Report on The Galway Open - Long

TheDuck32

Border Fox wrote:

player 1 makes a bet and steals a blind,, then shows an ace ..player 2 asks to see the other card.a rulling is called for ( in any other event u can show one card and muck the other no problem) fintan says to player 2 that he can ask to see the other card and it must b shown face up.

If you want to show your cards show them. This rule is to stop people needling by showing 1 useless card to an opponent.

This rule was brought into pokerevents tournaments by Donal before he left, and i agree with the rule.

But I do agree with you that the events do not run as well without Donal as director and that the current crop of dealers are simple not being trained well enough.
This may be due to a lack of people in the organisation with the ability to train a dealer properly or perhaps there is not enough time being dedicated to training them.

bohsman

Why did Donal leave? Thought he was doing a very good.

TheDuck32

he was sick of listening to bad beat stories

NickyOD

ianmc38 wrote:

In all fairness who gives a toss what was said. What he did was something you expect from a total scumbag.

I agree. I'm in no way defending Tony's actions, but I think you are wrong to say that what was said is not important. What is said to people IS VERY important.

iBorder fox wrote:

as recently as last week he was trying to start on a norwegan guy in the bar in the regency hotel dublin at the irish ept. this guy fintan has no respect for the players that put him where he is today, he is a loose cannon and its about time someone stood up to him.

I was at the regency that night. I don't know if this is the same incident because the guy I saw Fintan start on was definitely not Norwegian.

This was outside the press area. I was talking to a good friend of mine who is a dealer at the EPT and has dealt for PE. William Thorssen had bought a huge table full of drinks and they were pretty much for everyone and anyone to take. Press, Dealers, Players whoever, it didn't matter.

Another chap that I have never met before was there and made a perfectly innocent comment something along the lines of "wow free drink this is great"

Fintan heard this comment and came straight over to the guy and started being about as in-your-face abusive as you can get without touching someone. "My friend bought this drink. Who the **** are you to think it's free, Nicky do you know this guy?" Fintan called the poor man "a ****ing cretin"

Now it takes a lot for me to raise a fist to anyone but if I had to take that sort of abuse I think it would take a lot of will power to hold myself back. I was stone cold sober and had a knot in my stomach watching Fintan abuse this man because I was afraid punches would be thrown and I'd have to jump in to seperate them. They only reason that didn't happen was because Fintan picked on the most passive guy in the room who was afraid for his life.
If Fintan was to give the same sort of abuse to Tony, or 100 other PE regulars I don't see how anyone would be able to restrain themselves. Can you imagine if you have some guy right in you face shouting "you ****ing cretin you". How would you react? Would you be able to smile and walk away. I don't think I could.

pirat1

NickyOD wrote:

I've always thought Tony was a very personable guy. I've been at final tables where he had been boozing and he can be very mouthy but I've never seen him cross the line with anyone. I remember a final table where we played eachother in Sligo. He didn't know me at the time but I was needling him constantly. At the time I never put him down as a violent person. Any time I've met him he's gone out of his way to be very sociable.

I wasn't there. I'm glad I wasn't and I'm totally disgusted by what he did, but I would like to hear more about what lead up to the butting incidident. While I have heard a lot about Tony's reputation I've never witnessed it and I think you would have to push him very far for him to do something like this.

I'm not taking sides but I would like to hear what was said. Also I think this woulnd not have happened with a more experienced TD like Donal who has a more calming and diplomatic influence in situaitons like this.

i am not trying to condone what happened nor am i trying to defend my actions...i am only explaining what happened..there had been an incident earlier where i made a joke to one of the dealers ..she got upset by my joke and left the table ... i apoligised to her .. she accepted my apoligy and i thought that was the end of it
later i had need to call for a ruling at my table
fi,,an gave a rulling...in my opinion the rulling was wrong,,,but i DID accept the rulling as final....i said to him i accept it as final but the rulling is wrong. he told me to shut up that i was making a fool of myself. he went on to call me an idiot fool and a asshole while getting so close to my face that his spits were hitting my face as he verbally abused me.the last straw was when he pushed me and called me a ballina knacker.then i lost the head and did what any good ballina knacker would have done !

careca

Hard to get away from that alright. I reckon if you had given him a box they're wouldnt have been half the furore.

smurph

I have deleted my comments, because I feel that I was not at the event so no need to put fuel in the fire.

Small note, being drunk and playing cards always ends in stupidity!!!!

TheDuck32

Its funny how you can be in a room and witness something and still get it so completely wrong. There I was the whole time thinking it was you i saw and heard shouting and being verbally abusive to both Fintan and Skippy.

WOW, my bad.

TheDuck32

Peter Holden was directing the event on Friday and he was not drinking while running the event, and never does.

truth be told I can't clearly remember any PE TD's drinking during an event before

yopnailbrush

Border Fox wrote:

but how woud the know the rules as the pokerevents rules are totally different to the rules of any other poker tournament. there are many examples of this but i will tell u about one ....
this happened at my table friday night..player 1 makes a bet and steals a blind,, then shows an ace ..player 2 asks to see the other card.a rulling is called for ( in any other event u can show one card and muck the other no problem) fintan says to player 2 that he can ask to see the other card and it must b shown face up..but says fintan this is a very unsporting thing to do.
ok... if this is unsporting and is not a rule in any other event why is it one of the rules in pokerevents games,,,it makes no sense at all...this is just one example of the many crazy pokerevents rules
also....
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Are the rules not available... They are clearly posted on the pokerevents website, if you do not wish to obey them do not play...

rules are there in the interest of all players, fairness and to make the events enjoyable for all... if you dont like them dont play... its your responsibility to ensure you know the rules before entering any tournament

Slating an card clubs / organisations rules is patethic, If there are holes point them out.

I have enjoyed many a night with pokerevents.

fintan, skippy you are doing a great job! keep up the good work. And remember to duck next time

5starpool

IMO Fintan should not be giving rulings at these events as he is not the TD.

yopnailbrush

5starpool wrote:

IMO Fintan should not be giving rulings at these events as he is not the TD.

true

NickyOD

TheDuck32 wrote:

truth be told I can't clearly remember any PE TD's drinking during an event before

Donal often had an occasional drink while running tournaments and not just the weekly events. Festivals too, but he always remained sober and 100% professional.

I would love to hear from and impartial observer their account of what happened.

Also was it Fintan who gave the ruling. Does it not say in the PE rules that the TD has the final say. Mind you, if you check out the event structure on the PE website it still says that Donal is the Director!

jacQues

Tony The Pirat is a sound guy. Yes he may be onorthodox and have a sharp tongue, but he rarely crosses the line. He may have a weird sense of humour but is honoust and would walk through fire for friends.

Peter is a sound guy and will be a very good TD also. Peter is less experienced than Fintan. Given time, he'll be a better TD than Fintan (if that's possible).

I wasn't there and don't know what happened. There is too much I don't know about it to rule anything for myself (and this should apply to anyone who wasn't there), except for the following:

What I would like to say here / publicly is that Tony's (physical) actions are very wrong. Poker is supposed to be a gentleman's game. Next time, Tony (though let's hope that there won't be a next time), don't settle it during the event itself. It doesn't solve anything and gives poker itself (not PokerEvents) a bad name. Sleep a night and if you still feel 'unsettled' vent here or something. By resorting to physical actions you lose by default.

As for PokerEvents. If you think they sux, give your reasons here and simply don't play there anymore.

As for other people. Don't judge Tony because of one bad descision he made. I know well enough to say that it wasn't the alcohol that triggered his actions. I'm sure he'll see his error and not repeat it.

jacQues

yopnailbrush

NickyOD wrote:

Also was it Fintan who gave the ruling. Does it not say in the PE rules that the TD has the final say. Mind you, if you check out the event structure on the PE website it still says that Donal is the Director!

Website clearly states that Peter Holden is the TD for the Galway Open.. Check your facts before posting

Not sure who made the ruling but have I understand it was Pete

TheDuck32

Peter made the ruling in question NOT Fintan

pirat1

peter made thew ruling..then fi..an came to the table and made the same ruling ! again i accepted but dissagreed with it.

NickyOD

yopnailbrush wrote:

Website clearly states that Peter Holden is the TD for the Galway Open.. Check your facts before posting

Not sure who made the ruling but have I understand it was Pete

If you look at the info for any incoming event on the Pokerevents which lists the buy in, structure etc. It clearly states that Donal will be the TD.

yopnailbrush

I still think your wrong mate, i see peter holdens name there.. send on the link

TheDuck32

NickyOD wrote:

If you look at the info for any incoming event on the Pokerevents which lists the buy in, structure etc. It clears states that Donal will be the TD.

Don't know what your looking at Nicky but the structure for the super sats do not have Donal as the director.

He is down as the director for the IPC in January but thats because he will actually be directing it