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It's not a goddamn JEEP!

  • 03-11-2006 1:15pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭


    Over the time I've been on boards I've notice a lot of people referring to various large 4x4 or off-road vehicles as 'Jeeps'. This is what me and my mates would have called them up until the age of 6. I must say that hearing adults use the name for any generic off-roader sounds both ignorant and lazy. Modern day Jeeps are a particular range of vehicles maunfactured by the Daimler-Chrysler Corporation, the registered owners of the trademark 'Jeep'.

    Land Rover, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Daihatsu, Hyundai, Hummer, Nissan, Ssangyong, Suzuki etc. DO NOT make Jeeps.

    The only other bonafide Jeep is Eugene, from the Popeye cartoons :D
    eugene-jeep.gif


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,690 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    suppose its the same as people buying a samsung 'walkman' or a dyson 'hover'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭nialler


    el tel wrote:
    Over the time I've been on boards I've notice a lot of people referring to various large 4x4 or off-road vehicles as 'Jeeps'. This is what me and my mates would have called them up until the age of 6. I must say that hearing adults use the name for any generic off-roader sounds both ignorant and lazy. Modern day Jeeps are a particular range of vehicles maunfactured by the Daimler-Chrysler Corporation, the registered owners of the trademark 'Jeep'.

    Land Rover, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Daihatsu, Hyundai, Hummer, Nissan, Ssangyong, Suzuki etc. DO NOT make Jeeps.

    The only other bonafide Jeep is Eugene, from the Popeye cartoons :D
    eugene-jeep.gif

    Jeep actually comes from the GPV acronym or General Purpose Vehicle which was invented by the yanks during WWII, so chrysler cunningly used a different variation and named it Jeep which now defines the SUV, like the poster above states Hoover is synonomous with vacuum cleaner, ipod with mp3 players, coke with cola and many other examples.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭subway


    haha, there are hundreds of examples of this everywhere.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭nialler


    micmclo wrote:
    or calling an all mp3 players "ipods"
    or an apple mac a "pc"

    a mac is a PC it's a personal computer (IBM coined the term) but again PC is now Windows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭jayok


    Well the fact that most of these 4x4's are classified as "jeeps" on the Vehicle Licensing Cert probably doesn't help! Our CR-V is classed as a Jeep!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭NiSmO


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    Another one i really really really hate is dizzy little women who refer to their "Mini (bmw) One" as a "Mini Cooper" and then to top it off put stripes on it :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,730 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Must admit I was guilty of this until talking to the sales manager in Appleyard about my new company 'Jeep'.


    Apparently Ballsbridge motors were advertising Mercedes new 'Jeep' last year for the launch of the updated M-Class - until Chrysler got wind of this and made them take it down.

    Tannoy and Jet-Ski would be other common examples.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 699 ✭✭✭aoife2k


    jeez get over it.... so what if people say jeep.... every 'hoover' isn't a hoover and people say ATM machine or AIB bank which is also wrong....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    jayok wrote:
    Well the fact that most of these 4x4's are classified as "jeeps" on the Vehicle Licensing Cert probably doesn't help! Our CR-V is classed as a Jeep!

    Yes this is true, I had a CR-V (for a short while) and was surprised to see Jeep on the cert.

    Better still was the as Gaelige part - Gip :eek:

    Seven Worlds will Collide



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭el tel


    nialler wrote:
    Jeep actually comes from the GPV acronym or General Purpose Vehicle which was invented by the yanks during WWII, .

    This just one of many theories and is somewhat debunked.
    nialler wrote:
    like the poster above states Hoover is synonomous with vacuum cleaner, ipod with mp3 players, coke with cola and many other examples.

    I know all about generic trade marks, generic descriptors and proprietary eponyms but the point that I make is that people using the term 'Jeep' to describe any off-road vehicle sound thick.

    If, for example, I read on boards someone asking "Help, I'm looking for a jeep" I would be inclined to assume that they wanted an actual Jeep; either a Cherokee (if they were a woman) or a Wrangler (if they were homosexual). On the other hand, as it is often possible to deduce from poster's poor spelling, punctuation and language that he is either a bog-man from the boondocks or a thicko townie, I would have to assume that this filthy inbred moron/ imbecilic uncouth urbanite was referring to some muck-wagon such as a Pajero.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭prospect


    From wikipedia:

    Unlike Band-Aid and Xerox, however, the name jeep did not start out as a trademark. The term was first applied to a military vehicle, the Bantam BRC, versions of which were produced by Willys-Overland and Ford Motor Company for the Allies during World War II. The term is also used to refer generically to what are now known as SUVs, whether the vehicle in question bears the Jeep nameplate or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭el tel


    prospect wrote:
    From wikipedia:

    Unlike Band-Aid and Xerox, however, the name jeep did not start out as a trademark. The term was first applied to a military vehicle, the Bantam BRC, versions of which were produced by Willys-Overland and Ford Motor Company for the Allies during World War II. The term is also used to refer generically to what are now known as SUVs, whether the vehicle in question bears the Jeep nameplate or not.

    This is a useful piece. SUV is an eminently superior term to use as it refers wholly generically to the subject matter, as does the term 'off-road vehicle'. Using the term 'jeep' is doubly ambiguous as it is both specific and generic. People should really say what they mean. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭dubstub


    el tel wrote:
    This just one of many theories and is somewhat debunked.



    I know all about generic trade marks, generic descriptors and proprietary eponyms but the point that I make is that people using the term 'Jeep' to describe any off-road vehicle sound thick.

    If, for example, I read on boards someone asking "Help, I'm looking for a jeep" I would be inclined to assume that they wanted an actual Jeep; either a Cherokee (if they were a woman) or a Wrangler (if they were homosexual). On the other hand, as it is often possible to deduce from poster's poor spelling, punctuation and language that he is either a bog-man from the boondocks or a thicko townie, I would have to assume that this filthy inbred moron/ imbecilic uncouth urbanite was referring to some muck-wagon such as a Pajero.


    Calm down dude. I drive an SUV and I'd regularly refer to it as a jeep. I'm neither a bog-man or a thicko townie. As pointed out above, trademarks very often become part of the vernacular. In fact, Google is having a hard time trying to stop its trademark being genericised and becoming a verb or a noun, the reason being that once a trademark becomes part of the language, it is no longer a trademark. This is why SUV's are referred to as jeeps on the vehicle registration form without fear of lawsuits from Chrysler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Nitpicking here ...but by no means is SUV a superior terminology for an off-raod vehicle. Because vehicles usually classified as Sport Utility Vehicles are neither sporty nor utilitarian and definitely not capable of going off-road. (unless you define climbing kerbs as going off road :D )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭el tel


    dubstub wrote:
    Calm down dude. I drive an SUV and I'd regularly refer to it as a jeep. I'm neither a bog-man or a thicko townie. As pointed out above, trademarks very often become part of the vernacular. In fact, Google is having a hard time trying to stop its trademark being genericised and becoming a verb or a noun, the reason being that once a trademark becomes part of the language, it is no longer a trademark. This is why SUV's are referred to as jeeps on the vehicle registration form without fear of lawsuits from Chrysler.

    Odd that, given that Daimler Chrysler have numerous Irish registered trademarks for the word 'Jeep'. I imagine the reason SUVs are are referred to as jeeps on the vehicle registration form is more alone the lines of common ignorance rather than bravery in the face of the Daimler Chrysler Corporation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭dubstub


    el tel wrote:
    Odd that, given that Daimler Chrysler have numerous Irish registered trademarks for the word 'Jeep'. I imagine the reason SUVs are are referred to as jeeps on the vehicle registration form is more alone the lines of common ignorance rather than bravery in the face of the Daimler Chrysler Corporation.

    Sorry for the hyperbole, instead of ceases to be a trademark, I should have said becomes a genericised trademark. From Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark

    Roads that are for off-road use are called Jeep Trails - those that mean that only 4x4's from Daimler Chrysler can drive on them?

    I can be quite pedantic myself but I think you just gotta let some stuff slide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    I hear this a lot too, but it was hardly worth starting a thread over it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    el tel wrote:
    SUV is an eminently superior term

    [puts on pedantic hat] No it's not, it's a term that's abused as much as Jeep. It originated to describe passenger versions of american pick-up trucks that were big and heavy ehough to be classified as light trucks. Why have a passenger vehicle that's technically a truck? Trucks aren't required to meet the same emissions regulations as cars in america. Manufacturers could no longer call them cars, because they were technically trucks, but needed something more sexy than truck, the SUV was born. The first successful (by volume sales) SUV was the ford expedition, based on the F-type pickup truck.[/puts on pedantic hat]


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    NiSmO wrote:
    This post has been deleted.
    you mean the stuff invented by a monkeys mother ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭wex96


    Jesus, people are dying all over the world and all you are worried about is that someone called your suv a jeep, sounds like a touch of the dublin 4's.:o
    el tel wrote:
    Over the time I've been on boards I've notice a lot of people referring to various large 4x4 or off-road vehicles as 'Jeeps'. This is what me and my mates would have called them up until the age of 6. I must say that hearing adults use the name for any generic off-roader sounds both ignorant and lazy. Modern day Jeeps are a particular range of vehicles maunfactured by the Daimler-Chrysler Corporation, the registered owners of the trademark 'Jeep'.

    Land Rover, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Daihatsu, Hyundai, Hummer, Nissan, Ssangyong, Suzuki etc. DO NOT make Jeeps.

    The only other bonafide Jeep is Eugene, from the Popeye cartoons :D
    eugene-jeep.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 stephendm


    Never mind whether people use the term 'Jeep' generically or not....
    ....ok well it bothers me too but I'll tell you what's extra super ANNOYING -

    ...people nowadays quote the fu*k out of Wiki to "prove" their points....eh-hem...yeh! (see this thread for example)

    Wiki data is entered by the general public. There is absolutely nothing to say that this information isn't completly made up! Sure you can find lots that is true (...or is it!?) Please stop quoting it.....you may as well be saying "well my mate says such and such, so that proves I'm right"....quote an official/reliable/genuine source ffs!

    Rant over.....phew! Now to calm down I'm off for a nice offroad drive in my Jeep...I mean Renault Laguna.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭nialler


    el tel wrote:
    This just one of many theories and is somewhat debunked.



    I know all about generic trade marks, generic descriptors and proprietary eponyms but the point that I make is that people using the term 'Jeep' to describe any off-road vehicle sound thick.

    If, for example, I read on boards someone asking "Help, I'm looking for a jeep" I would be inclined to assume that they wanted an actual Jeep; either a Cherokee (if they were a woman) or a Wrangler (if they were homosexual). On the other hand, as it is often possible to deduce from poster's poor spelling, punctuation and language that he is either a bog-man from the boondocks or a thicko townie, I would have to assume that this filthy inbred moron/ imbecilic uncouth urbanite was referring to some muck-wagon such as a Pajero.

    I never stated that gp was actually trademarked by the US government, so Jeep was way open for any car company to get, chrysler beat them all to it.

    So you've identified the two most popular brands of "jeep" one as a woman's car the other as a homosexuals car, which one do you drive?

    or what do you drive? a more "manly" vehicle


    [edit] we can all be very eloquent when required, it's hard to stop being an arsehole


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    nialler wrote:
    I never stated that gp was actually trademarked by the US government, so Jeep was way open for any car company to get, chrysler beat them all to it.

    Chrysler beat nobody. The first civillian jeep was made by a company called willys, the company was bought out a few times before chrysler took them over in the mid to late 1980's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭JamesM


    el tel wrote:
    This just one of many theories and is somewhat debunked.
    I know all about generic trade marks, generic descriptors and proprietary eponyms but the point that I make is that people using the term 'Jeep' to describe any off-road vehicle sound thick.
    If, for example, I read on boards someone asking "Help, I'm looking for a jeep" I would be inclined to assume that they wanted an actual Jeep; either a Cherokee (if they were a woman) or a Wrangler (if they were homosexual). On the other hand, as it is often possible to deduce from poster's poor spelling, punctuation and language that he is either a bog-man from the boondocks or a thicko townie, I would have to assume that this filthy inbred moron/ imbecilic uncouth urbanite was referring to some muck-wagon such as a Pajero.
    You are showing your (immaturely young) age :o
    We were talking about Jeeps 40 years before you were born and long before Chrysler decided to hyjack the name.
    Got to go now and get on with the hoovering - with my Nilfisk.
    Jim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 205 ✭✭Larry David


    wex96 wrote:
    Jesus, people are dying all over the world and all you are worried about is that someone called your suv a jeep, sounds like a touch of the dublin 4's.:o
    You're an idiot. By your logic, you can NEVER, EVER complain about anything again - even being simply tired, because "people are dying all over the world"...

    Wex96: "I'm a bit hungry"
    Everyone else: "STFU complaining - people are dying all over the world!"

    This is a forum - people discuss and complain about things here - it's the main function. If you haven't copped that yet, then why aren't you replying to about 70% of the 'complaining/moaning' topics on Boards.ie stating "people are dying all over the world" - why did you pick JUST this topic?

    With dumb illogical mentality like that, you must be a bogger....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭maidhc


    alias no.9 wrote:
    Chrysler beat nobody. The first civillian jeep was made by a company called willys, the company was bought out a few times before chrysler took them over in the mid to late 1980's.

    + the fact no one really cared or knew what a "Jeep" was until the 1980s or so onwards.

    One general exception to the "Jeep" rule are owners of Land Rovers and Land Cruisers. These have a sufficiently strong heritage/rep to be called by their correct name.

    It is owners of pointless things like CRVs and Kia Sportages that are the biggest Jeep offenders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭zippo22


    el tel wrote:
    Over the time I've been on boards I've notice a lot of people referring to various large 4x4 or off-road vehicles as 'Jeeps'. This is what me and my mates would have called them up until the age of 6. I must say that hearing adults use the name for any generic off-roader sounds both ignorant and lazy............

    Somebody didn't get their Ritalin today. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭zippo22


    el tel wrote:
    This just one of many theories and is somewhat debunked.



    I know all about generic trade marks, generic descriptors and proprietary eponyms but the point that I make is that people using the term 'Jeep' to describe any off-road vehicle sound thick.

    If, for example, I read on boards someone asking "Help, I'm looking for a jeep" I would be inclined to assume that they wanted an actual Jeep; either a Cherokee (if they were a woman) or a Wrangler (if they were homosexual). On the other hand, as it is often possible to deduce from poster's poor spelling, punctuation and language that he is either a bog-man from the boondocks or a thicko townie, I would have to assume that this filthy inbred moron/ imbecilic uncouth urbanite was referring to some muck-wagon such as a Pajero.


    You would be inclined to assume wrong then. If someone says "Help, I'm looking for a jeep" they're most likely looking for a general purpose vehicle. Whereas if they say they're looking for a Jeep then it's obvious that they're looking for a Jeep. (Isn't pedantry an awful contagion altogether ?)

    Ah sure God love ya. It's wrong to be laughin' at ya. I'm sorry. :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭nialler


    alias no.9 wrote:
    Chrysler beat nobody. The first civillian jeep was made by a company called willys, the company was bought out a few times before chrysler took them over in the mid to late 1980's.


    I stand corrected :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,748 ✭✭✭Do-more


    I saw a Hyundai Terracan with the number plate J 8 EEP a few months back, guess you would have freaked altogether at the sight of that! :D:D:D

    invest4deepvalue.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    This thread makes baby jesus cry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭zippo22


    Rabies wrote:
    This thread makes baby jesus cry.

    I'm sorry to hear about Baby Jesus crying but I can't stop laughing. I'm sorry el tel I'd promised myself to stop laughing at you but Do-more just went and started me off again. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭Villaricos


    yaay for someone else bringing up the Jeep as brand name! wasnt brave enough to start it myself but yea a Jeep is a brand same as Toyota, Ford or whatever and I dont care where the name originated from Daimler Chrysler will get annoyed if you use their brand and call SUVs or 4x4s "Jeeps" . Obviously no one can stop people talking but Chyrsler Ireland have gotten radio ads pulled for using "Jeep" and the previous example of ballsbridge motors aswell! so moan about its origins all you like Daimler Chrysler own it now and they aint letting ya use it! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭zippo22


    Villaricos wrote:
    yaay for someone else bringing up the Jeep as brand name! wasnt brave enough to start it myself but yea a Jeep is a brand same as Toyota, Ford or whatever and I dont care where the name originated from Daimler Chrysler will get annoyed if you use their brand and call SUVs or 4x4s "jeeps" . Obviously no one can stop people talking but Chyrsler Ireland have gotten radio ads pulled for using "jeep" and the previous example of ballsbridge motors aswell! so moan about its origins all you like Daimler Chrysler own it now and they aint letting ya use it! :D

    The thing is El Tel does want to stop people talking. Stopping people using the word Jeep commercially is something different altogether. ( By the way Villaricos, you might want to edit your post. Capital letters, spelling, spacing etc., lest you be branded by El Tel as a bogman/thicko townie/filthy inbred moron or an imbecilic uncouth urbanite.)

    And how BRAVE do you need to be to discuss brand names anyway ?

    God help us but you'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh at him.

    :D:D:D:D:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭Villaricos


    ah god no I was taking the piss really. only meant brave in the sense that he'd want to be prepared for the backlash for being so pedantic. If el tel wants to stop people saying jeep then he has a one man battle on his hands Daimler Chyrsler only care when its used commerically. I mean I'll tell people that they dont actually have a Jeep but tis only me messing coz my Dad does sell actual Jeeps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭sk8board


    I would be happy to term them all as 'Jeeps', be it a Pajero, or an X5.

    The problem i do have however, is when people who have a CR-V, an X-Trail, a Teracan, a Rav-4, an X3 or any other of their ilk, and say "Well, I drive an SUV". No you don't! They are just pretend-SUV's! Or to use a phrase I heard a few months back -> ALDI-SUV's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭zippo22


    Villaricos wrote:
    ah god no I was taking the piss really. only meant brave in the sense that he'd want to be prepared for the backlash for being so pedantic. If el tel wants to stop people saying jeep then he has a one man battle on his hands Daimler Chyrsler only care when its used commerically. I mean I'll tell people that they dont actually have a Jeep but tis only me messing coz my Dad does sell actual Jeeps.

    Lol. I'm just taking the piss too Villaaricos. ;) Just before I go and do my Nilfisking (Sunday's the only chance I get.) you have me wondering now if it's legal to say Jeeps. Should it not be like sheep ? One sheep, two sheep etc. . I don't want to embarrass myself if I'm ever in El Tel's neck of the woods and I let slip the word Jeeps instead of Jeep. I mean NOBODY wants to be thought of as a filthy inbred moron. I think to be on the safe side I'll just stay here on the bog with my own kind. So long folks.

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    sk8board wrote:
    The problem i do have however, is when people who have a CR-V, an X-Trail, a Teracan, a Rav-4, an X3 or any other of their ilk, and say "Well, I drive an SUV". No you don't! They are just pretend-SUV's! Or to use a phrase I heard a few months back -> ALDI-SUV's.
    Yeah, I hate this too - I've seen dealer ads in papers calling big SUVs "jeeps", and crappy soft-roaders "SUVs"!

    This calling everything a "jeep" thing is very Hiberno-English from what I know - I lived in England for a lot of my life, and the word was not used in the same way - "Jeep" over there would usually only refer to the Chrysler brand, or in some cases vehicles very similar to the Willy's Jeep. Everything else would be a 4x4 or off-roader or whatever.

    I myself would prefer to see "jeep" used for small enough vehicles that actually have a chance of being able to go off road, like a Suzuki Jimny, the old-style Land Cruiser and the Daihatsu Fourtrack. I'm not saying SUVs like Pajeros and whatever couldn't go off road, it's just most of them are never used for such purposes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭maidhc


    I myself would prefer to see "jeep" used for small enough vehicles that actually have a chance of being able to go off road, like a Suzuki Jimny, the old-style Land Cruiser and the Daihatsu Fourtrack. I'm not saying SUVs like Pajeros and whatever couldn't go off road, it's just most of them are never used for such purposes.

    The Pajero is actually a decent off roader, and I'd say most of them are used as workhorses! I'd take one to a jungle before a Jimny anyway!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,544 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    What about Renault calling the 3 door Megane a Coupe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    colm_mcm wrote:
    What about Renault calling the 3 door Megane a Coupe?


    Do merc not do something similar with teh new a class?

    Anyway the megane coupe is as coupe as the hyundai coupe is coupe. :) I'm going to rejig that in a bit to get the word soupe in there a bit more.

    It's not really like they took the saloon megane, blocked up the back doors and added a big boot. It does look like a coupe. ( as much as a lot of others anyway)

    On the jeep issue, how is it any different to people calling a non sony branded portable cassette/radio/cd player a walkman or discman. I mean theres a generation of people now calling the 8cm dvd discs for camcorders "minidiscs"


    Was it not toyota that called the hatchback corolla a "liftback"?:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,544 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Stekelly wrote:
    Anyway the megane coupe is as coupe as the hyundai coupe is coupe.
    Renault_Megane_1_4_16v_3dr_Acces_Sl_98pk_3_Drs__377470.jpg It's a 3 door hatchback. FIat were calling the Stilo 3 door a Coupe for a while too

    Stekelly wrote:
    Was it not toyota that called the hatchback corolla a "liftback"?:)
    Toyota have both hatchbacks and liftbacks. A liftback is generally longer than a regular hatchback.

    liftbacksjz2.jpg
    (my little tribute to liftbacks!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    colm_mcm wrote:
    Renault_Megane_1_4_16v_3dr_Acces_Sl_98pk_3_Drs__377470.jpg It's a 3 door hatchback. FIat were calling the Stilo 3 door a Coupe for a while too


    TBH I assumed you meant the original megane coupe.

    Do citroen not call the c3 a coupe aswell? suppose, just like anything, the shape of a coupe can change a bit. Theres no reason why a coupe cant be boxey at the back, just because it hasnt been in the past.

    The fact that toyota call a long hatchback, a liftback, is the same idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,544 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    In fairness, coining a term for a long hatchback is different to using a widely accepted existing term to describe something different
    Wikipedia wrote:
    A coupé (from past-tense conjugations of the French verb to cut) or coupe is a car body style with a close-coupled interior offering either two seats or 2+2 seating (space for two passengers up front and for two occasional passengers in the rear). Coupés generally, but not necessarily, have two doors, although automobile makers have offered four-door coupés and three- and five-door hatchback coupés, as well.

    The SAE distinguishes a coupé from a sedan primarily by interior volume; SAE standard J1100 defines a coupé as a fixed-roof automobile with less than 33 ft³ (0.93 m³, 934 L) of rear interior volume. A car with a greater interior volume is technically a two-door sedan, not a coupé, even if it has only two doors. Some car manufacturers may nonetheless choose to use the word coupé to describe such a model, e.g., the Cadillac Coupe de Ville.

    The term however has lately become more of a marketing term for automotive manufacturers, calling any two doors (or three door) a coupé. This is mostly due to the fact that coupés in general are seen as more sporty than sedan, hence a coupé would be percieved as sportier than a 2-door sedan. Lately, more and more four door cars are being marketed as coupés, notably the Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class, which, while technically a sedan, is marketed as a 4-door coupé. Other companies are set to follow Mercedes' example, such as Audi with it's rumoured 4-door coupé variant of the upcoming A5

    I always think of COupes as 2 door saloons!

    So does that mean that a BMW Compact can be referred to correctly as a coupe?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Stekelly wrote:
    Was it not toyota that called the hatchback corolla a "liftback"?:)

    For a while Toyota had both liftback and hatchback models of the corolla. The liftback had a boot at about a 30/40deg angle, and the hatch a much steeper tailgate.

    E.g. the AE80 liftback is at the bottom right of colms pic, while the hatch is here:
    750px-Toyota_Corolla_AE82_Sweden.JPG


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,544 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Incidentally, the only "Liftback" still sold here is the Avensis


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 192 ✭✭LikeOhMyGawd!


    zippo22 wrote:
    The thing is El Tel does want to stop people talking. Stopping people using the word Jeep commercially is something different altogether. ( By the way Villaricos, you might want to edit your post. Capital letters, spelling, spacing etc., lest you be branded by El Tel as a bogman/thicko townie/filthy inbred moron or an imbecilic uncouth urbanite.)

    And how BRAVE do you need to be to discuss brand names anyway ?

    God help us but you'd need to have a heart of stone not to laugh at him.

    :D:D:D:D:D


    Don't you think you've overreacted to what is obviously a tongue-in-cheek thread? There really is no need to have a complex about a leg-pull. After all, don't you realise there are people dying in this world:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    JEEP is a trade name, Jeep is not- to get even more pedantic. And even in the form I've written it if I advertised something as such it would not be a breach of TM because a TM incorporates the style of such as explained to me by Brian Crowley MEP.

    Which is why MTV took a case against Fianna Fáil for "Pimp my Party" published in the same font style and not TodayFM for "Pimp my Radio" in some regular font

    So to be pedantic JEEP is one of many Jeeps which I think you'll find is the legal postion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭Villaricos


    ninty9er wrote:
    JEEP is a trade name, Jeep is not- to get even more pedantic. And even in the form I've written it if I advertised something as such it would not be a breach of TM because a TM incorporates the style of such as explained to me by Brian Crowley MEP.

    So to be pedantic JEEP is one of many Jeeps which I think you'll find is the legal postion

    Well if we're still being pedantic about it "Jeep" with a capital J IS a trademark, it is a registered trademark by Daimler Chrysler. so I'll think you'll find the legal position is that Jeep is a product, a brand and therefore not one of many but the only one. Jeep is only a name of a product, one name that a company has called their particular 4x4 vehicle.


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