Dead man spoofing

Mad Finn

Anybody read this arrogant load of twaddle from Ronan O'Gara in the Guardian yesterday?

Good time to come out with a load of patronising ****e like that Ronan. Telling everybody in England they're over rated and that the Guinness Premiership is not as tough as the Magners League the week before the Heineken Cup kicks off.

Gob****es who slag off their opponents en masse and claim that they are the best in their position in Europe by default because the competition is so poor are leaving themselves wide open to copping a hiding on the pitch.

And aren't you the guy who was beaten to a pulp a few years ago by a diminutive Australian full back called Duncan McRae? God help you when you run into the Leicester pack.

I would't mind normally but you're the only out half Ireland has at the moment with Humphries in retirement and Contepomi being too Argentinian to play for us. We're going to need you in the 6N and World Cup.

Methinks you stand a good chance of missing one or both through injury.

You bloody fool.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

he can say it because he is a world class player... and he pushed Humphrey's to one side well before his retirement... and rightly so, Humphrey's wouldn't hold Ronans coat.
and only for Ronan and the rest of the Munster (European Champions) squad we wouldn't even be looking forward to the 6N. They should just put out Munster for the 6N, we would have a better chance of winning that championship as well.

bring on the over rated opposition from the England, Scotland and France.(cant include Wales, their players aren't even rated) With a team like Munster, we are not worried.....

zAbbo

He's right about the Premiership, you'd swear you were watching some huge battle the way the commentators go on. Like last season Tom Varndell was being heralded as a world beater, good enough to play against Austrailia in test rugby, and now he's loaned out to League 1 side Bedford!

He's right about FH's in Europe, there are some good one's in the Premiership (Goode/Barkeley/Hodgson) but none have shown consistent form in test rugby.

A lot of what RoG is saying is true, especially this

O'Gara snorts at the familiar English lament that their players suffer most in European and international rugby because they're depleted by the sheer physicality of the Premiership. "It's a convenient excuse, isn't it? They like to think Munster are taking it easy in-between European matches. It's a lot of rubbish. Each week we're playing strong and physical teams."

Although, with Munsters position in the ML, he can hardly be too boisterous

Mad Finn

zabbo wrote:

A lot of what RoG is saying is true,

I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying he should have kept his bloody mouth shut.

I'm not saying Humphreys should be first choice. I'm saying that with Humphreys gone, we don't have a second choice. Therefore keeping O'Gara in one piece is vital.

What the feck was he thinking about, mouthing off like that to a South African working for an English paper. Call himself a Corkman? He'll be kicked out of the cute hoor's union for that one.

Expect to see O'Gara, er, targeted by English opposition in the Heineken Cup. Especially his often frail temperament. Remember Paul Volley?

I love Felipe Cotepomi and would willingly have his children if I had a womb but Leinster had better find a decent Irish backup out half FAST!!!! World Cup is only a year away.

Amz

Not the first time he's made comments like these. I find it funny though that the Guardian felt it was important enough to put on the front page of their sports section.

cgarvey

RoG is just saying it like he sees it. He probably will be targeted by an English player, but then he was going to be anyway surely? Think most would agree on the premiership comment.

So RoG has a frail temperament, but the Doc doesn't? Hmmm!

Amz

Ronan O'Gara is always targetted in games, so it wouldn't be the first time. I can't believe Mad Finn's getting so worked up about it.

Sky are constantly blowing up the English players profiles to the point that they (the players) begin to believe the hype as much as many of the fans do.

CJhaughey

I remember Andrew Sheridan (strongest man in the world) being hyped by the media , only to discover that he was average in New Zealand.....

Mad Finn

Amz wrote:

Not the first time he's made comments like these. I find it funny though that the Guardian felt it was important enough to put on the front page of their sports section.

It's called giving an idiot enough rope to hang himself.

If an English player had said that, with as much justification, about Irish players it would have fired the whole nation up. It has done, in fact. Remember 1993?

You probably don't. England and France tied on points going into the last weekend of the 5N. France were to play Wales, England were to play Ireland at Lansdowne. Points difference might have to be employed to separate the teams. Comments from the pundits: 'We all know who's going to win each game, it's just a matter of how many points France and England can score"

Justifiable? Well, at the time Ireland hadn't beaten Scotland for five years, England for six, France for 10, Australia for 14, South Africa for 28 and New Zealand for ever. In that whole decade of the 1990s we would win just seven matches against top class opposition. We would lose repeatedly to Italy, including once at home. Western Samoa would beat us at Lansdowne Road.

They had every right to make those disparagaing comments. So what happened? Ireland went out and beat England off the park winning 17-3.

I'll be having a bet on Munster losing their unbeaten HC record at Thomond this year. And largely because of O'Gara getting all 'English' with the media.

Feck it, he's only a yank anyway.

Sangre

Rofl...just rofl.

RoG is targetted in *every* match he plays. Any outhalf is, but especially him as he can be a defensive weak link against very physical players.

Jilm

Mad Finn wrote:

It's called giving an idiot enough rope to hang himself.

I think you're overreacting. I don't think he'll be targetted anymore then usual. He's bulked up more than usual for this season so he mightn't be as soft a target as some expect him to be.

btw Justin Marshal - who has played in both leagues - has chimed in, agreeing with O'Gara.

Sangre

Jilm wrote:

I think you're overreacting. I don't think he'll be targetted anymore then usual. He's bulked up more than usual for this season so he mightn't be as soft a target as some expect him to be.

btw Justin Marshal - who has played in both leagues - has chimed in, agreeing with O'Gara.

"The best sides in Europe take their chances. English, French and Italian teams all present different challenges and we cannot look any further ahead than Friday's game."

No Ireland then?

Jilm

Sangre wrote:

"The best sides in Europe take their chances. English, French and Italian teams all present different challenges and we cannot look any further ahead than Friday's game."

No Ireland then?

He was talking about the Ospreys HEC group which has no Irish team in it. Being a Welsh side, they won't be thinking beyond the pool stages anyway

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Mad Finn wrote:

Feck it, he's only a yank anyway.

a yank who brought home the European cup for Munster...we could do with more of them.

Mad Finn

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

a yank who brought home the European cup for Munster...we could do with more of them.

Yeah it was all down to him. :rolleyes:

His remarks have not gone unnoticed in Leicester.

From today's Guardian.

"It makes you smile. . .players of his experience don't normally give other teams that sort of ammunition," said [assistant coach Richard] Cockerill, no stranger to winding up opponents himself during his playing days. "But, fair play, they're European champions and we're not. If they want to stick themselves up there as favourites that's fine. But we're not a bad team either. Let's just see what happens on Sunday."

TarfHead

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

a yank who brought home the European cup for Munster...we could do with more of them.

Bet you weren't thinking THAT when he pushed the kick wide against Northampton in Twickenham ?

I agree with the OP - why shoot your mouth off now ?

MikeHoncho

Speaking as an "Irish Rugby fan" who has for years followed my national team aswell as both Leinster and Munster I am simply fed up with the arrogance coming from Munster fans and players alike since the end of last season.

Even though a Leinster fan I have always supported Munster in their quest for European greatness and one of my most vivid rugby memories is being in a pub in Cork watching Leicster cheat their way to victory against Munster and I was as angry as any born and bred cork man in the room.

But ever since Munster won that SF last year I have found it harder and harder to support them. Not because im bitter but because of the chants of "easy" from the Munster fans. Because of the comments of people like ROG. Munster aint winning anything this year if they continue to perform like they are in the Magners League and I think they will have a much tougher challenge on Sunday than ROG is giving Leicster credit for.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

MikeHoncho wrote:

But ever since Munster won that SF last year I have found it harder and harder to support them. Not because im bitter but because of the chants of "easy" from the Munster fans.

well it wasn't exactly a hard game for Munster...in fact could you pick another example, because it was one of Munsters less challenging games and that's not because Munster played better that they have ever played in the tournament its because leinster didn't step up to the mark they didn't even show up to the game.

DáireM

This chap is meant to be a professional athlete and he goes shooting his mouth off like that!

I'll agree that English players are overhyped and not worthy of the praise they receive but talking about fellow players like that is not acceptable, I did think that it was absolutely hilarious, mind you.

RuggieBear

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

well it wasn't exactly a hard game for Munster...in fact could you pick another example, because it was one of Munsters less challenging games and that's not because Munster played better that they have ever played in the tournament its because leinster didn't step up to the mark they didn't even show up to the game.

less trolling from you please. consider this a warning.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

RuggieBear wrote:

less trolling from you please. consider this a warning.

excuse me, that isn't a troll its a fact, and I'm answering the previous poster comments on Munster fans chanting "easy",it wasn't a hard game for Munster, they walked through leinster that day...

he also said the he wouldn't support Munster after that day, and again i said that winning wasn't so much Munster being super great but it was because leinster were super bad...
no lies their

how can you say that was a troll. explain to me how that is a troll please.
i hope you not taking off your moderators jersey and putting on a certain teams jersey

RuggieBear

banned.

Twas a warning after all. and insulting me is hardly going to do you any favours now is it.

Munster did not walk thru leinster that day. Munster dominated the game by not allowing Leinster to play. Leinster were made to look very bad as Munster played well and to their strengths and targeted the main Leinster playmaker.

Amz

Funny, his original post was less abusive.

Silly troll.

Mad Finn

Speaking as a Leinster fan there is a huge amount to admire about Munster and their behaviour, both players and fans in the Heineken Cup over the years.

Any team would kill to have the travelling support Munster does. The culture of silence when an opponent is taking a kick at goal at Thomond Park is commendable. Their attitude in the run up to the HC final last year was first class. They were able to stay focussed and determined without any of the 'make sure at all costs' horse **** that England, say, had to go through to win the Grand Slam in 2003 (refusing to move out of the Irish places on the red carpet, bringing their own balls etc etc).

OK so they targeted Contepomi in the SF, got him penalised for retaliation and messed with his head completely. But he got his own back a few weeks ago, not least when O'Gara set him up to create Leinster's first try, and may well do so again this season. (As long as he doesn't do it in France next October).

But why, when Munster have this image and reputation as the worthy honest-to-goodness blue collar champions do they have to strut about like a lot of soccer playing galacticos looking down on their rivals?

It's not as if O'Gara is all that earth shattering. He's the best Ireland have at 10 at the moment (now that's really not saying much) but I can think of several Irish outhalves I have seen who were much better.

I would put him behind Ollie Cambell, Tony Ward, Eric Elwood and Brian Smith in the pantheon of Irish outhalves that I have seen and I would put him level with Humphries at his best. I don't recall seeing Gibson play out half and Jack Kyle who by all accounts was in another league altogether was way before my time.

Mouthing off like O'Gara did, is just counter productive, unless you're somebody like David Campese (who always had brilliant team mates to help him anyway) who can back up the bull with action.

marius

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thirtyfoot

Mad Finn wrote:

who can back up the bull with action.

Its not bull, its true, english club rugby is over hyped due to sky sports. English football is over hyped too and in fact everything on sky sports is over hyped. Its not the first time O' Gara has said this, he has said before that Irish players began to realise that they shouldn't have a complex because they were coming up against so called great English teams, the provinces and the national teams have followed these sentiments up with action many times in the past 5/6 years by beating the best of the english clubs. Sky sports would try make tea-making dramatic.

As for bad timing, why not stir it up a bit, winners and champions aren't afraid of pressure and they thrive on it, its those who consciously try and avoid it who end up being losers. O' Gara is not an all-time great and I don't he is claiming to be, but he is the out-half of the reigning European Champions, so he is entitled to have a bit of swagger.

I read the article and thought "spot on, hit the nail on the head there", mainly because of the sh*te you normally hear from Sky Sports.

marius

Mad Finn wrote:

Mouthing off like O'Gara did, is just counter productive, unless you're somebody like David Campese (who always had brilliant team mates to help him anyway) who can back up the bull with action.

No, no it is not....what he is trying to do, and indeed what Munster and to a lesser extent Leinster and Ulster are trying to do is to change the crazy 'Oirish' psyche about always underestimating yourself to try to make yourselves the 'plucky' underdog. That just is not good enough anymore - Munster are a better team than Leicester - they have no need to go into the match trying to make out that they are the underdogs. All that attitude has ever done is prepare your excuses for the enivatable defeat.

It is the Roy Keane effect, plucky loosing is b0ll0x and it is not good enough. O'Gara is just telling it like it is, Irish Rubgy is ahead of English Rugby, the Magners League is probably at a higher level that the Premiership. He is not an idiot - he knows he will be targeted, he also knows that he is targeted in every match so why not say it.

You never heard the dominant Leicester team led by Martin Johnson considering themsevles underdogs no matter where they went and that is what made them a great team - half the battle was already won by the time they stepped onto the pitch.

That is what O'Gara and Munster are trying to do and personally I think it is great. He is not being arrogant - he is just refusing to go down the traditional road of Irish sporting life.....'ah sure we'll give it our best shot and hopefully it will be good enough......'

Leinster Fan btw.

Amazotheamazing

Firstly, neither O'Gara or Humphries deserved to be Irish first choice for so long, both are limited players who have been outclassed numerous times when playing for Ireland, or against some of the top teams in the HEC. If O'Driscoll (our only worldclass player) had said that he might have got away with it, O'Gara is deluded if he thinks he's anywhere near what a top-level outhalf should be. It's a source of absolute bafflement to me that Ireland hasn't produced a better outhalf in the last 10 years, but we haven't so we're stuck with O'Gara.

On the point of Munster arrogance, the semi wasn't an easy game and we only pulled away in the last 10 or 15 minutes. If I recall correctly, the chants of "easy, easy" only happened after Halstead's try, or in the last few minutes? Eitherway, while it wasn't something I'd like to see, it was only at the end of the game. Since the game I don't you could accuse any Munster player (except the vastly overrated O'Gara) of arrogance.

Mad Finn

marius wrote:

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It is the Roy Keane effect, ........

I think you're dead right there. The parallels are so obvious

marius wrote:

That is what O'Gara and Munster are trying to do and personally I think it is great.

I think you're dead wrong there. A little bit of success, goes to his head and suddenly he thinks he can slag off others as being over rated. I'm not going to rake over the coals of the Mad Mayfield Man's exploits because if we do, we'll probably end up with restrictions like the poor proles on the soccer board have.

But Roy Keane FAILED at the World Cup in 2002 and he ultimately FAILED at the end of his days in United. His criticisms, and the way he made them were counter productive in each case.

We won't agree on that, I'm sure. So we'll just have to differ. .

zAbbo

I'd rate Stephen Jones as better than him, maybe even Ollie Barkley.

RuggieBear

zabbo wrote:

I'd rate Stephen Jones as better than him, maybe even Ollie Barkley.

I'd agree with that...

zabbo wrote:

...maybe even Ollie Barkley.

:eek: What are you smoking????:p

damnyanks

RuggieBear wrote:

banned.

Twas a warning after all. and insulting me is hardly going to do you any favours now is it.

Munster did not walk thru leinster that day. Munster dominated the game by not allowing Leinster to play. Leinster were made to look very bad as Munster played well and to their strengths and targeted the main Leinster playmaker.

Sorry but thats your opinion. Maybe I'm missing something but if he's banned for expressing his opinion I think that incredibly harsh. He doesn't go out of his way to insult anyone.

Although hsi accusation doesn't help his position it can be easily pointed towards a defensive reaction.

Erin Go Brath

I cant agree with ROG saying what he said to the guardian. Even if you think that Ireland are better than England, and Munster are better than Leicester, the pitch is the place you prove it not by indulging in idle claptrap. What more motivation do Leicester, and for that matter England need when they play us? Agree with the original posters statement that ROG is "a bloody fool". Just hope his comments dont come back to haunt him at Welford Road on Sunday!!!!

daveirl

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Amz

I agree with his view that the English premiership is overhyped, but his view of himself is a little eh ... deluded.

His game is severely lacking in certain key respects and as others have said Stephen Jones is a far superior number 10. I just hope O'Gara learns to tackle and/or defend before the 6N/World Cup, but I won't hold my breath.

RuggieBear

Probably just as well that POC got the Munster captaincy rather than ROG. Have always been very impressed by POC's easy manner when being interviewed either before or after a game.

Amz

I can't see O'Gara as captain material though. POC seems like a natural leader and as you say he does seem very at ease when being interviewed never goes OTT.

marius

Mad Finn wrote:

A little bit of success, goes to his head and suddenly he thinks he can slag off others as being over rated.

It is not about whether O'Gara is a brilliant 10 or not, we all know his shortcomings and I would rate Jones ahead of him - as has been stated. It is about Munster going over to Leicester and not being afraid, it is about them saying that they are going to win. It is about them sending out the message that they are a good team and that Welford Road will not intimidate them. If they dont win - which is entirely possible then they and O'Gara will have to take some stick. But he is obviously prepared to take it, the alternative is trying to stick yourself with the 'plucky underdog' tag but all that has ever done it make excuses for your defeat - before you have even played the match

Like I said I think it is a great attitude to have - an attitude that you have to have if you want to succeed/be a winner in professional sport.

Mad Finn

marius wrote:

It is not about whether O'Gara is a brilliant 10 or not

Well there's no argument there.

marius wrote:

It is about Munster going over to Leicester and not being afraid, it is about them .....sending out the message that they are a good team and that Welford Road will not intimidate them.

That's not what he said. It is entirely possible to put that point of view across without rubbishing the opposition, or identifying players by name as being 'over rated'

marius wrote:

the alternative is trying to stick yourself with the 'plucky underdog' tag

Not THE alternative, AN alternative.

Erin Go Brath

marius wrote:

It is about Munster going over to Leicester and not being afraid, it is about them saying that they are going to win. It is about them sending out the message that they are a good team and that Welford Road will not intimidate them. If they dont win - which is entirely possible then they and O'Gara will have to take some stick.

I hear what your saying, but I still think any team should show respect to the opposition. Train hard, go about their business quietly, talk down their chances, and then on matchday go out and kick their asses on the pitch. Saying how great we are, is a bad move imo. It puts needless pressure on.

Agree with the posters who said the big Leicester pack are going to target ROG. Possibly they always were, they DEFINITELY are now!

marius

Mad Finn wrote:

That's not what he said. It is entirely possible to put that point of view across without rubbishing the opposition, or identifying players by name as being 'over rated'

I don't think he named anyone by name as being over rated, the closest he comes is when he says - 'But the job of outfits like Sky Sports, after all, is to boost someone like Charlie . . .' but that is more a comment on Sky Sports than Hodgeson.

Erin Go Brath wrote:

I hear what your saying, but I still think any team should show respect to the opposition.

But he does show respect - when it is due, he says....

O'Gara wrote:

'We've had a few struggles against Leicester in recent years and they're a great club with a very passionate crowd - just like us. Leicester were the benchmark for years with a fantastic set-up featuring a lot of local lads who would die for their club. We share those values.'

he is just saying that The English premiership in general is over-hyped by Sky, which IMO is deffo true (Varndell etc)

This is the only part I would really have an issue with.....

O'Gara wrote:

Mick Galway said we have the x-factor - and that's as good a definition as any of the mystery and wonder of Munster.

Like Munster have some 'mystery and wonder' about them that no other team have......

Mad Finn wrote:

Not THE alternative, AN alternative.

I agree with this to a certain extent, but for too long it has been the hallmark of irish sport to go with the plucky underdog tag. I think that certain people are trying to remove this mindset from professional sport in Ireland and I think it is a good thing.

Mad Finn

damnyanks wrote:

Sorry but thats your opinion. Maybe I'm missing something but if he's banned for expressing his opinion I think that incredibly harsh. He doesn't go out of his way to insult anyone.

Although hsi accusation doesn't help his position it can be easily pointed towards a defensive reaction.

I thought the banning was a harsh decision too. Ok so he was being an annoying Munster fan (if that's not a tautology) but that's no reason to get banned per se.

I think Mr Bear is a bit of a whistle-happy ref. A mod equivalent to Stuart Dickenson.

Amz

I'd have banned him too. He was warned and then he proceeded to post in a similar fashion. If Ruggie was, as you put it "whistle happy" there wouldn't have been a warning and other times when the user was borderline would have earned him a banning earlier.

Mad Finn

marius wrote:

for too long it has been the hallmark of irish sport to go with the plucky underdog tag. I think that certain people are trying to remove this mindset from professional sport in Ireland and I think it is a good thing.

Fair enough as far as it goes. But once removed, what are you going to replace it with?

The same sort of condescending patronising muck that we all know and hate from the likes of Will Carling, Brian Moore, Matt Dawson, Austin Healy etc etc etc?

No thanks.

RuggieBear

Mad Finn wrote:

I think Mr Bear is a bit of a whistle-happy ref. A mod equivalent to Stuart Dickenson.

why i outta.....

phog

Mad Finn wrote:

Anybody read this arrogant load of twaddle from Ronan O'Gara in the Guardian yesterday?

Good time to come out with a load of patronising ****e like that Ronan. Telling everybody in England they're over rated and that the Guinness Premiership is not as tough as the Magners League the week before the Heineken Cup kicks off.

Gob****es who slag off their opponents en masse and claim that they are the best in their position in Europe by default because the competition is so poor are leaving themselves wide open to copping a hiding on the pitch.

And aren't you the guy who was beaten to a pulp a few years ago by a diminutive Australian full back called Duncan McRae? God help you when you run into the Leicester pack.

I would't mind normally but you're the only out half Ireland has at the moment with Humphries in retirement and Contepomi being too Argentinian to play for us. We're going to need you in the 6N and World Cup.

Methinks you stand a good chance of missing one or both through injury.

You bloody fool.

Mad Finn you're the "bloody fool" and also a WUM.

RuggieBear

phog wrote:

Mad Finn you're the "bloody fool" and also a WUM.

personal abuse is not tolerated on this forum.

banned for a week.

Big_G

This behaviour from O'Gara will not be surprise to any true Munster fan, he is reputedly one of the most arrogant players in the Munster squad - this being well known in rugby circles throughout the province and social circles in Cork. You only need have watched him when Hector was down for the Lions and was hanging around with the lads between matches. I thought he acted a consummate prick.

Having said that, I have nothing but respect for his on pitch ability and I feel he has answered all the tough questions in the sport, not least of which was his own consistency (I think maybe at the expense of a modicum of genius). Obviously with the exception of his defence.

To say that he is going to be targeted now is ridiculous, he is already the most targeted outhalf in the game, because of his weak defence. And the comparison between what happened to Ireland in the 5N in 93 is not valid, because we are not talking of national pride here in the true sense of the words, as it likely will be diluted by club loyalties.

The example of the overhyping of Varndell by Sky Sports does not (unfortunately) prove the point as Varndell nearly singlehandedly won all of Englands sevens games last (maybe 2 seasons ago?) season. However, a sevens international does not a union international make. I would have liked to have seen him in an offensive set up that provided a bit more room for him to run. However, the English Premiership is overrated.

In fairness, the whinging from the Leinster fans about chants of 'easy' is hard to understand, after years of abuse concerning Munster's lack of a back line, footballing skills, tactical ability, intelligence, culture, soap and water, etc. that has gone on for years. If all you have to put up with is 'easy' well jaysis, pity about ye. I would seriously doubt that this bothers the players, particularly after their most recent meeting with the Munster men.

Mad Finn

OK So I Googled WUM and deduced that it means Wind Up Merchant.

You might conclude that likening Ruggie Bear's officiousness to the game-wrecking whistle-happiness of Stuart Dickenson is indulging in a wind up, but I deny that anything I said about O'Gara could be so described.

I still think he was wrong to say what he did. In fact, judging by what I've heard of the interview he gave after the game, HE thinks he was wrong to say what he did. It's not a question of the remarks being justified; it's a question of the effect they will have on the opponents. Do you think they will feel any better towards him now after that, or will they want to rub his nose in it even more?

There should be plenty of opportunity for English teams to do that over the course of the season.

Reverse the positions and see how you would feel. Like I said, think back to the first half of the 1990s. England's great five years. Three grand slams.

Ireland were ****e. We only beat two teams of any heritage in the whole 1990s. Wales, who were even worse than we were at the time, and England. (twice in 1993 and 1994). I am convinced that the single biggest reason we upped our game to beat the English was the condescending patronising spew put out by the likes of Brian Moore in particular and the swagger of such as Carling and Guscott. They were good, they could prove it and they said so. Frequently. But we could rub their noses in it when we really wanted to.

There are quite a few teams who really want to stick it to Munster and O'Gara's mouthing didn't help.

That's my honest opinion and if it winds you up, just call me Ronan.

Amz

I think this thread is just repeating itself at this stage.

Mad Finn

Amz wrote:

I think this thread is just repeating itself at this stage.

Well. Better than going off topic, huh? :rolleyes:

There was always going to be a recap after the matches over the weekend. One poster gets the sin bin for a personal attack; another ie me simply points out that Munster's great win doesn't change his initial opinion that O'Gara was wrong, and in the long term stupid, to say what he did.

I agree it's probably run its course at this stage.