Age of consent in Ireland

Andy_2006

What is the age of consent in Ireland? is it illegal for a 17 year old to have sex with a 14 or 15 year old girl in Ireland?

chamlis

I think so.
If you're 16 I think it's ok.
Maaaaybe 17.

What age is Emma Watson these days.......?
/me whistles ¬_¬

azezil

17 is the legal age for premarital sex, but two 16yr olds can marry and have sex.

Adam

That sounds worryingly specific...

Dun

I don't think it makes a bit of difference what age it is in this country, it's just as bad as the UK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108302.stm

and probably worse.

Adam

Dun wrote:

I don't think it makes a bit of difference what age it is in this country, it's just as bad as the UK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108302.stm

and probably worse.

That link proves nothing about us.

EDIT: Apart from binge drinking, but that's nothing new! :rolleyes:

mountainyman

Yes it is illegal.


MM

Andy_2006

ok, because i know a girl who was 15 at the time and used by some loser who i think was 17 or 18, then treated like **** and i'm wondering if she can do something about it, if you know what i mean

mountainyman

Andy_2006 wrote:

ok, because i know a girl who was 15 at the time and used by some loser who i think was 17 or 18, then treated like **** and i'm wondering if she can do something about it, if you know what i mean

Yes she can go to the police, report the incident and she should be treated sympathetically.

I would advise her to do that. If you post in the legal forum you may get advice on how to proceed.

MM

Karoma

"It's not like it was in our day", suggests a bunch of reasonably bright, middle-class, middle-aged people in a closed discussion.




The Legal Discussion forum is not for free legal advice. One could pose a hypothetical question and get a good answer though.

azezil

Karoma I love you so much that it makes me hurt sometimes when I pee... *sniffles*

Andy_2006

ok cool thanks, nice to know. i wasn't sure where to post it, i'll try there.

Rb

Andy_2006 wrote:

ok, because i know a girl who was 15 at the time and used by some loser who i think was 17 or 18, then treated like **** and i'm wondering if she can do something about it, if you know what i mean

So wait, she consented to having sex with him, afterwards he treated her badly so now she wants to use the law to get back at him?Tramp.
But yes, it is illegal.

Dun

Mirror wrote:

That link proves nothing about us.

EDIT: Apart from binge drinking, but that's nothing new! :rolleyes:

I never said it did prove anything. But I fully believe that it's exactly the same here. I mean what's the difference between the youth culture of today in Ireland and that of the UK? Supporting a different national soccer team?

Wishbone Ash

azezil wrote:

two 16yr olds can marry and have sex.

I think that changed with the Family Law Act 1995

31.—(1) ( a ) (i) A marriage solemnised, after the commencement of this section, between persons either of whom is under the age of 18 years shall not be valid in law.

mountainyman

rb_ie wrote:

So wait, she consented to having sex with him, afterwards he treated her badly so now she wants to use the law to get back at him?Tramp.
But yes, it is illegal.

She isn't a tramp she has been wronged, she should use the full rigours of the law, to put this scumbag in prison where he belongs.

MM

Andy_2006

rb_ie wrote:

So wait, she consented to having sex with him, afterwards he treated her badly so now she wants to use the law to get back at him?Tramp.
But yes, it is illegal.

yes, she was pretty stupid let's be honest, but he basically used her, then after a week of sex saying it wasn't going to be anything more than sex. She's German, she was having a really bad time with her family splitting and she couldn't even speak english that well, was a bad time for her, stupid thing for her to do but some reasons why, but he should know better i reckon

Miss Fluff

Andy_2006 wrote:

ok, because i know a girl who was 15 at the time and used by some loser who i think was 17 or 18, then treated like **** and i'm wondering if she can do something about it, if you know what i mean

So you are saying that your pal had consensual sexual intercourse with this chap and because he treated her badly she is now going to have him up for statutory rape as a way of getting back at him?

Mirror

Mirror wrote:

That sounds worryingly specific...

Yeah. It is a bit worrying ...

I wonder if anyone has ever approached somebodies parents and said,

"So yeah, I was ... er ... wondering if .. er .. I could ... uhm ... make nasty with your daughter!"

Miss Fluff

Andy_2006 wrote:

She's German, she was having a really bad time with her family splitting and she couldn't even speak english that well,

I would have thought "no" is universally recognized tbh.

Andy_2006

Miss Fluff wrote:

So you are saying that your pal had consensual sexual intercourse with this chap and because he treated her badly she is now going to have him up for statutory rape as a way of getting back at him?

well, it's her choice, but it's a cruel world eh. still, don't think anyone would say underage sex is right eh?

Adam

Dun wrote:

I never said it did prove anything. But I fully believe that it's exactly the same here. I mean what's the difference between the youth culture of today in Ireland and that of the UK? Supporting a different national soccer team?

I dont think it is anywhere near the extremes of that of Britain. Having teenage brothers and sisters, and many friends with brothers and sisters of that age, it is my experience that the 13-15 year olds in this country, while no angels, are by no means as "advanced" in their mental state as that of what is reported in Britain. Bebo (though I hate to bring it into the discussion) is a perfect example of such. It's all talk and no action.

biko

Andy_2006 wrote:

yes, she was pretty stupid let's be honest, but he basically used her, then after a week of sex saying it wasn't going to be anything more than sex.

Unfortunately it's not the first or last time girls put out for all the wrong reasons. Hey, that's how teenage boys gets sex in the first place.

Andy_2006

Andy_2006 wrote:

well, it's her choice, but it's a cruel world eh. still, don't think anyone would say underage sex is right eh?

I don't see how underage sex is necessarily wrong. Given the right circumstances, of course.

Before anyone comes back and says, "would you let your children do it?" I would say that as long as they were smart about it, knew all the facts and used protection then thats all that matters.

Andy_2006

biko wrote:

Unfortunately it's not the first or last time girls put out for all the wrong reasons. Hey, that's how teenage boys gets sex in the first place.

sometimes eh, not always

Adam

mountainyman wrote:

She isn't a tramp she has been wronged, she should use the full rigours of the law, to put this scumbag in prison where he belongs.

MM

Bullshit.

The guy is obviously not an upstanding member of our community, in fact he's a príck. But she had concensual intercourse with him and has no rights in the eyes of the law. It's a lot easier to say no than you seem to think.

Had he raped her, sure, bang him up. But it's people like you that want to bend the law based on circumstance that cause problems.

Andy_2006

people who've done something wrong to me in the past, it was all legal, i'd love to be in her position to be able to have the option to get the police on someone who was a **** to me

Adam

Deleted User wrote:

I don't see how underage sex is necessarily wrong. Given the right circumstances, of course.

Before anyone comes back and says, "would you let your children do it?" I would say that as long as they were smart about it, knew all the facts and used protection then thats all that matters.

Correct.

Underage sex in my opinion is perfectly fine, assuming both persons are responsible, understanding of each others standing on the matter, and respectful of one another. I was underage, as was my girlfriend at the time we both lost our virginity, and she's not hunting me down to bang me up now.

However in Andy's situation, clearly the couple did not see eye to eye on it, and he was not respectful or her. Therefore it should not have happened. But that does not mean he should be locked for it. It's her own fault for making a bad choice, she obviously did not know him well enough to have made such a decision.

Adam

Andy_2006 wrote:

people who've done something wrong to me in the past, it was all legal, i'd love to be in her position to be able to have the option to get the police on someone who was a **** to me

Did you first say to them "Yeah sure, go ahead, I trust you!"? :rolleyes:

Andy_2006

Mirror wrote:

Bullshit.

The guy is obviously not an upstanding member of our community, in fact he's a príck. But she had concensual intercourse with him and has no rights in the eyes of the law. It's a lot easier to say no than you seem to think.

Had he raped her, sure, bang him up. But it's people like you that want to bend the law based on circumstance that cause problems.

has no rights in the eyes of the law? so why did many people say that she does huh, who's right?

Rb

Andy_2006 wrote:

yes, she was pretty stupid let's be honest, but he basically used her, then after a week of sex saying it wasn't going to be anything more than sex.

So, after a week of consenting to sex (although,she was not of legal age to consent), she realises thats all its going to be and stops it. Now, because of that legal technicality she wants to use the law to get back at him?To me, she seems a lot more than stupid and shes most certainly a little whore.

Mirror wrote:

But she had concensual intercourse with him and has no rights in the eyes of the law

Unfortunately, under the eyes of the law she wasn't of legal age to consent to sex, making it statutory rape.

rb_ie

rb_ie wrote:

So, after a week of consenting to sex (although,she was not of legal age to consent), she realises thats all its going to be and stops it. Now, because of that legal technicality she wants to use the law to get back at him?To me, she seems a lot more than stupid and shes most certainly a little whore.


Unfortunately, under the eyes of the law she wasn't of legal age to consent to sex, making it statutory rape.

I hope to god I don't read in the newspaper that this lad has been sent to jail for being a scumbag.

If it were a jailable offense, then the majority of this country would be locked up right now.

Andy_2006

rb_ie wrote:

So, after a week of consenting to sex (although,she was not of legal age to consent), she realises thats all its going to be and stops it. Now, because of that legal technicality she wants to use the law to get back at him?To me, she seems a lot more than stupid and shes most certainly a little whore.


Unfortunately, under the eyes of the law she wasn't of legal age to consent to sex, making it statutory rape.

aye true enough, i'm not saying she wasn't stupid eh, she was, and i'm still trying to work her out, she's my girlfriend now, so probably of course this influences my views i'm not denying it

Andy_2006

Andy_2006 wrote:

aye true enough, i'm not saying she wasn't stupid eh, she was, and i'm still trying to work her out, she's my girlfriend now, so probably of course this influences my views i'm not denying it

So stop thinking like a boyfriend for one second and tell us.. do you really think he should be locked up for it?

Andy_2006

Deleted User wrote:

I hope to god I don't read in the newspaper that this lad has been sent to jail for being a scumbag.

If it were a jailable offense, then the majority of this country would be locked up right now.

the crucial difference is he was 17 or 18, she 15, not really talking about two 16 year olds having sex or whatever

Andy_2006

Deleted User wrote:

So stop thinking like a boyfriend for one second and tell us.. do you really think he should be locked up for it?

yes because he's a scumbag, you don't know all that happened after ya see, things he said and stuff

Rb

Deleted User wrote:

I hope to god I don't read in the newspaper that this lad has been sent to jail for being a scumbag.

If it were a jailable offense, then the majority of this country would be locked up right now.

You'd be surprised, I've heard of quite a few cases where a boyfriend has been over the age of consent, while his girlfriend has been under it. They had sex, the parents of the girlfriend either found out or caught them in the act and forceably had him done for statutory rape.

Andy_2006 wrote:

the crucial difference is he was 17 or 18, she 15, not really talking about two 16 year olds having sex or whatever

Yes, there was an age difference involved but it was still a couple having sex. She obviously gave him permission to do the dirty deed (especially considering you said it went on for a week) and now shes just pissed off that she was used or it didn't go how she wanted it to. She wasn't raped, but unfortunately in the eyes of the law she was (statutory).
If she takes action over this, shes an even bigger scumbag than the guy who used her.

Andy_2006 wrote:

yes because he's a scumbag, you don't know all that happened after ya see, things he said and stuff

Oh so he was a meanie, so he should definately be charged eh? What he said or how he treated her after makes no difference, again, if she takes action about this because shes an angry little whore for being used, shes as much, if not more, of a scumbag as he was.

Her mentality on the issue disgusts me.
Oh and just out of interest, what age are you?

Oral Slang

I don't think there's anything wrong with a 17 year old having sex with 15 year old really as the age gap is not too much especially considering girls are more mature than guys. That said I do think 15 is too young really, its becoming more & more the norm, especially with girl looking older & older.

What I hope this law catches is all the scum that are much older than the girls & are really taking advantage.

Andy_2006 - I think if that girl reports that guy, then its a disgrace. It was obviously consentual sex so for her to take advantage of a loophole would be dreadful. Yeah she got used & yer man is obviously scum, but that's the nature of some people I'm afraid. She'll know better in the future.

Andy_2006

Andy_2006 wrote:

yes because he's a scumbag, you don't know all that happened after ya see, things he said and stuff

So you've never wronged anybody before?

Doesn't matter what it is, people shouldn't be jailed for just being scumbags.

I was with a girl. I cheated. I was a scumbag. Should I be jailed for that?

Andy_2006

rb_ie wrote:

You'd be surprised, I've heard of quite a few cases where a boyfriend has been over the age of consent, while his girlfriend has been under it. They had sex, the parents of the girlfriend either found out or caught them in the act and forceably had him done for statutory rape.



Yes, there was an age difference involved but it was still a couple having sex. She obviously gave him permission to do the dirty deed (especially considering you said it went on for a week) and now shes just pissed off that she was used or it didn't go how she wanted it to. She wasn't raped, but unfortunately in the eyes of the law she was (statutory).
If she takes action over this, shes an even bigger scumbag than the guy who used her.

Oh so he was a meanie, so he should definately be charged eh? What he said or how he treated her after makes no difference, again, if she takes action about this because shes an angry little whore for being used, shes as much, if not more, of a scumbag as he was.

Her mentality on the issue disgusts me.
Oh and just out of interest, what age are you?

I disagree, I know the situation and circumstances better, she has every right to in this case

Rb

Andy_2006 wrote:

I disagree, I know the situation and circumstances better, she has every right to in this case

Ok, explain her reasons so.

Andy_2006

Deleted User wrote:

So you've never wronged anybody before?

Doesn't matter what it is, people shouldn't be jailed for just being scumbags.

I was with a girl. I cheated. I was a scumbag. Should I be jailed for that?

no that's perfectly fine

Andy_2006

Andy_2006 wrote:

no that's perfectly fine

Then why should he be jailed?

when you boil it all down, this hasn't got anything to do with statutory rape. It seems to me that its just some stupid way she can get revenge on someone who was a scumbag to her.

It should probably be known that I believe in Karma and universal retribution more than the legal system in these cases. What comes around goes around and whatnot.

Rb

Deleted User wrote:

Then why should he be jailed?

when you boil it all down, this hasn't got anything to do with statutory rape. It seems to me that its just some stupid way she can get revenge on someone who was a scumbag to her.

I think thats how I and any other logically thinking person who are following/reading this thread and his posts view it also.
From what I can see, the only way he is viewing the situation is from that of the boyfriends perspective.

Andy_2006

Deleted User wrote:

Then why should he be jailed?

when you boil it all down, this hasn't got anything to do with statutory rape. It seems to me that its just some stupid way she can get revenge on someone who was a scumbag to her.

It should probably be known that I believe in Karma and universal retribution more than the legal system in these cases. What comes around goes around and whatnot.

well it was illegal and she can do him for it, I feel it was bad enough to warrant such reaction. I'm sorry I guess I must be a bit cruel or something eh

Answer a few questions will you:

Did she consent to having sex with him?
Did they have sex after this occasion?
Did she do anything to warrant him being a scumbag?

Andy_2006

can't help how I feel about it, and anyway it's her choice, it's interesting seeing such passionate views against this action hmmm, why's that i wonder

shane86

mountainyman wrote:

She isn't a tramp she has been wronged, she should use the full rigours of the law, to put this scumbag in prison where he belongs.

MM

We should use the full rigours of the Mental Health Act to have you sectioned in a home, where you belong.

Good god, teenage boy sweet talks a girl into the sack who, from what you said, is at most maybe 18 months younger, then treats her like a complete bastid.

*impression of that twat from Extras*

Playyyaaaaahhhhhh


Andy if you care so much, dont be a wuss and just beat him up.

Andy_2006

Deleted User wrote:

Answer a few questions will you: no problem

Did she consent to having sex with him? yes
Did they have sex after this occasion? yes
Did she do anything to warrant him being a scumbag?

no

I guess it might have something to do with all these bebo threads that have popped up recently that have somewhat boiled our blood up I suppose you could say.

Andy_2006

shane86 wrote:

We should use the full rigours of the Mental Health Act to have you sectioned in a home, where you belong.

Good god, teenage boy sweet talks a girl into the sack who, from what you said, is at most maybe 18 months younger, then treats her like a complete bastid.

*impression of that twat from Extras*

Playyyaaaaahhhhhh


Andy if you care so much, dont be a wuss and just beat him up.

Now, this is definitely another option!