of sci-fi dramas.

The middling: It's great that Athena found out about Hera but she took it a little too well imo. I would have expected more than "That was very mean of you Adama". I hope she's just biding her time until she psycho-Mommy can strike hard.

The whole Temple of Five plotline seems like a rehash of last year's Tomb of Athena. I hope they retrieve something worthwhile from it before they blow it up.

The good: Baltar's return to Galactica with cylons in tow.

More Baltar and D'anna Biers nuttiness.

Barry Aldwell

Stark wrote:

The whole Temple of Five plotline seems like a rehash of last year's Tomb of Athena. I hope they retrieve something worthwhile from it before they blow it up.

I was watching Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2 earlier (got the boxset for Christmas, yay DVD quality BSG!) and listening to the podcast for it (which I had to download myself, there are only 3 podcasts included in the boxset, boo!), and Ron Moore was discussing his original plans for how he was going to play the season 1 finale on Kobol....the Chief was going to find a Temple, and Apollo was going to be in command of everyone down on the planet, defending against a Cylon assault.....sound familiar? Seems the Temple of Five thing is a rehash of an idea that predated the Tomb of Athena.

Stark wrote:

The good: Baltar's return to Galactica with cylons in tow.

(MASSIVE spoilers, don't read unless you want Rapture ruined for you)

And he stays on Galactica after Rapture, along with Hera

gunnerfitzy

SofaKing wrote:

If Star Trek Generations has taught Ronald D. Moore anything, it's that if one of Adama's 'special payloads' contains a trilithium core, then there should be no problem taking out the star

If they had anything as advanced as trilithium then they wouldn't be running around with personal weapons strangely identical to those in use on present-day earth manufactured by H&K and FN amongst others

User45701

Venom wrote:

Well the last episode of BSG of 2006 is upon us and what a way to end the year. Barring the pain in the hole Lee/Starbuck drama, this was a solid episode that opened up lots of can's of worm's for the second half of the season.

Sharon finds out her kids alive and the prez screwed her over big time so she better hope Santa gives her a bullet proof vest for xmas.

i dont know i dont think that Athena will kill her

Venom wrote:

Adama's playing hardball bigtime and there aint nothing harder than nukes!

Baltar was fantastic as always but poor Six looked so hurt I think his 3 ways are over for 2007

Roll on Jan 21

Different than the season 2 cliff hanger i know he wont nuke the planet but i dont know what he is going to do.

Ye poor 6 i love the way this show actually causes a emotional response in me. She relay looked pained and hurt and i dont get it i thought that baltar actually loved her, which means that he either 1. Has his own plan (like always) or 2. He loves head six not flesh and blood six

Fenster wrote:

I didn't like the cliffhanger, it didn't have the tension of Pegasus (although they did use Prelude to War for the music, again). One bit that did impress me was the proceedures to launch the nukes. It was more impressive than, "fire photon torpedos."

Although Galactica had three nukes at last count, where did they get six+ from? Not Pegasus, surely.

From pegasus , they said it in resurrection ship part 1, that Pegasus was supplying galactica

One thing i didnt like was them reusing prelude to war i was hoping for something new

SofaKing wrote:

Oh yes, I liked this episode. Great to see Leoben and Cavil back.

Again, some great symmetry here - The Temple of 5 and The Final 5 Cylons. Obviously not a co-incidence

The smirk on Tighs face at the end when Adama ordered the nukes be fired was priceless

Tigh looked like he didn't believe it.

Temple of 5 is relay interesting that humans who left kobol a long time ago would construct anything that could possibly be related to a race of beings that had not even been conceived of when the temple was

SofaKing wrote:

Pegasus would be the most logical answer. It was in the middle of a re-fit / re-arm during the Attack on the Colonies.

Alternatively, Adama could be just launching the rockets without nuke payloads. The payload could be something else (he asked Gaeta to load some codeword-type payload) that happens to be radioactive...

Discuss.



/EDIT: Ahh, its just clicked with me. I think it was on the extended cut version of "Pegasus" on the seaon 2 DVD, there's a new scene where its mentioned that more armaments are transferred to Galactica, and that may have included nukes I guess.

Ye it was the deleted scenes.

Interesting idea that they arnt real nukes tho!

SofaKing wrote:

While the Colonials and Cylons think the Eye of Jupiter is an artefact, it seems a bit more obvious that it's a celestial event i.e. a supernova, and it'll happen in such a way that a signpost will get lit-up in the temple, perhaps?

Emm i dont think so i htink the eye is the planet itself or maybe the entire temple
(i have the same idea for whats going on in SG1 as well btw one of them has to be right )

iguana wrote:

Did the episode seem too rushed to anyone else? It's part of the one big, big criticism that I have for BSG, they have these really dreary stand alone episodes like Skar/Blackmarket in S2 and the previous three this year which would be forgivable if they needed these episodes to stretch the story to 22 episodes. But when they do the big stories they are often rushing to fit too much in.

I didnt think it was too rushed i mean they could had the first few planet scenes in the previous episode to leave room for a longer cylon/baltar/adama talk

iguana wrote:

Part of the reason that this was so good was that it meant that everything that happened in an episode had consequences. Such as when Starbuck broke her leg in Act of Contrition it remained broken for 6 episodes. It gave the show a real sense of urgency and it made you really feel as if you were along for the ride.

Yes it has a much more real feel to it.
I do like the way injurys do stay and there are no bsg stand-a-lone episodes
they are all important.
But still i just cant for the life of me understand why some people don't like "Skar" it was amazing

gunnerfitzy wrote:

Not trying to over analyse here but:

If the cylons could jam communications then why didn't they do it in all the battles and then there would be no communications between vipers and between vipers and galactica?? The war would have been over ages ago.

A Fair point one of the few "mistakes" in BSG still tho its a great show and one hole like that is nothing compared to the amount of holes in other sc-fi's

gunnerfitzy wrote:

How many nukes does it take to wipe out a temple? 1 should do it i'd imagine.

One to destroy a temple yes so it is odd that he would waste so many nukes and even odder that they where not used in the battle over new caprica

gunnerfitzy wrote:

How many nukes does it take to wipe out a planet? Alot more that 8!

There not talking about incinerating the planet adama knows the nova will do that its likley he wont launch them and that he is bluffing

gunnerfitzy wrote:

How did the cylons know a target package was been loaded into the weapons?

It seems to be common practice because it was the same in star trek they can detect a weapons lock which is in a way the same as a target package.

gunnerfitzy wrote:

Why didn't Adama just intercept the raiders?

No raisin to (yes raisin) there where 4 base stars if they wanted to they could throw more than enough raiders to intercept and destroy any vipers

Well all in all it was a great episode anyway.
A have to say i love bsg and i loved every episode this season but i am getting very concerned that a 4th season has not been confirmed yet and also i am concerned at the fall in ratings and the complaints regarding recent episodes of BSG

And ill say it again i do not understand why people do not like the episode "Skar"