legality of steroids in ireland?

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

Just wondering about the legality of juice in ireland? I hear some forms of it are legal in the UK as long as you don't sell. Does anybody have much info on them? I was considering using them but wouldn't dare if it were against the law.

amazingemmet

100% illegal in ireland, legal for personal use in the uk.

Even herbal test boosters such as tribulus are banned in ireland.

walt0r

Surely people sell them though? I mean they're not as serious as being caught with a kilo of coke or some ****. Wouldn't mind poppin a few dbol if i could get my hands on em!

amazingemmet

Only class c iirc, so would just be a slap on the wrist.

peterk19

yea justa slap on the wrist as far as i know

a dbol only cycle is a pretty bad way to cycle steroids

amazingemmet

Agreed oral only cycles are bad for the liver unless done in short cycles, 3 weeks etc but then if you done a 20 rep squat program or gvt you'd get the same results as that short cycle so not really worth it then.

t-ha

I have two cartons of juice in my fridge though I don't drink it myself - it's too sugary!

Why are we taking about juice cycles anyway - there's about a zillion places on the web to talk about that stuff. It kind of seems a little out of place amongst the other threads (to me anyway)?

Boru.

I've always found the use of steroids counter intuitive. I mean to me it just doesn't make sense. Regardless of if you take them or not you still have bot workout damn hard in order to rpoduce the maximum results (and results and muscle growth is the goal here so you'd obviously want the best you cna get right?). Well if you are doing all that hard work anyway, and you have got your diet sorted, then you WILL get a hell of a lot bigger, even if you are a hardgainer.

Now it stikes me that the people who put 110% effort in to both their diet and their workouts won't need steroids, they'll be getting results and if they aren't they'll re-analyse thier routine and diet till they do...so unless they are planning on competing and want ridiculous mass they won't need them...

I may be wrong, but it always seem to me that the people who are uneducated and don't apply themselve totally and whole heartedly are those who turn to steroids, in which case they aren't working out hard enough for them to really benefit?

Or am I completely off the mark here?

This is the way I've always seen it. For most people all it takes is hard work and commitment, which regardless of steroid use or not, is STILL the best way to build muscle, lose fat and enjoy a healthy energy filled lifesyle!

amazingemmet

I agree with boru here and don't think the average persons needs to go near steroids, In fact i think most people are just plain stupid regards their use, recent case i read about is someone who's 145lbs 5'11 6% bf and he's doing a 23 week cycle, like wtf?! Read here: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1299812

JayRoc

Boru. wrote:

I may be wrong, but it always seem to me that the people who are uneducated and don't apply themselve totally and whole heartedly are those who turn to steroids, in which case they aren't working out hard enough for them to really benefit?

Sorry, Boru, but I'd have to respectfully disagree with at least some of your post.

You're absolutely right that someone who isn't working at their optimal level shouldn't even be dreaming of juicing - I have , (as have all of us, I'm sure) on occasion, met guys who have only just begun resistance training and see AS as a short-cut to their goals.
But these people are , in my experience, very few and far between, and they invariably prove not to have the mental wherewithal to stick with any kind of demanding exercise program and diet, and end up jacking the whole thing in sooner rather than later. These people have yet to learn that gear is no subsititute for a sensible exercise program and a healthy lifestyle!

But to say that the majority of people who use these kinds of performance enhancers are uneducated and lack the ability to apply themselves is in my experience inaccurate. Most AS users in this country are seasoned, hard-working athletes who are experienced and knowledgable enough to at least make an informed choice, right or wrong. Often ( and I know I'm gonna get burned for this but what the hell, I believe it) the drive that pushes them to do what others would not is also what makes them such successful athletes.

Anyhoodles, T-ha's right , this probably isn't the best place for this kind of discussion, and I certainly don't wanna get into who should or should not be gearing or why, but I kind of felt compelled to throw my two cents in here for once.

J.

(Oh, and the seemingly obligatory addendum: I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the communist par.......no, no, wait, I mean.. taken Anabolic Steroids)

Boru.

Hey JayRoc, I nearly, very nearly said something similar myself regarding seasoned experienced lifters using steroids in an educated manner, but when I was about to write it I felt it had been more of an assupmtion I had made rather than from a first hand experience, as such I left it out.

Granted very few of the poeple I have met in the gym are even to that standard but those I have met are clean. Those I have met who are taking steroids are mostly long time misusers of the gym. I.e. they have been training incorrectly for a year or two and have now turned to steroids, rather than reassess thier workout program or diet.

As I say this is just my personal experience, but I'm always intrested to learn about others, your post being an excellent example of the kind of response I was looking for.

You're also right that this isn't the topic to discuss this in, but I do think it would be interesting to get more feedback on this issue. I think I'll post a poll on the topic and see what the board memebrs experiences have been.

Dan133269

what are the long term effects on your body from taking steroids?
Also wondering, are steroids banned from international bodybuilding events, or are there some competitions that allow them and others don't?

Dragan

Dan133269 wrote:

what are the long term effects on your body from taking steroids?
Also wondering, are steroids banned from international bodybuilding events, or are there some competitions that allow them and others don't?

Hey Dan, different effects for different cycles, the best thing you can do is go on to www.pubmed.com and have a look through the different studies on there.

As for the testing, thats all based on the specific organisations. Some test all top 10 places, some do random tests, some do none.

because_I_can

the only people that ive come across directly that are users are serious trainers. Now that may be only because they're the ones in my circle of gym friends.

These serious trainers are nothing short of animals in terms of natural strength coupled with good diet / training so personally ive only come across people that have exhausted pretty much every other avenue before they turned to the "dark side".

Now they have in turn have friends that are also users but not on the same plane as them and they often tell me stories about the more casual user. And i agree with Boru - for some users its just a short cut, an easy way out. But the wierd thing is it seems that being "on" focuses the mind much much more on diet and training and when a n00b does so he normally brings everything along to a much higher level than before, eg amount of protein per day usually shoots up.

So maybe its not the AS themselves rather the fact that everything else has been brought along that help some more than anything else.

On the other hand the serious dudes that are users, well they are on another level to ordinary folk. There is no way a clean athlete could ever compete with a user unless he was a god and the user was valentino. The difference is immense. Even if most users wont admit it. They'll say 10% at most but i call BS. Its a total different level of athlete where you can train and train and train and be as aggressive as a bull every second of every session. I love that simmons quote "Ive yet to see Dbol bench 100lbs". BS - If i could id train all day every day and rip up bar and weights like tissue but i cant because i have to recover or i'll die. Its not that im lazy (well i kinda am) its just that i cant do it. I need min 48hrs recovery after a power day. A user needs half that. How anyone can compete with that i'll never know. Thats why i reckon almost every medal winner in a power sport is "on". Once one dude is on for the rest to beat him they must too be "on"

Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that - i just dont want to have to compete with it ever.

Boru.

Hmm I kinda agree with this becasue I can. When I used to compete in Shotokan Karate at an international level we once came a cross a Russian Team and they were "on" as you put it. They were more focused, more agressive faster stronger and never seemed to fatigue. It wasn't so much becasue they were on steroids, it was more becasue of the training and cnditioning it helped them achieve.

I did a couple of sessions with their team after the contest and I was crying tears of blood and they were just completely impassive...seriously it was like Dolph in Rocky 4 just nothing...and they just kept pushing round after round...phenomenal...that was also the year I stopped competing.

I could have chosen to go "on" and compete at thier level, but I choose to stay as I was, primarily out of consideration for my health and well being. I've never seen anything close to that since, hence the distinction I make regarding the majority of users I see being no where near that level of training intensity. Perhaps I setting the bar too high.

Regardless this is all very intresting and educational.

Mickk

amazingemmet wrote:

100% illegal in ireland, legal for personal use in the uk.

Even herbal test boosters such as tribulus are banned in ireland.

You are wrong there emmet, steroids are a classed drug in the uk under the misuse of drugs act, over here they are simply a prescription medication not a drug. Also tribulus being "banned" actually means it is a medication aswell so a prescription is needed.

quozl

Boru. wrote:

It wasn't so much becasue they were on steroids, it was more becasue of the training and cnditioning it helped them achieve.

But that is exactly because they were on steroids. One of the main reason runners use PEDs is to allow them to recover more rapidly and hence train more often and at a higher intensity.

Boru.

Sorry that bit wasn't very clear, I'm aware that steroids obviously accelerated their recovery rate and agression etc, but I was trying to point out that had they stayed at the same training level and taken steroids they wouldn't have just become super karateka with giant muscles. It takes a near superhuman level of effort to get as good as they were, to train at that level of intensity even with steroids providing a greater work capacity and recovery period.

I'm more than confident had they not taken the steroids, they still would have trained as hard as humanly possible and still "wupped all our candy asses."

The factor that beat us was their training and conditioning, not artifical chemicals. Steroids were a factor that facilitated that training, but to borrow a phrase, I've never seen steroids deliver a roundhouse kick to the ribs that was so perfectly timed and precise that it knocked an experienced fighter out cold.

quozl

Boru. wrote:

The factor that beat us was their training and conditioning, not artifical chemicals.

Their maximum level of training and conditioning was only possible because of the steroids.

I'm more than confident had they not taken the steroids, they still would have trained as hard as humanly possible and still "wupped all our candy asses.

That's a totally different point. The fact that even without steroids they still would have been better than you does not change the fact that they can be even better with the steroids. The steroids are just a factor of where they got to but take that factor away and while they still might have been superb they would not have been quite as good.

That small difference between the best they can be without steroids and the best they can be with steroids may be the difference between 1st and 2nd in a competition. Or it may be the difference between 1st and 10th.

And that ridiculous quote is a deliberate attempt to mislead people or a demonstration of crass stupidity by the original person , I know you're just paraphrasing it flippantly but I can't see it bandied around without pointing out the flaws in it -

So someone still has to put in work to be the best even with steroids? If without the steroids they'd have been second best then the only reason they're the best now is the drugs. They can lie to themselves all they want, sensible people don't need to be spouting that crap though.

Dragan

quozl wrote:

So someone still has to put in work to be the best even with steroids? If without the steroids they'd have been second best then the only reason they're the best now is the drugs. They can lie to themselves all they want, sensible people don't need to be spouting that crap though.

Pretty much sums up my feelings on things to be honest.

daveirl

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Dragan

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As far as i am aware it's referred to as the "closing door" effect. You have a limited window of opportuinity to do something for yourself, so you really give it socks basically.

Some funky studies have been done about workout load and reward/punishment within a certain timeframe vs open ended scale of measurement.

Basically people put under a time limit were far more productive at a give task, even very complex ones, while those with the open ended "just finish when you finish" time frame we a lot slower, even when told how fast other people had done it.

If you add that extra benefit of "i have 8 weeks to really do something" then you can do a lot more than you thought.

Personally its how i try and be all the time.

poobum

just curious but...how long do steroids stay in ur system? like is it permenant? or what...if you took them fora year of cycling...how long would you need to of stopped b4 they are out of ur system?

Dragan

poobum wrote:

just curious but...how long do steroids stay in ur system? like is it permenant? or what...if you took them fora year of cycling...how long would you need to of stopped b4 they are out of ur system?

Once again that depends entirely upon the substances that were used as by there very nature they all have different half lives.

daveirl

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poobum

daveirl wrote:

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both auctually! im just curious...like iv hear of athlethes going on serious steroid benders for 2 years and i mean working their asses off to get to topshape(not just taking them and not working or eating right...i mean doing everything right) then taking a year off the roids and continuing to work ass off...then after the year competing in the sport at high levels...passing all tests...this seems wrong to me...but im just curious is it rumour or can it be done...if so then is there any way to know if top athlethes are after taking this "short cut or advantage against the honest guys using their own ass not roids" or if they are the real ****!

peterk19

poobum wrote:

just curious but...how long do steroids stay in ur system? like is it permenant? or what...if you took them fora year of cycling...how long would you need to of stopped b4 they are out of ur system?

Depends on the steroid and if its a short (fast acting) or Long(slow acting) ester, but anything from a few day for testosterone propenate to 4-7 weeks for the likes of testosterone enathanate, im not sure how long there detectable for though but im pretty sure once test levels drop the steroid is undetectable,

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