SE On Thursday's

RichardB2

Have been playing the DC On Thursdays and keep running into
the same heads and losing so any help would be nice

Villian 1) Paul, heavy chap who wears a hat and seems friendly and gives a running commentary on what he's thinking while he bets!!! I figure him to chase draws too often but somehow they always hit when I call.

Villain 2) Declan, quiet bloke who wears glasses. Plays like the quintessential rock but I know for a fact he's pushed me off better hands on a few occcasions.

Villain 3) Joe, short greying hair who tells an unending stream of bad beat stories. I figure him to be rather loose but again when I think he's on a steal he invariably isn't.

Maybe I'm mis-reading them 'cos I refuse to accept the other obvious conclusion about my competance. Playing tonight so any comments or tactical suggestions will be tested straight away.

BigCityBanker

RichardB2 wrote:

Villain 3) Joe, short greying hair who tells an unending stream of bad beat stories. I figure him to be rather loose but again when I think he's on a steal he invariably isn't.

Number 3.... Are you mistaken - I can not think of any guy named Joe who tells bad beat stories.

ianmc38

RichardB2 wrote:

Have been playing the DC On Thursdays and keep running into
the same heads and losing so any help would be nice

Villian 1) Paul, heavy chap who wears a hat and seems friendly and gives a running commentary on what he's thinking while he bets!!! I figure him to chase draws too often but somehow they always hit when I call.

Villain 2) Declan, quiet bloke who wears glasses. Plays like the quintessential rock but I know for a fact he's pushed me off better hands on a few occcasions.

Villain 3) Joe, short greying hair who tells an unending stream of bad beat stories. I figure him to be rather loose but again when I think he's on a steal he invariably isn't.

Maybe I'm mis-reading them 'cos I refuse to accept the other obvious conclusion about my competance. Playing tonight so any comments or tactical suggestions will be tested straight away.

Lol. Please give me more profiles. They were all very amusing.

All of the above have very exploitable tendencies. Joe can never let go of top pair. Declan is ok, but very tight passive. Paul has about a million tells. Watch out for his cunning speechplay. When he says "ah sure i'll gamble" he usually has the nuts or a monster

El Stuntman

RichardB2 wrote:

Villain 3) Joe, short greying hair who tells an unending stream of bad beat stories.

don't know about your poker but you'ld make an excellent witness in court, LOL, you have "Moaning Joe" down pat!!

RichardB2

Not really looking for advice on these ones
but for the sake of causing further offence;

1) General Zito, baseball cap wearing gentleman of middle eastern origin.
Plays only top 10 starting hands but invariably slow plays 'em down
to inevitable suck-out resulting in a violent & incoherrent outburst

2) Norman, bullet headed short ass usually dressed in black.
Values aggression as the holy grail of poker play and uses it well to
instill terror in his foes but prone to tilt when the inevitable happens.

3) Vera, blonde glamour doll from a different era.
Plays a tight game based on her pocket cards but rarely allows positional considerations to cloud the decision, treat a flat call with the respect you'd normally accord a re-raise and her stare from behind the dark glasses is epic.

4) Chief Tony, wild eyed luck-box of epic proportions in red sweater.
Laughs in the face of all this modern "value bet" non-sense and hand selection is based solely on the sucking out qualities of his cards.

ianmc38

LOl. WP.

LuckyLloyd

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BigCityBanker

I love it.

I love when you hit on the General - he bursts into a tirade of incoherent abuse.

5starpool

BigCityBanker wrote:

I love it.

I love when you hit on the General - he bursts into a tirade of incoherent abuse.

Or when he sees someone he likes with a big stack and declares 'If you no win this I kill you'. If you get heads up in a pot with him he is insulted if you bet at him. Favourite general phrases:

1. Allbody peoples play.
2. Jack no open, man have asses.
3. Very young, very clever man.
4. Zitto.
5. I kiiill you.
6. 100 Aero.

peeko

I'm so missing out by not playing live...

ionapaul

peeko wrote:

I'm so missing out by not playing live...

Playing live is to playing online as....

...a dinner in Shannahans on the Green is to chowing down on day old cold pizza

...a holiday in Hawaii is to a wet weekend in Bundoran

...Ireland beating England 1-0 in Euro 88 is to our sorry performance a few weeks ago against Cyprus

Well, at least as far as enjoyment goes, not that other making money business that's important to some of us!

Dub13

peeko wrote:

I'm so missing out by not playing live...

Yes you are.

El Stuntman

RichardB2 wrote:

Not really looking for advice on these ones
but for the sake of causing further offence;

1) General Zito, baseball cap wearing gentleman of middle eastern origin.
Plays only top 10 starting hands but invariably slow plays 'em down
to inevitable suck-out resulting in a violent & incoherrent outburst

2) Norman, bullet headed short ass usually dressed in black.
Values aggression as the holy grail of poker play and uses it well to
instill terror in his foes but prone to tilt when the inevitable happens.

3) Vera, blonde glamour doll from a different era.
Plays a tight game based on her pocket cards but rarely allows positional considerations to cloud the decision, treat a flat call with the respect you'd normally accord a re-raise and her stare from behind the dark glasses is epic.

4) Chief Tony, wild eyed luck-box of epic proportions in red sweater.
Laughs in the face of all this modern "value bet" non-sense and hand selection is based solely on the sucking out qualities of his cards.

possibly the funniest post I've ever read on here, excellent work

I'd add some myself but it would only be a hollow imitation

maybe a Boards database of player profiles a la the Hendon Mob may be in order?

eoghan104

The Chief was in flying form last niight! All throughout the night you could here cheers of " hes been chiefed " whenever another he knocked someone out. Not very classy but funny all the same!! He luckboxed his way to the final table and proceeded to call an all in with K 10 which proved no match for the poor fellahs Pockets tens. As the dejected soul left the table all he could here was Anto jeering in his ear as he proclaimed " haha he got chiefed he got chiefed"........

So we were down to six and the chief limps from UTG for 3,000. I push in the cutoff with 35d and everyone folds to the chief. He goes into the tank for what seemed like an eternity asking me do i have a pair and stuff. I put him on hand like QJ and eventually he makes the call...........

......... What did he have?

LuckyLloyd

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eoghan104

haha no........

LuckyLloyd

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BigCityBanker

eoghan104 wrote:

......... What did he have?

Tell us - the suspense... Pocket 2's and they held up.

5starpool

eoghan104 wrote:

......... What did he have?

65sooooted

Dub13

5starpool wrote:

65sooooted

Monster.

eoghan104

..... Q 3 Offsuit........ Q on the flop!!:rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

eoghan104 wrote:

..... Q 3 Offsuit........ Q on the flop!!:rolleyes:

Great call. That's why you could never be the chief Eoghan, not enough imagination.

kevthecelt

Truly appalling, a donkey of immense proportions

eoghan104

5starpool wrote:

Great call. That's why you could never be the chief Eoghan, not enough imagination.

I know i wish i wast so bound by the constraints of poker norms!

LuckyLloyd

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Washout

your right Lyodd the thing that gets me the most is his thinking mode....some players go into pretence thinking mode to sweat a player and fold..but i dont think i have ever seen him let a hand go when it takes him a while to make a decision.

to me he seems like he can look into the future checks what the board will be comes back to present day and calls.

5starpool

Washout wrote:

your right Lyodd the thing that gets me the most is his thinking mode....some players go into pretence thinking mode to sweat a player and fold..but i dont think i have ever seen him let a hand go when it takes him a while to make a decision.

to me he seems like he can look into the future checks what the board will be comes back to present day and calls.

Kinda like Bill and Ted?

Bill: Dude we need you Dad's keys.
Ted: Why don't we go back in time later, steal my Dads keys and leave them behind that bush over there?
(Guitar motions when keys are behind bush)

Classic.

BigCityBanker

Lads I think its high time people started giving the chief a little more respect for his play. All the positive variance in the world wouldnt lead him to as many final tables. To be fair he aint thick and considers many things - he is well able to vary his play and whilst he might not have "all that maths stuff and pot odds thing" down to a tee he certainly has a fair gra for how the game is played and what people are likely to do in certain situations - somebody pushing with 3 5 with position being one thing last night. Its not as if he got his chips over the line on a whim - as is outlined he went into the tank and had a big think about it - you can be sure he considered relative stack sizes, potential damage and the opponents play throughout the night and the opponents need to start robbing a few blinds. IMO this is an excellent call - not a luckbox chief job as ppl may want to publicise it as. I can assure you if this was the final table of the recent boards game which many on here watched and participated in and Dave Masters made that call on Reggie then this forum would have lit up with posts about the amazing call by DM. I dont think we would have been reading about DM Luckboxing his way to a big pot with a ridiculous call?

Alright the chief needs to brush up his play at final tables and probably isnt translating his final table appearences into wins - but come on - the man is playing no more than 18months. Sit back and watch his play - he can play and I for one do not underestimate him, cant wait to see the way he dominated the pros over in Cardiff - he is a nice guy who enjoys the craic and there is no real badness in him towards other players - ok he likes to give a bit of "youv been chiefed" but we have to live with that. The chief has a big tourney victory in him - its just a matter of time.

Hail to the Chief....

eoghan104

eoghan104 wrote:

I know i wish i wast so bound by the constraints of poker norms!

I dont think he thought he was ahead in fairness. He thought i had a pair and id say his reasoning is that he had one overcard to hit and thats why he called!! I just thought it was hilarious how far behind i really was!!!

BigDragon

Dub13 wrote:

Yes you are.

Pot say hello to kettle

eoghan104

BigCityBanker wrote:

Lads I think its high time people started giving the chief a little more respect for his play. All the positive variance in the world wouldnt lead him to as many final tables. To be fair he aint thick and considers many things - he is well able to vary his play and whilst he might not have "all that maths stuff and pot odds thing" down to a tee he certainly has a fair gra for how the game is played and what people are likely to do in certain situations - somebody pushing with 3 5 with position being one thing last night. Its not as if he got his chips over the line on a whim - as is outlined he went into the tank and had a big think about it - you can be sure he considered relative stack sizes, potential damage and the opponents play throughout the night and the opponents need to start robbing a few blinds. IMO this is an excellent call - not a luckbox chief job as ppl may want to publicise it as. I can assure you if this was the final table of the recent boards game which many on here watched and participated in and Dave Masters made that call on Reggie then this forum would have lit up with posts about the amazing call by DM. I dont think we would have been reading about DM Luckboxing his way to a big pot with a ridiculous call?

Alright the chief needs to brush up his play at final tables and probably isnt translating his final table appearences into wins - but come on - the man is playing no more than 18months. Sit back and watch his play - he can play and I for one do not underestimate him, cant wait to see the way he dominated the pros over in Cardiff - he is a nice guy who enjoys the craic and there is no real badness in him towards other players - ok he likes to give a bit of "youv been chiefed" but we have to live with that. The chief has a big tourney victory in him - its just a matter of time.

Hail to the Chief....

I agree with some of what your saying BCB but he was bein a dick last night the way he jeered ppl when he sucked out on them. He does seem sound though and he was tellin me all about his tv appearence and it would seem he did get unlucky.

However, i dont think he is a great player. After making the call last night he was 100% and i mean 100% convinced he was behind (samba or MickeyAA can prove this as they were there) he called with the sole purpose of sucking out. it was for 1/3 of his chips and was the 1st hand hed seen me play and also the first hand that i had played at the final table. It was truly a shocking call and if it was DM or reggie that made it id say the same thing. (they clearly wouldnt do it tho).

Also to say he was dominating the pros is a bit unfounded. We dont know how he played or what he did except for what he has told myself and others (hardly gospel!!)

In fairness i like the chief and hes a good character and an "OK" player but i just hope his new found fame (fuelled by ourselves) does not give him the big head and ego that i suspect it might.

mickste

Eoghan why did u make this move?thats twice now i've seen you at final tables only to throw it away with mediocre hands. even if you were shortstacked surely you could of waited for a better semi bluffing hand?

And remember who you are up against..

ollyk1

mickste wrote:

Eoghan why did u make this move?thats twice now i've seen you at final tables only to throw it away with mediocre hands. even if you were shortstacked surely you could of waited for a better semi bluffing hand?

And remember who you are up against..

In fairness to Eoghan a reraise steal snapping off a weak raise is much more effective then stealing the blinds. Unfortunately the chief didn't laydown his hand and doubly unfortuante that the chief had Eoghan dominated.

If you are having a go at Eoghan saying he's a tilt monkey who tries to get bad players to fold then yes I'd have to agree with you but he doen't say if he was on his usual tilt last night!! lol

LuckyLloyd

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eoghan104

well basically olly you are correct i am a serial tilt monkey. last night it was more desperation than tilt! My reasoning was that i hadnt played a hand for the whole time wed been at the final table so i believed that anyone calling me would need a big hand. I then realised that the chief is prone to limping with muck and ive never seen him limp with a big pair. there was 7,500 in the pot and if my push gets through i increase my stack by 50%. I felt it was worth the risk and at worst hoped I'd be a 6/4 dog. As a 6/4 dog im getting just about those odds.

the chief had been limp folding alot and ive never seen him limp with a monster so that wasnt in my thoughts.

Lloyd, do you think this is a much better push with a hand like QJ or KJ? I dont think so as the likely hands that will be calling my shove are AK-A10 KQ or any pair. therefore id much rather the push with my holding as ive a less chance of bein dominated. In my position there i prefer push with 35 sooooooted than KJ KQ and other hands like them. Is my thinking here completley flawed?

Mick, that night your talking about was a completley different situation as there was no preflop push and it was all post flop play. I read the guy for two high cards and bet the flop turn and river hard. My read was correct and i thought he could have laid down A high on a paired bored for 90% of his chips when hes the chip Leader!!!! Ive no regrets about that hand and to be honest i was looking to win that tourney rather than limp into the money due to the terrible payout structure.

Basically i think my biggest mistake last night was not factoring in the chiefs "different" style and apart from that im happy with the push and would do it again.

LuckyLloyd

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BigCityBanker

As Lloyd and Smurph can vouch for - I think its best to leave the playing of 5 3 offsuit to me.

I have this one down to a tee :cool:

eoghan104

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Well, heres how I see things. Only my opinion mind.

Statistically speaking, getting heads up with KJ or QJ is infinately preferable to 53.I do understand what you are saying about a likely callers hand range containing hands that will have you dominated. But the flip side of the coin is that QJ or KJ will win much more often against a range of 88+, A5+ and K10+ than 53 will.

What it comes down to for me is the fact that if there has been a limper into the pot before you, 53 is no longer a playable hand IMO. You didn't have a massive stack, but you still could have waited a few hands before being forced to make the move all - in.

Moreover, your stack size is not really sufficient to make opponents fold with the kind of frequency required when you are holding a hand like 53.

I assume you have 15,000 (it hasn't been stated but you did say 7500 gave you 50% increase)

Blinds 4,500 + Limp 3000 + shove 15000 = 22500. Therefore the Chief needs to call 12000 to win 22500. Thats not a terrible price to call which means that there is a hell of a lot of hands that limp UTG which can call your shove.

Given that 53 is in the bottom rung of hands when it comes to Heads up rankings, I really think that it is wise to fold every time here and see what the next 5 - 10 hands bring. Ultimately, your shove must get through a majority of times for the move to be profitable and I just don't think it will.

Now, if this thinking is flawed I would really appreciate someone explaining how so - I would benefit greatly.

Lloyd i take all your points on board and im sure you are right. I do feel though that in this situation its a good spot to push. In a normal game i wouldnt do it after a limper but the chief had limp/folded 3 times and i knew hed have raised with a hand he liked. I dont believe that i couldve waited for much longer with 6 BBs and it was literally the 1st hand id been involved in and i thought that might command some respect for the push?

It is interesting about which hands are better to push with taking into account the calling range of our opponent. Everything youve said makes perfect sense but i also believe my thinking has some merit. Id like to hear some other opinions also on this as i think its worth discussing.

eoghan104

BigCityBanker wrote:

As Lloyd and Smurph can vouch for - I think its best to leave the playing of 5 3 offsuit to me.

I have this one down to a tee :cool:

but they were sooooooooooooooooooted!!!!!!!

mickste

eoghan i was just pointing out that you're chances of winning let alone making the money are reduced when playing these kind of hands in that position.

Lafortezza

Dunno if I like people discussing particular characters they play with live, especially when most of it is insulting and those people don't post here to defend themselves.

cardshark202

BigCityBanker wrote:

Lads I think its high time people started giving the chief a little more respect for his play. All the positive variance in the world wouldnt lead him to as many final tables. To be fair he aint thick and considers many things - he is well able to vary his play and whilst he might not have "all that maths stuff and pot odds thing" down to a tee he certainly has a fair gra for how the game is played and what people are likely to do in certain situations - somebody pushing with 3 5 with position being one thing last night. Its not as if he got his chips over the line on a whim - as is outlined he went into the tank and had a big think about it - you can be sure he considered relative stack sizes, potential damage and the opponents play throughout the night and the opponents need to start robbing a few blinds. IMO this is an excellent call - not a luckbox chief job as ppl may want to publicise it as. I can assure you if this was the final table of the recent boards game which many on here watched and participated in and Dave Masters made that call on Reggie then this forum would have lit up with posts about the amazing call by DM. I dont think we would have been reading about DM Luckboxing his way to a big pot with a ridiculous call?

Alright the chief needs to brush up his play at final tables and probably isnt translating his final table appearences into wins - but come on - the man is playing no more than 18months. Sit back and watch his play - he can play and I for one do not underestimate him, cant wait to see the way he dominated the pros over in Cardiff - he is a nice guy who enjoys the craic and there is no real badness in him towards other players - ok he likes to give a bit of "youv been chiefed" but we have to live with that. The chief has a big tourney victory in him - its just a matter of time.

Hail to the Chief....

Lol. If Dave called a 15 BB push or whatever with Q3 then he would be a donk. I have nothing against the cheif but he will go broke eventually.

DapperGent

BigCityBanker wrote:

All the positive variance in the world wouldnt lead him to as many final tables.

Dunno the guy personally but yes it would.

Ste05

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Statistically speaking, getting heads up with KJ or QJ is infinately preferable to 53.I do understand what you are saying about a likely callers hand range containing hands that will have you dominated. But the flip side of the coin is that QJ or KJ will win much more often against a range of 88+, A5+ and K10+ than 53 will.

Not really,
53s is about 35% against this range;
KJ is about 40% against this range; and
QJ is about 37% against this range.
IMO this isn't that big a difference, as you're really hoping your FE is sufficient.

I think this was a fine move, if only the target was a bit mis-judged. Your FE was probably quite a bit lower than needed. But I'd certainly prefer a move like this to just taking down the blinds in a short while.

Samba

He thought he was a mile behind but felt "he had to call"

He's a donk who's learnt a few moves, he can play big pairs well, just has too much gamble in him and the voice of the chief inevitably will fade.....

eoghan104

Samba wrote:

He thought he was a mile behind but felt "he had to call"

He's a donk who's learnt a few moves, he can play big pairs well, just has too much gamble in him and the voice of the chief inevitably will fade.....

How did you finish up in the end samba? and mick that was sitting on your left? I hope one of you took it down!!!

Samba

Mick took me out in 5th...bad timing on my behalf, went for blind theftage with 89d and Mick came over the top of me i had to call with half my chips in the middle, Mick's AK was good enough.

I was well dissapointed with my play. one key pot which should have seen me wrap the tournament up was folding 66 to a 2k raise (i had over 42k at this point)I put the player on a bigger pair and so passed them up with position...flop 10K6.... that was a 70k pot

modmuffin

I chopped it with the guy in seat 7 & took 2nd, for 750 plus the epm ticket. He had a 2/1 chip lead & it was 3am so i was happy enough to chop it. chief came 3rd.
tbh i shouldve taken it down, with 4 left i had 110k of the 250k in play. i got a lil unlucky in a monster pot that crippled me.
was that you samba with the 89s?

eoghan, regarding your push, i didnt like it soley because it was the chief had limped, it was a nice play but the chiefs range is too wide here, it wouldve been great if you could have chiefed the chief though

i was on the same table as the chief for most of last night, and i must say i was impressed with (some of) his play. he made a few crazy calls alright but he had most of the table running scared all night and picked up countless pots uncontested. he's definately improved alot in recent months, he's some craic aswell.

Hectorjelly

eoghan104 wrote:

So we were down to six and the chief limps from UTG for 3,000. I push in the cutoff with 35d and everyone folds to the chief. He goes into the tank for what seemed like an eternity asking me do i have a pair and stuff. I put him on hand like QJ and eventually he makes the call...........

......... What did he have?

why did you push? were you trying to lose?

a147pro

you cannot bluff a bad player. only cards can beat them.

can someone please give a good description of the chief, or a link to a photo he sounds a legend i'd love to see if i know him.

you've been very hard on Norman. lovely gentle fellow, charming, regails the table with a varied and interesting meditation on politics, philosophy and the like. takes beats with the grace of Greg Raymer and never gets in a dispute about wholly unimportant things or requires a ruling. Lovely chap. Reminds me a lot of Nelson Mandela.