so what artists ya'll listenin 2 at the moment????

geoff_nfl

jus intrestin to see what everyone is listenin to!!!!

i jus started listnein to dilated peoples- 20/20 album T.I.- King albums aswel as cypress hill as usual!!!!!

Orizio

20/20 is awful in my opinion.Tone the textspeak down by the way.

Gangstarr-Moment of Truth.
Redman-Whut Thee Album.
Bronze Nazareth-The Great Migration.
Lord Jamar-The 5% Album.
Edan-Primitive Plus.
Nas-It Was Written.
will.i.am-Must B 21.

Makaveli

These type of threads descend into nothing but post count++ affairs. If the pont of this thread is solely to list what you are listening to it will be locked, if you want to write a bit about the album then it can stay.

Ay Cee

Yeah 20/20 was a bit of a let down alright. Not a bad album but nothing stand outish about it.

Last album I listenend to was Blackalicious The Craft. Wasn't mad on it at first but it grows on you. It's very consistant but no Blazing Arrow.

me and the biz

Albums I've been listening to in the last few days, the Clipse 'Hell hath no fury' advance. Sounds good, no classic which its been labeled and billed as the last while though. I'll wait for the full album to be released before that anyway but I can't see it being a classic as it is the Clipse (as much as I like Malice and Pusha T)

Also been listening to Above the Law, 'Livin' like Hustlas'. Very under-rated group, but not quite the new N.W.A that Jerry Heller touted them as.

Gave the leaked 'Doctor's advocate' a few listens, and although I wasn't a huge fan of 'The Documentary' I took it as it is and it sounds good. Really good in the car in fact.

Been going back and listening to Beanie Sigel the last few days, forgot how much I liked him. Same with Cypress hill.

Mac Lethal and Josh Martinez have been played the last while too. Can't recommend them both enough.

phenomenon

Yeah T.I - King is pretty hot at the moment. Love the tracks "frontback" and "why you wanna". This man has the whole southern rap scene resting on his shoulders it seems.

Otherwise im listening to DEAD PREZ. I would encourage everybody to give their records a spin. Some of their songs are just crazy like when they preach to us about how the radio and junk food are polluting our minds!(?)

me and the biz

I liked Dead Prez, but they don't seem to truely know what they're on about. They're kinda ignorant to be honest.

spacecoyote

yeah they do have some great tracks but alot of the time it is a bit like listening to a dumb person trying to sound like they are intelligent

Maccattack

Saying 'Yo' over a drum machine beat does not make someone an 'artist'.

'Craftsmen/women' maybe but theyre not 'artists'

spacecoyote

Maccattack wrote:

Saying 'Yo' over a drum machine beat does not make someone an 'artist'.

'Craftsmen/women' maybe but theyre not 'artists'

any more wonderful words of wisdom to contribute? you've obviously done alot of in depth examination of hip hop music

Orizio

Maccattack wrote:

Saying 'Yo' over a drum machine beat does not make someone an 'artist'.

'Craftsmen/women' maybe but theyre not 'artists'

Your negativity is of absolutely no use to us and is not wanted on this forum.Its quite pathetic actually.

Further trolling will result in a suspension.

yeah they do have some great tracks but alot of the time it is a bit like listening to a dumb person trying to sound like they are intelligent

Yep, although that track based on Animal Farm was quite clever.Which is why I generally find politics in music not particurly impressive and of the preachy elitist 'look I've read a Chomsky book aren't I clever???" variety.

Yeah T.I - King is pretty hot at the moment. Love the tracks "frontback" and "why you wanna". This man has the whole southern rap scene resting on his shoulders it seems.

Lets not ignore the likes of the Cunninlynguists,Big Bun and Big Boi.Luda and Chamillionaire have their moments as well.'Frontback' has a strange quality to it alright.

phenomenon

Well at least Dead Prez have their heart in the right place. Its refreshing to hear a rapper address everyday issues like schools failing kids and the bull**** rap that gets radio play. My only worry is that they could get too deep into that black power **** and marginaliser a lot of fans.

spacecoyote

don't even know if you can call it heart in the wrong place, just excessive "whitey trying to keep me down" sh1t if you ask me. For example, talking about the failings of schools they do this....

Artist: Dead Prez
Album: Let's Get Free
Song: They Schools
Typed by: obi1one@hotmail.com

Why haven't you learned anything?

Man that school **** is a joke
The same people who control the school system control
The prison system, and the whole social system
Ever since slavery, nawsayin?

[Verse 1]
I went to school with some redneck crackers
Right around the time 3rd Bass dropped the cactus album
But I was readin Malcolm
I changed my name in '89 cleaning parts of my brain
Like a baby nine
I took a history class serious
Front row, every day of the week, 3rd period
****in with the teachers had, callin em racist
I tried to show them crackers some light, they couldn't face it
I got my diploma from a school called Rickers
Full of, teenage mothers, and drug dealin niggas
In the hallways, the popo was always present
Searchin through niggas possessions
Lookin for, dope and weapons, get your lessons
That's why my moms kept stressin
I tried to pay attention but they classes wasn't interestin
They seemed to only glorify the Europeans
Claimin Africans were only three-fifths a human being

HOOK:
They schools can't teach us ****
My people need freedom, we tryin to get all we can get
All my high school teachers can suck my dick
Tellin me white man lies straight bull**** (echoes)
They schools aint teachin us, what we need to know to survive
(Say what, say what)
They schools don't educate, all they teach the people is lies

You see dog, you see how quick these mother****ers be to like
Be tellin niggas get a diploma so you can get a job
Knowwhatimsayin but they don't never tell you how the job
Gonna exploit you every time knowwhatimsayin that's why I be like
**** they schools!

[Verse 2]
School is like a 12 step brainwash camp
They make you think if you drop out you aint got a chance
To advance in life, they try to make you pull your pants up
Students fight the teachers and get took away in handcuffs
And if that wasn't enough, then they expel y'all
Your peoples understand it but to them, you a failure
Observation and participation, my favorite teachers
When they beat us in the head with them books, it don't reach us
Whether you breakdance or rock suede addidas
Or be in the bathroom with your clique, smokin reefer
Then you know they math class aint important 'less you addin up cash
In multiples, unemployment aint rewardin
They may as well teach us extortion
You either get paid or locked up, the pricipal is like a warden
In a four year sentence, mad niggas never finish
But that doesn't mean I couldn't be a doctor or a dentist

HOOK(first part of hook twice)

Cuz for real, a mind is a terrible thing to waste
And all y'all high class niggas with y'all nose up
Cuz we droppin this **** on this joint, **** y'all
We gon speak for ourselves
Knowhatimsayin? Cuz see the schools aint teachin us nothin
They aint teachin us nothin but how to be slaves and hardworkers
For white people to build up they ****
Make they businesses successful while it's exploitin us
Knowhatimsayin? And they aint teachin us nothin related to
Solvin our own problems, knowhatimsayin?
Aint teachin us how to get crack out the ghetto
They aint teachin us how to stop the police from murdering us
And brutalizing us, they aint teachin us how to get our rent paid
Knowhatimsayin? They aint teachin our families how to interact
Better with each other, knowhatimsayin? They just teachin us
How to build they **** up, knowhatimsayin? That's why my niggas
Got a problem with this ****, that's why niggas be droppin out that
**** cuz it don't relate, you go to school the ****in police
Searchin you you walkin in your **** like this a military compound
Knowhatimsayin? So school don't even relate to us
Until we have some **** where we control the ****in school system
Where we reflect how we gon solve our own problems
Them niggas aint gon relate to school, **** that just how it is
Knowhatimsayin? And I love education, knowhatimsayin?
But if education aint elevatin me, then you knowhatimsayin it aint
Takin me where I need to go on some bull****, then **** education
Knowhatimsayin? At least they ****, matter of fact my nigga
this whole school system can suck my dick, BEEYOTCH!!

most of it is farcical if you ask me

spacecoyote

oh and recently i've been listening to

J Dilla - Donuts, which is fantastic and should be in everyones collections

PopChop - Cut The F*ck Up, which is a mash up album of commercial stuff (busta, beasties, eminem, etc...) with 80s songs. Its done really well, there actually seems to have been a fair bit of thought put in it & the production is pretty nice, plus theres some cool exerpts from 80s movies to boot

The Amazing Adventures of DJ Yoda - doesn;t quite match up to his usual standards but still has enough good hip hop and humour to merit a listen

me and the biz

spacecoyote wrote:

oh and recently i've been listening to

J Dilla - Donuts, which is fantastic and should be in everyones collections

yes it is, love that album.

[fast show]Today I've mostly been listening to Kids in the hall - school was my hustle[/fast show]. A pretty good album, like it alot.

Orizio

phenomenon wrote:

Well at least Dead Prez have their heart in the right place. Its refreshing to hear a rapper address everyday issues like schools failing kids and the bull**** rap that gets radio play. My only worry is that they could get too deep into that black power **** and marginaliser a lot of fans.

Judging by the fact that their shows tend to be overwhelmingly white I don't see that as a problem.

Trip Hazard

Orizio wrote:

Lets not ignore the likes of the Cunninlynguists,Big Bun and Big Boi.Luda and Chamillionaire have their moments as well.'Frontback' has a strange quality to it alright.

I presume you mean Bun B,

But yeah anyway the whole southern rap scene is pretty far from resting on the shoulders of one man espesially not T.I.

Bun B together with Pimp C made the south what it is, then with the likes of Luda, big boi, Paul Wall and Now camillionaire its hit teh main stream but not to the extent where its pure mainstream garbage. It still maintains the Southern Sound.

Just got Chamillionaire - Sound or revenge the other day and its a quality album.

Orizio

AZ-The Format= Disapointing by AZ's standards. Production is consistently above average while AZ himself is consistently average.Basically AWOL part 2.Couple of trash club tracks, couple of grimier tracks, couple of more soulful efforts and a Premo track-sound familiar?

BTW is the Emile who produces on this album the same as the one that worked with Rhymefest on his debut?

Panacea-Ink Is My Drink= Get this album.This is exactly what Hip-Hop should be-brilliant and distinctive production and a seriously good MC.

Lawless Elements-Soundvision:In Stereo= Consistently good production with two very confident MC's, typical of what the mid-west has been doing of late.

Collie Collins

lovin de new Jurassic 5 at the mo, Feedback. ****in class album

Trip Hazard

Haven't heard the new J5 yet, heard is wasn't the best in comparsion to their other stuff, Dont know whether to get it straight away.

Listening to the Roots alot, only have Phrenology and Illadelf Halflife, <snip>.

Gonna get another Roots album leaning towards The tipping point alot of people here say its their best, any opinions??


Mod Edit - MCD event

Orizio

J5's album was easily one of the dullest I have ever heard.Mind you I always thought they were hideously over rated but whatever...

The Roots wise, get...

Do You Want More??!???
Things Fall Apart
The Game Theory
The Tipping Point

In that order.You've gotten two of their weaker albums imo.Certainly Phrenology is their worst album.

Makaveli

I'm not that big a fan of The Tipping Point at all really. There's just something about it, it feels a bit sterile (for want of a better word).

The Roots Come Alive is a very good live album and well worth a purchase, but if I was going out to buy one of their albums tomorrow it would be Things Fall Apart (basically just switch first and second on Orizio's list there).

Orizio

I suppose one of the best things you can say about The Roots is that they never have,and have never tried to, make the same album twice.They always try to progress with each new album. Same thing can be said for Outkast. When other artists with the same talent have failed to switch there style sufficently every album their career both artistaciallly and commercially tended to stagnate(I'm thinking Nas IWW/I Am/Nostradamus here)

TTP is a fine album imo.Not one track is skippable although it is a little short.DYWM??!??? and TFA are both absolute classics and essential to every rap collection.

spacecoyote

organix is also worth a listen if you like the roots early stuff, has a similar raw sound to DYWM

Collie Collins

Orizio wrote:

J5's album was easily one of the dullest I have ever heard.Mind you I always thought they were hideously over rated but whatever...

prob why ye dont like de new one so...

Ziycon

Currently listening to Obie's latest album "Second round's on me", not to bad its got a few fairly good tracks on it and some very addictive beats!

Beefeater

lupe fiasco's food & liqour is a very good album.heavy rotation right now. despite it being a album showcasing his consciousness, i thought how kick push blew up would have given it more sales. he could be the saviour to hip hop in many respects as he seems a good link between the underground and the mainstream.

also listenin to zion i and grouch album. not as good as true & livin but still certified zion i quality, plus the grouch comes strong.

Makaveli

Lupe Fiasco's album is seriously overrated and for me doesn't stand up to repeat listening. He is by no means the saviour of Hip-Hop, nor will he ever be.

C_Breeze

Im currently listenin to all of Lil Waynes stuff , mainly DaCarter2 and Dedication

Anybody know when DaCarter3 is released? Ive heard its meant to be excellent

Beefeater

Makaveli wrote:

Lupe Fiasco's album is seriously overrated and for me doesn't stand up to repeat listening. He is by no means the saviour of Hip-Hop, nor will he ever be.

ok, i didnt mean saviour that literally. but i think he could and will give the hip Pop listeners something to think about. he has quite a complex rhyming scheme and good concepts, and isnt into the materialistic bullsh*t that most mainstream rap only involves itself in. the album goes from brilliant in some areas to good.i'd give it a 7.5 or 8 out of 10 i say.

Orizio

Lupe Fiasco's album is one of the best released this year.An essential buy.A real lyricist with a sometimes incredible delivery.I say this despite the fact that he picked the two weak tracks as singles.

I went back to listen to AZ's 9 Lives and its no where near as bad as I remember.Listening to Baby J's Fight The Power 2 as well, some excellent tracks on it.Panacea's Ink Is My Drink is one of the best albums released this year, haven't stopped listening to Steel Kites.Gorgeous track.

Tar.Aldarion

There is only one hiphop album I have heard and thought was good. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing.
100% not his own material on it too.

Orizio

Ah the 'I hate Hip-Hop but love DJ Shadow' music critic.;) My favourite walking talking cliche along with the '50 Cent made my son massacre his high school class' mother.

I presume your listening to Entroducing right now?

Tar.Aldarion

it's Endtroducing. :P Well, actually I was just listening to Stem a lot yesterday, must have been 40 times... that's why this thread caught my eye. Apart from that it was all Tool yesterday, as I have an appointment with them today.
Is somebody not entitled to like DJ Shadow and not have heard any other hip-hop that he thinks is good? Tell me something along the lines of what I like, and I'll listen to it. I don't hate genres or artists, just songs.
I only really like that album and thing most of the other stuff isn't that great, apart from the odd song. The new album is terrible...
I have no idea if other people like him and don't like other hip-hop, and if it is a cliche, seeing as I only know one person that likes hip-hop and I introduced them to Mr. Shadow years ago.

spacecoyote

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Is somebody not entitled to like DJ Shadow and not have heard any other hip-hop that he thinks is good?

no definitely not, its either all or nothing. if you don't like all hip-hop you are not allowed to like dj shadow. You are hearby not allowed to listen to endtroducing anymore and must immediatly destroy your copy of the album

Makaveli

Tar in all fairness up until the thread about Hip-Hop on the general music forum a couple of months ago you classed DJ Shadow as dance.

But try RJD2, Blockhead, Fingathing, Aim. They are all similar in that they are instrumental Hip-Hop.

ghostdancer

dj shadow is most certainly not hiphop, Entroducing at least. parts of The Outsider could fall in that category perhaps.

and Orizio, i hear what you're saying.
it reminds me of one of my friends who claims Dj Shadow is the best hiphop artist out there. then i ask him to name some hiphop or rap apart from 50 cent and kanye west, and he doesn't have a ****ing clue.

Makaveli

Um, yes his music is Hip-Hop and Endtroducing is very much an instrumental Hip-Hop album.

Orizio

Saying you like DJ Shadow but then saying you dislike Hip-Hop is about as rational as me saying I hate soccer but watch every Liverpool match.That is to say its not rational in the slightest.

Secondly this thread is about what album you are listening to right now, and if you are not listening to Entroducing of late I don't really see the point of your post.

I would suggest the two UNKLE albums Shadow worked on and the likes of Masive Attack,Four Tet,Prefuse 73,Amon Tobin,Portishead which all draw some influence from Hip-Hop and would be right up your street.RJD2's Deadringer is an absolute must.

Tar.Aldarion

Makaveli wrote:

Tar in all fairness up until the thread about Hip-Hop on the general music forum a couple of months ago you classed DJ Shadow as dance.

Um, yes his music is Hip-Hop and Endtroducing is very much an instrumental Hip-Hop album.

To you it is Hip-Hop, people label things in different ways. I call it Turntablism(Which I put under Dance, I'm sure you can call it 'Hip-Hop' Turntablism, if you want.) because I don't think it fits into traditional Hip-Hop. I think that is why that term Trip-Hop came about.
In the Hip-Hop forum I call it Hip-Hop, in the Dance I would call it Dance, so I can discuss it in both, obviously peope from different fora will have different views on a band/artists genre and if they want it called that, why not? Just like I feel that I can discuss Napalm Death in the metal or punk fora and change the genre I call them to suit the particular forum. They are not really either, unless you coin a term like Trip-Hop which people have, Grindcore.
Anyway this is just an aside, all a genres name is to me really, is a helpful nod in the right direction of where I can buy the CD in the shop.

But try RJD2, Blockhead, Fingathing, Aim. They are all similar in that they are instrumental Hip-Hop.

I would suggest the two UNKLE albums Shadow worked on and the likes of Masive Attack,Four Tet,Prefuse 73,Amon Tobin,Portishead which all draw some influence from Hip-Hop and would be right up your street.RJD2's Deadringer is an absolute must.

Sure! Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try the ones I haven't heard, over half.
I would take it that they would be along the lines of Trip-Hop/Electronic too?
Aside, started making songs with a friend that you would consider Tr/Hip-Hop, I suppose, just with those programs you can get, it's quite a bit of fun.

Saying you like DJ Shadow but then saying you dislike Hip-Hop is about as rational as me saying I hate soccer but watch every Liverpool match.That is to say its not rational in the slightest.

Well it depends on what you call it. Rough analogy. Say you call Gaelic Football 'Dance', and what Aussies play, 'Hip-hop'. Now comes along a new game, Aussie Rules Football. I can quite readily say I don't like their game but that I like Aussie Rules, with it being rational.
Even if you think it is quite similar to Gaelic.

Anyway, I may not have heard Hip-Hop that I think is good(and consider it to be Gaelic, er, I mean, Hip-Hop.), but that does not mean I give a blanket statement yet that I don't like it all, seeing as I would only know a fraction of the artists that Hip-Hop fans would know.

Secondly this thread is about what album you are listening to right now, and if you are not listening to Entroducing of late I don't really see the point of your post.

I already said I was listening to it.
Anyway, the thread was about what Hip-Hop artist are we listening to at the moment. I was listening to DJ Shadow and I saw it on the front page. Most people consider him to be Hip-Hop I thought, I'll post it in there.
Then I see a mod says he will lock it unless I say something about the about the album so I just put down what I think was interesting about it. It's the only album you would consider Hip-Hop that I like, that I have heard, and that it was 100% not original material that he used, first album to do that.

ghostdancer

Makaveli wrote:

Um, yes his music is Hip-Hop and Endtroducing is very much an instrumental Hip-Hop album.

no, i don't accept that whatsoever.

Orizio

Tar-Aldarion,If you weren't saying that you disliked Hip-Hop as a genre as a whole then fair enough,I presumed you were.

deadringer wrote:

no, i don't accept that whatsoever.

You just like disagreeing with people don't you?

Makaveli

You know it's really not the thread for this, but the music isn't Trip-Hop, I could give wiki links and such but we all know that wikipedia isn't exactly the most rock solid source for information.

Tar.Aldarion

I think it is Turntablism(in case you think I call it Trip-hop), and that a lot of people call it 'Trip-Hop' even though he doesn't like it.
I agree wiki is not a solid resource at all, the genres it gives for him are Turntablism, Hip-Hop and Trip-Hop.
At least it let me know I was right about him sampling from a Metallica song.
Why do you agree with people that call it that?
Although, as you said, not the right thread...

Orizio

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

I think it is Turntablism(in case you think I call it Trip-hop), and that a lot of people call it 'Trip-Hop' even though he doesn't like it.
I agree wiki is not a solid resource at all, the genres it gives for him are Turntablism, Hip-Hop and Trip-Hop.
At least it let me know I was right about him sampling from a Metallica song.
Why do you agree with people that call it that?
Although, as you said, not the right thread...

Which Shadow song and from which Metallica track? I'm fairly sure I would have heard that.

Turntabilism is an integral part of Hip-Hop, full stop.

Makaveli

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Why do you agree with people that call it that?

Do you mean disagree? Trip-Hop to me is Portishead, Massive Attack, Tricky etc. Turntablism is a major part of Hip-Hop, it's where it was born. Deciding that music is not Hip-Hop because it's instrumental is something that has always kind of annoyed me (not implying you meant or said this). If anything DJ Shadow is more electronic than trip-hop but I still disagree with that.

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Although, as you said, not the right thread...

I'd cut these posts out and make them a new thread but I can't find a clean place to cut. Mainly because it's all gone off in a tangent based on an assumption by Orizio and then carried on by the rest of us. It's a far more interesting thread now though imo.

Tar.Aldarion

Orizio wrote:

Which Shadow song and from which Metallica track? I'm fairly sure I would have heard that.

The Number Song contains a sample of Orion. Maybe hard to notice.

Turntabilism is an integral part of Hip-Hop, full stop.

Turntablism is in Hip-Hop, of course, but that doesn't mean that it is exclusive to Hip-Hop imo.


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Do you mean disagree?

I do indeed, must proof read in future. (:

Trip-Hop to me is Portishead, Massive Attack, Tricky etc. Turntablism is a major part of Hip-Hop, it's where it was born. Deciding that music is not Hip-Hop because it's instrumental is something that has always kind of annoyed me (not implying you meant or said this).

Sure I wouldn't agree with people that say that either. When these songs are instrumental I decide on what genre I think something fits best into, and I think it is harder to choose...

If anything DJ Shadow is more electronic than trip-hop but I still disagree with that.

Yeah, a lot of people disagree with genre and that is fair enough, I think(Don't a lot of people call DJ Shadow the father of Trip-Hop or something...). People see different elements making up a genre, so classify a song as they think most accurate, alot of the time new genres are just coined when people are having trouble classifying something.

I'd cut these posts out and make them a new thread but I can't find a clean place to cut. Mainly because it's all gone off in a tangent based on an assumption by Orizio and then carried on by the rest of us. It's a far more interesting thread now though imo.

Well the original was just a kind of postcount++/rate the artist thread, it's much more interesting now!

oneofakind32

lupe Fiasco

Trip Hazard

Ok so if this tread stays on Topic it could make a good sticky, maybe, dont know anyway.

After the Chamillionaire Gig i've been downloading his earlier stuff with Paul Wall, some good tracks, decent Chopped and Screwed stuff as well. I came across another Houston Rapper from the Screwed up click Called Z-Ro downloaded a couple of his tracks pretty good stuff, sounds a little like Bun B in places.

Also Getting really into Scarface Lately, legendary stuff, Anyone recommend some of his better albums?

Makaveli

People tend not to read stickies and too many stickies just add to the clutter.

Currently listening to Nas - Hip-Hop Is Dead. I like it a lot. Couple of tracks that don't really do it for me but a solid release. The Will.I.Am tracks are particurlarly good. Black Republican is probably my favourite track though and had Jay-Z been as good on this track as on Kingdom Come it would be a whole different story.

Also listening to Ghostface Killah - Mo' Fish, it's really Theodore Unit - Mo' Fish but I'm not complaining. This is a great album, not quite as good as Fishscale but certainly close. I'm really enjoying this, well worth checking out.

Orizio

Listening to Little Brother, J-Live and Pete Rock's back catalogues, these artists seem nearly always present on my iPod.

Other then that, a lot of old school stuff like EPMD's Strictly Business and BDK's By All Means Necessary and I strongly suggest people pick up Panacea's Ink Is My Drink.Rawkus is back and they have already produced two of the years best albums...:)

Finally, will.i.am's two solo albums are quite good but Lost Change is really overlooked.Tai Arrive is :eek: