BESS (wtf?)

Stargal

Ibid wrote:

Obviously I'd do better in a modelling course than the likes of Stargal, but that doesn't say much of the difficulty of the course. Some people just don't have it.

Was it really necessary to use me as your example there?

Time Magazine

b.ie curious wrote:

What Enda said was that there are elements of BESS that are pretty much as hard as you'll find in any other course. He never said it was more difficult, and he never put down any other course.

QFT.

Again, all the self-conscious defending of courses that were never attacked (unless you view being called equally difficult as some areas in BESS as an attack) is just silly.

QFT.

Apex, I never said that LC Maths was the be-all and end-all. In fact I specifically acknowledged it wasn't, and of course there are deviations. But that doesn't mean that it's illogical to assume a reasonably large group of people who did better in a subject than another relatively large group of people are better at that subject.

Stargal wrote:

Was it really necessary to use me as your example there?

Stargal wrote:

you have to bear in mind that he's a right-wing, Blueshirt economist and as such, all efforts, no matter how small, should be appreciated

You weren't getting away with that.

ApeXaviour

b.ie curious wrote:

What Enda said was that there are elements of BESS that are pretty much as hard as you'll find in any other course. He never said it was more difficult, and he never put down any other course.

Hmm.. I had a big schpeel written out here but before posting I went read what Ibid wrote originally and you're right, the word "element" was there. Hmmh, wonder why I missed that the first time.

b.ie curious wrote:

Again, all the self-conscious defending of courses that were never attacked (unless you view being called equally difficult as some areas in BESS as an attack) is just silly.

I didn't consider myself being defensive over anything. I thought he had made an outrageous statement (an accusation he failed to counter effectively I think), and I was chastising suitably

No but you seemed very adamant that BESS was not that 'hard' a course - by implying other courses were much more difficult. Thats why you probably missed the 'element' bit because saying that any bit of BESS is difficult is like waving a red rag at a sexually frustrated bull with a rocket shoved up its arse.

If Ibid had said that 'philisophy' or 'tp' or 'chaos theory studies' (just finished Jurassic Park and the Lost World) were the most difficult, the reaction would have probably been a lot more accomodating becuase those courses as seen as 'difficult' ones.

Please note that I am differentiating difficulty with validity. I don't believe that there are any courses offered in TCD that are not valid for the field in which they are based, I'm just saying that even BESS can have very difficult modules as well as its easy ones such as Service Ops / The IT module thing

ApeXaviour

original_psycho wrote:

No but you seemed very adamant that BESS was not that 'hard' a course - by implying other courses were much more difficult.

Not true at all. I have never studied bess so how could I know? That was my central argument.

Bartronilic

BESS is as hard as you make it! In first year you may be terrible at essays so Sociology and Pol Sci will be hard. Then u can drop them and never deal with them again for 2nd, 3rd and 4th year or you could be terrible at maths (even though the lecturer puts an identical end of year maths test on the internet a week before the exam) and drop it after 1st year. Or keep it on for a certain degree and 2nd year will also be hard.

OP there is none of that BESS stereotype in BESS although there are tons of people whose dads/mams/sisters/brothers/uncles/aunts own huge companies or are very famous (well in my class anyway). The only people you should watch out for are Cavan girls :rolleyes: .