I hate Ireland/Dublin.

petrochemical

I'm in a bad mood today,so I've decided to rant about Ireland/Dublin.
Things I hate about Dublin:

1. The Architecture- an international embarassment. Not a single building I can think of, old or new, that compares to some of the stuff I've seen abroad, even in really poor countries. The architects have no aesthetics, they don't know what looks good. Of course, you'll find plenty of Architectural awards and books stating the contrary, with loads of BS about light and space, and the juxtaposition of bla, bla, bla...Sorry, not good enough- e.g. Liberty Hall

2. I can't relax in this city anymore. Dublin used to be relaxed. Now, everywhere I go I'm worried that I'm not keeping up with Mr Celtic Tiger and his 15 houses and 100,000 euro car. Everything is a bloody rat race. With no winners.

3. The drinking. Another source of cringing international embarassment. I've seen so many friends turn into shadows of their former selves because of this. We seem to revel in it, instead of just not doing it. Have a coke, you idiots. Save your brain and your liver. Look at George Best. What a coward. They should rename Belfast Airport, Cowards Airport, in honour of someone who was to cowardly to face his life, an emotional cripple. And that's what alcoholics are. They don't even know why they drink.

4. Scumbags. They're everywhere. With their hoodies and their boy racer stupid looking tin cans. And their God's Kitchen "music", which sounds like a car alarm. They're so aggressive. You look at them or ask them directions, and they're itching to hit you. They think they're so hard, but their "Urban" culture doesn't compare with that of Europe or the States. Look at the Graffiti, crap. They can't breakdance, and "Spi-dur" is their laughable attempt at Hip-hop/gangsta cool. And they put that accent on, no doubt. Hammed up to the max.

5. Taxi drivers- scum of the earth. Typical uneducated (or self ed-u-in-cay-ted) opinionated, angry, hateful, greedy, mercenaries. They'd kill their own mother for a fare. God knows how many times I've nearly been killed by their driving.

6. Cultural Snobs- The new breed of Hi-Co's as David Mc Williams calls them. Prime example- John Kelly. Just because you listen to Mongolian warblers does not mean that you are better than me. Morons.

More later, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............

cuppa

shut up please ,,sounds like a rant for anyone in any city whos unhappy.
oh u forgot dublin bus ,,the dart,,the trees are not green enough,,and bad pints

Rabies

That was lovely read.
When are you planning on leaving the country?

petrochemical

7. The whole gaelic culture thing. First of all, gaelic culture was effectively dead in this country by the 1650's as far as I know. It's "revival" was done purely to further the political goals of certain individuals. I wouldn't mind but the bastardised version of "Irish" that we are forced to learn in schools doesn't bear any resemblance to the original Gael, which is indecipherable. I mean we might as well be learning Cornish! Kevin Myers is absolutely right. Put it in a University, make it optional. What a disgraceful waste of time and resources. How many billions have been spent translating documents for what? For absolutely nothing.

8.The music. How monotonous does that become, after a few bars? And yet these musicians pump it out. How the hell do they remember all the notes? I think they make half of it up as they go along.

9. Gaelic football- Hilarious. As a Polish guy said to me " It doesn't know what it is. It is basketball and football at the same time!" How do you tackle a player? I have yet to see a successful tackle. And the tactics seem to consist of man marking and, bog ball upfield, run back, jump to catch, hand pass to player running forward, repeat...
And the sado/masochistic training methods- most players are crippled with arthritis when older, egged on by a psycho coach. You don't train everyday unless you want to destroy your joints. Never mind the 20 year out of date kits, and the open hostility to new players.

10. The fast driving. Lets admit it, especially down the country, 99% drive slightly over the limit, tailgating. Anyone who drives sensibly is bullied off the road by some middle aged businessman. Yes, thats right, the worst drivers in this country are middle aged businessmen, not young people. Maybe young people crash more, but middle aged businessmen force susceptible people to drive badly through imitation- a subconscious thing. Some people would rather die than drive slowly- only pussies drive slowly. Wrong, only idiots drive fast.

11. The whole ethos of the country is pass the buck, avoid blame, get rich quick. No vision. This is reflected in everything- the house boom, yet no manufacturing base- our economy headed for meltdown. And of course those who own property will immediately jump to the economy's defense with figures, yet a 30% house price drop is predicted by outside observers like The Economist.

12. A total inability to delegate. Bosses are mortgaged up to their eyeballs, and terrified to let go.

13. Myth of Irish friendliness. Many foreigners I've talked to have debunked this myth. Irish people are not friendly, They are haters. Full of jealousy, begrudgery, quite aggressive.

14. The culture of slagging- Our teenage years are a mountain of abuse delivered to us in a nasty, hateful way by our so called "mates". Again symtomatic of the culture of hate.

15. Irish beauties. There are none. Irish women are ugly, misshapen, unfriendly gold diggers, without sex appeal, who want to "beat" Irish men at their own game. Thats not whining. I've been with women from around the world.

16. We are probably the worst dressed people in Europe, if not the world. Anyone who tries to dress well gets slagged into oblivion, and called a pussy.

17. The waste- Bike lanes, lay one, tear it up, lay it again. WTF? New kerbs at bus stops, at a cost of E30 000? Insane.

18. Our social awkwardness- An irishman stands out internationally because he's so gauche. No refinement, no worldliness, hunched over (again because if he stood up straight, he'd be slagged to death) pint of disgusting Guinness in hand. Man, the rest of the world is laughing at us.

19. School sports- anyone who isn't good is left by the wayside so the teachers can relive their youth through the Senior Cup Team. Instead of encouraging sports as an individual hobby, it becomes a means of comparison with other schools. And that whole D4 rugby crowd. What a bunch of arrogant morons. Think you're a toughman? Don't worry, when your body is destroyed by arthritis when your 30 we'll see whose the "Elite".

More to follow. Don't worry, on a good day I'll be singing Ireland's praises!
Grrrrrrrrrr...............

breadmonkey

Stop being such a retard please.

And BTW, it's pretty obvious from your post that you've never spent long enough anywhere else in the world to realise how good ou have it here. I would also say you were picked last for football in school.

petrochemical

Look, it's just a rant. It's not meant to be taken seriously! Like I said I'll be singing Ireland's parises next. I love Ireland as much as the next person. And yes I've been around the world. And I was picked last in school for football. You were obviously picked first, and have been looking back on that time ever since.

breadmonkey

I went through various phases of being picked middly and picked last. It was weird like that.

John R

Here's an idea; if you're so bloody unhappy here then why don't you piss off elsewhere. That way you will have a whole other group of people to spread your misery to. I'm sure they will be enthralled with your tales of woe from the old country.

That crap was hardly worth one thread, double posting it was really pushing it.

Rabies

13. Myth of Irish friendliness. Many foreigners I've talked to have debunked this myth. Irish people are not friendly, They are haters. Full of jealousy, begrudgery, quite aggressive.

Good thread you have here.

So, what has this got to do with Travel & Holidays? Are you going some where (please)?
If it is just a rant and moan thread then take it to a different forum.

Karl Hungus

petrochemical wrote:

13. Myth of Irish friendliness. Many foreigners I've talked to have debunked this myth. Irish people are not friendly, They are haters. Full of jealousy, begrudgery, quite aggressive.

Full of irony too, by the looks of things.

rugbug86

surely the "places" forum would be more appropriate? unless he's trying to turn people off ireland. tbh, if I read someting like this i wouldn't want to visit a country which had people like him in it.

Can't believe I'm gonna do this, but in response...

1. The Architecture- an international embarassment. Not a single building I can think of, old or new, that compares to some of the stuff I've seen abroad, even in really poor countries. The architects have no aesthetics, they don't know what looks good. Of course, you'll find plenty of Architectural awards and books stating the contrary, with loads of BS about light and space, and the juxtaposition of bla, bla, bla...Sorry, not good enough- e.g. Liberty Hall

so what! people don't want big tall buildings in ireland. and I for one think that the area around the IFSC/docklands is very pretty. Especially at the liffey.

2. I can't relax in this city anymore. Dublin used to be relaxed. Now, everywhere I go I'm worried that I'm not keeping up with Mr Celtic Tiger and his 15 houses and 100,000 euro car. Everything is a bloody rat race. With no winners.

there's a great big park, go for a walk in it. why worry about keeping up with the celtic tiger? can you not just be happy with what you have?

3. The drinking. Another source of cringing international embarassment. I've seen so many friends turn into shadows of their former selves because of this. We seem to revel in it, instead of just not doing it. Have a coke, you idiots. Save your brain and your liver. Look at George Best. What a coward. They should rename Belfast Airport, Cowards Airport, in honour of someone who was to cowardly to face his life, an emotional cripple. And that's what alcoholics are. They don't even know why they drink.

really? do you have any figures for the number of alcoholics in ireland? just because people enjoy a beer or two does not make them alcoholics.

4. Scumbags. They're everywhere. With their hoodies and their boy racer stupid looking tin cans. And their God's Kitchen "music", which sounds like a car alarm. They're so aggressive. You look at them or ask them directions, and they're itching to hit you. They think they're so hard, but their "Urban" culture doesn't compare with that of Europe or the States. Look at the Graffiti, crap. They can't breakdance, and "Spi-dur" is their laughable attempt at Hip-hop/gangsta cool. And they put that accent on, no doubt. Hammed up to the max.

how are these people any different to the likes of the people in the bronx in NY or chavs in london? its what they do.

and scumbags don't breakdance

5. Taxi drivers- scum of the earth. Typical uneducated (or self ed-u-in-cay-ted) opinionated, angry, hateful, greedy, mercenaries. They'd kill their own mother for a fare. God knows how many times I've nearly been killed by their driving.

so take the bus. or your car. sure whats the problem in driving if you're not gonna drink???

and its the same world-over. especially in new york. and morocco.

6. Cultural Snobs- The new breed of Hi-Co's as David Mc Williams calls them. Prime example- John Kelly. Just because you listen to Mongolian warblers does not mean that you are better than me. Morons.

so what if someone likes listening to "mongolian warblers". thats not your problem.

7. The whole gaelic culture thing. First of all, gaelic culture was effectively dead in this country by the 1650's as far as I know. It's "revival" was done purely to further the political goals of certain individuals. I wouldn't mind but the bastardised version of "Irish" that we are forced to learn in schools doesn't bear any resemblance to the original Gael, which is indecipherable. I mean we might as well be learning Cornish! Kevin Myers is absolutely right. Put it in a University, make it optional. What a disgraceful waste of time and resources. How many billions have been spent translating documents for what? For absolutely nothing.

so you want our history to go down the potty? i agree that the cirriculum does need to be reviewed for irish in schools, but seriously, ^ is a bit overboard.

8.The music. How monotonous does that become, after a few bars? And yet these musicians pump it out. How the hell do they remember all the notes? I think they make half of it up as they go along.

can you not appreciate a good aye-diddly-aye tune?

the music is part of our culture. its there so that the john kelly's in mongolia can return the favour.

9. Gaelic football- Hilarious. As a Polish guy said to me " It doesn't know what it is. It is basketball and football at the same time!" How do you tackle a player? I have yet to see a successful tackle. And the tactics seem to consist of man marking and, bog ball upfield, run back, jump to catch, hand pass to player running forward, repeat...
And the sado/masochistic training methods- most players are crippled with arthritis when older, egged on by a psycho coach. You don't train everyday unless you want to destroy your joints. Never mind the 20 year out of date kits, and the open hostility to new players.

if i could direct you to a thread on my college forum, i would. the gaa have so much money and are investing it in players. i personally don't follow the sport, but i will watch it. and i disagree with the above. again, its part of our culture. the mongolian john kelly needs to watch something while listening to his music.

10. The fast driving. Lets admit it, especially down the country, 99% drive slightly over the limit, tailgating. Anyone who drives sensibly is bullied off the road by some middle aged businessman. Yes, thats right, the worst drivers in this country are middle aged businessmen, not young people. Maybe young people crash more, but middle aged businessmen force susceptible people to drive badly through imitation- a subconscious thing. Some people would rather die than drive slowly- only pussies drive slowly. Wrong, only idiots drive fast.

ok, i'll agree with this one. but its not just middle aged men. i think old people are the worst. the ones who insist on driving at 30 km/hr on the motorway.

11. The whole ethos of the country is pass the buck, avoid blame, get rich quick. No vision. This is reflected in everything- the house boom, yet no manufacturing base- our economy headed for meltdown. And of course those who own property will immediately jump to the economy's defense with figures, yet a 30% house price drop is predicted by outside observers like The Economist.

surely a price drop in houses can only be a good thing, no?

12. A total inability to delegate. Bosses are mortgaged up to their eyeballs, and terrified to let go.

i dont think there's an inability to delegate.

13. Myth of Irish friendliness. Many foreigners I've talked to have debunked this myth. Irish people are not friendly, They are haters. Full of jealousy, begrudgery, quite aggressive.

just like you? i wouldn't be too pleased to meet you, or meet irish people if you were my first impression of them.

14. The culture of slagging- Our teenage years are a mountain of abuse delivered to us in a nasty, hateful way by our so called "mates". Again symtomatic of the culture of hate.

teenagers slagging happens everywhere. ireland is not the worst place for it.

15. Irish beauties. There are none. Irish women are ugly, misshapen, unfriendly gold diggers, without sex appeal, who want to "beat" Irish men at their own game. Thats not whining. I've been with women from around the world.

i'm not going to dignify this with a response.

16. We are probably the worst dressed people in Europe, if not the world. Anyone who tries to dress well gets slagged into oblivion, and called a pussy.

seriously, you're just pulling words from the sky at this stage. we dress fine.

17. The waste- Bike lanes, lay one, tear it up, lay it again. WTF? New kerbs at bus stops, at a cost of E30 000? Insane.

what? and the new kerbs were to stop slippyness when getting off buses.

18. Our social awkwardness- An irishman stands out internationally because he's so gauche. No refinement, no worldliness, hunched over (again because if he stood up straight, he'd be slagged to death) pint of disgusting Guinness in hand. Man, the rest of the world is laughing at us.

maybe a farmer, but you can't stereotype all irish men. surely you're more worldly cos of all the stunning international women you've been with.

19. School sports- anyone who isn't good is left by the wayside so the teachers can relive their youth through the Senior Cup Team. Instead of encouraging sports as an individual hobby, it becomes a means of comparison with other schools. And that whole D4 rugby crowd. What a bunch of arrogant morons. Think you're a toughman? Don't worry, when your body is destroyed by arthritis when your 30 we'll see whose the "Elite".

yes, because arthritis is the new fashion accessory. grow up. exercise doesn't cause arthritis.

/end of rant

petrochemical

You're just upset because you're part of the D4 rugabuga "elite".

"so what! people don't want big tall buildings in ireland. and I for one think that the area around the IFSC/docklands is very pretty. Especially at the liffey."

So what, you say? I believe Architecture is integral to the way people think and feel about their society and culture. Look how much signifigance the rest of the world places on it. Dublin is a mess. And it's high time we had high rise buildings to stop urban sprawl.

"and scumbags don't breakdance"

Yeah, because their version of Urban culture is so naff.

"so you want our history to go down the potty? i agree that the cirriculum does need to be reviewed for irish in schools, but seriously, ^ is a bit overboard."

Our history wasn't mentioned. My point was that Gaelic "culture" is contrived nonsense. And it's not overboard. Billions of Euros and countless hours of school time have been wasted.

"really? do you have any figures for the number of alcoholics in ireland? just because people enjoy a beer or two does not make them alcoholics."

I never said that either. But drinking is out of control in Ireland.

"so what if someone likes listening to "mongolian warblers". thats not your problem."

I never said it was. But cultural snobbery is ridiculous.

"so take the bus. or your car. sure whats the problem in driving if you're not gonna drink???"

Until I get run over by an taxi driver.

"can you not appreciate a good aye-diddly-aye tune?

the music is part of our culture."

Indeed. A largely contrived culture. We were a cosmopolitan European city until the Act of Union. With the Gaelic Revival we became "Oirish". Ditto for Gaelic Football. An invented game that's still trying to sort out it's rules, more than 100 years later.

"surely a price drop in houses can only be a good thing, no?"

Learn basic Economics.

"i dont think there's an inability to delegate."

In Ireland, the ability to delegate is the exception. I've worked under many bosses, very few of who could. This point has been made to me by numerous people, Irish and foreign.

"just like you? i wouldn't be too pleased to meet you, or meet irish people if you were my first impression of them."

This is irrelevant to my point. You might like me. Take this post in context. It's a rant. Nothing more.

"seriously, you're just pulling words from the sky at this stage. we dress fine."

Irish people have no style. Compare them to Europeans.

"what? and the new kerbs were to stop slippyness when getting off buses."

So people must have been slipping all over the place before? Ridiculous. This is an example of PC gone mad. It's a complete waste of money.

"maybe a farmer, but you can't stereotype all irish men. surely you're more worldly cos of all the stunning international women you've been with."

You can stay with all the Irish "beauties". Name one really beautiful Irish woman. I can't. When I hear an Irish accent abroad, I cringe.

"yes, because arthritis is the new fashion accessory. grow up. exercise doesn't cause arthritis."

The exact cause of rheumatoid arthritis (RA) currently is unknown. In fact, there probably isn’t an exact cause for RA. Researchers now are debating whether RA is one disease or several different diseases with common features. But show me one former athlete who doesn't have some pain in their joints, either from Arthritis or Injury. The overtraining that Gaelic Football players do is heading straight for disaster.

mike65

Thunderdome tbh.

Mike.

luckat

I'd have to agree with some of what Petrochemichal says. Yes, we don't have good architecture - we didn't have wealthy 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th centuries like many now impoverished countries, where there are beautiful buildings built with the money made from merchant trade or wrung from the enslavement of other countries.

We could certainly do with a taste injection - in clothes, manners, poise, gait, architecture and kindliness. No question.

And Petrochemical's right about the drinking, too: unhappiness and stress are making people use alcohol as an escape instead of having a couple of drinks and some good food and enjoying the night of a weekend.

The 'Gaelic' stuff - well, s/he just doesn't have correct information there.

But yes, Ireland does need to turn towards taste and beauty in all areas.

rugbug86

You're just upset because you're part of the D4 rugabuga "elite".

not true at all. i'm a 20 year old girl who PLAYS rugby, not just watches. from the northside. I couldn't be any further from the stereotypical D4 head.

Killaqueen!!!

People, relax, the lad is obviously taking the piss he has no arguement whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Rabies

mike65 wrote:

Thunderdome tbh.

Would Tina Turner be able to handle him?

JC 2K3

petrochemical wrote:

cultural snobbery is ridiculous.

Contradiction much?

petrochemical wrote:

1. The Architecture- an international embarassment. Not a single building I can think of, old or new, that compares to some of the stuff I've seen abroad, even in really poor countries. The architects have no aesthetics, they don't know what looks good. Of course, you'll find plenty of Architectural awards and books stating the contrary, with loads of BS about light and space, and the juxtaposition of bla, bla, bla...Sorry, not good enough- e.g. Liberty Hall

petrochemical wrote:

3. The drinking. Another source of cringing international embarassment. I've seen so many friends turn into shadows of their former selves because of this. We seem to revel in it, instead of just not doing it. Have a coke, you idiots. Save your brain and your liver. Look at George Best. What a coward. They should rename Belfast Airport, Cowards Airport, in honour of someone who was to cowardly to face his life, an emotional cripple. And that's what alcoholics are. They don't even know why they drink.

petrochemical wrote:

4. Scumbags. They're everywhere. With their hoodies and their boy racer stupid looking tin cans. And their God's Kitchen "music", which sounds like a car alarm. They're so aggressive. You look at them or ask them directions, and they're itching to hit you. They think they're so hard, but their "Urban" culture doesn't compare with that of Europe or the States. Look at the Graffiti, crap. They can't breakdance, and "Spi-dur" is their laughable attempt at Hip-hop/gangsta cool. And they put that accent on, no doubt. Hammed up to the max.

petrochemical wrote:

7. The whole gaelic culture thing. First of all, gaelic culture was effectively dead in this country by the 1650's as far as I know. It's "revival" was done purely to further the political goals of certain individuals. I wouldn't mind but the bastardised version of "Irish" that we are forced to learn in schools doesn't bear any resemblance to the original Gael, which is indecipherable. I mean we might as well be learning Cornish! Kevin Myers is absolutely right. Put it in a University, make it optional. What a disgraceful waste of time and resources. How many billions have been spent translating documents for what? For absolutely nothing.

petrochemical wrote:

8.The music. How monotonous does that become, after a few bars? And yet these musicians pump it out. How the hell do they remember all the notes? I think they make half of it up as they go along.

petrochemical wrote:

9. Gaelic football- Hilarious. As a Polish guy said to me " It doesn't know what it is. It is basketball and football at the same time!" How do you tackle a player? I have yet to see a successful tackle. And the tactics seem to consist of man marking and, bog ball upfield, run back, jump to catch, hand pass to player running forward, repeat...
And the sado/masochistic training methods- most players are crippled with arthritis when older, egged on by a psycho coach. You don't train everyday unless you want to destroy your joints. Never mind the 20 year out of date kits, and the open hostility to new players.

petrochemical wrote:

14. The culture of slagging- Our teenage years are a mountain of abuse delivered to us in a nasty, hateful way by our so called "mates". Again symtomatic of the culture of hate.

petrochemical wrote:

16. We are probably the worst dressed people in Europe, if not the world. Anyone who tries to dress well gets slagged into oblivion, and called a pussy.

petrochemical wrote:

18. Our social awkwardness- An irishman stands out internationally because he's so gauche. No refinement, no worldliness, hunched over (again because if he stood up straight, he'd be slagged to death) pint of disgusting Guinness in hand. Man, the rest of the world is laughing at us.

petrochemical wrote:

19. School sports- anyone who isn't good is left by the wayside so the teachers can relive their youth through the Senior Cup Team. Instead of encouraging sports as an individual hobby, it becomes a means of comparison with other schools. And that whole D4 rugby crowd. What a bunch of arrogant morons. Think you're a toughman? Don't worry, when your body is destroyed by arthritis when your 30 we'll see whose the "Elite".

So John Kelly has no right to assert he's better than you for listening to Mongolian warbling, yet you can declare yourself to be better than others for living your life in a certain way?

Grow up.

fulofh20

The poster is right on some things and not on others. The drinking culture is over the top but I mean if it made people happy so what the hell.
The dress style here is fine. You have not been to many places if you think Irish dress terribly. The English dress very smart, but the contrary Dutch, Germans etc including Americans dress quite casual.
It's the choice of casual wear Irish people choose more so and it's not bad.
OP, this is some phase you are going through I think,

mikedragon32

At best this is flamebait.

You know you could buy a one way flight to just about anywhere in Europe for €1 plus taxes/charges and be clearly much happier.

I'm not going to attempt to justify/deny anything you've said, OP. I've never read such bullcrap in all my life.

Dave!

Troll...

petrochemical

"So John Kelly has no right to assert he's better than you for listening to Mongolian warbling, yet you can declare yourself to be better than others for living your life in a certain way?"

Where did I declare myself to be better than others?

"The poster is right on some things and not on others. The drinking culture is over the top but I mean if it made people happy so what the hell."

The drinking culture is a serious problem. What about drugs? They make people happy, so what the hell for them too?

"The dress style here is fine. You have not been to many places if you think Irish dress terribly. The English dress very smart, but the contrary Dutch, Germans etc including Americans dress quite casual.
It's the choice of casual wear Irish people choose more so and it's not bad.
OP, this is some phase you are going through I think,"

Not true. Again, foreigners have pointed this out to me too.

"People, relax, the lad is obviously taking the piss he has no arguement"

Not true. I do have an argument. You have no reply to my points. You are the one with no argument.

"not true at all. i'm a 20 year old girl who PLAYS rugby, not just watches. from the northside. I couldn't be any further from the stereotypical D4 head."

But you're still part of Rugby culture.

"At best this is flamebait.

You know you could buy a one way flight to just about anywhere in Europe for €1 plus taxes/charges and be clearly much happier.

I'm not going to attempt to justify/deny anything you've said, OP. I've never read such bullcrap in all my life."

You dismiss what I say as "bullcrap" without addressing any specific points.

afatbollix

you "petrochemical" are a a55hole... people like you should be put on a fishing boat and only come back every 6 months for 2 days... that should make you happy....

petrochemical

"you "petrochemical" are a a55hole..."

Do you just insult people when you've no argument?

"people like you should be put on a fishing boat and only come back every 6 months for 2 days... that should make you happy...."

You don't know anything about me. Why don't you go rapping with Spi-dur?

faceman

Ah leave the OP alone, sounds like hes having a bad day. I agree with some of his comments about Dublin. Altho i dont hate dublin or ireland. In fact there are parts of ireland that are fantastic.

But dublin, can be a shoite hole.

Alcohol abuse is rampant in this country, rugbug86, are you trying to suggest its not?

Altho come on OP, are you just ranting a little bit too much???

fulofh20

petrochemical wrote:

"So John Kelly has no right to assert he's better than you for listening to Mongolian warbling, yet you can declare yourself to be better than others for living your life in a certain way?"

Where did I declare myself to be better than others?

"The poster is right on some things and not on others. The drinking culture is over the top but I mean if it made people happy so what the hell."

The drinking culture is a serious problem. What about drugs? They make people happy, so what the hell for them too?

"The dress style here is fine. You have not been to many places if you think Irish dress terribly. The English dress very smart, but the contrary Dutch, Germans etc including Americans dress quite casual.
It's the choice of casual wear Irish people choose more so and it's not bad.
OP, this is some phase you are going through I think,"

Not true. Again, foreigners have pointed this out to me too.

"People, relax, the lad is obviously taking the piss he has no arguement"

Not true. I do have an argument. You have no reply to my points. You are the one with no argument.

"not true at all. i'm a 20 year old girl who PLAYS rugby, not just watches. from the northside. I couldn't be any further from the stereotypical D4 head."

But you're still part of Rugby culture.

"At best this is flamebait.

You know you could buy a one way flight to just about anywhere in Europe for €1 plus taxes/charges and be clearly much happier.

I'm not going to attempt to justify/deny anything you've said, OP. I've never read such bullcrap in all my life."

You dismiss what I say as "bullcrap" without addressing any specific points.

Well then get a life. If you have this problem complaining about it is a poor reflection on you. If you are unhappy go somewhere else. Do you fit in here or do you fit the images of Irish people in general you portray in your posts?
By the way, I'm first generation Australian to Irish/Dutch parents so I am speaking from a foreigners perception, like it or lump it I don't care. And your posts seem a bit jealous of other nationalities to me, you have your own issue you must deal with. Don't attack people like their opinion doesn't matter, you posted here and you expect replies. Quoting each reply as a way of sounding right or to imtimidate(cyber) posters is showing up you fit the fiery Irish stereotype people say.:rolleyes: And you foreign friends might say "wierdo he's dangerous" and keep away from you, but I'm sure you don't talk about this to them; you just love them because they are not Irish. Young single and annoyed at your identity? I hope you are not like that, I hope not its a life of misery.

JC 2K3

petrochemical wrote:

Where did I declare myself to be better than others?

Let's try this again:

petrochemical wrote:

cultural snobbery is ridiculous.

petrochemical wrote:

Architecture is integral to the way people think and feel about their society and culture

petrochemical wrote:

their version of Urban culture is so naff.

petrochemical wrote:

Gaelic "culture" is contrived nonsense.

petrochemical wrote:

Irish people have no style. Compare them to Europeans.

:rolleyes:

Thunder_struck

petrochemical wrote:

15. Irish beauties. There are none. Irish women are ugly, misshapen, unfriendly gold diggers, without sex appeal, who want to "beat" Irish men at their own game. Thats not whining. I've been with women from around the world.

Ah bless, I think we've found the source of the OP's ire, he's had an unpleasant experience with an ugly, misshapen, unfriendly, gold-digging Oirish woman with no sex appeal. Did she beat you at your own game, OP? No, no, of course that's not whining. Never mind, continue your global conquests of foreign women who appreciate your charms....although, if there have been so many does this not suggest you have, um, trouble holding down, um, relationships?

fulofh20

He might not be Irish? I can't see anybody mock their own nationality like that!

ferdi

I agree with the following points (esspecially 11):

petrochemical wrote:

2. I can't relax in this city anymore. Dublin used to be relaxed. Now, everywhere I go I'm worried that I'm not keeping up with Mr Celtic Tiger and his 15 houses and 100,000 euro car. Everything is a bloody rat race. With no winners.

petrochemical wrote:

11. The whole ethos of the country is pass the buck, avoid blame, get rich quick. No vision. This is reflected in everything- the house boom, yet no manufacturing base- our economy headed for meltdown. And of course those who own property will immediately jump to the economy's defense with figures, yet a 30% house price drop is predicted by outside observers like The Economist.

17. The waste- Bike lanes, lay one, tear it up, lay it again. WTF? New kerbs at bus stops, at a cost of E30 000? Insane.

much of the rest of your rant is total crap.

rediguana

Like the old saying goes... too much complaining spoils the broth.

fulofh20

Ireland is living the Irish Dream at the moment. Much like American Dream. You should look at Death of Salesman(movie). It's to show you that Ireland is competitive in the rat race you've described. People are money hungry and it's related to the lack of money for years that now it's going to their heads like intoxicating fumes. If peoples motives for money are sinister, it always crashes society in some way whether minor or major.

Doctor DooM

Troll Bridge

Blackjack

One thing I do hate about Ireland is the number of Irish people with the inferiority complex whereby everywhere else is better, all Irish things are terrible etc.
There are a large number of these people and I feel very sorry for them, as they clearly have a number of background issues (probably related to their upbringing) that some therapy would really help with.

monkeyfudge

rugbug86 wrote:

what? and the new kerbs were to stop slippyness when getting off buses.

Actually they are there so when the bus tilts it is flush with the kerb allowing better access for wheelchairs.

Clearly the OP feels the wheelchair bound get too much handed to them.

mickoneill30

I agree Blackjack. I don't know what it is about some people. I was in Australia for 5 years with some mates and we came back earlier this year. One of my mates has turned into one of these negative whingers where the grass is always greener elsewhere. I've corrected him many times when he's giving out about Ireland saying that it's the fault of "this country" or the government. He didn't whinge about the exact same problems in Sydney when we were there.

Maybe it's the weather. That's something I can whinge about. Bleedin cold here after Sydney.

petrochemical

Look, I love Ireland, this thread is about the negative aspects. The positive thread will be saved for another time.

"There are a large number of these people and I feel very sorry for them, as they clearly have a number of background issues (probably related to their upbringing) that some therapy would really help with."

You're making assumptions about background issues, upbringing, and therapy that are irrelevant. You're categorising me on opinions I have given, instead of addressing the subjects.

"Well then get a life. If you have this problem complaining about it is a poor reflection on you. If you are unhappy go somewhere else. Do you fit in here or do you fit the images of Irish people in general you portray in your posts?
By the way, I'm first generation Australian to Irish/Dutch parents so I am speaking from a foreigners perception, like it or lump it I don't care. And your posts seem a bit jealous of other nationalities to me, you have your own issue you must deal with. Don't attack people like their opinion doesn't matter, you posted here and you expect replies. Quoting each reply as a way of sounding right or to imtimidate(cyber) posters is showing up you fit the fiery Irish stereotype people say. And you foreign friends might say "wierdo he's dangerous" and keep away from you, but I'm sure you don't talk about this to them; you just love them because they are not Irish. Young single and annoyed at your identity? I hope you are not like that, I hope not its a life of misery."

I did not say I was unhappy. I am sure in some way I fit the people I portray.
I am not jealous of other nationalities, all countries have their faults. I just thought these things needed to be said. You can't complain about Ireland nowadays without people getting all flustered. I did not attack anyone, and if their opinion didn't matter I wouldn't reply. I quote replies to be specific, like a court of law. I do talk to my friends about this, I can express any opinion without being labelled a "weirdo". Whether I'm single or not is again, irrelevant.

JC 2K3, In each case I have made a statement about Ireland and its culture. Nowhere did I claim to be better.

"He might not be Irish? I can't see anybody mock their own nationality like that!"

I am Irish. I am not mocking my nationality, I am merely making some observations. And yes, I am aware of the grass being always greener, and that foreigners have a different perspective, and that every country has it's faults.

"Ah bless, I think we've found the source of the OP's ire, he's had an unpleasant experience with an ugly, misshapen, unfriendly, gold-digging Oirish woman with no sex appeal. Did she beat you at your own game, OP? No, no, of course that's not whining. Never mind, continue your global conquests of foreign women who appreciate your charms....although, if there have been so many does this not suggest you have, um, trouble holding down, um, relationships?"

Again, attacking me personally, instead of the subjects I have raised, which shows you have no argument.

"much of the rest of your rant is total crap."

What? Be specific.

"Ireland is living the Irish Dream at the moment. Much like American Dream. You should look at Death of Salesman(movie). It's to show you that Ireland is competitive in the rat race you've described. People are money hungry and it's related to the lack of money for years that now it's going to their heads like intoxicating fumes. If peoples motives for money are sinister, it always crashes society in some way whether minor or major."

Irish peoples' motives for money are no different to anyone elses, and a "sinister" motive is irrelevant to the economy.

"There are a large number of these people and I feel very sorry for them, as they clearly have a number of background issues (probably related to their upbringing) that some therapy would really help with."

You're making assumptions about background issues, upbringing, and therapy that are irrelevant. You're categorising me on opinions I have given, instead of addressing the subjects.

What seems to be lacking here is the knowledge that critical argument is not necessarily an attack. It is an analysis.

petrochemical

Look, I love Ireland, this thread is about the negative aspects. The positive thread will be saved for another time.

"There are a large number of these people and I feel very sorry for them, as they clearly have a number of background issues (probably related to their upbringing) that some therapy would really help with."

You're making assumptions about background issues, upbringing, and therapy that are irrelevant. You're categorising me on opinions I have given, instead of addressing the subjects.

"Well then get a life. If you have this problem complaining about it is a poor reflection on you. If you are unhappy go somewhere else. Do you fit in here or do you fit the images of Irish people in general you portray in your posts?
By the way, I'm first generation Australian to Irish/Dutch parents so I am speaking from a foreigners perception, like it or lump it I don't care. And your posts seem a bit jealous of other nationalities to me, you have your own issue you must deal with. Don't attack people like their opinion doesn't matter, you posted here and you expect replies. Quoting each reply as a way of sounding right or to imtimidate(cyber) posters is showing up you fit the fiery Irish stereotype people say. And you foreign friends might say "wierdo he's dangerous" and keep away from you, but I'm sure you don't talk about this to them; you just love them because they are not Irish. Young single and annoyed at your identity? I hope you are not like that, I hope not its a life of misery."

I did not say I was unhappy. I am sure in some way I fit the people I portray.
I am not jealous of other nationalities, all countries have their faults. I just thought these things needed to be said. You can't complain about Ireland nowadays without people getting all flustered. I did not attack anyone, and if their opinion didn't matter I wouldn't reply. I quote replies to be specific, like a court of law. I do talk to my friends about this, I can express any opinion without being labelled a "weirdo". Whether I'm single or not is again, irrelevant.

JC 2K3, In each case I have made a statement about Ireland and its culture. Nowhere did I claim to be better.

"He might not be Irish? I can't see anybody mock their own nationality like that!"

I am Irish. I am not mocking my nationality, I am merely making some observations. And yes, I am aware of the grass being always greener, and that foreigners have a different perspective, and that every country has it's faults.

"Ah bless, I think we've found the source of the OP's ire, he's had an unpleasant experience with an ugly, misshapen, unfriendly, gold-digging Oirish woman with no sex appeal. Did she beat you at your own game, OP? No, no, of course that's not whining. Never mind, continue your global conquests of foreign women who appreciate your charms....although, if there have been so many does this not suggest you have, um, trouble holding down, um, relationships?"

Again, attacking me personally, instead of the subjects I have raised, which shows you have no argument.

"much of the rest of your rant is total crap."

What? Be specific.

"Ireland is living the Irish Dream at the moment. Much like American Dream. You should look at Death of Salesman(movie). It's to show you that Ireland is competitive in the rat race you've described. People are money hungry and it's related to the lack of money for years that now it's going to their heads like intoxicating fumes. If peoples motives for money are sinister, it always crashes society in some way whether minor or major."

Irish peoples' motives for money are no different to anyone elses, and a "sinister" motive is irrelevant to the economy.

"There are a large number of these people and I feel very sorry for them, as they clearly have a number of background issues (probably related to their upbringing) that some therapy would really help with."

You're making assumptions about background issues, upbringing, and therapy that are irrelevant. You're categorising me on opinions I have given, instead of addressing the subjects.

What seems to be lacking here is the knowledge that critical argument is not necessarily an attack. It is an analysis.

Blackjack

Ah now you're just repeating yourself.

fulofh20

petrochemical wrote:

"Well then get a life. If you have this problem complaining about it is a poor reflection on you. If you are unhappy go somewhere else. Do you fit in here or do you fit the images of Irish people in general you portray in your posts?
By the way, I'm first generation Australian to Irish/Dutch parents so I am speaking from a foreigners perception, like it or lump it I don't care. And your posts seem a bit jealous of other nationalities to me, you have your own issue you must deal with. Don't attack people like their opinion doesn't matter, you posted here and you expect replies. Quoting each reply as a way of sounding right or to imtimidate(cyber) posters is showing up you fit the fiery Irish stereotype people say. And you foreign friends might say "wierdo he's dangerous" and keep away from you, but I'm sure you don't talk about this to them; you just love them because they are not Irish. Young single and annoyed at your identity? I hope you are not like that, I hope not its a life of misery."

I did not say I was unhappy. I am sure in some way I fit the people I portray.
I am not jealous of other nationalities, all countries have their faults. I just thought these things needed to be said. You can't complain about Ireland nowadays without people getting all flustered. I did not attack anyone, and if their opinion didn't matter I wouldn't reply. I quote replies to be specific, like a court of law. I do talk to my friends about this, I can express any opinion without being labelled a "weirdo". Whether I'm single or not is again, irrelevant.


"He might not be Irish? I can't see anybody mock their own nationality like that!"

I am Irish. I am not mocking my nationality, I am merely making some observations. And yes, I am aware of the grass being always greener, and that foreigners have a different perspective, and that every country has it's faults.
"Ah bless, I think we've found the source of the OP's ire, he's had an unpleasant experience with an ugly, misshapen, unfriendly, gold-digging Oirish woman with no sex appeal. Did she beat you at your own game, OP? No, no, of course that's not whining. Never mind, continue your global conquests of foreign women who appreciate your charms....although, if there have been so many does this not suggest you have, um, trouble holding down, um, relationships?"

"Ireland is living the Irish Dream at the moment. Much like American Dream. You should look at Death of Salesman(movie). It's to show you that Ireland is competitive in the rat race you've described. People are money hungry and it's related to the lack of money for years that now it's going to their heads like intoxicating fumes. If peoples motives for money are sinister, it always crashes society in some way whether minor or major."

Irish peoples' motives for money are no different to anyone elses, and a "sinister" motive is irrelevant to the economy.

"There are a large number of these people and I feel very sorry for them, as they clearly have a number of background issues (probably related to their upbringing) that some therapy would really help with."

You're making assumptions about background issues, upbringing, and therapy that are irrelevant. You're categorising me on opinions I have given, instead of addressing the subjects.

What seems to be lacking here is the knowledge that critical argument is not necessarily an attack. It is an analysis.

Being single is a good indication of why you may be angry. You may have had a rejection etc from an Irish girl that raised your anger. Either way, Scrooge was a lonely old man that's where we get ya knw the HUmbug thing from. Either it's not relevant just my observation.

You say you are just pointing out faults in Ireland, yet you have practically put it down to it's worst. You have highlighed points that would make me not want to visit it. That to me doesn't sound like you were feeling any good sentiments for Ireland that were positive enough to stop you posting this. Stop using the don't attack me or I am proud to be. That's like someone backing down off the image they portray about themselves. Some people are ashamed of where they come from, their family, their heritage; you say you are proud of being Irish and Ireland and I'll take that from the words you say it in. But somebody would want to be very stupid to believe you when you say you like Ireland after the post you have posted wouldn't you agree? And don't come back with this stuff about it's my opinion on the faults every country has them why attack me!? That's an argument that a foreigner would laugh at, it must be an Irish justification because nobody I know argues like that.:rolleyes:
If you make statement you claim are analysis, some will conclude that this country is not pleasant, ugly women, no manners etc etc. Really it's not positive. I won't judge you on your opinion, but stop using the "don't judge me" as an excuse to justify your reaction to other peoples reactions. In turn you are trying to make them out to look bad for maybe getting offended by what you have said. You lack understanding that people in a good mood might suddenly feel depressed after reading your rant on your and their country but do you care about that?
You have called the culture of this nation nonsense. Other than the harsh nature in which this country enforces it's culture, it's a culture rich to many countries. Many people love Irish culture and you are not feeling positive sentiment at the momemt I'm sure.
As for peoples sinister motives having nothing to do with economy, well the more one has the more one wants. That's a bit more than just a sentence. People almost killing you in their BMWs has nothing to do with their driving habits, yet you have linked the character description along with BMW so a person may conclude you were making the similarity between having an expensive car and driving habits go hand in hand. Of course that's not true, you may just be annoyed at the inequalities of our society.
Either way, be careful what you say even though you have the right to say it. It's a reflection on how you care about whether or not your posts might offend others. You didn't think about it offending others? Or does that matter to you?
Any way, go and post a positive thread to counteract your bad mood.
Jesus, somebody thinks negatively about their country during a bad mood? I normally worry about my children or how my finances are going, maybe I'm nuts for worrying about that!

JC 2K3

petrochemical wrote:

JC 2K3, In each case I have made a statement about Ireland and its culture. Nowhere did I claim to be better.

You said cultural snobbery was ridiculous and then slagged off other cultures....

fulofh20

Yes he did mention cultural snobbery was ridiculous. Then he posted all the negative aspects of Irish culture that,(he might think i'm wrong or imagining this), he would like to be better.

petrochemical

"You said cultural snobbery was ridiculous and then slagged off other cultures...."

Look technically, I'm being a cultural snob, but not in the John Kelly sense. I should have mentioned Media.

fulofh20, I can't make sense of some of your post, but here goes.

"Being single is a good indication of why you may be angry"

I never said I was single, or angry.

"Stop using the don't attack me or I am proud to be."

Proud to be what?

"But somebody would want to be very stupid to believe you when you say you like Ireland after the post you have posted wouldn't you agree?"

I can't comment on peoples stupidity. I was forced to justify my position on Ireland because almost every single person here attacked me personally, instead of the arguments.

"And don't come back with this stuff about it's my opinion on the faults every country has them why attack me!? That's an argument that a foreigner would laugh at, it must be an Irish justification because nobody I know argues like that"

I can't make sense of this.

"I won't judge you on your opinion, but stop using the "don't judge me" as an excuse to justify your reaction to other peoples reactions."

Again, can't make sense.

"it's a culture rich to many countries."

Yes, but a made-up culture.

"People almost killing you in their BMWs has nothing to do with their driving habits, yet you have linked the character description along with BMW so a person may conclude you were making the similarity between having an expensive car and driving habits go hand in hand."

Where did I mention BMW? What people are almost killing me?

"Either way, be careful what you say even though you have the right to say it. It's a reflection on how you care about whether or not your posts might offend others. You didn't think about it offending others? Or does that matter to you?"

So it seems on this forum, I can't say what I think in case someone gets offended. Well, by that argument, everything you have all just said could be deemed to be potentially offensive to me or anyone else who reads it. There are other forums where you can make an argument and then be judged on that argument, and that alone.

Blackjack

petrochemical wrote:

Yes, but a made-up culture.

Can you put forward a cohesive argument to back this up?.

fulofh20

petrochemical wrote:

"You said cultural snobbery was ridiculous and then slagged off other cultures...."

Look technically, I'm being a cultural snob, but not in the John Kelly sense. I should have mentioned Media.

fulofh20, I can't make sense of some of your post, but here goes.

"Being single is a good indication of why you may be angry"

I never said I was single, or angry.

"Stop using the don't attack me or I am proud to be."

Proud to be what?

"But somebody would want to be very stupid to believe you when you say you like Ireland after the post you have posted wouldn't you agree?"

I can't comment on peoples stupidity. I was forced to justify my position on Ireland because almost every single person here attacked me personally, instead of the arguments.

"And don't come back with this stuff about it's my opinion on the faults every country has them why attack me!? That's an argument that a foreigner would laugh at, it must be an Irish justification because nobody I know argues like that"

I can't make sense of this.

"I won't judge you on your opinion, but stop using the "don't judge me" as an excuse to justify your reaction to other peoples reactions."

Again, can't make sense.

"it's a culture rich to many countries."

Yes, but a made-up culture.

"People almost killing you in their BMWs has nothing to do with their driving habits, yet you have linked the character description along with BMW so a person may conclude you were making the similarity between having an expensive car and driving habits go hand in hand."

Where did I mention BMW? What people are almost killing me?

"Either way, be careful what you say even though you have the right to say it. It's a reflection on how you care about whether or not your posts might offend others. You didn't think about it offending others? Or does that matter to you?"

So it seems on this forum, I can't say what I think in case someone gets offended. Well, by that argument, everything you have all just said could be deemed to be potentially offensive to me or anyone else who reads it. There are other forums where you can make an argument and then be judged on that argument, and that alone.

:rolleyes:
Christmas is a time when I like to keep away from depressing, world owes me a favour farts who try to get an argument across and when they are personally attacked they make big a deal. Get a life.

petrochemical

"Christmas is a time when I like to keep away from depressing, world owes me a favour farts who try to get an argument across and when they are personally attacked they make big a deal. Get a life."

Maybe if you didn't take my points so personally, you could look at them objectively.

"Can you put forward a cohesive argument to back this up?."

From Encyclopedia Brittannica.:

Gaelic Football- Irish version of football (soccer), an offshoot of Britain's medieval mêlée, in which entire parishes would compete in daylong matches covering miles of countryside. A code of rules slightly restricting the ferocity of the sport was adopted in 1884, and the Gaelic Athletic Association was formed the same year to govern competition.

A contrived sport, the only reason the rules were made different from soccer was to differentiate it from England, to further the political goals of those involved.

Gaelic Revival- resurgence of interest in Irish language, literature, history, and folklore inspired by the growing Irish nationalism of the early 19th century. By that time Gaelic had died out as a spoken tongue except in isolated rural areas; English had become the official and literary language of Ireland.

Read about this and you will see the contrived sham that is Gaelic Culture.

fulofh20

petrochemical wrote:

"Christmas is a time when I like to keep away from depressing, world owes me a favour farts who try to get an argument across and when they are personally attacked they make big a deal. Get a life."

Maybe if you didn't take my points so personally, you could look at them objectively.

"Can you put forward a cohesive argument to back this up?."

From Encyclopedia Brittannica.:

Gaelic Football- Irish version of football (soccer), an offshoot of Britain's medieval mêlée, in which entire parishes would compete in daylong matches covering miles of countryside. A code of rules slightly restricting the ferocity of the sport was adopted in 1884, and the Gaelic Athletic Association was formed the same year to govern competition.

A contrived sport, the only reason the rules were made different from soccer was to differentiate it from England, to further the political goals of those involved.

Gaelic Revival- resurgence of interest in Irish language, literature, history, and folklore inspired by the growing Irish nationalism of the early 19th century. By that time Gaelic had died out as a spoken tongue except in isolated rural areas; English had become the official and literary language of Ireland.

Read about this and you will see the contrived sham that is Gaelic Culture.

stepbar

Petrochemical what the fu3k is ur problem? No where is perfect so get on with it and stop bitching. You should direct your energy into something more useful than writing all this crap :rolleyes:

Lock this thread because the man is clearly a contradiction :rolleyes:

petrochemical

Obviously, I can't have a reasonable discussion here. Sad.

fulofh20

petrochemical wrote:

Obviously, I can't have a reasonable discussion here. Sad.

Go to your shrink. Amazing techniques can teach you why you want to have an argument when people have got tired of arguing with you when you call them sad for being not bothered.

Blackjack

petrochemical wrote:

From Encyclopedia Brittannica.:

Gaelic Football- Irish version of football (soccer), an offshoot of Britain's medieval mêlée, in which entire parishes would compete in daylong matches covering miles of countryside. A code of rules slightly restricting the ferocity of the sport was adopted in 1884, and the Gaelic Athletic Association was formed the same year to govern competition.

A contrived sport, the only reason the rules were made different from soccer was to differentiate it from England, to further the political goals of those involved.

as per Wikipedia, it dates back to the 16th Century. Given that the English FA was only set up in 1863, for the purpose of creating organisation of the game and rules, there's only a comparison about the foundation of the organisations that oversee 2 seperate sports.

petrochemical wrote:

Gaelic Revival- resurgence of interest in Irish language, literature, history, and folklore inspired by the growing Irish nationalism of the early 19th century. By that time Gaelic had died out as a spoken tongue except in isolated rural areas; English had become the official and literary language of Ireland.

Read about this and you will see the contrived sham that is Gaelic Culture.

As regards the Gaelic revival, you should perhaps check why it had died out. The fact that it was REVIVED contradicts your argument that it was CONTRIVED.