No. 10 Bus

Stepherunie

Anyone else notice how the number 10 doesn't come into UCD anymore past 10pm????

Totally not on I mean there's been discussion about attacks that have happened in UCD of late and now you've got to walk back in late at night through not very well lit areas - what the hell are they thinking?

I for one don't feel safe walking through campus late on my own.

Sangre

Good thing that because you're a girl you're statistically a lot safer.

Bateman

What reason have they given for this?

Stabshauptmann

Sangre wrote:

Good thing that because you're a girl you're statistically a lot safer.

Interesting, where did you read/hear that?

Stabshauptmann

Bateman wrote:

What reason have they given for this?

Is it even true?!

The timetables says it still comes in, how sure are you that it isnt (Im not a regular bus user myself)

breadmonkey

I'm pretty sure there's a number you can call (probably just the number for services) if you feel unsafe walking through the campus at night. The will escort you (give you a lift, I suppose). Maybe ask at the Services desk.

Sangre

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Interesting, where did you read/hear that?

Dr. O' Donnell, head of the Criminology Dept. in UCD.

But think about it, how many lads do you know who have been attacked vs. girls you know?

Its a common quirk of our society that those who fear crime the most are actually the safest i.e. old woman and that the fearless are the biggest victims of crime and violence i.e. young males.


http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=10

Stabshauptmann

I thought the logic was going to be something like that, and its not entirely in keeping with your post.

Women arent safer as you put it, they are less likly to be the victim of an attack. Which is completely different.
The only reason that the statistics show women to be safer is because of foregone opportunities. Because women fell less safe they expose them selves to less (perceived) hazards, eg walking down dark alley ways alone

If women were truly safer, then if a man and a woman were exposed to the same risks, a woman would be less likely to be attacked.

And if you want anecdotal evidence Sangre, I know 4 women who have been raped. I dont know any men who have suffered the same tragedy.

Stepherunie

Kaptain Redeye:

I'm very sure of it as I was on a number 10 bus on Thursday evening around 23.15 that didn't go into belfield, it just turned right at the entrance and went to the 46a stop. The girl directly in front of me asked the bus driver why he had done this and he said it was a new policy for number 10 buses not to go into the belfield terminus past 10pm any more. Incidentally services were at the 10 stop inside when I walked past telling people to go to the 46a stop so I don't think they're even running from there any more.

Bread Monkey:

You can indeed call services but they're no longer stationed in the office as you go in the main entrance - they've moved to the Clinton Building which is up by the running track not exactly close and you shouldn't need to have to ring them every time you want to walk through campus - being left off at the 10 bus stop was nice and handy for all res and it was well lit all the way back to the houses.

Sangre:

Yes boys are typically attacked more - well they end up in fights more but considering the large number of rapes/ attacks that have occurred recently not just on UCD campus but also around Dublin I feel that it would be unwise to just base my decision to walk through UCD campus which is rather poorly lit at night especially coming through the main entrance on statistics. Statistics are PAST TENSE, they do not reflect the current situation.

Sangre

Lets not bring this off topic anymore.

edit - this is not an attempt by me trying to avoid anyone's points, this is just not the place for it.

humbert

the lighting on campus is atrocious, it's actually quite dangerous just cycling around some of the paths near science because you can't see a thing. walking anywhere if you felt vulnerable would not be nice.

Scraggs

I've gotten the no. 10 twice in the past fortnight after 10 from inside Belfield. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

Stabshauptmann

Is anyone here familiar with rape lane?
Theres a little side enterence to UCD the far side of the Gaa pitches down by the gym.
Its not lit at all and there are tall trees so you cant see much at all. Services lock the gate before dark, around 4pm in the winter I think.

Anyway I was going to UCD one night from Clonskeagh last year, about 11 or 12, hopped the gate as it was a handy short cut for me.

I couldnt actually see anything. You know they way eventually you adjust to the dark, i didnt. Blind the whole way down the lane.
Half way down it Im starting to think this was a bad idea when I start to hear something moving in the bushes. Now it was proabably a bird or small animal but it made my blood run cold.

dajaffa

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Is anyone here familiar with rape lane?
Theres a little side enterence to UCD the far side of the Gaa pitches down by the gym.
Its not lit at all and there are tall trees so you cant see much at all. Services lock the gate before dark, around 4pm in the winter I think.

Anyway I was going to UCD one night from Clonskeagh last year, about 11 or 12, hopped the gate as it was a handy short cut for me.

I couldnt actually see anything. You know they way eventually you adjust to the dark, i didnt. Blind the whole way down the lane.
Half way down it Im starting to think this was a bad idea when I start to hear something moving in the bushes. Now it was proabably a bird or small animal but it made my blood run cold.

Yep I know that lane well, tis by far the quickest way for me to get to college but you can't go that way at night alone (well, I do occasionally when I've my hockey stick with me!).

Anyway it IS going to be upgraded into a proper entrance, but God knows when that will happen.

Miss GAAfia

Got chatting to a busdriver last Wednesday night (palaver to get a bit of info, you know yourself) and apparently the week before last there was an incident on a #10 BEFORE it left campus. So now they aren't chancing letting anymore in after 10pm. I asked him how bad the damage was, and he said that the incident was close to a riot. Should influence the decision whether or not the SU Nightbus appears again this year.....:( I think not now.....Boo.

generalmiaow

dajaffa wrote:

Yep I know that lane well, tis by far the quickest way for me to get to college but you can't go that way at night alone (well, I do occasionally when I've my hockey stick with me!).

Anyway it IS going to be upgraded into a proper entrance, but God knows when that will happen.

Weird place alright. Is this the place past Belgrove and the "Magnetical Observatory"? We always used to call it the Grotto. (because it's grotty) One of my ways into college.

Anyway, there's a sign by the number 10 bus stop now I think. I didn't get a chance to read it because I was jumping on the bus, but it definitely said something about buses at night. Might be worth a look.

irlrobins

Stepherunie wrote:

Anyone else notice how the number 10 doesn't come into UCD anymore past 10pm???

That doesn't really fit in with Brady's "24hr campus" plan really.... :rolleyes:

cast_iron

irlrobins wrote:

That doesn't really fit in with Brady's "24hr campus" plan really.... :rolleyes:

Somehow I doubt Hugh Brady has much say in operational matters in Dublin Bus, especially if the service has changed due to safety concerns.

Blush_01

There are signs up at the bus stop informing us of the change. I'd love to know the full reason behind it. (As an aside, the 46a doesn't go to Parnell Sq. anymore because a bus driver got stabbed there recently, so the anti-busdriver thing seems to be prevalent at the moment.)

Maybe I'm thick but I never worry about walking anywhere in the dark or otherwise, ever. I guess I figure there are better people to attack. I'm aware of myself, and know the "rules" for walking on your own at night, but to be frank conversations with people have worried me more than campus at night. Just walked in from the flyover a few minutes ago and the place is dead.

Breadmonkey - an escort from services means they drive along beside you as you walk home. They don't give you a lift. No, I'm not kidding, and yes, it is utterly ridiculous. Think of the time they'd save just dropping people home who felt unsafe, rather than motoring along beside them.

dajaffa

Might be an idea for services to patrol the route from the 10 bus stop to the stillorgan road for the couple of hours where the buses are still running but not coming into UCD. It'd certainly make people feel alot safer cause it's not a well lit route at the mo.


+ yes generalmiaow, that's the one

Wishbone Ash

If the topic was reposted on the Commuting and Transport Forum, you may get better information. (Several DB drivers are regular posters).

mloc

A little OT, but according to a garda at an RA induction last year, there has NEVER been a reported rape on the UCD belfield campus.

Also, get a 46A. They're much faster into town anyway!

Blush_01

No reported rape doesn't mean no rape. :rolleyes:

The 46a is fine if you're going to town. What if you're going to Baggot St? Anyway, the issue isn't speed, it's safety.

mloc

Blush_01 wrote:

No reported rape doesn't mean no rape. :rolleyes:

Quite true, unfortunately. And I'm sure that statistic doesn't cover anything that may happen at residences/parties so forth.

The 46a is fine if you're going to town. What if you're going to Baggot St? Anyway, the issue isn't speed, it's safety.

Also true. This point I concede. Living beside UCD, I usually get a 46A in and a 10 out of town. However, for people going into UCD on their own after dark or whatnot, it would be a concern if the bus did not terminate at its prior point of... termination.

Blush_01

mloc wrote:

Quite true, unfortunately. And I'm sure that statistic doesn't cover anything that may happen at residences/parties so forth.

If, by this, you deny the fact that rapes occur outside of res/parties then to my mind that shows a level of naivety on your part.

It really seems strange that they've cancelled it. I can't get my head around it. It's actually starting to bother me a bit, and it didn't until now.

mloc

Blush_01 wrote:

If, by this, you deny the fact that rapes occur outside of res/parties then to my mind that shows a level of naivety on your part.

Not at all. I simply meant that have been no reported incidents. And of course, there are significant unreported incidents nationally, so one must imagine there is a strong possibility that there may have been an unreported incident(s) on campus.

breadmonkey

Blush_01 wrote:

Breadmonkey - an escort from services means they drive along beside you as you walk home. They don't give you a lift. No, I'm not kidding, and yes, it is utterly ridiculous. Think of the time they'd save just dropping people home who felt unsafe, rather than motoring along beside them.

That is a joke. I wonder why that's the policy.

Blush_01

Probably so people won't just get bored and call for a lift home rather than walking for 5 minutes, especially if it's raining/freezing, I guess. Still, most people would never dream of calling them to escort them home, even if freaked out. Huh.

panda100

Can get over this.......Thats well out of order of Dublin bus. Maybe they stopped it cos they were sick of the hassle of so many drunk people in Belfield getting on the last bus. I admit myself to hopping on the last ten out of belfild and me and my mates probably annoying everyone else on the bus from our drunken behaviour:o


Also once I was getting on the number ten there at around 11 and the bus driver refused to let a bunch of guys and girls on cos they were singing and so he deemed them to drunk to be allowed on the bus. That happened more then once late at night at the belfield terminus.

cast_iron

breadmonkey wrote:

That is a joke. I wonder why that's the policy.

Exactly as Blush said. Otherwise they would be a campus taxi.

breadmonkey wrote:

Can get over this.......Thats well out of order of Dublin bus. Maybe they stopped it cos they were sick of the hassle of so many drunk people in Belfield getting on the last bus.

I doubt it because of that alone. Sure won't all the same people just go to the 46a instead.

And it's a bit harsh to call it out of line by Dublin Bus when you don't know the reasoning behind it. It may well be a valid safety concern.

Blush_01

To be fair, I don't think they would be. Not everyone knows they don't drop you home, and most people wouldn't dream of going to services in a pink fit about anything.

breadmonkey

cast_iron wrote:

Exactly as Blush said. Otherwise they would be a campus taxi.


I doubt it because of that alone. Sure won't all the same people just go to the 46a instead.

And it's a bit harsh to call it out of line by Dublin Bus when you don't know the reasoning behind it. It may well be a valid safety concern.

I have been misquoted, lol!:D

TheVan

HA!

One big problem with this thread....its BS!

I regularly get the 10 between 10 and 11.30pm....how do you like them apples?

Byrno

When's the last time you got it though The Van.

cast_iron

TheVan wrote:

HA!One big problem with this thread....its BS!

I don't think the Public Affairs Dept would be spreading BS. Well not in this case anyway:) .
Yes, they have stopped coming into campus: "The reason being, that there have been a number of anti-social behaviour incidents involving a number of students which has given us no choice but to withdraw the services."

Furthermore, "The management from Phibsboro garage from where the no. 10 operates are meeting with representatives of Belfield this week to have the matter resolved. Unless we can get assurances that this will discontinue, the buses will not operate through the campus at night.
"

As of yet, no other routes have been a problem.

themole

i emailed dublin bus a few hours ago, just checked my email now and it says what was shown above.

Pythia

Dublin Bus have done this before, I think the 77 to Tallaght didn't go into an estate out there because of concerns over safety.

Waltons

Pythia wrote:

Dublin Bus have done this before, I think the 77 to Tallaght didn't go into an estate out there because of concerns over safety.

Pythia's right here, from what I can remember. I'm fairly sure that the 77 doesn't run past a certain time at Halloween anyway because of worries about fireworks.
It's understandable that the service could be withdrawn if there was concern over driver or passenger safety. Inconvenient certainly, but understandable as well

Blush_01

The 77 sometimes has to get a Garda escort, and as far as I know it's company policy to curtail services to areas that have proved problematic to bus drivers. Still, surely people in University should be copped on enough to act in at least a vaguely mature manner when it comes to taking the bus?

Could they expand on the anti-social behaviour thing? Surely if it's that much of a problem the whole thing should be investigated by UCD with a view to disciplinary action against whoever the offending party/parties are?

cast_iron

Investigate, my foot. What the hell could they prove at this stage?

What i hope will happen is that UCD will provide assurances that the 10 terminus will be watched/patroled closely by services after 10pm each night.
This is a token that I could see Dublin Bus accepting. At the end of the day, driver safety (and suing by injured drivers) benefits no one - especially DB.

passive

At the end of the day, driver safety (and suing by injured drivers) benefits no one - especially DB.

removal of brackets = At the end of the day, driver safety benefits no one - especially DB.

cast_iron

My point is, that generally, Corporate Heads aren't usually over concerned about issues of this nature (driver safety).
But bring the brackets into play and the whole situation changes. Then you have big payouts and an impact on profits.

Perhaps if "especially DB" was bracketed also, this may have been clearer.

Byrno

Just to let ye know that there was an article today in the Evening Herald about this:

Apparently the 10 has stopped coming into Belfield after 10pm, "following incidents in which students drunkenly exposed themselves to other passengers or vomited.

"Sources say they are confident that the individuals will be identifiable on the CCTV system employed on Dublin Bus vehicles.

"A source in UCD said [strong disciplinary action] will be swift once the students have been identified, adding that UCD is known for its strong disciplinary record

"A spokesperson for the university confirmed the route had been curtailed since November 9, but expected it to be fully reinstated by the week's end."

rainbow kirby

Dublin Bus have done this before, I think the 77 to Tallaght didn't go into an estate out there because of concerns over safety.

Tbh, there's a massive difference between the average estate in Tallaght and a few drunken students in UCD. I know which one I'd be more worried about... put it this way: I will NOT get on a 77 after 6pm.

Stabshauptmann

I would, Id even sit down the back of the top deck. The 77N on the other hand...

snickerpuss

Byrno wrote:

Apparently the 10 has stopped coming into Belfield after 10pm, "following incidents in which students drunkenly exposed themselves to other passengers or vomited.

"A source in UCD said [strong disciplinary action] will be swift once the students have been identified, adding that UCD is known for its strong disciplinary record

Can UCD really discipline you for vomiting on a bus? Or anything else? I guess its inside the campus but i dunno.

wyndham

Just seen this thread now. I was on the last 10 on Thursday November 9. There were hijinxs/usual craic on board but nothing really malicious up to when i got off(Stephens Green). There were too many people upstairs, 3or 4 had to stand I think. The driver turned off the engine twice in Belfield because of the shouting and jostling and didn't turn it back on again until it subsided. When he did this, a lot of people started stamping their feet so he turned it off again. I wasn't particularly drunk (had 4-5 f-bombs), but there were a lot of first years from Kilkenny and Wexford (they had jerseys on)who were v.messy and drinking bottles of wine/naggins. Had the potential to turn nasty alright. Must have been a colours night on in the Porto or somewhere. He turned off the engine again outside the campus and was thretening to throw everyone off.

rotten_eggz

typical dublin bus s**t, other buses in town havnt been cancelled after similar or worse incidents but of course its students so its ok, it normally wouldnt bother me but now ive to walk from the 46a stop on a sunday with two bags!! the circle line should start running buses now theres noone doing it, they would clean up. thanks dublin bus!