Am I the only one not overly impressed with the Wii?

super_furry

I know this is probably tantamount to heresy around here but it all seems a bit gimmicky to me. Aside from Zelda (which I will be getting on the Gamecube) there is nothing at all on the release schedule that I would even consider buying a console for. Nintendo are pinning their hopes solely on a control system which is at the very best untested and while I expect the Nintendo games to be good I'm still doubtful as to what this party publishers will offer aside from token nods towards the control system. The worry I have is that it will end up like the Gamecube and N64 - a small scattering of great Nintendo games with huge gaps between their releases and generic third party multi-platform toss watered down for the Wii.

RE*AC*TOR

That's ok. Its hardly heresy. If you don't dig it, don't buy it. Take your time, see how it goes first.

Could be problematic getting one for a while anyway.

Darnell13

I had little doubts a while ago, but i just checked out some of the footage on ign/youtube to get me excited again.

If that don't work, i would just remind myself of the faith i have in Nintendo themselves as makers of great games, and how good it must be in order for them to base their whole next gen stategy around it.

It's hardly heresy, though. There's no actual reviews or anything to vouch for it's quality.

I've got a good feeling about it, though.

neacy69

i havent paid much attention until now but since viewing the review footage this morning i think it looks pretty good and has a fairly good market position with the PS3 delayed til the new year and the Xbox360 being out almost a year
i think its going to do very well especially for xmas

Vegeta

I am a natural doubter, until i play a game or two on it i will not buy it.

Vyse

Don't really have much of an interest in it myself. It will be interesting to see how it fairs (I hope it does well). The control system is refreshing but I can't help but think that it's a novelty that'll wear off very quickly. I can't imagine myself sitting in front of the screen for hours shaking the controller all over the place (that's just me though).

There is also the risk of people viewing it as a current gen console with a new controller.

super_furry

Vyse wrote:

There is also the risk of people viewing it as a current gen console with a new controller.

That's pretty much how I see it. Aside from the control system there's nothing new here and the fact that its only AAA launch title will also be out on the Gamecube seems to reinforce that.

Vegeta

super_furry wrote:

That's pretty much how I see it. Aside from the control system there's nothing new here and the fact that its only AAA launch title will also be out on the Gamecube seems to reinforce that.

Yeah but that's not a bad thing in my opinion. I have a 360 and to be honest the power doesn't give me wood everytime i play or anything.

If people took the efforts they put into making a game look better and put them in gameplay, storyline and innovation i think we'd all be happier gamers.

Who cares if the people's sweat looks real (ok some people do) if the gameplay is sh1te.

Look at guitar hero, simple idea but huge huge fun to play.

As i said though i will not rush out and buy the thing, I will wait and see if it is worth buying

RE*AC*TOR

Wii = gamecube power x2 (approx) + new control system + wireless internet + virtual console + ability to use SD memory cards + backwards compatibility + a game development mindset already geared towards innovation thanks to the DS.

The gamecube, while being a commercial failure, was at times a great console. Unlike the gamecube, the Wii seems to have a much bigger level of support from third party developers, which was the gamecube's biggest downfall.

If you view next gen as the next step in graphics then the Wii isn't next gen. Then again neither is the DS. The PSP is really the only next gen handheld.

If you view next gen as new ways to play games, new types of games etc then the DS and the Wii are the only next gen consoles (with brownie points to xbox for its excellent internet play integration).

Vegeta

have to agree with reactor here.

I pray the Wii follows the DS's foot steps

Retr0gamer

The Gamecube wasn't exactly a commercial failure for Nintendo.

Truth is I'll be getting mine purely for Zelda and the first party Nintendo titles. I still think that it will attract a lot of high profile developers who want to try something new. Konami, Capcom and other big japanese companies usually give their high profile producers a lot of freedom and most have expressed great interest in the Wii.

However I think that most people with doubts should wait for the reviews (or think how much fun a drunken warioware session could be).

RE*AC*TOR

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2095938628534517271&q=southpark+wii&hl=en

LookingFor

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

If you view next gen as new ways to play games, new types of games etc then the DS and the Wii are the only next gen consoles (with brownie points to xbox for its excellent internet play integration).

You will see "new types of games" on all the next-gen systems. At the moment we're in the middle of a transition, so you're seeing lots of tarted up current-gen games, for want of a better word, but you'll soon see games that truly would only have been possible on the next-gen systems.

Wii offers a new interface as standard and a different canvas for games in that regard. I hesitate to say 'better', but different, certainly. You'll see the same period of transition there too - right now I'm seeing an unfortunate number of games that seem to be just quick current-gen ports with different controls tacked on, but I'm sure that'll change as developers take a purer approach to the system.

In the end, both approaches offer a lot of potential and the potential for new game experiences. PS3 also goes a little way towards blending both approaches.

CiaranC

If the 360 is anything to go by, next-gen is something that happens toward the middle to end of the consoles lifespan. It certainly hasnt happened in the first launch year. Barring a few nice textures, theres nothing on there that couldnt have been done on xbox 1.

Vegeta

LookingFor wrote:

You will see "new types of games" on all the next-gen systems. At the moment we're in the middle of a transition, so you're seeing lots of tarted up current-gen games, for want of a better word, but you'll soon see games that truly would only have been possible on the next-gen systems.

Like what???? I struggle to think of any game that couldn't have been done on an older console with worse graphics. Maybe Oblivion and Dead Rising but they are maybes.

Can someone please name some of these titles.

The majority are the same old FPS or third person action adventure/shoot em up, racing game, sports game.

All that has changed so far is tarted up graphics, physics and AI. Nothing really innovative there there still the same ol games just a little more realistic. PC gaming has been doing that for years

LookingFor

Vegeta wrote:

Like what???? I struggle to think of any game that couldn't have been done on an older console with worse graphics. Maybe Oblivion and Dead Rising but they are maybes.

Can someone please name some of these titles.

The majority are the same old FPS or third person action adventure/shoot em up, racing game, sports game.

All that has changed so far is tarted up graphics, physics and AI. Nothing really innovative there there still the same ol games just a little more realistic. PC gaming has been doing that for years

Uhh, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying there WILL be games that couldn't be done, in a very fundamental way, on the current gen systems. Future tense. Of course, when that happens, which games that'll be, is something of a subjective matter. Clearly, next-gen games already exist that could not be replicated as is on current gen systems, but I think we are still perhaps waiting for that very fundamentally 'next-gen' game. All I'm saying is, it will come.

Tusky

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

The gamecube, while being a commercial failure, was at times a great console. Unlike the gamecube, the Wii seems to have a much bigger level of support from third party developers, which was the gamecube's biggest downfall.

Exactly the same thing was said about N64 v Gamecube. I'll be buying a Wii for the first party titles alone though.

RE*AC*TOR

Tusky wrote:

Exactly the same thing was said about N64 v Gamecube. I'll be buying a Wii for the first party titles alone though.

You might be right - time will tell I guess.

I don't think we need to convince people who are unsure anyway. As I said in my first reply - If you don't dig it, don't buy it.

Earthhorse

super_furry wrote:

The worry I have is that it will end up like the Gamecube and N64

I'm kinda hoping it will end up like the DS. Lots of great software as a result of taking the emphasis off technological improvement and putting it on how we interact with the game.

I'll admit I'm less hopeful that this will happen with the Wii but then I didn't think the DS was interesting at all until I started reading all the great reviews.

Vegeta

LookingFor wrote:

Uhh, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying there WILL be games that couldn't be done, in a very fundamental way, on the current gen systems. Future tense. Of course, when that happens, which games that'll be, is something of a subjective matter. Clearly, next-gen games already exist that could not be replicated as is on current gen systems, but I think we are still perhaps waiting for that very fundamentally 'next-gen' game. All I'm saying is, it will come.

I know you are agreeing with me but I am just asking do you know of any games coming out that will be completely "next gen" or are you just speculating

Kimbot

I think the Wii will actually surprise alot of people with its capabilities!!

Interacting with games, graphics will be improved upon the gamecube (I think Luigi's Mansion is amazing graphically) and to be honest I think its hat you get out of gameplay thats more important than graphics and the sooner people reasile it the better!!
Its like buying a new car, you have an old clapped up banger you drive and it does the job and in some respects still amazes you when you drive it but you go out and buy a brand new car and spend a large amount of money for the same drive but because it looks better!!
Game developers will love the Wii, and the possiblilty with the remote will actually make alot more games possible so we may see alot of new must have titles in the future!!!

LookingFor

Vegeta wrote:

I know you are agreeing with me but I am just asking do you know of any games coming out that will be completely "next gen" or are you just speculating

I'm speculating in the same way I'm speculating when I say it will rain in Ireland at some point between now and the end of the year

BlitzKrieg

This new gen war has sort of been a confusing one for me.


I originally opposed the handhelds because I saw both of them as very poor machines at launch, both trying to make games that are not suited for one the go gaming.

Then I picked up a DS due to a sudden surprise influx of money on my part and I really wanted to play Sonic Rush. (I'm an addict for sonic games.)

My Opinion on DS completely turned around, mainly because after the initial launch games all the ones that followed *did* suit on the go gaming.

Picked up a PSP cheap a few months later, and my original opinion still stood with that machine.


On the Wii etc, I was very opposed to all 3 consoles, but a few months ago nintendo did a really good job wooing me when the console got the expose it needed, that excitement has died down alot (and after seeing the launch selection) I am sure I will pick up a Wii, its just a matter of when. (again maybe a Sonic game will push me.)

So I was not excited, not excited, and now am sort of excited (thank you gunstar heroes)

the 360 didnt excite me, again none of the games appealled to me, but Capcom have me interested now with dead rising and the upcoming lost planet, and live is finally going to good places. So wasnt excited and am now interested (but not excited.)

THE PS3 had me when the MGS4 footage was shown off, but has been pouring cold water on me ever since. so thats pretty flacid right now.

BopNiblets

I'm a PC guy only really, only thing that would get me to a Wii would be a decent Jedi Knight game with the saber controllable by the remote thing.
Otherwise it's just another console that will float by me in time.

Crucifix

I don't know if I'd say I'm unimpressed, but I'm definitely not as certain of it's brilliance as some people seem to be. I'm still not convinced the control method will suit my 'slouched-across-the-sofa-at-the-end-of-the-day' gaming style, and I'm also not that interested in much of the launch beyond Zelda. That price sure is sweet though.

Praetorian

I'm not impressed by the WII although the controller is a clever gimmick. They really have let people down with the technical specs of the WII. Even the name is a bad joke. Twice the power of the last one, wow wee! It's ridiculous. All Nintendo care about is milking the Nintendo fan boys of their hard earned cash

However I think that most people with doubts should wait for the reviews (or think how much fun a drunken warioware session could be).

We were a wee bit drunk alright, good fun though.

L5

Praetorian wrote:

Twice the power of the last one, wow wee!

Over twice the power, in a size a lot less than half that of GameCube. Quite a technical achievment actually, a lot harder to accomplish than simply jacking up the specs in a massive box like the 360 or ps3

RE*AC*TOR

L5 wrote:

Praetorian wrote:

Twice the power of the last one, wow wee!

Over twice the power, in a size a lot less than half that of GameCube. Quite a technical achievment actually, a lot harder to accomplish than simply jacking up the specs in a massive box like the 360 or ps3

its a moot point, console size, while aesthically pleasing is largely irrelevant, as you don't have to carry it around.

Praetorian

I honestly don't believe that twice the power in half the size box is an amazing technical achievment at all. I think it's most uninpressive considering the major leaps that cpu / gpu manufacturers have made in the last few years. The gamecube was released in 2001, 5 years later (an eternity in computer terms) I would think that between 5 - 10 times the power could have been achieved if they had the imagination, the drive, and the expertise of the other manufacturers. You can argue that keeping the WII cheap is to be commended, but I'm much more impressed by Sony and Microsoft who are pulling out all the stops to make truely next gen hardware.

CiDeRmAn

Perhaps pushing at the edge of the envelope when it concerns next gen matters should include more than just graphical grunt? Perhaps people need to broaden their horizons a bit, I mean what matter it that Quake4 is a tad smoother than Doom3 on the previous gen, and Prey not much better? Surely the possiblities of new ways to be engaged by games is what keeps us coming back and for a long time now its been how well a Ferrari is rendered as it speeds around London or New York, or perhaps how well defined the weapons are in your latest FPS, maybe we should consider the value of making us interact with games in a new way as a next gen property?
Anyway game quality isn't a guarantee even if your console is a HD capable super powerful doohickey, as the 360 has shown stinkers are everywhere, lack of developer imagination and constrained development time lead to many disappointments and don't think the PS3 will be immune.
At least Nintendo are charging a fair price for the Wii and not taking the michael like Sony, its the only thing about the PS3 thats putting me off buying one at launch, well that and the fact that most releases will be shared with the 360 and I have one of those!

thebman

Praetorian wrote:

I honestly don't believe that twice the power in half the size box is an amazing technical achievment at all. I think it's most uninpressive considering the major leaps that cpu / gpu manufacturers have made in the last few years. The gamecube was released in 2001, 5 years later (an eternity in computer terms) I would think that between 5 - 10 times the power could have been achieved if they had the imagination, the drive, and the expertise of the other manufacturers. You can argue that keeping the WII cheap is to be commended, but I'm much more impressed by Sony and Microsoft who are pulling out all the stops to make truely next gen hardware.

The technical achievement is that in the size of the console given its twice the power of the Gamecube and the fact that it requires less power than the gamecube did.

It being small will be useful to some people and it not using much power is of benefit to anyone who pays electricity bills. Probably not by much but hey they aren't Jesus or anything.

The Wii isn't supposed to be cheap for what it is. It isn't a bargin bin console. It is cheaper than the rivals and it offers a new way to play. They have something worth money, an idea and from preorders and media reviews on it, that makes it worth the price to a lot of people.

LookingFor

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Perhaps pushing at the edge of the envelope when it concerns next gen matters should include more than just graphical grunt? Perhaps people need to broaden their horizons a bit, I mean what matter it that Quake4 is a tad smoother than Doom3 on the previous gen, and Prey not much better? Surely the possiblities of new ways to be engaged by games is what keeps us coming back and for a long time now its been how well a Ferrari is rendered as it speeds around London or New York, or perhaps how well defined the weapons are in your latest FPS, maybe we should consider the value of making us interact with games in a new way as a next gen property?

I think it is of course a next-gen property. But I don't think it's inherently holds any more potential for improving the experience than greater processing power does. It's just another tool for crafting the experience. Bad controls can break a game as much as good controls can improve them, and you will see games make bad use of the Wii's controls too. And you will see games that simply take current-gen mechanics and concepts and simply 'tack on' wii controls as much as you see games on 360 or PS3 that take fundamentally current gen games and put a new lick of paint on them. You won't see some magical across-the-board improvement in gameplay because you're suddenly playing with a wii-mote, and I think sometimes people blur the lines in their head between different controls and better gameplay (and I say different very purposefully - the controls may not be better, and may in fact be worse, again depending on the developer's effort and application).

The challenge on all the consoles is for developers to present something truly next-gen in terms of experience. Wii offers a different pallette, but not necessarily a better one for doing that. And I'm not sure it'll make it any easier for developers to produce something truly 'next-gen' in terms of experience than on the other systems (asides from the free pass it basically gives in terms of graphics/physics etc. which is not really a good thing, IMO).

Call Me Jimmy

I think the wii is being slightly overhyped and I also think that the early games will be disappointing.

However, the potential is there for developers to make revolutionary games that require skill. Taking tennis as an example, it would be possible for a developer to do a sim that would use all of the information collected by the wiimote to create accurate shots and move using the analogue. The way you swing the remote could define power, direction and spin and would not allow just any retarded movement or the ball would go out.

Like with red steel, at first they had a set of predefined swings that you do by waving the wiimote in a general direction but they realised that people wanted to control these things accurately and they changed the sword's control system. I would imagine that this is a much more satisfying experience, to see your movement be precisely recreated on-screen.

As long as developers have the balls to do the games properly and not dumb down everything for these "non-gamers", the wii could be a great console.

CiDeRmAn

Perhaps we are getting lost using now obsolete terms like "next gen".
Given that the release of consoles is now smeared across a 3 year time frame, that not including handheld hardware, we see more of a continuum of hardware, each new machine redefining what is possible, changing expectations, while Sony and MS seem comfortable pushing the boundries of existing genres bringing us a 5 year future of yet unseen glorious FPS, RTS and simulation bliss, Nintendo have taken a step into a territory untapped, it could be a disaster courting people who have differ from casual gamers as casual gamers differ from the hardcore, but it;ll be surely interesting to see what happens, while the future of the 360 and PS3, at least in Europe, seems readily predictable it's great to have a real joker in the game, one who's target audience don't even know they are gamers yet.

ambro25

CiDeRmAn wrote:

(...)At least Nintendo are (i)charging a fair price for the Wii and not taking the michael like Sony, its the only thing about the PS3 thats putting me off buying one at launch, well that and the fact that most releases will be shared with the 360 and (ii)I have one of those!

...and that's pretty much it, in two nutshells

At the end of the day, the videogame industry has always been and, unless the distribution model changes somewhat, always wiil be a numbers' game: it doesn't matter who makes the console, how many polys it pushes, if it does 5.1 out of the box or whatnot - if it doesn't sell in high enough numbers, if the makers don't get the installed user base quickly enough, there will be no software support.. and the format will die.

From a developer's perspective: 10 years ago, it took max-maximum a couple of €ms and a year to produce a sure-fire AAA monster-seller, amongst the more ordinary half-€m and 6 months dev time. Came PS2 and XBOX and the €2m/1year figures became the norm for As, and doubled for AAAs. Now, with PS3/XB360, double the figures again. How much more do you think studios can stretch investors' and console owners' respective patiences?

It's already afoot, and think about it: why does SONY keep trumpeting that the PS3 price will be offset by a longer shelf-life, e.g. a PS3 is going to last you 7 years? Because the mid- to end-life "astounding titles" are that far away this time around.

I believe Ninty's got it right market wise here:

*generic* hardcore gamers have had a 360 for a while now, or will this Xmas since short of any available PS3s.

*real* hardcore gamers will still somehow get hold of a PS3, but these fall in two infinitesimally small groups, in the context of the above "numbers games" - very well off and will grab one at any price, or really very hardcore and will grab one at any price.

*casual* gamers, when faced with no PS3 available, an XB360 at the price it's at and the Wii at the price it will be, are likely to pump for Wii (already regularly featured in just about every dayTV show you care to name, across Europe).

*parents* buying for kid gamers - see 'casual gamers' immediately above.

By March 2007, considering there's only so much total disposable income for videogame hardware in Europe, most of which is spent at Xmas (Xmas 06 in this case), once you take away DS lites, PSPs, 360s and Wii (not to mention the vast majority still buying PS2s & XB1s) - there ain't gonna be much of a market left for PS3 (because of equipment level this Xmas), and it's a long long slog to Xmas 07 = not much installed user base in Europe by Xmas 2007 = (I believe, and expect) 'rippled' adverse effect on developers.

Time will tell. I'm a PC gamer myself. But I started with a CBS in '84, I've been into and out of it ever since, and I've owned pretty much every console ever made (save for a 360, I hung up the gloves after XB/PS2/GC): there's been catastrophies even for very major players in every format cycle - Atari 2600/Jag, Sega (DC), 3DO (M2), etc. each of whom was supposed to become the be all and end all and tech. Sony's not out of the woods yet, M$ console take up rate is not quite on target a year on, and Ninty could still tank on the Wii.

CiDeRmAn

Yup, the scary thing is a colleague of mine was asking me about consoles for Xmas as I am the default games expert in my workplace, only earning the respect I deserve around Xmas time (go figure), anyhow I was telling her about the next gen visual glory of PGR3 on the 360 and other visual confections there in and then proceeded to describe the rather groovy Wii that was upcoming, she hummed and hawwed about it and said her son wanted the PS3, I told her it was really only fractionally better than the 360 which was half the price but she maintained "Sure its Christmas and only a couple of hundred more, and its the console he wants", there you go, thats the obstacle Nintendo have to surmount, MS too truth be told, the blind adulation of the ignorant at the altar of Sony, blinded by a machines brand rather than interested in a software catalogue, I mean if a guy really wants a PS3 and wants one because he really wants to play Motorstorm or Warhawk, thats cool, if a guy/girl wants to play a Nintendo simply because its nintendo, thats uncool, works both ways see, sadly there are school yards full of kids who only want a PS3 because its a Sony, despite their games collection consisting of a couple of multiformat Ubisoft and EA titles, and that type of consumer will be very hard to turn, very hard.
Unfortunately at each format release the target consumer becomes less of a niche hobbiest and more and more mainstream, the past format shifts followed the cool games, but as each one was led more and more by those led by the newspapers and other non specialist media outlets the customer drifts awat from the best games and to the sparkliest console, so folk bought a PS2 with a lousy launch mine up and a lousy line up for the first year instead of buying a DC with a great games line up, and this effect will be amplified this time, may not matter how good Lost Planet or Mass Effect are, may not matter how good Wii Tennis or Red Steel will be, the blind consumerist masses will dance to the tune of the newspapers and other crap PR led games news outlets and with that dishonest advice go for the most expensive console with the most expensive games and be blissfully happy with it.

Gizzard

yes, yes you are

LookingFor

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Yup, the scary thing is a colleague of mine was asking me about consoles for Xmas as I am the default games expert in my workplace, only earning the respect I deserve around Xmas time (go figure), anyhow I was telling her about the next gen visual glory of PGR3 on the 360 and other visual confections there in and then proceeded to describe the rather groovy Wii that was upcoming, she hummed and hawwed about it and said her son wanted the PS3, I told her it was really only fractionally better than the 360 which was half the price but she maintained "Sure its Christmas and only a couple of hundred more, and its the console he wants", there you go, thats the obstacle Nintendo have to surmount, MS too truth be told, the blind adulation of the ignorant at the altar of Sony, blinded by a machines brand rather than interested in a software catalogue, I mean if a guy really wants a PS3 and wants one because he really wants to play Motorstorm or Warhawk, thats cool, if a guy/girl wants to play a Nintendo simply because its nintendo, thats uncool, works both ways see, sadly there are school yards full of kids who only want a PS3 because its a Sony, despite their games collection consisting of a couple of multiformat Ubisoft and EA titles, and that type of consumer will be very hard to turn, very hard.
Unfortunately at each format release the target consumer becomes less of a niche hobbiest and more and more mainstream, the past format shifts followed the cool games, but as each one was led more and more by those led by the newspapers and other non specialist media outlets the customer drifts awat from the best games and to the sparkliest console, so folk bought a PS2 with a lousy launch mine up and a lousy line up for the first year instead of buying a DC with a great games line up, and this effect will be amplified this time, may not matter how good Lost Planet or Mass Effect are, may not matter how good Wii Tennis or Red Steel will be, the blind consumerist masses will dance to the tune of the newspapers and other crap PR led games news outlets and with that dishonest advice go for the most expensive console with the most expensive games and be blissfully happy with it.

If people gravitate towards Playstation, it's only because they've come through for them in a big way for the last 10 years. People don't buy consoles just for launch games, they buy them with the expectation of what's to come for the next 5-10 years, and in that regard, you can't really blame people for preferring Playstation given that it has successfully delivered for people before. It's brand loyalty, but it's not irrational or unfounded or blind - it has been well earned. Up to two generations of good service, depending on who you're talking about, is hard to ignore.

ambro25

LookingFor wrote:

If people gravitate towards Playstation, it's only because they've come through for them in a big way for the last 10 years. People don't buy consoles just for launch games, they buy them with the expectation of what's to come for the next 5-10 years, and in that regard, you can't really blame people for preferring Playstation given that it has successfully delivered for people before. It's brand loyalty, but it's not irrational or unfounded or blind - it has been well earned. Up to two generations of good service, depending on who you're talking about, is hard to ignore.

Oh well... obviously Nintendo's not come through for their customers for the last 23 years at least, then :rolleyes:

K.O.Kiki

CiDeRmAn, if you're the resident "games expert" -- I hope you told her the PS3 isn't available in Europe until March at the earliest!

Ho-Hum

Wii could be good but I'll definitley be waiting a while to see what the general impression is.

johnny_ultimate

Like a couple of posters here, the only thing that is putting me off getting one at launch is the lineup. Of course there is Zelda, but for some reason I feel like I'll be better off buying the GC version for two reasons : one, I wont have to spend 250 euro to play it and two, I have this strange feeling the control system will still seem a bit shoehorned in.
I think I'll be waiting to buy one until the truly original, innovative games show up. Super Mario Galaxy is a case in point. The videos show that this indeed seems like an innovative and exciting use of the controller that will benefit from being on the Wii, unlike other launch games which just seem like tried and tested formulas edited slightly to take advantage of the controller.
That said, as soon as I think there are some unique and fun games out for it, the Wii will have pride of place in my sitting room.

super_furry

Just saw that Xtra-Vision will be selling the Premium Xbox 360 pack with Gears of War, PES6, Project Gotham 3 and Splinter Cell for €499. That will work out near enough the same as a Wii and four games so I think I'll go for the 360 for the time being and get Zelda on the Gamecube.

K.O.Kiki

super_furry wrote:

Just saw that Xtra-Vision will be selling the Premium Xbox 360 pack with Gears of War, PES6, Project Gotham 3 and Splinter Cell for €499. That will work out near enough the same as a Wii and four games so I think I'll go for the 360 for the time being and get Zelda on the Gamecube.

You could still buy some Virtual Console games & a classic controller with the difference

thebman

Ho-Hum wrote:

Wii could be good but I'll definitley be waiting a while to see what the general impression is.

Thats what the US getting it first is for. See Nintendo do care about Europe :eek:

Rozie

Wii = gamecube power x2 (approx)

More like 1.5, which is pissing me off at the moment, considerring that you can get a lot of extra performance out of the GC just by adding more RAM(the GC has incredible architecture but didn't actually have enough VRAM to fully use the GPU's power) so I don't see why they're charging $250.

The Wii is not worth $250 from a technical standpoint, not if they're selling a 360 for 300(they'll soon be selling the premium for this). Which is pissing me off. I'll be getting one anyway, but it's pissing me off.