What protein supplement

cormob

Okay, I'm just getting back into weight training and I want to start taking protein supplements. Which one should I get. I've heard whey protein is easier to digest and has a slightly higher protein ratio but some people swear by casein too. Any suggestions? Also, if you order from the states do you shafted on taxes ?

iregk

I use whey myself and in particular EAS 100% whey. Depends on your body though. You may find that eas does nothing for you and nutrition x works wonders and vice versa. Trial and error. Give one a bash, if it works well stick with it.

Price wise there are plenty of places over here where you can get it for similar price to the us so unless you want to wait weeks in order to say a fiver then well and good.

yomchi

Pro-X without doubt

Right_Side

Jon,

Could you tell me the types of protein you do at your store and their sizes and prices. Also a nutrional breakdown.

I currently take the Maximuscle Promax but Ive basically been told I'm getting ripped off price wise but I would like to take something nutrionally similar to this.

Regards

rubadub

cormob wrote:

Also, if you order from the states do you shafted on taxes ?

Possibly, but postage is the real killer. Cheapest I have ever seen by a good bit is www.bulkpowders.co.uk the shipping stays the same up to about 25kg once past a certain level. Something like £11, and it is couriered in a few days.

g'em

Right_Side wrote:

Jon,I currently take the Maximuscle Promax but Ive basically been told I'm getting ripped off price wise but I would like to take something nutrionally similar to this.

you are getting shafted, you're paying for marketing. Pro-X, EAS, ON, Nutrisport... any of the big brands all have very similar nutritional values at much lower prices and without the crap. At minumum look for a 25g protein in a 30g serving and go for one you like the taste of.

OP- for postworkout you want quickly absorbed whey, for before bed you want slow-release casein (whey and casein are jsut two slightly different protein types). Buy the whey and you can get the casein from milk/ cottae cheese if you don't want to fork out for a supp. But a whey shake is the easiest and most convenient way to get aa's into your body straight after working out.

King of Kings

iregk wrote:

I use whey myself and in particular EAS 100% whey. Depends on your body though. You may find that eas does nothing for you and nutrition x works wonders and vice versa. Trial and error. Give one a bash, if it works well stick with it.

Price wise there are plenty of places over here where you can get it for similar price to the us so unless you want to wait weeks in order to say a fiver then well and good.

switched from ON to EAS 100% and i like it a lot.
Also it's the first strawberry anything hat i find decent

Dragan

My main problem with Maximuscle is that there "Promax" Protein has, according to them, a bioavailability rating of 150%. I am unsure as to how exactly this is possible, as it implies that you absorb more protein than you actually ingest but hey, who am I to argue with their marketing department!!! I am but one man.

The top three protein supplements that I always recommned are 1) Nutrition X 2)Optimum Nutrition and 3) Reflex. All these guys actually produce there own whey…..unlike 98% of other companies who will simply contract buy the whey ( normally from the parent companies of the three named above or one of the other 3 dairies in the world who produce whey protein as a business ). The simple fact is that the above can offer a better product for a better price. I have used them all and have been very happy with them, although I think everyone knows that while they continue to make excellent products Nutrition X will always have my support.

As already said, EAS and Nutrisport also do good stuff and a simple look at the amino acid profile of any of them will tell you if a product is good or not.

Degsy

Here's a good deal in anybody's language!

http://www.fitnessireland.ie/product_info.php?products_id=448

yomchi

Right_Side wrote:

Jon,

Could you tell me the types of protein you do at your store and their sizes and prices. Also a nutrional breakdown.

I currently take the Maximuscle Promax but Ive basically been told I'm getting ripped off price wise but I would like to take something nutrionally similar to this.

Regards

Sure,

NUTRITIONX PRODUCTS:

Pro-X 4lb tub - 39.99 (available in choc, vanilla, strawberry, banana )
24.7g per 30g

Pro-X BIG WHEY 6lb tub - 49.99 or 2 for 87.99
22g per 30g

R.A.M (recovery accelerator matrix) €30 orange and strawberry 30g protein - 60g dextrose

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EAS 100% whey 2250g - 59.99 (choc, strawberry, vanilla) 23g per 30g

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ON 100% whey 10lb bag 94.99 (double choc, strawberry, vanilla, cookies and cream) 24g per 30.4g

ON 100% whey 5lb tub 54.99 (flavours as above)

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Reflex Instant whey 2lb tub 24.99 (choc, strawberry, vanilla) 19.5g per 25g

Reflex Miceller casein 2lb tub 35.99

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USN whey 2lb tub (choc, strawberry, vanilla) 29.99 - 80g per 100g relatively high in carbs however.

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Prolab pure whey 5lb tub (cinnamon oatmeal) 49.99 - 22g per 32g

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ISS whey matrix 5lb tub - 49.99 (strawberry, choc) 22g per 32g

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We did sell Promax but gave back every single tub of it because it didn't sell...actions speak louder than marketing

tribulus

Dragan, as far as I know the BV is calculated/obtained by using egg protein as the gold standard i.e it's BV is 100%, so what their saying is promax has a BV 1.5 times better or more available than egg protein.

I think most or all whey protein has a BV over 100%

I am however open to correction on this

g'em

The BV (Biological value of a food) is a measure of how well the body can absorb and utilise a protein. An egg scores 100, whey around 104. Dragan I'm not sure hwere your 'bioavailability' comes from??? I'm presuming you meant BV.

So as the BV isn't actually a % scale, more a rating, it's entirely possible for supplements to have higher BV's than eggs (besides which that scale is entirely relevant and reliant on other factors that will influence nitrogen balance in the body such as frequency of protein ingestion, current nutritional status etc etc) but to have them 50% above and beyond eggs is highly unlikely, unless a particular test study was done adminsitering the Promax under optimal conditions allowing the subject to absorb ridiculous amounts of protein. Having taken a quick look at Promax on their website, there's really nothing special about it at all, and in fact seems to deliver less protein per serving than other cheaper high quality wheys. So the moral of the story is... Maximuscle = overmarketed, overpriced hype.

Dammit... evey so often the nerdling in me just screams to be let out...

Dragan

"bioavailability" is an old joke because it used to be written on the side of ProMax tubs.

g'em

Dragan wrote:

"bioavailability" is an old joke because it used to be written on the side of ProMax tubs.

ah so I see you were just being too smart for your own good again then...

Dragan

g'em wrote:

ah so I see you were just being too smart for your own good again then...

Indeed, sadly my joke backfired as my Keto Brain neglected to put the inverted commas in the original post!!! ha ha ha:D

Right_Side

Jon wrote:

Sure,

NUTRITIONX PRODUCTS:

Pro-X 4lb tub - 39.99 (available in choc, vanilla, strawberry, banana )
24.7g per 30g

Pro-X BIG WHEY 6lb tub - 49.99 or 2 for 87.99
22g per 30g

R.A.M (recovery accelerator matrix) €30 orange and strawberry 30g protein - 60g dextrose

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EAS 100% whey 2250g - 59.99 (choc, strawberry, vanilla) 23g per 30g

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ON 100% whey 10lb bag 94.99 (double choc, strawberry, vanilla, cookies and cream) 24g per 30.4g

ON 100% whey 5lb tub 54.99 (flavours as above)

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Reflex Instant whey 2lb tub 24.99 (choc, strawberry, vanilla) 19.5g per 25g

Reflex Miceller casein 2lb tub 35.99

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USN whey 2lb tub (choc, strawberry, vanilla) 29.99 - 80g per 100g relatively high in carbs however.

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Prolab pure whey 5lb tub (cinnamon oatmeal) 49.99 - 22g per 32g

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ISS whey matrix 5lb tub - 49.99 (strawberry, choc) 22g per 32g

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We did sell Promax but gave back every single tub of it because it didn't sell...actions speak louder than marketing

Ok so I am looking to lose body fat and build muscle. Promax seemed to be the closest Maximuscle product for this criteria. Which one of these products fits the bill?

Thanks for all the info so far

Degsy

Right_Side wrote:

Ok so I am looking to lose body fat and build muscle. Promax seemed to be the closest Maximuscle product for this criteria. Which one of these products fits the bill?

Thanks for all the info so far

I think what people are saying is to avoid maximuscle as its overpriced and not very good...:rolleyes:

yomchi

Right_Side wrote:

Ok so I am looking to lose body fat and build muscle. Promax seemed to be the closest Maximuscle product for this criteria. Which one of these products fits the bill?

Thanks for all the info so far

Well my choice would be Pro-X. I have used it for a long time now and get great results on it. Apart from that the prices are unbeatable, which is just as important as their nutritional breakdown

cormob

Thanks for all the info guys, I bought a small 2kg tub of 90% casein just to tide me over, also found a place that'll give me 10lb of optimum 100% gold st for €75 so I might give that a go if I can't find anything better. Will check out all the sites first though

yomchi

cormob wrote:

Thanks for all the info guys, I bought a small 2kg tub of 90% casein just to tide me over, also found a place that'll give me 10lb of optimum 100% gold st for €75 so I might give that a go if I can't find anything better. Will check out all the sites first though

Where did you get your ON from.

cormob

I haven't got it yet but www.bodybuilding.com do a 10lb bag for $55. after shipping it works out at €75, the only problem is it'll probably take 2 weeks to get here

Anton17

PM easygainer on here. he's selling it for 75 as well.

King of Kings

cormob wrote:

I haven't got it yet but www.bodybuilding.com do a 10lb bag for $55. after shipping it works out at €75, the only problem is it'll probably take 2 weeks to get here

2 weeks??? you'll be lucky....it's be more like 25 days and wait till the DHL office cannot release it cos the customs doctor has not inspected it yet and he is not due for a week...lol

Are you sure of that price and your doller - euro rate cos last time I ordered their shipping was a lot dearer0-

that said they are dirt cheaper and great price for smaller stuff that doesn't weigh 5kg

tribulus

i'd go with easygainer tbh, same price if your calculations are right and it won't take 2weeks to get!

cormob

Yeah, looks like a plan. I'm sure about thos prices though. here's a link http://bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html

yomchi

yeh its true if customs get a hold of it your screwed for more money and time.

Transform

Easygainer gets my vote