Dog from the crescent killed

matt-dublin

Well guys,

I heard some pretty bad news there on thursday,
One of our neighbours had a little daschund puppy which got out through the side gate in the crescent and was run over by a speeding car.

I know ppl in the crescent should not have doegs, but this isn't the point, imagine if it was a small child that rand out the gate and was run over!!!

People the issue of bad parking and sppeding cars needs to be seriously addressed before a child gets killed!

Please take diligance in where you park so that you are not obstructing visibility and please slow down

mikedragon32

Perhaps it's time for speed ramps on either side of the spine road?

Luckily I don't have to use it as I'm in the first part of the Wood, but seeing the speed of some of the cars is terrifying when you think about kids playing in the area.

matt-dublin

Sitting on my balcony on saturday night i was shocked at some of the cars going up and down,
Foot to the floor all of the way!
One of the cars had to be doing at least 60 or 70 MPH!

Lynfo

Same thing happened to my brother in law last week, somehow his boxer pup got out and was hit by a car - travelling way too fast on a back road. The driver is now suing my brother in law for damage to his car???

foxy06

Speed ramps are definitely a good idea. My dog got out one day and ran out onto the road and was only just missed by a car speeding in the middle of the day if he had hit my dog he was dead without a doubt. I was just asking people around when it would be a good idea to start letting my five year old out to play with his friends without my supervision but after hearing that it won't be for a long time. Unfortunatly I'm quite close to the spine road.

matt-dublin

and unfortunatly the driver will probably win on the grounds that your brother "didn't control his dog" or something on the lines of that!

what a lovely country we do live in!

MuffinsDa

It's not just the spine road.
I was walking to Superquinn through Gove yeseterday afternoon, there was this guy that had just finished washing his car, got in the car, and reversed extremely fast without any regards for anybody around back into front of his house (from further down)... it was frightening! The celtic-tiger-cub agro in action, I suppose... There were loads of kids playing in that cul-de-sac at the same time...

gstonesmx5

two things here as i see it,
dog being out and not under controle,
cars traveling and not able to stop in time.
i know that wood and court committee have been looked at the traffic situation and are in the process of getting it under controle. people are right about the driving but its not just speed its indecators aswell not being used on roundabouts and junctions.

my thoughts anyway.

Angel

Unfortunately dogs don't seem to grasp the indicator concept. They tend to just run about the place with no regard for the rules of the road. And as for kids, well they have no excuse.

MORE SPEEDING IN CHARLESLAND!!!

matt-dublin

Lets not forget the fact that people don't seem to be able to use the roundabouts at all!!!

I don't know how many times i have seen this but it really infuriates me...
Coming from Greystones people driving in the left lane, come to the charlesland roundabout and go all the way around the roundabout in the left lane to the charlesland entrance.

It drives me bloody mad!

I think somsone should send out a letter to all of charlesland on how roundabouts work!

MuffinsDa

matt-dublin wrote:

Lets not forget the fact that people don't seem to be able to use the roundabouts at all!!!

I don't know how many times i have seen this but it really infuriates me...
Coming from Greystones people driving in the left lane, come to the charlesland roundabout and go all the way around the roundabout in the left lane to the charlesland entrance.

It drives me bloody mad!

I think somsone should send out a letter to all of charlesland on how roundabouts work!

I may be one of the ones that drive you mad so Your pic on roundabout is correct and that's how I would normally use them all the time. But I think this was subject of great debate a while ago due to complication of the immediate exits off the rundabout etc, and I thought the final verdict was that if you are going to SQ or Grove/Park side you should stay in the left lane (coming from greystones) and if you're going to Court/Woods stay on the right lane... Must say this doesn't sound exactly right to me but isn't that what was said?

matt-dublin

I don't know but you would fail your driving test if you were to do that...

The right way to do it is to stay in the right lane up and through the roundabout and change lane when you get off the roundabout.

MuffinsDa

well I haven't failed it so I probably do/did it the right way

I agree that what you are saying is the proper way of doing it! But people seemed to have other ideas... And the other question is, would you get a chance to safely change lane between the two roundabouts -which is very short distance... i.e. would there be enough visibility to see -for example- the cars coming from around the corner. I don't really know!

matt-dublin

Yes there's loads of room, I do it all the time, to go around the outside of the roundabout is absolutly dangerous, cutting across traffic at two points.

Eoin

MuffinsDa wrote:

I thought the final verdict was that if you are going to SQ or Grove/Park side you should stay in the left lane (coming from greystones) and if you're going to Court/Woods stay on the right lane... Must say this doesn't sound exactly right to me but isn't that what was said?

That's 100% correct, and of course indicate right when entering the roundabout if you're taking the 3rd or subsequent exit. But f--k all people seem to indicate exiting a roundabout, let alone entering it.

matt-dublin

Eoin I think that maybe that verdict should be looked at as its in breech of the rules of the road and could eventually cause a crash.

Not only that the person who does it and causes a crash would be charged of dangerous driving, driving without due care and attention and failure to obey the rules of the road, all with possibility of penalty points/loss of license.

Matt

damianmckeever

The way I was thought about those round abouts was if I was taking the first exit off the roundabout I had to be in the left lane. If I was taking the second exit I could be in either the left lane or the right lane. If I was taking the third or going around the roundabout again I had to be in the right lane.

This makes sense to me as someone going into the left lane and taking the third exit is going to block someone from taking their exit if they are in the right handside lane.

Rightly or wrongly I indicate on the right of the roundabout unless I'm taking the first exit which has me indicating left. If I'm taking any other exit I indicate right until the exit then I indicate left.

Is this right?

matt-dublin

see the diagram below

mikedragon32

damianmckeever wrote:

The way I was thought about those round abouts was if I was taking the first exit off the roundabout I had to be in the left lane. If I was taking the second exit I could be in either the left lane or the right lane. If I was taking the third or going around the roundabout again I had to be in the right lane.

This makes sense to me as someone going into the left lane and taking the third exit is going to block someone from taking their exit if they are in the right handside lane.

Rightly or wrongly I indicate on the right of the roundabout unless I'm taking the first exit which has me indicating left. If I'm taking any other exit I indicate right until the exit then I indicate left.

Is this right?

No.

For indicating on a roundabout:

Taking first exit: Indicate left
Taking second exit: Pass first exit and then indicate left (ie. DON'T indicate right).
Taking third or subsequent exit: Indicate right, then before taking your exit indicate left.

Of course if you drive a BMW or a Volvo which doesn't seem to have this equipment as standard, the above shouldn't apply.

Eoin

matt-dublin wrote:

Eoin I think that maybe that verdict should be looked at as its in breech of the rules of the road and could eventually cause a crash.

Not only that the person who does it and causes a crash would be charged of dangerous driving, driving without due care and attention and failure to obey the rules of the road, all with possibility of penalty points/loss of license.

Matt

I don't think that's right Matt; you should stay in the left hand lane if you are going straight through (2nd Exit), and only take the right hand lane for 3rd or subsequent exits. The only time I would take the right hand lane when going straight through is if the 2nd exit has two lanes either way - like the road with the 4 roundabouts between Greystones and the N11.

see this link:
http://www.irishmotoring.ie/car/rulesoftheroad/rules_of_the_road_driving_the_car.php

Relevant image here:
http://www.irishmotoring.ie/cms/uploads/roundabout_new_002.gif

MuffinsDa

eoin_s wrote:

I don't think that's right Matt; you should stay in the left hand lane if you are going straight through (2nd Exit), and only take the right hand lane for 3rd or subsequent exits.

But coming from Greystones our exist is the 3rd, not 2nd! (1: fairways, 2: towards jackie skelly/n11; 3:charlesland)

Eoin

mikedragon32 wrote:

No.

For indicating on a roundabout:

Taking first exit: Indicate left
Taking second exit: Pass first exit and then indicate left (ie. DON'T indicate right).
Taking third or subsequent exit: Indicate right, then before taking your exit indicate left.

Of course if you drive a BMW or a Volvo which doesn't seem to have this equipment as standard, the above shouldn't apply.

Nice sweeping statement there Mike

Especially as this BMW driver seems to be in the minority of people - in any car, let alone BMWs or Volvos - who does indicate correctly.

Eoin

MuffinsDa wrote:

But coming from Greystones our exist is the 3rd, not 2nd! (1: fairways, 2: towards jackie skelly/n11; 3:charlesland)

Sorry - I thought we were talking about the first roundabout in Charlesland - i.e. where Superquinn is the first exit, Grove is the 2nd exit etc.

matt-dublin

I drive a bmw and i indicate properly

MuffinsDa

matt-dublin wrote:

I drive a bmw and i indicate properly

Must be an optional extra ... how much did they charge you for adding indicating equipment to your beamer?!

The Yipper

Grrrrrrrr!
Saw one DICKH*AD in a VW Golf last week. Took off from the roundabout at the bottom of the Spine Road and must have hit 70mph heading up the road before taking the last turn into Charlesland Court.
Might just go out with the camera tonight and take a snap shot of this gimps car.
All of these idiots should be named and shamed.
One of these days a kid WILL walk out in front of a speeding car...hopefully we don't have to wait for this to happen for the Property Managers to get off their arses, introduce a One-Way system AND put in Speed Ramps.
Condolences to the Dog Owner by the Way.
RIP:(

loyatemu

back on topic...

speed ramps on the spine road are definitely a good idea - there should be ramps at each junction (like the ones at the entrance to the estate - ie the type that don't cripple your suspension but do slow you down). Particularly as there are houses on the Wood\Court side that face directly onto the spine road (bad design compared to the other side IMO, but too late to do anything about that now).

oh yeah, and there should be dished pavements on the central green - does any one on the committees know if there will be a snag list for the estate before the developers hand it over?

matt-dublin

MuffinsDa wrote:

Must be an optional extra ... how much did they charge you for adding indicating equipment to your beamer?!

€749 +vat!

@The Yipper, Agreed but the one way system won't solve the onstreet parking issue.
We're looking at a solution in the crescent of a parking permit system where each apt will recieve 1/2 passes for use with their corrosponding block of spaces etc etc.

A few spots will be allocated for visitors and if you don't have a pass or in a visitor spot you'll be clamped.

There's approximitly 70 cars in the crescent and our parking has reached a point were people are just plain parking dangerously!

One guy actually drives his car up onto the grass at the front of his main door to wash his car!!! Seriously Like.

I do think ramps will slow cars down, and god knows i HATE ramps but i think its the only solution, unless we put a speed camera in or something along the likes!

mikedragon32

Sorry Eoin, forgot the smiley.

I drive a Volvo from time to time myself and MuffinsDa can testify to that!

MuffinsDa

matt-dublin wrote:

I do think ramps will slow cars down, and god knows i HATE ramps but i think its the only solution, unless we put a speed camera in or something along the likes!

Actually, how much does a speed camera cost (equipment + running cost)?!
Can we not pay for a couple ourselves?! (for the Guards!)

matt-dublin

Would be an interesting option...
Maybe something that the Overall Committee can look at?
Is Donnacha online?

FYI
Here's how to use a roundabout properly for everyone's information
The diagram i provided above is correct but here is a more indepth description.
http://www.irishmotoring.ie/car/drivingyourcar/roundabouts.php

People should not use the left lane to turn into the charlesland estate

Ice Man

Thaks for setting the score straight on the roundabouts, it's been driving me nuts ever since I moved in that people have no idea how to use the roads in general!

As for the generalisation on the BMW's and Volvo's as a Volvo driver I take exception to this!! Micra's now there is a different story all together!!!

Completely agree on the speed ramps in the area as there are far too many speeding cars about. As for the dogs and kids, can I suggest that tighter control be kept on them, as far as possible!! I understand that will start a chain reaction of abuse, but sometimes the driver is not the problem!

I had a near miss with a cat the other day. I know cats are a law unto themselves, but even when drivers are going slowly and an animal runs out in front it can be very difficult to stop! Thankfully kids are a little slower and therefore easier to stop for! Luckily the cat survived to live another day but I reckon there are a few less lives left in that kitty!! Please take care of kids and animals and also drive slower and more intelligently, then hopefully there will be less need for such posts!

mikedragon32

Ice Man wrote:

As for the dogs and kids, can I suggest that tighter control be kept on them, as far as possible!! I understand that will start a chain reaction of abuse, but sometimes the driver is not the problem!

Totally agree with you. Even in the small greens in each development, there seem to be kids who quite happily run/cycle/rollerblade about without a thought for traffic. I regularly see bikes, scooters and other toys left in the middle of the road. Parents should really educate their children about the dangers on the road. Even a slow moving car could cause serious or fatal injuries to a child.

loyatemu

while I agree parents need to keep an eye on their kids, its inevitable that kids will play on and around the smaller greens. It is a residential area - people should drive slowly and keep their eyes open.

In addition to ramps I would be in favour of a 30km limit throughout the estate - I wouldnt expect the guards to be out with speed guns, but it would send the right message.

Bertie

matt-dublin wrote:

Lets not forget the fact that people don't seem to be able to use the roundabouts at all!!!

I don't know how many times i have seen this but it really infuriates me...
Coming from Greystones people driving in the left lane, come to the charlesland roundabout and go all the way around the roundabout in the left lane to the charlesland entrance.

It drives me bloody mad!

I think somsone should send out a letter to all of charlesland on how roundabouts work!

Agree with ure diagram matt but thats only a four junction roundabout in charlesland you have six junctions where they split for the spine road the outside lanes i.e. left hand lane should be used for all exits from that of super quinn and the next two exits up the spine roadthe insid lane should be used for those coming down the spine roads and turning in to superquinn or coming down and turning left to the sar on the second roundabout. the problem is that with six exit and entry points ther e should b 3 lanes on the roundabout

matt-dublin

thats not correct, the left lane on all roundabouts is for the first two lanes,
after that its the right lane, stops cutting off traffic.

foxy06

So if your taking the third exit off a roundabout that has five roads off it in total ( Say the exit for the court in my case when on the way into Charlesland ) Should I be in the right or left lane? I always stay in the left lane because I was taught you stay in the left lane unless your taking the last turn off the roundabout or making a u turn. If I'm in the right hand lane on the superquinn roundabout coming in from the main road and someone else is coming from superquinn and stays in the left lane I'll be cutting across them won't I?

LMC

OMG - bloody hell - Now I am sooooooooooo confused, so for now I am sticking with the diagram, which is the way I drove around it anyhow! Or until Bertie catches me..............which from reading earlier mails I wld take it he's the right man for the job?!?!?!?:) But i could be wrong there....

Eoin

Check out this diagram:



If you are taking the 1st or 2nd hand exit, use the left hand lane. For the 1st exit, indicate left before entering the roundabout. For the 2nd exit, only indicate left when exiting the roundabout.

If you are taking the 3rd or subsequent exit, use the right hand lane. Indicate right when entering, and left when exiting.

The Yipper

Is this a "Learn to drive" thread, or what!
The dimwit in the Blue Golf with the Galway reg who thinks the Spine Road is Monza, lives in the Crescent.
Any idea who exactly, or what type of car murdered the dog?

matt-dublin

unfortunatly i have no idea,

i must keep an eye out for the galway reg car though

matt-dublin

ps eoin, thats it spot on.

Eoin

matt-dublin wrote:

ps eoin, thats it spot on.

Cool, I think we were talking about different roundabouts previously which would have caused the confusion. Can't believe it's two BMW drivers who are bitching about people not indicating and using roundabouts properly!

mikedragon32

It'll need to be both eyes Matt. He passed me yesterday on the SAR at something approaching Warp Factor 2.

And his indicators don't seem to work either!

mikedragon32

eoin_s wrote:

Cool, I think we were talking about different roundabouts previously which would have caused the confusion. Can't believe it's two BMW drivers who are bitching about people not indicating and using roundabouts properly!

Is there a collective word for BMW drivers?

Eoin

mikedragon32 wrote:

Is there a collective word for BMW drivers?

I can think of several that most people would use, but I have a feeling that they would be censored on boards.

IT Loser

eoin_s wrote:

I can think of several that most people would use, but I have a feeling that they would be censored on boards.

Especially these boards.:mad: :rolleyes:


I know the guy you are talking about...then there is a girl in a white Integra Type R and a fella, a toooootal knob in a lt-green/cement grey Toyota Levin with an exhaust that should be shoved up his ass.

IT Loser

mikedragon32 wrote:

Is there a collective word for BMW drivers?

"Can't Afford A Porsche"

matt-dublin

difference between a bmw driver and a hedgehog...

prick is on the inside of the bmw

@mikedragon...
sure that was me?
i drive fast on the link road but not in the estate.
Plus there's no point in indicating on the first two roundabouts, there's nowhere to go but straight, i always indicate coming into charlesland

Bertie

eoin_s wrote:

Check out this diagram:



If you are taking the 1st or 2nd hand exit, use the left hand lane. For the 1st exit, indicate left before entering the roundabout. For the 2nd exit, only indicate left when exiting the roundabout.

If you are taking the 3rd or subsequent exit, use the right hand lane. Indicate right when entering, and left when exiting.

Yes but what happens when you have six exit entry points on a roundabout.Do you change lane in the middle of the roundabout
LMC WHO SAID I WAS A MAN

Charlie-Bravo

I think Bertie might be referring to the famous Walkinstown roundabout...you wouldn't want to be new to the road challanging the six roads connecting that roundabout. They've made a good effort since of lining that roundabout out.

As for the roundabout leading to Superquinn, the Grove/Park spine exit, the Court/Wood spine exit and the Wood(1) exit: Left lane for Superquinn and the grove/park exits. Right lane for the rest including doing a u-turn to get back out of the development.

Matt, those roundabouts which lead to nowhere, you still gotta indicate coming off them!