National Student Championship

carfax

Hi all,

I just thought I would post a thread to let you all know that we have been working really hard at getting this Student Event organised.

We will be confirming a sponsor soon and will make sure the players really get looked after.

As you all know we are going to put on a real WSOP style event and would really appreciate any support we can get.

We will be registering players online for this event (although you will be able to pay cash) and registration will close one week in advance of the event (so that we can organise dealers etc)

If any interested players could register on PokerIreland.ie now that would be great, it will make things easier for us when we get things going.

Just wanted to start this thread to let you all know that we're still working on it.

myflipflops

sounds quality, i'm off to register.


edit: do i just e-mail you to register carfax?

carfax

Cheers P,

Yeah you can email me to register and I will be displaying all registered players on the site. But if you can register on our forum too that would be great (just to make us feel loved).

We will need every player to pay their entry fee in advance so we are setting up NetTeller on the site.

We will also be asking all of the Student Poker Societies involved to take registrations for players so you can pay your entry with them too.


We are still working on a lot of the finer details but hopefully all will be clear by the end of this week. The supprt we've gotten so far has been absolutely brilliant, thanks to all.

fobster

That sounds excellent. Nice work.

When does registration open for the event??

carfax

Players can email us now with their details, college and the method of payment they would like to use.
stephen[at]pokerireland.ie

Official registration will probably open this Monday but I will post here as soon as we are ready for everyone, lol.

modmuffin

can "mature" students play?

carfax

This tournament is open to all students
Just send in your registration and we will get you sorted out.

Mellor

modmuffin wrote:

can "mature" students play?

Define mature?

ditpoker

i know there is an eagerness to get as many players as possible. BUT if think players should have to produce a student card, or even make it under-23's or something. I remember hearing stories of a freezeout in UCD one year where the final table had one student at it.

yopnailbrush

A valid student card... only

valor

When is it on?

RoadSweeper

20th Jan

carfax

20th Jan is not 100% at the moment. A lot of people have exams around that time so early Feb may well be better.....I will be confirming a dates/venue (and paying for it) later this week.

As regards the "mature" students question, I will be relying heavily on each individual college poker society to take players' registration monees.

Anyone that registers through me will certainly have to show me ID.

I think we can be pretty certain that the vast majority of players will be students.

By the way the entry fee will more than likely be €50 + €5 reg....Was hoping to have it with no reg fee but we'll have to make do.

Mellor

€5 is grand for such a good structure. No offense to any of the games around the city, but this is looking to be the best ever structure for a €50 game.
Will it be a yearly thing?

Goodluck2me

5euro is grand i wouldnt worry about it. i def think it should be students only or u-23s myself too or it will just be a normal tournament. i also have my doubts about college societies organisign the names as not everyone plays in the college etc and also the risk of nepotism with friends etc..

phantom_lord

Sounds great, I'm looking forward to this. I doubt 5 reg is gonna turn anyone away...

digiman

Any chance of making this for under 23s, I would love to play in this event but I just graduated yesterday!!

AKQJ10

sounds good, just wondering is it freezeout?

shoutman

Yea its a freezeout,

I would be all in favour of having it as an under 23 event. More showcasing young talent more so then college student talent....

Pharell_st

im def in for this too.

carfax

Hi all,

I think its best to keep it as a student event. If we make it an U23's event then we would be excluding any student that happens to be over the age of 23.

We will be advertising this as the National Student Poker Championship and will be taking all reasonable steps to ensure that all of the players involved are students.

I hope it is the best structure going but I presume you all can see that it is not a profit making tournament by a long way.....Thats why I've been trying to get sponsorship.

I don't think it should take away from any of the other tournament organisers in Ireland (most of whom do a really good job). But I do hope that it offers something different to students and shows them poker at its best.

shoutman

I know what you are saying ste, my worry is that I know of a few good players under 23 who arent in college... Is it possible to have it student + anyone under 23?

digiman

shoutman wrote:

I know what you are saying ste, my worry is that I know of a few good players under 23 who arent in college... Is it possible to have it student + anyone under 23?

I completly agree with this and I think you would get a lot more players this way aswell. Also it would be good to have a tournament that showcases Ireland's younger players rather than just students. I know of quite a few of my college grads friends that would love to play in this and they all only finished college last year. And you can see already from just be and shoutman that there would definitely be a demand for this and it would be worthwhile changing it slightly.

carfax

Sounds good to me.

Why don't we say under the age of 26.....

I will go by the general consensus on this forum.

yopnailbrush

Totally Daft!!

If its the National Student Championship then ONLY STUDENTS NEED APPLY

if you want an under 26 tournament call it THE NATIONAL KIDDIES CHAMPIONSHIP....

Common the important thing is people can prove they are in college and any prize takers should be have to be able to prove this to collect the cash.

Quit the bull about age

carfax

I've no problem either way TBH.

The vast majority of questions that I have been asked since starting to organise this are along the lines of "I used to be a student, can I play?", but I'm happy either way.

The nature of poker is that it is open to all but as this is the National Student Championship then it should be just for current students (even though ya all are a lazy bunch of good-for-nothins, lol).

Point taken YopNail; Decision made.....Students only.

RasTa

Having an age limit is stupid to be honest. Student championship is fine and every player must produce student I.D. UCD should be banned though. What about oversea's students ? Will my uni card work ?

carfax

RasTa wrote:

Having an age limit is stupid to be honest. Student championship is fine and every player must produce student I.D. UCD should be banned though. What about oversea's students ? Will my uni card work ?

All students allowed.

Volunteers welcome to help with organisation.....stephen[at]pokerireland.ie

ditpoker

i will volunteer to do the following:

• help organise
• marketing
• TD help if needed (assuming any attempts to win it go all wrong)
• run qualifiers in DIT
• run the 6 handed omaha tournament that will start at 4pm on the same day for all the early exit players
• get oscar to deal at .10/.20 cash game!

carfax

ditpoker wrote:

i will volunteer to do the following:

• help organise
• marketing
• TD help if needed (assuming any attempts to win it go all wrong)
• run qualifiers in DIT
• run the 6 handed omaha tournament that will start at 4pm on the same day for all the early exit players
• get oscar to deal at .10/.20 cash game!

Lol,
Brilliant.
No need to help TD just go and win the thing.
Omaha, thank God for that too......We should probably start it at about 8pm on the day though.

carfax

ditpoker wrote:

i will volunteer to do the following:

• help organise
• marketing
• TD help if needed (assuming any attempts to win it go all wrong)
• run qualifiers in DIT
• run the 6 handed omaha tournament that will start at 4pm on the same day for all the early exit players
• get oscar to deal at .10/.20 cash game!

Lol,
Brilliant.
No need to help TD just go and win the thing.
Omaha, thank God for that too......We should probably start it at about 8pm on the day though.

carfax

So funny I had to reply twice.

cooker3

Well I am happy to help out on the day for anything I can do, set up stuff etc.
Conor told me your were talking to him at the EPT so he will be organising it from dcu end but obviousley I can help out.

Goodluck2me

RasTa wrote:

Having an age limit is stupid to be honest. Student championship is fine and every player must produce student I.D. UCD should be banned though. What about oversea's students ? Will my uni card work ?

no overseas players, only white irish need apply... of course over seas students can apply it would be ridiculius otherwise. :rolleyes:

UCD should be banned?? :eek: good idea, its only one of the biggest student bodies in ireland.

if you were running a tournament you could probably hold it in a phone box.:D

digiman

yopnailbrush wrote:

Totally Daft!!

If its the National Student Championship then ONLY STUDENTS NEED APPLY

if you want an under 26 tournament call it THE NATIONAL KIDDIES CHAMPIONSHIP....

Common the important thing is people can prove they are in college and any prize takers should be have to be able to prove this to collect the cash.

Quit the bull about age

Can you give 1 reason why you can't let not students who are the same age as students (under 23) play in this? And dont say something stupid like becasue the title says its for students only.

RasTa wrote:

Having an age limit is stupid to be honest.

Any particualar reason for this?

I think it shoule be an under 23 tournament for the following reasons:

1) The tournament is basically for young people so why exclude non-students? Thats just discrimination!!
2) If Ireland is ever to have a WSOP winner we need young poker players to be playing in tournaments like this with a realatively cheap buy in to groom them for bigger international tournaments so they can get used to this environment of mutli table and day tournaments
3) The standard in general would be higher
4) The more people you can attract the better, this will give a bigger prizepool and a better chance of bigger sponsorship.

The only reason I can see for not letting non-students enter is that it would attract people who are a lot older and loads of poker experience walking away with the prize but I think that an age limit of 23 would prevent this.

Goodluck2me

digiman wrote:

Can you give 1 reason why you can't let not students who are the same age as students (under 23) play in this? And dont say something stupid like becasue the title says its for students only.



Any particualar reason for this?

I think it shoule be an under 23 tournament for the following reasons:

1) The tournament is basically for young people so why exclude non-students? Thats just discrimination!!
2) If Ireland is ever to have a WSOP winner we need young poker players to be playing in tournaments like this with a realatively cheap buy in to groom them for bigger international tournaments so they can get used to this environment of mutli table and day tournaments
3) The standard in general would be higher
4) The more people you can attract the better, this will give a bigger prizepool and a better chance of bigger sponsorship.

The only reason I can see for not letting non-students enter is that it would attract people who are a lot older and loads of poker experience walking away with the prize but I think that an age limit of 23 would prevent this.

im all for having it as a student tournament to be honest, but you do make so very good points.

one reason would be people who are off working have the bankroll to buy in to bigger events that (most) students dont have the opportunity to.

however i like the idea of young people playing, as some guys may have just dropped out recently etc and would make good entrants. personally id like to see this go as a students tournament but maybe run another one shortly afterwards as an u23s? having it as college game means MORE likely to get sponsorship as the unis might feel a little more involved.

LuckyLloyd

I've kept quiet on this debate though it affects me. I am not a student. I am a 22 yr old fella taking a couple of years out from college for experience and some cash before pursuing a postgrad.

The majority of my friends are students / people that will go back to further study after a break of working for a couple of years.

While I am not currently a student, I fail to see such a clear distinction between students and myself. I would very much like to play in this tournament and would personally not feel out of place entering it. I would propose the following two alternatives:

1) Open for entry to all current undergraduates / postgraduates (irrespective of age) and individuals that can prove attendance in an undergraduate course within the last 3 years or a postgraduate course in the last two - student card or official college letter proving acceptable proof for collection of prize - money.

2) Re - name the tournament the National U23 Championships. Make it so that anyone who is 22 or younger on the 1st January 2006 is eligible to participate. Any official ID used as acceptable proof for collection of prize - money.


I would argue that we should aim to be as inclusive as possible. As such, I prefer option 1 rather than an age division but I feel either option will showcase some good younger talent. The benefits of a bigger field are obvious - more prizepool, better chance of bigger sponsorship and media attention - more of a justification for a World Series modelled event.

My two cents on the matter.

shoutman

I agree with a lot of what lloyd has to say.
But I was somewhat under the impression that this tournament should be a showcase for young irish players more so then just for people who got into college.

I would like to scrap the student thing altogether and just have it as an u23 tournement, I know this might mean we would be missing out on the tens of people who are mature students wanting to play this...

I know there is people out there who play poker but decided for whatever reason not to go or stay in college but who decided to go into a trade or just decided to go on the dole, should they be penalised by not being able to play a quality event such as this?

Just because it is not labelled as a student event does not mean that College poker socs will withdraw support, undoubtedly the vast majority of players will be college students.

LuckyLloyd

shoutman wrote:

I know there is people out there who play poker but decided for whatever reason not to go or stay in college but who decided to go into a trade or just decided to go on the dole, should they be penalised by not being able to play a quality event such as this?

Such "people" (i prefer bums) should be penalised in ways far greater than missing out on a poker tournament.

Mellor

I've been talking about this tourney since the start with the everyone, so I suppose I better give my opinion on the student vrs 23 debate.

I don't think it has to be limited to just students, but I also don't think that all under 23s should be allowed to play without condition,

So my idea is,
The following people should be allowed to play.

1. Any person of any age attending a 3rd level institute
2. Any person who attended a 3rd level institute in the last two years. Since academic year 04/05
3. Any person under the age of 23 who quailifies through a 3rd level institute organised game*

*3rd level institute organised game is any quailifer, weekly €5 rebuys with tickets available for final table, €5 blind omaha 11 handed game etc

Rb

Sounds like its going to be a fantastic tourny.

As a 20 year old whos not a current student (was last year though), would love to play this.

That said, I can understand if the organisers just want to keep it as a college event. The arguments for making it a U23 tourny instead are quite strong and valid, however if the organisers want to keep it as a somewhat inter-college tourny, well...its their tourny...its at their discretion to put whatever limits on entry they like.

RasTa

goodluck2me wrote:

no overseas players, only white irish need apply... of course over seas students can apply it would be ridiculius otherwise. :rolleyes:

UCD should be banned?? :eek: good idea, its only one of the biggest student bodies in ireland.

if you were running a tournament you could probably hold it in a phone box.:D

I asked that because I am studying overseas(i'll be coming over from England to win this!). You dont understand sarcasm very well, although how could you...you study in UCD

RasTa

digiman wrote:

Can you give 1 reason why you can't let not students who are the same age as students (under 23) play in this? And dont say something stupid like becasue the title says its for students only.



Any particualar reason for this?

I think it shoule be an under 23 tournament for the following reasons:

1) The tournament is basically for young people so why exclude non-students? Thats just discrimination!!
2) If Ireland is ever to have a WSOP winner we need young poker players to be playing in tournaments like this with a realatively cheap buy in to groom them for bigger international tournaments so they can get used to this environment of mutli table and day tournaments
3) The standard in general would be higher
4) The more people you can attract the better, this will give a bigger prizepool and a better chance of bigger sponsorship.

The only reason I can see for not letting non-students enter is that it would attract people who are a lot older and loads of poker experience walking away with the prize but I think that an age limit of 23 would prevent this.

Point one. Is irrelevant, if its a tourney for students why exclude older ones!
Point two. Bit far fetched really but if u say so
Point three. It would be tighter, not so sure about higher
Point four. True

My main gripe is advertising it as the student only poker champs and then doing a u turn and only allowing first and 2nd years to play. I'm a third year at the mo and will be 23 in a couple of days. Along with most third years.

Anyway I have never heard of an age cap on a tourney and I hope this isnt the first one because non students want to play in it.
Well maybe the seniors wsop event

aodea

personally i think it should be for students as a student championship such events are held in europe and are very successful. First this all came about as some people could not afford to play the boards monthly game and an idea spread from there. The point i see is that students dont have 200 euro in general to buy into tournments with good structures however anybody who works does. Students will quailfy to this through winning tickets for as little as a fiver. Not a lot will buy in for the actually 50.

The ones who do are the ones who may buy in regurular to 50 euro games so i guess some students will be happy to qualify for cheap to play a good tourni that 60% of thee field will be like themselves and not have played much as opposse to were they are the minorty as make no mistakes about it there are a lot of good poker players under 23 in ireland many of which care little about 50euro but will care about the large prize money.

on boards alone under 23s are fiddlesticks, Ditpoker, LuckyLloyd, Shoutman, Jbravado i think and this are just ones i know of there are so many good young players who may not be students that it defeats the point of a student championship students are cheap.

under 23s championship sure but bigger buy in is needed for that as it will be a differnt type tourni.

digiman

RasTa wrote:

Point one. Is irrelevant, if its a tourney for students why exclude older ones!
Point two. Bit far fetched really but if u say so
Point three. It would be tighter, not so sure about higher
Point four. True

My main gripe is advertising it as the student only poker champs and then doing a u turn and only allowing first and 2nd years to play. I'm a third year at the mo and will be 23 in a couple of days. Along with most third years.

Anyway I have never heard of an age cap on a tourney and I hope this isnt the first one because non students want to play in it.
Well maybe the seniors wsop event

Just to clarify on point 1, what I mean is a a combined u23 and student tournament, sorry this was clear in my head!! but not in the thread

carfax

I have been dealing with lots and lots of potential sponsors about this event (not just European sites) and there is a lot of interest in it.

The reason there is interest is not only because of the customers they might gain from student players in years to come but also because they will get a lot of main stream press coverage for this tournament.

Once we get organised everything should go fine but we need to remember that this type of structure with this level of buy-in will not be possible without added money from a sponsor.

I would love to say that anyone can play but its not the way to go about this. Anyone who is over 18 and is a student can play, its that simple.

As it stands right now it looks like the players involved might get a very good deal (added prize-money etc) so everything has to be by the book.

I would really appreciate it if every Poker society could email me to say that they are interested in supporting the event. stephen[at]pokerireland.ie
And if they could start compiling a list of players that would be great too.

Thanks all, sorry to anyone that might miss out on this but I have big plans for other events that I will be looking for support for in the near future.

Goodluck2me

carfax wrote:

I have been dealing with lots and lots of potential sponsors about this event (not just European sites) and there is a lot of interest in it.

The reason there is interest is not only because of the customers they might gain from student players in years to come but also because they will get a lot of main stream press coverage for this tournament.

Once we get organised everything should go fine but we need to remember that this type of structure with this level of buy-in will not be possible without added money from a sponsor.

I would love to say that anyone can play but its not the way to go about this. Anyone who is over 18 and is a student can play, its that simple.

As it stands right now it looks like the players involved might get a very good deal (added prize-money etc) so everything has to be by the book.

I would really appreciate it if every Poker society could email me to say that they are interested in supporting the event. stephen[at]pokerireland.ie
And if they could start compiling a list of players that would be great too.

Thanks all, sorry to anyone that might miss out on this but I have big plans for other events that I will be looking for support for in the near future.

good work. what did you say teh blind structure would be? 45 mins/ 60?

on a side note we could easily run another one in march as an under 23s tournament.

also

carfax

goodluck2me wrote:

good work. what did you say teh blind structure would be? 45 mins/ 60?

on a side note we could easily run another one in march as an under 23s tournament.

also

Blinds probably 45mins with WSOP structure more than likely.

I'm already getting the plans in motion for something similar to an U25's, I'm 25 so I don't want to feel like I'm past it just yet.

Once we get this Student one organised we can do alsorts of different tournaments including intervarsity/U25's tournaments with different structures.

Goodluck2me

carfax wrote:

Blinds probably 45mins with WSOP structure more than likely.

I'm already getting the plans in motion for something similar to an U25's, I'm 25 so I don't want to feel like I'm past it just yet.

Once we get this Student one organised we can do alsorts of different tournaments including intervarsity/U25's tournaments with different structures.

your 25???:eek: you mean your 25 since your 10th birthday!lol..what do you mean i cant play:D

45 sounds perfect. keep up the good work.

carfax

goodluck2me wrote:

your 25???:eek: you mean your 25 since your 10th birthday!lol..what do you mean i cant play:D

45 sounds perfect. keep up the good work.

Lol, you too Joe.

Pharell_st

carfax wrote: »

Hi all,

I think its best to keep it as a student event. If we make it an U23's event then we would be excluding any student that happens to be over the age of 23.

We will be advertising this as the National Student Poker Championship and will be taking all reasonable steps to ensure that all of the players involved are students.

carfax wrote: »

Decision made.....Students only.

LOL - So any more "definite" decisions made this year?