Human Growth Hormone

Millionaire

Hi

I was reading about Human Growth Hormone... apparently it offers massive energy, sharp brain, increased performance , cuts fat, grows muscle...and is all natural.

Anyone know anything about it?

amazingemmet

I know a bit what do you want to know about it?

The basics are personally i think its over priced to the average person, has to be taken with insulin* to get it to work, igf-1 is a better alternative, won't show up on any known drug tests at the moment, for best results will need to be stacked with a testoserone based steroid and hgh will make every part of you grow literally you head will grow your insides will grow aswell as the muscle.

*Messing with insulin can kill you or leave you a diabetic if misused.

Tbh normal steroids will give you pretty much the results your looking for and will be natural too if you stick to testosterone based ones.

Millionaire

ah ok. I am in a thai boxing camp in thailand, and some foreign lads are muscled and ripped like hell. i asked them did they do weights or how they got in such good shape, and they said it was just from Thai Boxing, which is pure BS, and would tell me now more.

I suspected their on something.

I want to get massive energy, not bodybuild, I am on the go non stop from 7am - midnight between my job, other work I do, and 1 or 2 sessions of thai training, plus running.

I wanted to get a boost between now and xmas, and then take a break from what ever give me the boost. and I heard HGH is great, and it available here for a reasonable cost.

I just box, I do not lift weights..... so I found this...

Human growth hormone, as prepared for medical use. This is currently the most expensive drug in use by athletes, so one should take special care when acquiring this on the black market. A high percentage of these items turn out to be relabeled HCG which bears a resemblance to GH. Some more unsterile and dangerous counterfeits have also been reported. Growth hormone itself is very delicate and is best stored at cool temperatures and used quickly. This is added worry, even when purchasing legitimate GH, as the item may not have been handled properly before purchase.

Human growth hormone (hGH) is produced by somatotropes in the pituitary gland of the human brain. Somatotropes make up more than 50% of the pituitary gland and growth hormone is by far the most important hormone produced there. By the age of 60 most people will have approximately 80% less growth hormone in their system than when they were 20. Signs of GH reduction include increased body fat, increased anxiety, social isolation, poor general health, and lack of positive well being. GH has been the supplement of choice for many professional athletes over the years. American football great, Lyle Alzado, claimed that 80% of all professional American football players, including himself, have taken GH. GH has amazing age-reversing effects that make it possibly the strongest anabolic substance available. Some of the benefits associated with GH supplementation include the reversal of common diseases associated with aging, improved brain activity and function, it strengthens connective tissue which reduces the probability of injury, incredible weight loss without any loss in lean mass, reduces wrinkles by rejuvenating the skin, it raises energy levels and brightens mood, promotes muscle growth, improves libido, improves functions of the lungs which increases the level of oxygen in the blood stream, provides immune system support and Thymus function, and probably the most impressive characteristic is, its ability to produce more muscle cells, something no steroid can do.

There has been a lot of controversy around GH and its effectiveness. While one athlete may make tremendous strides toward his goal, another may see practically no improvement at all. This is easily explained. Because GH is dosage-dependent, often times an athlete doesn't use enough, long enough. A sufficient dose of GH can cost around $150-$170 per day and a common black market price is around $20-$30 per I.U. making GH possibly the most expensive supplement. Another misconception is that GH by itself is the answer. GH by itself is practically useless. The real problem isn't a lack of GH secretion but a lack of GH conversion in the liver. There are two other hormones that are needed for maximum anabolic effect; insulin, and Cytomel or other LT-3 thyroid hormone. This can be further enhanced by the supplementation of other anticatabolic drugs such as steroids, Clenbuterol, or an ephedrine based supplement.

It is tough to find out what the most effective dosages are. According to our sources, it is popular to use about .3 I.U./week for each pound of body weight. For example a person weighing 200lbs. will need 60 I.U. per week. The dosages can be injected intramuscularly three times a week broken into 20 I.U. injections. A more popular way to inject is subcutaneously (under the skin and above the muscle) using 1/2" insulin needles. When injected this way the dosage should be done daily in small intervals alternating to each side of the body with each injection. American doctors often prescribe a dosage of 2 I.U. per day, however a popular dosage is between 4-10 I.U. a day. When injecting GH, it is important to not inject in the same area every time.

Side effects of GH are not at all the same as with anabolic and androgenic steroids. Most common side effects are hypoglycemia (low blood sugar level) and inadequate thyroid function. A huge misconception, brought on by the mass media, is that Giantism is a common side effect of using GH in the normal human body. This is only true if GH is used during the pre-pubescent period time in ones life. It is very important that a person be completely full grown and mature before using GH. Other rare side effects include diabetes, heart enlargement, high blood pressure, and enlargement of the kidneys. The most common problem is not with the injecting of GH, but the injecting of the insulin to go with it. Improper injection of insulin can lead to serious problems.

Growth Hormone comes from the substance somatotropin which is available in a powder form as well. It must be mixed with the solution that it comes with before it can be injected. It is suggested that the solution be injected immediately or stored in the refrigerator.

yomchi

Hey Gerry,

HGH takes months and months for anything to happen. I didn't read all of your post..its too early!
For energy you want to be looking at a carboloader / some L-Tyrosine and caffiene based products. Steer clear of HGH its not worth the hassle and won't help your thai one bit.
As Emmet stated you can mix it with insulin which is dicing with your health.

check out this product and tell me if its what you're after www.vitargo.com

amazingemmet

If your in thailand you've got direct access to british dragon steroids there and for the goals you stated a cycle test would do you alot better then hgh.

Millionaire

what I have heard about over here is the following, but I am sure there is much more....

This is what is on offer over the counter here cheap cheap ...
Human Growth Hormone injected ,

Melatonin,

DHEA,
Clenbuterol (is that the Hollywood fad now?) Cetabon which is similar to Clenbuterol I think,

Testosterone stuff which is injected weekly ..(Thats a steriod to recover muscles and or help fighters train better???)

any opinions?

Thanks

G

Dragan

Hey Gerry ,

If it really a subject you are interested in then I suggest picking up a copy of Anabolics 2006 by Willian Llewllyn as it is a pretty comprehensive look at the subject. I also suggest that you not only look into the steroids but also the correct PCT course as well.

Finally I suggest that you simple do not do steroids.

Millionaire

yes, reading away on the net, all sort of info and head is spinning!

HammerHeadGym

Hey Gerry,
For what you are looking for HGH is prolly the best stuff going. Dont bother witht the insulin though. How much is reasonably priced btw?

I should point out that I am also aware of Gerry's old knee injuries

Millionaire

Hi Hammer Head you get a pack HGH of 10 vials of 10UL and the mix to go with it for 17,000 bhat which is approx 365 euro. I was told to get one injection of of 10UL a week (which is mixed with the other vial in the pack), to see how it goes, since I am only 34 (they reckon once a week is enough, but a 60 year old might need a few shots a week).

I am not sure if this is the right doseage, and they say takes 3 weeks min to work.

Also said if taken with a one off course of Clen, and aweekly shot to Testo would really help.

So better to take it easy and slow and see.

PS Re Knee Injury....I have been this past few months taking 2 or 3 1000 mgs of fish oils caps over the day, and the knees much is better, no pains or creeks . I put it down to the fish oil.

I will follow the above for until xmas, and then knock off for a few weeks.

cowzerp

Human Growth Hormone (hGH) – A hormone secreted by the anterior pituitary gland in response to various stressful stimuli such as heat, starvation and intense physical stress (e.g., exercise), as well as by an innate pulsatile periodicity. The principal functions of HGH are to stimulate anabolism and to mobilize stored fat (triglycerides) for energy, thus sparing muscle glycogen. This is the closest thing to a fountain of youth known to man and lowers in your body as you age..

empirix

Are you insane, personally i'd stear clear of all this crap unless if theres money to be made - turning pro etc. Growth hormone is muck, and i wouldn't fancy ****ing myself up over in Thailand either(if things did go wrong).

Dragan

cowzerp wrote:

Human Growth Hormone (hGH) – A hormone secreted by the anterior pituitary gland in response to various stressful stimuli such as heat, starvation and intense physical stress (e.g., exercise), as well as by an innate pulsatile periodicity. The principal functions of HGH are to stimulate anabolism and to mobilize stored fat (triglycerides) for energy, thus sparing muscle glycogen. This is the closest thing to a fountain of youth known to man and lowers in your body as you age..

So other than a direct quote from Wiki or where-ever, do you actual have an opinion on growth hormone use?

iregk

Jon wrote:

check out this product and tell me if its what you're after www.vitargo.com

If its energy your after then I would recommend what Jon has posted. I used to use it when I was heavy into the cycling and will go back using it next season when I get back in the saddle. Its not an explosive energy release such as Ultimate Orange but it gives you a sustained energy and basically fills your muscles with carbs. I'd highly recommend it as opposed to screwing around with growth hormones.

It can also be used prior to workout and will help you to lift more and by that grow more!

amazingemmet

HammerHeadGym wrote:

Hey Gerry,
For what you are looking for HGH is prolly the best stuff going. Dont bother witht the insulin though. How much is reasonably priced btw?

I should point out that I am also aware of Gerry's old knee injuries

Sorry but without insulin the hgh will only contribute to bone and cartiledge growth and not muscle grow or lipolysis(sp?) I suggest you read up a bit more before offering advice.

amazingemmet

Millionaire wrote:

Hi Hammer Head you get a pack HGH of 10 vials of 10UL and the mix to go with it for 17,000 bhat which is approx 365 euro. I was told to get one injection of of 10UL a week (which is mixed with the other vial in the pack), to see how it goes, since I am only 34 (they reckon once a week is enough, but a 60 year old might need a few shots a week).

I am not sure if this is the right doseage, and they say takes 3 weeks min to work.

Also said if taken with a one off course of Clen, and aweekly shot to Testo would really help.

So better to take it easy and slow and see.

PS Re Knee Injury....I have been this past few months taking 2 or 3 1000 mgs of fish oils caps over the day, and the knees much is better, no pains or creeks . I put it down to the fish oil.

I will follow the above for until xmas, and then knock off for a few weeks.

The above is one of the worst thought out cycles i've ever seen. Please don't start it until you fully understand what each substance is and its effects and proper post cycle therapy.

Millionaire

http://www.vitargo.com/01UK/Index_Products.html

They got a few products here and I would have to ge it shipped here, so which one would you recommend? (not interested the bars).

Its energy I need to keep going, not only for morning boxing, but to keep the energy levels high to stay motivated to do my work job at night. if it is sustained energy and I want to work from say 4pm - 11pm then a dose of it, at 4pm might give me the "systained energy" to keep motivated, in stead of being bolloxed tired.

Millionaire

amazingemmet wrote:

The above is one of the worst thought out cycles i've ever seen. Please don't start it until you fully understand what each substance is and its effects and proper post cycle therapy.

what would you recommend then, if my cycle is not a good one?

My reading on it, say insulin or Cytomel will give max HGH effect, but it also can be enhanced by anticatabolic drugs such as steriods, or Clenbuterol.

so If I get testo and clen, with it, then am I not using the right supplments to max the HGH effects?

I would not use insulin though, too much risk there.

I spend hours this past few days on loads of sites, and forums, as per alot of fitness, one says do the other do not. etc! its confusing!

any ideas then?

As I said I eat great, tons of water, and the usual Vits and it is not helping at all. I feel drained alot.

Degsy

Millionaire wrote:

what would you recommend then, if my cycle is not a good one?

My reading on it, say insulin or Cytomel will give max HGH effect, but it also can be enhanced by anticatabolic drugs such as steriods, or Clenbuterol.

so If I get testo and clen, with it, then am I not using the right supplments to max the HGH effects?

I would not use insulin though, too much risk there.

I spend hours this past few days on loads of sites, and forums, as per alot of fitness, one says do the other do not. etc! its confusing!

any ideas then?

As I said I eat great, tons of water, and the usual Vits and it is not helping at all. I feel drained alot.

Could you have picked up a bug of some sort?Malaria maybe?

yomchi

Have a read of this too

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hgh.html

trollybus

Millionaire have you considered a good structured diet! You seem adamant that you want to use drugs but you could probably get what you are looking for with a goos nutritional plan

amazingemmet

Millionaire hgh is useless with out insulin as it won't be converted to igf-1 in the liver without. I'm not sure that i can suggest a cycle for you here. Send me a pm if you want and i cna suggest one. Also can you post up your diet.

Jak

There are other forums where you are welcome to discuss the pros and cons of various forms of gear and related cycles - This is not one of them unfortunately folks. Discussing these things is something of a grey area on boards... However what is certain, is that this is not the place for giving or taking advice on potentially very dangerous substances.

I'll leave the thread open for final thoughts.

As an aside, from your initial and subsequent posts I think you are out of your depth on this issue and unsure of what you are actually looking for out of this. There have been some accurate posts here in terms of advice.

I have just three points:

1. HGH is not easy to come by - and as such is extremely expensive. However, being charged a high amount of money for something does not mean you are getting the real thing - this is an obvious issue with black markets. However, not getting a real pair of jeans is one thing, injecting something other than what you expect is considerably more dangerous.

2. If you do decide to follow this path then get some proper medical advice. Web forums and the guy selling it to you do not qualify.

3. Individually, my opinion is that moving to taking gear is not just about great results for training but also dependency and short versus long run health. If you gain something in training in the short run what will you achieve? A couple of amateur bouts? Look a bit bigger? Feel safer?

In the long run if you run into health (or financial) problems because of this or related substances you will hopefully have the sense to stop. The problem you will face then in terms of your prior dependency will be crushing in terms of your future training.

JAK.

ps- Cowzers quote is from Fred Hatfields site - possibly reproduced elsewhere... and now here.

t-ha

Jak wrote:

I'll leave the thread open for final thoughts.

Thanks JAK, I have a couple...

1] I was told by a doctor once (and I know that that does not make it gospel - but it makes it worth checking out) that the use of GH in bodybuilding was pushed because it failed to pass clinical trials for use in mainstream medicine to improve recovery times in a wide variety of patients. As such, the ability to produce lots of it was in place, and alot of money had been spent on it, but as it failed in trials there was no market for it & markets had to be created - thus anti-ageing clinics, bodybuilding mags etc. all started to tout GH as the thing to have.

2] GH is the worst thing to happen to bodybuilding ever - how much of the increased weight today's pros carry is in their muscles and how much is in their jaws and intenstines?

3] To the OP, if you don't feel energetic, there's probably a reason for it that's worth looking into. Using GH to fix it is like putting a 20 litre fuel tank on your car so you don't have to stop for gas so often, when the real problem is that you're running too rich. Maybe I have things ass-ways, but it seems to me that the less stuff you're putting into your body, the better you're able to isolate, and fix up, all those little problems that are holding back your training - once you've got everything perfect, then do/take whatever the hell you want, but don't use it to cover-up existing problems.

Dragan

t-ha wrote:

1] I was told by a doctor once (and I know that that does not make it gospel - but it makes it worth checking out) that the use of GH in bodybuilding was pushed because it failed to pass clinical trials for use in mainstream medicine to improve recovery times in a wide variety of patients. As such, the ability to produce lots of it was in place, and alot of money had been spent on it, but as it failed in trials there was no market for it & markets had to be created - thus anti-ageing clinics, bodybuilding mags etc. all started to tout GH as the thing to have.

That is an excellent point…there have been more than a few studies done between Deca and GH treatment for the intended i.e those with wasting diseases such as AIDS etc with a mind to sparing lean muscular weight and Deca has pretty much matched GH in it's effects on sparing muscle. Obviously though GH is a legally obtainable hormone under the right ( albeit unfortunate ) circumstances whereas Deca is an illegal steroid…even though it is a lot cheaper.

There is also the issue that many bodybuilders obtain there GH from patients, as guys on HMO's just get standard GH gits, and are advised to simple discard what they do not use in a week! When the new batch is collected!!!

Anyway, my stance would still be for the OP to not do anything along these lines, as I feel there are certain gaps in nutrition and recovery to be considered and also that there other issues to be contended with in this case.

daveirl

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HammerHeadGym

amazingemmet wrote:

Sorry but without insulin the hgh will only contribute to bone and cartiledge growth and not muscle grow or lipolysis(sp?) I suggest you read up a bit more before offering advice.

Thats true, most of the muscular hypertrophy associated with hgh does come supplementation from insulin, but if you read the op you may notice that muscle growth is only one of five things that Gerry is looking for. The amount of muscle Gerry wants to build should be amply covered by hgh sans igf. So I suggest you read up a little more before offering advice.

daveirl

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HammerHeadGym

Hmmmmmmm.
Perhaps you are right dave, although i felt like the first comment was constructive criticism and the second comment was to put me in my place. Maybe not. Sorry to anyone who took offence.

Millionaire

thanks for all the info folks...

someone showed me this www.jintropin.cn

anyway I think I will leave it for now, and dose on the vits and get more rest. I am eating pretty healthy as is, and now am having whey protein shakes with a bannana or 2 after work out (someone on there advised that) and again in later afternoon btwn lunch and dinner.

I think I read some where that a protein shake, taken with fruit, is sort of a cheapo way of getting some results as those Meal replacement mixes that Body for Life tries to sell. when your suppoed to eat on 6 small meals a day.

personally I find it difficult to eat 6 meals a day, to maybe this protein shaken with 2 bannana, btwn the 3 main healthy meals is a good idea?

also stopped doing Thai boxing on Wed morning, to have a rest and do yoga class instead, and later in week will work in somewhere a quick twice a week full body dumbell work out program...very simple...just major muscel groups, chest arms, backl, legs, shoulders, and do 10 x 3 sets.

Thats basic weight work, but its better than no weight work, and i am not into the finer points of all the different types of super sets and all this the serious weights lads are into.

I just want to tone up a bit, get into gym for 20 - 30 mins twice a week, do this basic work out, and then do me thai boxing as normal.

amazingemmet

HammerHeadGym wrote:

Hmmmmmmm.
Perhaps you are right dave, although i felt like the first comment was constructive criticism and the second comment was to put me in my place. Maybe not. Sorry to anyone who took offence.

Sorry didn't mean it to be a put you in your place sort comment.

The only growth factor that stimulates muscle growth is igf-1 when you dose with hgh, if its not dosed with added insulin it won't be absorbed into the muscle receptors and will cause other places to grow, ie the internal organs, increased density/ width of the bones and the soft cartiledges structures. These types of growth would be undesirable in most cases. igf-1 is also the substances that aids in the mobilisation of fat stores which in turn will be used as fuel iirc.

HammerHeadGym

Hey Emmet,
Valid point but hgh is pesponsible for the growth of all tissue types in the body, muscle included. Hgh is secreted by the body naturally, during extremely heavy exertion (around 90% of MHR and up), and is directly (but not solely) responsable for muscular growth. You see, igf is responsible for muscular hypertrophy, which is the enlarging of existing muscle fibres where as hgh allow the growth of new fibres, a process which is known as hyperplasia (sp?), which in turn can lead to increased hpertrohy with that addition of insulin.

I hope that clears things up

Mickk

Just so you know that site is a fake you should take down the link before anyone gets scammed.

Also yea hgh will not make you bigger like most people think but it will give you the potential to be bigger by increasing the amount of actual muscle fibres you have (hyperplasia) so you are both right.

Btw 375 for a kit is a silly price, thailand is not good for hgh. You dont have much chance of finding british dragon either they are made underground in the uk. British dispensary is legit and made in thailand aswell as body research.

For your needs millionaire shots of vit b12 would be as far as i would go. (100% legal over there without a script)

mloc

also, if your in thailand and find you're lacking in energy before a fight etc try mk-40, the thai stimulant drink. quite strong, works a treat.


however, being honest, if you find you've a general lack of energy or sense of lethargy then it's your diet you need to examine. taking steroids or HGH will not help with this. its merely a distraction that probably seems attractive at the moment as a quick fix solution. think of them as the icing on the cake... things to perhaps try when your already in peak condition, to give you the extra edge. without a foundation of solid diet and nutrition, they're more or less worthless.

HammerHeadGym

mloc wrote:

...without a foundation of solid diet and nutrition, they're more or less worthless.

That's so spot on mloc. Good post.

ta2liam

amazingemmet wrote: »

Sorry but without insulin the hgh will only contribute to bone and cartiledge growth and not muscle grow or lipolysis(sp?) I suggest you read up a bit more before offering advice.

i was looking into taking HGH to speed up recovery of my shoulder i dislocated it about 2 years ago and messed up the joint so i would like to try HGH as a last resort before goin under the knife. would it work?

star.chaser

Millionaire wrote: »

Hi

I was reading about Human Growth Hormone... apparently it offers massive energy, sharp brain, increased performance , cuts fat, grows muscle...and is all natural.

Anyone know anything about it?

its very costly, it's naturally produced in you body when your a child. the stuff you buy is synthetic. a lot of the stuff on the market isn't the real thing and results are contriversial. can also have side effects.

jethrodublin

try nandrolone rather than hgh. your doc won't give you a script for it, and the only one you'll get here is hgh fragment, which is for weight loss. despite what you'll be told!!

ta2liam

jethrodublin wrote: »

try nandrolone rather than hgh. your doc won't give you a script for it, and the only one you'll get here is hgh fragment, which is for weight loss. despite what you'll be told!!

cool thanks lads! will keep ya posted

g'em

No advice on steroid use allowed on the board, thanks.

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