PES 6 - Are People Impressed???

Xavi6

Ok folks I'm sure a lot of you have played it by now so what do you think?

I personally think it's amazing and has once again pi**ed all over FIFA. It's the new subtle things that make the difference. I particularly like the quick free kicks and how your short passing doesn't necessarily find it's intended target. Players can now shield the ball which is great when they get it to feet and are facing away from goal.

Also there's a pretty cool option to randomise teams when playing the computer. Haven't tried it yet but apparently you can select a league or else up to four teams and the computer will randomly pick a selection of players from these teams for you to play against.

Some of the players have become unreal compared to PES 5, the main one that springs to mind is Messi. His quick feet and change of pace are unreal. Rooney and Ronaldo seem to have improved while Saha can now finish.

Only negative for me is there are some transfers not done (e.g. Andy Cole still at Man. City, Cygan at Arsenal) and a lot of squad numbers are wrong. That's just me being fussy though. Must get an option file for the jerseys too.

Overall it's fantastic and well worth getting ASAP. Here's to many lad's nights in!!!!

dionsiseire

so yeah its 3am serious pro evo session

first impressions

much better game, very impressed, nice flowing footy,
referee's are much more leniant, no blowing up for silly fouls
free kicks are MUCH harder for some reason
shooting is harder, but like last time after a while you get used to it.
there are a lot more feints and moves in the game and volleying is now based on timing the drop of the ball, so if your trigger happy, you'll never score a volly

the star system is replaced by names like
beginner | amatuer | regular | professional | top player

the biggest thing we found was that on regular the goalkeepers were VERY dodgy

we quickly switched up to top player and the games seems to play more like real footy.

game is much more passing based this time around.

the is simplified tactics ( surely a ploy to get braindead fifa fans over )
all transfers are right up to date even ashley cole and william gallas switches are included.

the big name players likeness are much improved and the players have certain traits
zidane is still in the game and is the cheekiest player on the pitch, little flicks and runs,
henry has a knack of scoring impossible goals
drogba and a behemot

its possible to have scuffles over the ball where usually the referee would have blown up

Man united and arsenal license's this time

i also would like to claim the record to the quickest ever sending off

2 days before release date, 1st match, 00:59 (yes 59 seconds)
rio ferdinand sent off, excellent start

the players definitely seem to make some better runs and there is definitely an emphasis on meaning what you do so if you press pass with no direction, there's a greater chance of interception, or the ball going the wrong way as opposed to pro 5 where is went to the obvious player nearby.

quite impressed with the gameplay improvements

there's a couple of extra options to be found like international challenege and random match.
in the pes shop theres the option for player costumes where the kit choice can be a penguin costume or an ostrich costume, funny yes, but 5000 pes points so i aint got it yet, seems fun.

quick free kicks it totally a revelation for the game, pressing R1 and L1 together after being fouled quickly plays the quick free kick pass forward before the players get a chance to get back.

thats about it. just thought i'd give my thought on first play on the PS2

Tank Top Fever!

Online play on the 360 needs patching, it's very hard to connect to games with a lot of people

shooting is going to take some getting used to, but overall I think they've got it spot on again

the tweaks to the passing system are brilliant

oddone

have they improved the crowd scenes?
That was a major disappointment in 5, the empty stadiums, have they
improved this and if so is it good ?
thanks

CiaranC

have they improved the crowd scenes?

Crowd is made up of individual models instead of 2D cardboard cutout type things. They put their hands up in the air, put their heads in their hands etc.

Unfortunately this doesnt seem to correspond to the gameplay at all. Also, the pattern is repeated every 3 members of the crowd, so it looks retarded. Ah well, maybe they'll get it right by PES12

wheelbarrow

Only played it for a few minutes last night, but i managed to have three players sent off in my first game...

zAbbo

SO what versions is best ? PC again ?

TheGreatOne

Got it on 360 today, have to say I'm very impressed, as I though I would be.

As mentioned, passing has be nailed, this never needs to be tweaked again imo, it feels perfect.

Ref's too are now perfect, the game flows so well.

Shooting has been improved, no more outrageous shots on the turn happening every 2 minutes that scream into the top corner.

I also like the way forwards with good balance manage to stay on the ball more and don't get knocked off easily, it makes playing with guys like Koller or Toni way more realistic.

Over the top or long balls seem to work really well this time. They don't come off every time but when they do its sweet to get in behind the back-line.

XBL seems a bit pants tho, I can't seem to find a option to invite friends to play on-line, which sucks. Maybe I'm missing something?

Despite the lack of editing, stadiums etc, which doesn't take anything away from the game anyway, I love this years Pro Evo, just get XBL sorted cause I don't wanna be playing quitters and the likes.

Julez

Yeah i also noticed I've been using long balls alot more which is a good thing tho! They seem quite a bit more effective!

swalsh

Far tougher which is a god thing and all that as been changed has been done so for the good. The game flows really well and I am well impressed with it. Has anybody else noticed that when you score 2-3 goals it is far easier to get into an attacking position, it feels like the other teams morale goes down the drain?

Reganio 2

Its not bang up to date Liverpool's away jerzy is white instead of yellow, mellor still plays for Liverpool and Miller still playes for Man.U. I only played 1 or 2 games and noticed these mistakes.

Dave!

I'm not impressed. Too slow and groggy, just like PES5. I've been playing PES4 since it (4) came out, because we bought PES5 and found it too slow. I was hoping that the latest one would go back to the dynamicness of the 4th, but alas, it's just like 5 but with newer jerseys and players. Bitterly disappointed.
They did manage to fix the referees and tackles though.

I'm gonna be getting an Xbox 360 in the near future and it looks like I'm gonna get Fifa 07 rather than PES6. I played Fifa's World Cup game in my mate's house and liked it. I didn't love it, but it's alot better than PES for the PS2 that's for sure.

I'm forcing myself to play it here, since I paid money for it, but I'm utterly bored! If you liked PES5 then you'll probably like this.

Why can't just they just a "speed" option on it, so ya can speed it up and slow it down?

Heisenberg.

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Reganio 2

I got it yesteday (Saturday) on the PS2 and I have to say I love it i think it is alot smoother than Pes5. The only thing I don't like about it is when doing the master league on fix it is alot harder to influence the game. In Pes5 I was getting a 7 and above every game and usually mom as Riise but in Pes6 I have only got one 7 and never got mom. But still love it.

Mossy Monk

tried to buy it today

Gamestop told me its not being released until Wednesday. i laughed and walked out of the door. they should at least tell the truth

whiskeyman

Got it on PC yesterday.
Have to say, I'm not impressed after a few hours.
Player control seems very slow, jerky and is if they are skating on ice for some reason.
It just doesn't seem near as fluid as PES5 did.
There's a marked difference in ball control and close challenging that I probably have to get used to. Shooting appears harder, but I think there's room for more variety and 'off the cuff' action to bring in a greater degree of realism.

I remember almost giving up on PES5 before realising it to be the best soccer game ever. I guess it's due to the fact that every PES up to 4 was simply miles better than the previous.
Perhaps this is yet another of the "acquired" tasting PES's I gotta get used to for full enjoyment.
It's also hard leaving a full up to date and beautifully patched PES5 for this.

KdjaCL

whiskeyman wrote:

It's also hard leaving a full up to date and beautifully patched PES5 for this.

Import your PES5 option file in DATA load.

If its jerky using a NO DVD fixes it as Securom 7 is the problem.

Its a sweet game shame online isnt working


kdjac

whiskeyman

KdjaCL wrote:

Import your PES5 option file in DATA load.

Cheers - never even looked into that.

KdjaCL wrote:

If its jerky using a NO DVD fixes it as Securom 7 is the problem.

It's not the game it's that's jerky, more the players themselves. Some of the off the ball player movement seems very odd. I think it's gonna be worth trying to master though.

Raggamuffin

OK no matter how bad they make the game there is one cardinal rule.
"DON'T F.UCK UP THE GOALKEEPERS".

Played it for about 3 nights with friends. We hated PES4 and played PES3 until 5 came out. Decided the lenient nature of the Ref and the constant fouls was not enough to go back to terrible keepers in 4 and hand balls in 3.

This game is a complete step in the wrong direction. The programmers have been lazy and done the impossible, AGAIN!, and actually made the game worse.

Van der Sar spilled the ball so many times i threw the controller acros the room. We count ourselves as fairly good players with many a close game or league in PES5 and PES3 but ths game is LAZY.

So here we are again back playing PES5 and hey what's wrong with that? Brought back PES6 and bought Football Manager 2007... some franchise i can have some faith in.

So if you like PES5 and 3 and hate 4 you'll hate PES6. Lots of numbers but seriously they had a great game in 3. Few updates, like in pc games, and it would still be played today.

IN order to make great game the developers need to really look at what makes PES enjoyable and accessible.

1. IT'S NOT REAL FOOTBALL. Create the illusion not replicate the real thing. That's why it's computer game. And if you're trying to be realistic where are the shirt pulls and all the little nuances in the game? LAZYINESS. Easy cash from desperate gamers.

2. Look at games like NBA jam and NHLPA hockey, jonah Lomu rugby and possibly pete samprass tennis, for HOW TO MAKE A TIMELESS GAME. You only have to do it once and there you go. In this time of online gaming updates are all that should be required and none of this once a year bull****.

3. €55? for what? TWEAKS? People do that on th internet for free. It's been shown, i think, that when the game is on the pc and fully editable a better gaming experience is created. Rome Total war = ****. Rome Total Realism = excellent. PES5 + patches = brilliant. So it really begs the question "DO we really need game developers to peddle this laziness?" lets pay the real innovaters our hard earned cash and promote a better quality of games.

This went on way too long. I'm just so disappointed. I should have expected this but every PES release just gives me the same shiver as when i saw the Star wars prequels, or when i heard about remakes, texas chainsaw massacre, wicker man.

PLEASE don't buy PES6. And if you're annoyed bring it back. It's €55 not €12 for a dvd or €8 for the cinema. Robbery.

If anyone else feels this way please get in touch. Because sometimes i just think i'm out on my own here.

KdjaCL

Raggamuffin wrote:

If anyone else feels this way please get in touch. Because sometimes i just think i'm out on my own here.

You are, its awesome. Definitley the best of the series, Keppers only spill shots, dont let your mate shoot in the 1st place.

Now if only online worked.

kdjac

zAbbo

Anyone got a decent PC option file. link it

KdjaCL

zabbo wrote:

Anyone got a decent PC option file. link it

Use your old one

Go to DATA and load your pes5 option file.


kdjac

zAbbo

Was looking for a new one, I modified my PES5 one a little too much.

CiaranC

KdjaCL wrote:

You are, its awesome

I must have missed when you were appointed spokesman for everyone on the internet.

Raggamuffin wrote:

€55? for what? TWEAKS?

Unfortunately, the likes of EA have turned the industry into one where we are sold the same game every year. Now everyone is at it.

The morons who populate the gaming world ally themselves to franchises and corporations and defend them vigorously. For what reason, god only knows.

Konami produced brilliant football games, IIS, PES, WE. Apparently this means that they always will produce brilliant games and saying otherwise is akin to treason.

KdjaCL

CiaranC wrote:

I must have missed when you were appointed spokesman for everyone on the internet.

You must have missed that meeting.


kdjac

kaisersose77

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=139647&skip=yes

" We also talked Pro Evo on Xbox 360 with Seabass, and he's confident that our version will be the best in the series yet. "We really wanted to bring Pro Evo to the Xbox 360 at launch," he told us, "and we want to apologise to our fans that we haven't been able to do that. However, we have been working for a very long time on Pro Evo for Xbox 360 and we're confident that it will be great."

he must have got mixed up and meant the ps3 version....

Raggamuffin

KdjaCL wrote:

You are, its awesome. Definitley the best of the series, Keppers only spill shots, dont let your mate shoot in the 1st place.

Now if only online worked.

kdjac

OUt of all that you pick my final line to quote?

There are seirous issues with the game. Flaws in the production values. I know i should'nt let my friend shoot but apparently it does'nt matter where he shoots from decent keepers can't pluck it out of the air. You might claim that in modern fast paced football, ala the premiership, that due to the power behind the shots the ball is spilled more often. In real life keepers act decisively and, most of the time, with intelligence. In this game, after only 3 days, i saw a defender boot the ball into his own net, a keeper walk the ball out for a corner, IN HIS HANDS, and then i saw him run past the ball only to dive back, fumble, and then allow an attacking player to run in and score.

Online play does not recover a title. The fact that it does'nt work is a shambles in itself. Where is my money going. I don't think this game does enough to justify shelling out 55 quid. But then this typifies the general trend in games, as somebody pointed out above me.

Like films, books and music. Don't pay for half arsed efforts. Praise those who innovate and try new things. Sick and tired of this. A multi Billion euro industry and out of all the programmers and dedicated gamers we get two substantial titles. Fifa and Pro evolution.

We praised the latter for showing how bad the former was but now i patiently wait for somebody to discredit pro evolution. It needs to happen.

digitalninja

I've been playing it on xbox360 for about a week now and I think it's **** compared to pes4 and pes 5, it's too slow moving and they've made a simulator instead of a game. If I wanted to simulate the real thing then I'de flip on the telly:/

wba88

the server is **** slow! not impressed

Nay Z

digitalninja wrote:

I've been playing it on xbox360 for about a week now and I think it's **** compared to pes4 and pes 5, it's too slow moving and they've made a simulator instead of a game. If I wanted to simulate the real thing then I'de flip on the telly:/

I have totally agree, been playing for the past couple of days and everything about the game annoys me the point of wanting to smash the disk into tiny pieces to feed to my gimp to watch him suffer as he sh!tes it out.

Xavi6

Raggamuffin wrote:

In real life keepers act decisively and, most of the time, with intelligence. In this game, after only 3 days, i saw a defender boot the ball into his own net, a keeper walk the ball out for a corner, IN HIS HANDS, and then i saw him run past the ball only to dive back, fumble, and then allow an attacking player to run in and score.

In real life goalkeepers make mistakes. They spill the ball when it's wet and they parry shots straight to strikers. It's all about making the game more realistic and that's exactly what I've found. If you don't want a true reflection of a real game then go route out your Nintendo for Sensible Soccer.

GrumPy

Sorry for the stupid qestion, but how do I kit select? Theres never an option at the start of a game, and lots of matches I play are difficult to look at, because of serious clashige.

KdjaCL

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Sorry for the stupid qestion, but how do I kit select? Theres never an option at the start of a game, and lots of matches I play are difficult to look at, because of serious clashige.

Screen after you pick teams, im colour blind so have to do that quite a lot just press left and right when you see the 2 team names and jersey colours.


kdjac

Tank Top Fever!

Played the PS2 version fairly to death last night, hate to say it, but it's better than the 360 version

PHB

Is everybody judging this on the 360, cause don't forget, PES 5 was ****e on the XBox too, so don't write off PES6 cause you played it on the PS2.

GrumPy

PHB wrote:

Is everybody judging this on the 360, cause don't forget, PES 5 was ****e on the XBox too, so don't write off PES6 cause you played it on the PS2.

What?

Tank Top Fever!

PHB wrote:

Is everybody judging this on the 360, cause don't forget, PES 5 was ****e on the XBox too, so don't write off PES6 cause you played it on the PS2.

I liked PES 5 on the xbox

I also really don't like how they've swapped the shoulder buttons, putting sprint on the bumper

I've swapped it back to the trigger, but a lot of stuff has stayed on the bumper, and it makes it a nightmare to remember what button to press in certain situations

KdjaCL

Online service is working.


Now it becomes a proper game.

kdjac

Mossy Monk

does the box tell the truth. pc players can play online against ps2 players?

cant wait to install it. pesky work

KdjaCL

Mossy Monk wrote:

does the box tell the truth. pc players can play online against ps2 players?

cant wait to install it. pesky work

It does on PC you have select Multi platform then play anyone

tis great now its working


kdjac

Fusion251

DaveMcG wrote:

I'm not impressed. Too slow and groggy, just like PES5. I've been playing PES4 since it (4) came out, because we bought PES5 and found it too slow. I was hoping that the latest one would go back to the dynamicness of the 4th, but alas, it's just like 5 but with newer jerseys and players. Bitterly disappointed.
They did manage to fix the referees and tackles though.

I'm gonna be getting an Xbox 360 in the near future and it looks like I'm gonna get Fifa 07 rather than PES6. I played Fifa's World Cup game in my mate's house and liked it. I didn't love it, but it's alot better than PES for the PS2 that's for sure.

I'm forcing myself to play it here, since I paid money for it, but I'm utterly bored! If you liked PES5 then you'll probably like this.

Why can't just they just a "speed" option on it, so ya can speed it up and slow it down?

How fast do you expect the players to run exactly? I will agree that 4 is alot of fun, but 6 is a proper game about passing, tactics, knowing your players and what they're capable of...

I think 6 is excellent and I'm sure if you get past the whole "It's too slow" thing you'll probably like it too.

Fusion

Tusky

I dont understand how anyone can say its too slow. Its much faster than pro evo 5! Both in passing, general gameplay and the speed the players run at. Im enjoying the fact that the passing looks so real, the players move more realistically, the shooting and the goal keepers saves. Also enjoying the linesman, new crowd, quick free kicks and better tackling.

The likeness of the players are fairly bad and the fact that the jerseys are still plain is, as ever, anoying but made more so by the fact that you can't edit them anymore so no patches.

Definitely an improvement. Gonna check out Fifa too though...for the first time in ages.

mise

If Pro Evo 6 is basically the same as WE10 then I cant see how anyone could think its slow. I loved 4 when it came out but I played it a while back I there's no way I'd go back to it, its way to easy to just run through defenders. 5 was definitely slower than 4 but played a much better game, but after playing WE10 I find it quite unresponsive.

Oh yeah and tho I havent bought a Fifa game since Fifa Soccer, I'm seriously considering getting the PS version this year

zAbbo

And winning eleven on the DS plays like ISS Pro Evo on the PSX, very similar to Winning Eleven 2002 (which people played online)

Mossy Monk

i see Arsenal still play at Highbury

this dissappoints me

Nalz

I think they made a complete balls of the defence line. No matter what setting under TEAM for the defence line (A,B or C), they still defend too deep. This allows passes to feet from outside the area into the six yard box then a simple turn with a decent striker (Henry, Saha, Owen, Ronaldo etc) and bang.

Set pieces (corners) are very easy to score from (near post with V Nistelrooy of Real Madrid).

Passing and smoothness of overall play is alot better, and less fouling is great and very obvious to see.

Overall I like it - its fun. work is tough next day after bein up all night with the lads playin p evo til half feckin 2 in da mornin!!

alxmorgan

Folks,

Having great trouble scoring or even creating chances.
Always seem to get crowded out.

Playing on regular in ML with the Pool and I should be beating teams easily enough I would think as I've played all the PES's on 5/6 star and been quite handy.

what kind of goals are ppl scoring ?

Ballymun Bohs

I really cant make my mind up about this game to be honest,there are things i love and things i hate.

Negative Points:Goalkeepers are shocking!! worst ive ever seen,their positioning is awful! someone keepers spill shots in real life,true,but not 90% of shots.Passing has improved BUT there are times when the speed of the passes is so slow it makes you want to SCREAM! like a player might be 5 yards away and it will take about 1 and a half seconds to get to him.The logo editor,why oh why have Konami taken away the ability to add colours to logos when you are making them?? its now impossible for me to make things like the FAI crest on the Ireland jersey and i dont have a max drive to import option files.


Positive Points:Apart from the above points,the game does play in a more realistic way.its actually possible to play a 4-4-2 without centre halves going walkabout.on every PES on the PS2 ive had to play 3 at the back simply because centre halves go off on their own when i played thank god its been sorted.I honestly dont know how people find it hard to score in this game! I think this is by far the easiest PES to score in.I played my mate the other day (who is by no means a poor player) in a 2 legged game,he was Argentina and I was Ireland,I won the game 13-1 on aggregate! Quick free kicks are a nice touch,although sometimes they can go astray because you have no control over who the ball is passed to.Ref's have improved thank god and will brandish yellows and reds where needs be,ive still seen some shocking decisions which are extremely blatant and you get nothing and other times you win the ball cleanly and give a free away,but a definate improvement here.A thing that i like about this is that there seems to be a much fairer break of the ball in this game,in PES 5 i used to pull my hair out when you would win the ball maybe 5-6 times in a row and you still wouldnt have possession.

On a side issue,what is the deal with headers?? i cannot defend them at all!

To put it into context i think i could become better at this PES than any other ive played but at the same time i dont think i would enjoy it as much as other PES games.I mean i played PES 5 ALL year round,I dont know if i can say the same for this,I think the constant goalkeeper howlers might become all too predictable and annoying.

alxmorgan

So here goes

Good
1. Lazy players punished....just assume pass is gonna go to man you may be disapppointed
2. Headers much better
3. Volleys more impressive


Bad
1. Passing is SO slow sometimes....5 yard pass...1.5 secs...adv lost
2. Passing goes astray too much...5 yard pass...can't hit man with Barca 4-5 times per game..wheres the realism ?
3. Keepers make stupid mistakes
4. Manual lofted balls always go same distance...seem to have lost ability to choose power...missing something ?

Overall I like it but annoying things get to me.
Will take a few weeks as always to feel my way into it

Having said that I have never had this much scoring or making chances.
Tips ?

brianon

Will be able to play online tonight .. I hope.

The initial online problems are fixed I hear. But does it play better online than in PES5 ?

Real Slim Shady

Overall i think it's an improvement on pes5 but the 1 thing that is really infuriating about this game is the goalkeepers. 1 example is when i played the computer i was arsenal the computer was real madrid it was 1-1 and heading for extra time when madrid got a corner in injury time the ball came in the keeper went for it totally missed it and van nistelrooy headed it in at the far post. I know they are trying to make it more realistic but when the keepers f*ck up most of the time and it costs you matches it's really annoying. Otherwise it's great and really enjoyable to play.