Outing usernames?? Should it be allowed?

DeVore

The title really says everything. Should threads and/or posts be allowed which "out" an online username (ie: name who the player behind it is). Should it be a bannable offence?

You're opinions please...

DeV.

Hectorjelly

No not at all. I would be annoyed if my sn was outed but I dont think there is any justification for taking action against it.

The Sheriff 101

Yes it was quite scary finding out that pillowtalk is a schizophrenic
replying to his own post and all even insulting himself :eek:
Thinks like that are better kept private id post a link but it has been deleted

RasTa

I think most users have enough common sense. But an outright ban is a bit Stalinesque

Hectorjelly

The Sheriff 101 wrote:

Yes it was quite scary finding out that pillowtalk is a schizophrenic
replying to his own post and all even insulting himself :eek:
Thinks like that are better kept private id post a link but it has been deleted

I missed this! What happened?

RasTa

Although maybe ban Sheriff

Hectorjelly

RasTa wrote:

Although maybe ban Sheriff

why?

DeVore

There was a thread asking who a particular player on Tribeca was. I wasnt talking about a site wide ban but 2 weeks off Poker for future breaches seems reasonable to me...

DeV.

White Knight

hmm i dunno Dev - imo this issue is only appearing because you/we know the person in question?

Like someone posts a hand history on a public forum and leaves there name in one line (albeit in error) - you can hardly blame eagle eye ed for spotting it?

There have been multiple threads listing names of top pros and their usernames over the years and no comments made.

If someone knows another persons username its because that person has revealed it in some form ... posted a HH/told a mate/won a prize and name revealed etc. (show one - show all?! )

I believe someone (if they cared that much) can keep a username private. And if it is an advantage to them they would

Lafortezza

If it's a deliberate "HJ = bighoogfish on tribeca" post then a ban may be in order. But not if it's a mistake in a hand history or just a slip of the keyboard.

RasTa

Yeah but then what'ss to stop the person going onto a table and calling him by his known name. Which happened toinght.

Lafortezza

RasTa wrote:

Yeah but then what'ss to stop the person going onto a table and calling him by his known name. Which happened toinght.

Dunno, sh1t happens, what can be done about it?

RasTa

A swift kick to the groin. Failing that a ban.... It all depends on the context.

Lafortezza

If it's a deliberate post to out someone on these forums then a ban would be likely. We can hardly do it for a mistake, or just someone who doesn't realise what bad etiquette it is.

Not much we can do if it happens anywhere else.

RasTa

True true.... I'm just in a strange totalitarian state at the moment. Writing essays and playing poker at this late hour is a strange sensation.

DeVore

Yeah I think thats a good compromise Laf.

DeV.

DeVore

PS: if your online poker name is the same as your Boards one... all bets are off if someone mentions your real name in response to a post of yours. (if that makes sense).

DeV.

The Sheriff 101

RasTa wrote:

Although maybe ban Sheriff

Didnt realise a Dr Thompson fan could be so sensitive

ianmc38

Personally I don't like the outing of SNs. If someone wants there name known they'll let it be known. If someone wants it kept a secret then they're not going to share it with other people. I've stopped playing on a site I signed up on because my SN was shared with other people which pissed me right off.

I dont think asking a question should be bannable.

LuckyLloyd

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Hitman Actual

ianmc38 wrote:

Personally I don't like the outing of SNs.

What's a SN? Serious question.

5starpool

As long as this is used with some discretion then fair enough, but I don't think 'outing' someone deserves a much harsher ban than personal abuse. I think a 7 day ban with a warning why would be appropriate for this, but someone who isn't a regular poster should be just given a warning if they post a 'Who is qwertyuiop' thread.

Also, I assume this relates only to either posters here or else known Irish players, and if someone wants to post Phil Iveys new ultra secret SN then that is fine.

LuckyLloyd

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Hawk Eye

lenny_leonard wrote:

What's a SN? Serious question.

Screen Name

5starpool

lenny_leonard wrote:

What's a SN? Serious question.

Screen Name

LuckyLloyd

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sendic

If someone wants to keep their screen name secret, they'll keep it secret. If their SN gets leaked then they've learned an important lesson about trust.

5starpool wrote:

Also, I assume this relates only to either posters here or else known Irish players, and if someone wants to post Phil Iveys new ultra secret SN then that is fine.

This seems a little hypocritical tbh.

ianmc38

sendic wrote:

If someone wants to keep their screen name secret, they'll keep it secret. If their SN gets leaked then they've learned an important lesson about trust.



This seems a little hypocritical tbh.

If someone wants to keep their name a secret, it's pretty easy to do. When the owner of a site divulges your SN to someone else then it's slightly annoying to say the least.

I dont see anything wrong with asking a question and to suggest it is a bannable offence is absurd imho.

LuckyLloyd

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WH BONNEY

Laf and Dev are you guys for real ?

The taught that you are is really disturbing for me. Censorship has been and gone, we dont live in a police state and this is a public forum. I think you guys should take a step back and consider the idea that you are contemplating. I cringe at the taught of you banning or even reprimanding somedody for quoting another persons SN.

For me its quite simple you have a screen name, you keep it private and tell nobody and it doesnt get posted anywhere. You start telling people or play in boards comps etc it gets out and its in the public domain. How can it be an issue if someone then refers to it in a public forum ?

Come on guys, I have too much respect for both of you, get down off that high horse and be realistic.

Regards - WH

Ste05

Where is this all coming from, obviously I missed a good thread, what happened? But to get back on topic, I completely agree that people's screenname's should not be released without the player saying who they are, (e.g. Lloyd in this thread) but I think this could go down a very bad route.

I think, the only people who should have this sort of protection are people that post strategy content posts. Just because someone lurks or posts in the tournament or general rumour threads shouldn't mean they get any protection. They benefit from the strategy posts and if they know a regular posters SN then they have an advantage over that player, and I don't think posting should put a player at a disadvantage.

Personally, I wouldn't out anyone (strategy poster or not) and I doubt many would either. But I agree that anyone who deliberately posts something like Pillow=XXX or HJ=XXX should get a banning.

This will obviously means that a high degree of mod common sense will be required, but I think we have mods here that have this in abundance and also know who should qualify and not.

Anyone else shouldn't get any protection. This forum is here to help the people that read and post. If someone wants to discuss [insert random screenname] then that should be allowed and IMO encouraged (editing their screen name slightly so it doesn’t come up on google) we’re here to help each other to increase our Win rates against the good players and the fish, if people become worried about posting questions like Who is XXXXX on XXXX Site then that's only a bad thing.

If that player happens to be a boardster and wants the thread removed, surely he can just PM a mod and ask for the thread to be locked and something generic like, "the Player involved is a regular poster and has asked for the discussion to be locked" And anyone who knows that the player is X or Y, then they should just keep it shut. I know I'd love to see a discussion about one of my screennames, noone knows who I am so I'm not worried about getting my screenname released. If the player wants to come out of the closet then it's up to them. And obviously any posts like "that player is [insert boards name] should get a ban.

The way it's been for the last year and on, is the best way to deal with this IMO. It's not broken, so why fix it?

sendic

LuckyLloyd wrote:

It's not about being hypocritical. Phil Ivey is not going to start posting on Boards so I don't see why it would be a concern of the forum to protect his online identity.

well he certainly won't with that kind of attitude...

LuckyLloyd wrote:

The point is that we don't want to discourage Irish players from posting on the site.

valid point. but theres been umpteen posts about "who is such and such on tribeca", or "so and so sat down at 10/20 and is haemorrhaging cash, anyone know anything about him?"

Persoanlly I don't think it should be bannable, I'm really not too pushed as I don't play that much online myself. But is it fair to have one rule for people we know and another for people we don't?

Ste05

ianmc38 wrote:

When the owner of a site divulges your SN to someone else then it's slightly annoying to say the least.

If something like this happens then it should be made HUGE news, I would never play on a site that ever did this. There's no 3 strike rule. People's Privacy is of Paramount importance. And I'd say this is probably illegal, [EDIT: Or at least a breach of Contract]

Imposter

I don't see why it should get anyone a ban. If people want their names to remain secret then they shouldn't tell anyone. If they tell someone and they don't want it made public knowledge then they sure as hell better trust the person they tell.

If their screen name becomes public knowledge its their own fault imo.

MrPillowTalk

Imposter wrote:

I don't see why it should get anyone a ban. If people want their names to remain secret then they shouldn't tell anyone. If they tell someone and they don't want it made public knowledge then they sure as hell better trust the person they tell.

If their screen name becomes public knowledge its their own fault imo.

Your absolutely right it was my own fault it came into public domain, when editing a had history I missed one line that had the user name in it. I dont particularly care about the forum knowing any of my nicks cos with the exception of Mike and Robin I dont think anyone plays the same games I do, however when I get outed in the chat box in the game and all of a sudden it gives guys like clubber who I have played hundreds of hours against as pillowtalk a big help as now he doesnt have to bother working me out, thats what pissed me off.

Im not a massive strategy contributor or anything, but after this I wont be posting hand histories thats for sure. Just for clarity I wasnt lying on the other thread the account is not owned by me.

cardshark202

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Your absolutely right it was my own fault it came into public domain, when editing a had history I missed one line that had the user name in it. I dont particularly care about the forum knowing any of my nicks cos with the exception of Mike and Robin I dont think anyone plays the same games I do, however when I get outed in the chat box in the game and all of a sudden it gives guys like clubber who I have played hundreds of hours against as pillowtalk a big help as now he doesnt have to bother working me out, thats what pissed me off.

Im not a massive strategy contributor or anything, but after this I wont be posting hand histories thats for sure. Just for clarity I wasnt lying on the other thread the account is not owned by me.

Yeah it may be a benefit to the owner of the account that people think its you maybe, thats if he/she's not playing other a new name of course.;)

bohsman

WH BONNEY wrote:

Laf and Dev are you guys for real ?

The taught that you are is really disturbing for me. Censorship has been and gone, we dont live in a police state and this is a public forum.
Regards - WH

Wherever did you get that idea?

WH BONNEY

bohsman wrote:

Wherever you that ?

Not sure what your trying to say.

Marq

MrPillowTalk wrote:

IJust for clarity I wasnt lying on the other thread the account is not owned by me.

I and many others can vouch for the truth of that statement.

bohsman

WH BONNEY wrote:

Not sure what your trying to say.

Boards.ie is a privately owned company so it isnt a public forum, DeV is one of the owners so he has every right to restrict what is said on his forums.

Of course there is censorship, Boards are currently being sued by some scumbags for things discussed on boards, see sticky at top of page.

Solksjaer

WH BONNEY wrote:

Laf and Dev are you guys for real ?

The taught that you are is really disturbing for me. Censorship has been and gone, we dont live in a police state and this is a public forum. I think you guys should take a step back and consider the idea that you are contemplating. I cringe at the taught of you banning or even reprimanding somedody for quoting another persons SN.

For me its quite simple you have a screen name, you keep it private and tell nobody and it doesnt get posted anywhere. You start telling people or play in boards comps etc it gets out and its in the public domain. How can it be an issue if someone then refers to it in a public forum ?

Come on guys, I have too much respect for both of you, get down off that high horse and be realistic.

Regards - WH

Well Billy the Kid, it's very moderated thats for sure. There are a couple of threads at the moment ABOUT threads. Where moderators are not happy with the content. eg. Poll on tourny posts...This thread! wrist slapping on the Tourny of the year threads. If that ain't censorship I don't know what is.:rolleyes: I reckon it's simply NOT a public forum so you either have to accept it or just read from the shadows...I'll accept it until they ban me
Moderating should be done in moderation. Incidentally I know the screen name of Jamie Gold. it's -> Jammy Goldfish. ooops

RoundTower

I think you should do something about it, I don't post people's real screen names here and think it's bad form for anyone else to. That includes unknowns, I don't think much of threads like "OMG FISH ALERT XXXXX IS BLOWING MONEY ON THE 100NL ON TRIBECA RIGHT NOW" either.

Most of my screen names aren't secret, those that are I would like them to stay that way.

Hitman Actual

Solksjaer wrote:

Well Billy the Kid, it's very moderated thats for sure. There are a couple of threads at the moment ABOUT threads. Where moderators are not happy with the content. eg. Poll on tourny posts...This thread! wrist slapping on the Tourny of the year threads. If that ain't censorship I don't know what is.:rolleyes: I reckon it's simply NOT a public forum so you either have to accept it or just read from the shadows...I'll accept it until they ban me
Moderating should be done in moderation. Incidentally I know the screen name of Jamie Gold. it's -> Jammy Goldfish. ooops

That's a bit unfair, tbh. It's a busy forum, and the mods are good at keeping it clear of all the noisy BS that would just make it user-unfriendly. The tournament sub-forum and the BB/LOL sticky are two good examples.

Scotty #

I think the mods do a fine job and are badly needed. This was posted on the Digital Art forum the othr day and shows what an unmodified forum would look like. Only the blue posts are genuine.

Scotty #

On the subject of SN's its very simple. If you don't want anyone to know... then don't tell anyone.

Solksjaer

Well it is a perception I have however unfair or incorrect, and I suppose I'm entitled to an opinion based on that perception. (am I?) Usually on forums I frequent (mainly music) the mods step in when someone is reported or if someone is incessantly misbehaving or being obscene. (and believe me music buffs get down and dirty quite a bit) so these forums do get out of hand a bit ( i have learned several new curses)
However I really don't see a lot of that here to be honest. and I put that down to the fine work of the constabulary on this board. and also I agree with you about the stickies/lol folder etc . However, I think you can go down the other road a bit too much and IMHO this appears to be happening.

aside
Maybe I have't shaken off my junior anger at having my newsletter censored and butchered in school just when I was building up a following..:)

DeVore

If you havent seen this forum get nasty... stick around a few weeks.

Plus for all you "waaaah this is fascism!" heads, I dont know of many facist censors who DISCUSS the topic with their populace before applying the decision that comes out of that.

In fact, this seems a lot more like this community is deciding its own ground rules and then empowering the Mods to enforce those rules subsequently. This is called CONSENSUS. Its more then Mr McDowell would bother doing too.

Back on topic, I dont think posting "Who is BigFatDonk on Tribeca" should get a temp ban, but I do think answering it should.

DeV.

kincsem

I wouldn't be bothered, unless I won the $200 PokerStars Sunday night game and someone posted my name and address. Fat chance (but only because my broadband is so sh1tty :rolleyes: )
But some have a Greta Garbo / Howard Hughes personality (50 years before you were born).

If they are known, it is only because they gave out their online name in the first place. It is their fault. Why ban someone else?

kincsem

RoundTower wrote:

Most of my screen names aren't secret, those that are I would like them to stay that way.

I guessed when I saw RoundTower and the Fitz logo on PokerStars, it might be you, Peter.

robinlacey

i agree with people who are saying the only real issue is with the screen names of people who post strategy advice to this forum,and i think anyone else should be fair game,including posts like "i'm playing such and such a player on tribeca,anyone played him"

while the arguement that you cant have one rule for hectorjelly and another for phil ivey does have some sort of logical merit,i think it is sort of missing the point-its not constitutional law we're deadling with here,its just a question of laying down some common sense guidelines that will suit the purposes of this forum and its users

in the above example,if such and such a player happens to be a boards regular whose name isn't widely known,its quite simple-those who do know who it is don't say anything incriminating,and those who don't are none the wiser...

therefore,the only thing that i think should not be allowed is posts of an "OMG i just found out that x boards poster = y player" nature,and if that ever does happen i think merely deleting the post and warning the poster would be appropriate...

ArmaniJeanss

DeVore wrote:

Back on topic, I dont think posting "Who is BigFatDonk on Tribeca" should get a temp ban, but I do think answering it should.
DeV.

If I answer that BillySmith from Darndale is BigFatDonk and that he posts on boards under the username xxxxx then I can see how you might have a problem.

But If I say that I played BigFatDonk last week and he fired 3 bullets on a bluff, or check/min-raised with a set etc, would that be a problem or just strategy discussion?

If I was BigFatDonk, I'd have more of a problem with the latter.