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Speed trap list in today's independent

  • 17-10-2006 10:36am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,617 ✭✭✭✭


    From: Irish Independent, Oct 17th (Registration required)
    PLANS for the biggest drive against death on the roads can be revealed today.

    The Irish Independent has obtained exclusive details of a nationwide blitz involving 600 fixed and mobile speed cameras.

    Today, we publish a confidential list of the country's most dangerous roads where the cameras will be positioned.

    The list was drawn up by gardai.

    The safety blitz will be in two phases. From next month, gardai will target more than 400 'red zones' - the most dangerous stretches of road in the country - with the normal range of cameras.

    And within the next 12 months, private operators will be monitoring the same lethal stretches with the 600 extra cameras.

    A list of 975 road stretches, each 8km long, has been drawn up following a year-long investigation involving the Garda Traffic Corps and the National Roads Authority.

    More than 400 stretches of these have been designated 'red zones' and have the highest number of fatal crashes.
    (More in Article)

    Does anyone have a list of the road stretches being targeted? I checked the NRA and Garda websites.....


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Jimmy the cat


    Has anyone seen the list of "red zones" in today's irish independent?
    How real is it?
    My suspicion is that it is a load of bull! -Just a re-hash of what was doing the rounds on email a few weeks ago.
    For example: in North Co Cork they list the N8 from garda station in Rathcormac to John McCarthy's garage in Fermoy. At this stage a good national newspaper should know that the N8 nolonger passes through either town, therefore my suspicions that this is a very old list. I can see other smaller examples that lead me to this conclusion.

    What do people think? I know it's always good to highlight the need to slow down but can a "cry wolf" like this be counter-productive?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    Revealed: the roads targeted for blitz on speed

    PLANS for the biggest drive against death on the roads can be revealed today.

    The Irish Independent has obtained exclusive details of a nationwide blitz involving 600 fixed and mobile speed cameras.

    Today, we publish a confidential list of the country's most dangerous roads where the cameras will be positioned.

    The list was drawn up by gardai.

    The safety blitz will be in two phases. From next month, gardai will target more than 400 'red zones' - the most dangerous stretches of road in the country - with the normal range of cameras.

    And within the next 12 months, private operators will be monitoring the same lethal stretches with the 600 extra cameras.

    A list of 975 road stretches, each 8km long, has been drawn up following a year-long investigation involving the Garda Traffic Corps and the National Roads Authority.

    More than 400 stretches of these have been designated 'red zones' and have the highest number of fatal crashes.

    These will be targeted by the Garda and private speed operators.

    The remainder are designated 'amber' and 'green' zones and are ranked as medium and low collision locations respectively.

    In compiling the list of roads, gardai assigned points of 50, 30 and 20 to fatal, serious and minor collisions respectively.

    The probe involved every garda district in the country supplying full details of all crashes involving fatalities or injury and the location in their area over the past eight years.

    Each zone was then colour-coded based on its score.

    The list reveals that 57pc of the red zones are on main national roads, 41pc on regional roads, and just 2pc on minor roads.

    The majority of the cameras will be located on the 400 plus red zones, but they will also be used on the other stretches identified in the list.

    An annual audit will be carried out on the collision zones every year and changes made to the rating.

    Few of the cameras are to be sited on motorways.

    However, among the red zones to be targeted for new privately operated mobile speed cameras is the Stillorgan dual-carriageway.

    The move is bound to anger RTE broadcaster Pat Kenny who has repeatedly criticised the siting of speed cameras on this road.

    The list has been scientifically drawn up based on the highest number of fatal crashes on our roads' network.

    There were four fatal crashes on the Stillorgan road, three involving serious injury and 65 minor injuries, in the eight years between 1996 and 2004.

    Also on the list is the N4 dual-carriageway at Lucan from the Palmerstown bypass where there were five fatalities, 13 serious injuries and 70 minor injuries.

    Motorists will be told where the cameras will be located.

    The new privately operated speed camera regime will initially involve mobile cameras but will later include fixed "yellow box" cameras.

    The Garda Traffic Corps is to get 60 extra officers every three months as part of the new offensive.

    Chief Supt John Farrelly of the Garda Traffic Corps said yesterday that speed detection from next month would be based on the list with most enforcement targeted at the red zones.

    He insisted the offensive was solely aimed at saving lives and had nothing to do with gathering revenue for the Government.

    "We will tell people where they (the cameras) are going to be. The idea is to stop people speeding.

    "This is an intelligent policing system, putting resources into red zone areas where people are being killed," he said.

    "The idea is to stop people being killed. The cameras will primarily be in red zones where people are being killed because of speed. We want to change the mindset of motorists, to change errant bad behaviour to normal behaviour that will keep them alive."

    http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1706950&issue_id=14770
    (requires free registration)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Jimmy the cat


    Yes but this "confidential" list has circulated before and my point above shows that it is out of date. therefore is this really the garda position or is it just hype? again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Macy


    therefore is this really the garda position or is it just hype? again?
    Well I wouldn't put it past the cops to be using an out of date list, would you?

    I'm very surprised at the Stillorgan Dual Carriageway being included. The only serious incident I remember in my 5 years travelling that road was that incident involving the two gards and the joy riders. Surely stuff like that shouldn't be included in these types of stat's though, as speed camera's are going to do nothing about some scumbag in a stolen car... (If that's included, that'd be 2 of the deaths and 2 of the serious injuries?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    one of the items on the Kerry list is "Poulavone Roundabout to Garryhesta"

    both these places are in Cork, and includes the Ballincollig Bypass


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,617 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    If someone has an Indo there, whats on the Limerick list?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    I believe the N8 DOES still pass through those points Jimmy the Cat - the M8 is a different matter.

    On the other hand the stretch from Watergrasshill to Dunkettle is the N8 and the old road the R-something or other.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Macy wrote:
    I'm very surprised at the Stillorgan Dual Carriageway being included.

    I used to use this road regularly and the gards had a favorite spot outside the Montrose Hotel, half hiding behind a bus stop with speed gun in hand. I have also seen a few likely looking vans parked at the side with blacked out back windows, so it's probably just going to replace these. Will get lots of money from this road as the 60kph limit is regularly broken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Threads merged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Red herring tbh.

    If a road has a lot of deaths and a lot of injuries, it doesn't necessarily follow that the road is a haven for habitual speed limit offenders.

    The compilation of the figures may be scientific, but the application isn't - for this to be effective, you would need to only include accidents where breaking the speed limit is a contributing factor to the cause of the accident, when calculating the dangerousness of the road.

    Now maybe they did, and the Indo excluded this, but I'd be sceptical. The Gardai and the media continually flout speeding as the big bad wolf of Irish motoring, when drink-driving and dangerous driving account for the majority of fatalities on our roads.

    That said, the existence of speed cameras, and big signs saying "Speed Cameras" may help add focus onto people's driving (though it will also cause average speeds on these streches of road to needlessly plummett), and by extension should help with road deaths.

    I think a far more effective solution would be monitored road cameras with inbuilt speed calculators. You have a handful of 24 hour regional control centres who co-ordinate with the traffic corps in their region and instantly update them of any suspicious vehicles, dangerous driving or otherwise relevant traffic information in their region. The footage can be used as evidence for all kinds of road traffic offences, not just for speed and would also be useful for crash investigators if/when a fatal, single-vehicle crash occurs.

    600 cameras, 20 control centres each with 15 staff getting paid 30k/year = €9 million. Could easily generate enough money in prosecutions to fund that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭ballinloughan


    I must be dumb :D .. I checked the link to the Indo on teh previous post but I do not see a list for all the sections of raod that re to be targeted. Can someone please post an entire list of the 400 stretches of road? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    The Garda has published a list of collision prone zones here: http://www.garda.ie/angarda/stats.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Here

    StartZone
    Ballyhale
    Kilkenny Ring Road
    Beehive
    Jack Whites
    Inch
    Ferns
    Ballybofey Townland
    Junction At Carnamaddy
    Roundabout At Bunnagee
    Junction At Moneyhaughly
    Junction At Tonyhabboc
    Lifford Townland
    Letterkenny Side Of White Cross X
    Castlefin Townland
    Bundoran Townland
    Ballyshannon Townland
    Ballynacarrick
    Junction At Laghy
    Junction With Road At Clarlougheask
    Parking At Barnesnore Gap
    Junction At Meenabrack
    Stranorlar Townland
    Sligo
    Drumcliffe
    Grange
    Cliffoney
    Sligo
    Castlegar
    Loughgeorge
    Colloney
    Ballinacarrow
    Achonry
    Tubbercurry
    Kilulla
    Latoon
    Ennis
    Oranmore R/B
    Kilcolgan
    Labane
    Gort
    Shean Upper Flyover
    Tralee
    Victoria Cross
    Poulavone Roundabout
    Garryhesta
    Cluggin Cross
    Tippeary
    Cahir
    Carrigtwohill
    100Kph Sigh At Start Of Castlemartyr
    Propogue
    Slievrue
    The Pike
    Ring Cross
    Rehins, Ballina
    Rehins, Ballina
    Kinsale Road Roundabout
    Carrigaline
    Monaghan
    Moybridge
    Emyvale
    Monaghan
    Clontibret
    Annyalla
    Castleblayney
    Taplagh
    Carrickmacross
    Edenburt
    Virginia
    New Inns
    Lisnananagh
    Pollamore Near
    Ballyshannon Townland
    Boyle
    Sligo
    Collooney
    Castlebaldwin
    Tulsk
    Frenchpark
    Castleblayney
    Clonagore
    Smithboro
    Tullygullin
    Ballinagh
    Junction At Ballyboe
    Junction At Meenagcarry
    Letterkenny Town Boundary
    Inver Village
    Town Boundary At Creeslough
    Junction At Darney
    Dromore Lower
    Town Boundary At Dunfanaghy
    Galway
    Moycullen
    Castleconnor
    Castleconnor
    Gurteen, Ballina
    Gurteen, Ballina
    Downhill Road, Ballina
    Downhill Road, Ballina
    Ballysadare
    Beltra
    Skreen
    Laveybeg-Charlestown
    Laveybeg-Charlestown
    Carrabaun-Swinford
    Carrabaun-Swinford
    Keelty
    Thomastown
    Roscommon
    Roscommon
    Knockoogheey
    Moyasta
    Craggaknock
    Ennistymon
    Oakpark
    Craughwell
    Loughrea
    Carrigatogher
    Toomevara
    Dunkerrin
    Countess Rd
    Woodlawn Rd
    Port Rd
    Innishannon
    Bandon
    Rosscarbery
    Knockboy
    Golden
    Callan
    N77/N78 Junc.
    Gooig
    Silvermines X
    Urlingford
    Horse & Jockey
    Terryland
    Clonboo
    Annascaul
    Kilconny
    Michael Collins Bridge
    Ballinvinny North
    Garda Station, Rathcormac
    Mccarthy'S Motors, Fermoy
    Corbett Court
    Dublin Road, Mitchelstown
    Dungarvan
    Kingscourt
    Carrickmacross
    Carrickmacross
    Lough Egish
    Tullynagrow
    Ballybay
    Monaghan
    Cavan
    Monaghan
    Corcaghan
    T Junction With N-13 At Lisnaree
    Raphoe Town Boundary
    Cross Roads At Momeen
    Kildrum
    Bridgend Roundabout
    Pier At Fahan
    Buncrana Town Boundary
    After Y Junction With R-244
    Sharp Bend At Clonmany
    Carndonagh Town Boundary
    Redcastle
    Glentogeher
    Letterkenny Town Boundary
    Castleshanaghan
    Rathmelton Town Boundary
    Milford Town Boundary
    Ballybofey Town Boundary
    T Junction With N-56 At Dore
    T Junction With N-14 At Rossgeir
    Donegal Town Boundary
    C.O.Shannon
    Carraroe
    Ballygawley
    Ballinode
    Carraroe
    Ballisodare
    Cartron
    Cumeen
    Ballinabole
    Ballymote
    Gurteen
    Salthill
    Ennis
    Fourmilehouse
    Borrisoleigh
    Templemore
    Tralee
    Monavalley
    Tralee
    Glengarriff
    Bandon
    Passage West
    Superquinn
    Ballyvoyle
    Dunmoreeast
    Tramore
    Thomastown
    Thomastown
    Gorey
    Wicklow
    Mulphedar
    Kinnegad
    The Downs
    Portnashangan
    Kinnegad
    Milltownpass
    Tyrrellspass
    Horseleap
    Moate
    Ballydonagh
    Carrick
    Mullingar
    Kinnegad
    Cloonahusey
    Garryandrew
    Longford
    Cushenstown Cross
    Ferriskill Cross
    Edgeworthstown
    Longford
    Kilashee
    Ballywillan
    Carlow
    Naas
    Kildare
    Grangemellon
    Allenwood
    Kildare
    Naas
    Barberstown Cross
    Clane
    Youngs Cross, Celbridge
    Fennor
    Jenkinstown
    Dundalk
    Navan
    Ballinlough
    Kilberry
    Navan
    Mullagh Cross
    Couty Boundry
    Ratoath
    Batterstown Village
    Trim
    Follistown
    Navan
    Kilmoon
    Ratoath
    Nangor Road
    Tyrconnell Road
    Lanesboro
    North Circular Road
    Dorset Street Lower
    Phibsborough Road
    Old Cabra Road
    Grove Road
    Carlow
    Carlow
    Castledermot
    Kilgowan
    Portlaoise
    McGraths Cross
    Closh Cross
    Hollywood Cross
    College Green
    Tallaght By-Pass
    Clanbrassil Street Upper
    Blessington
    Monaspick
    Killeigh Village
    Nyra Cross
    Portlaoise
    Fighting Cocks
    Carlow
    Mountrath
    Fontstown
    R120 - Interchange
    Quinnsborough Kill
    Cloghan
    Birr
    Sharavogue
    Slane
    N/Balregan
    Castletown Rd
    Five Alley
    Blueball
    Tullamore
    Ballybought, Durrow
    Inner Relf Rd
    Kells
    Ardee
    Louth Boundary
    Tullaghonstown
    Clonard
    Moyvaley
    Kilcock
    New Lucan Road
    Palmerstown By-Pass
    Silver Tankerd
    Dunshaughlin
    Fannys Cross
    Clonee
    Cabra Road
    North Circular Road
    Kells
    Navan
    Ross X
    Ashbourne
    Ashbourne
    Western Way
    McGruders X
    Flemington
    Kilmoon X
    Thistle Cross
    Dowdalshill
    Cabinteely By-Pass
    Mount Merrion Avenue
    Nutley Lane
    Morehampton Road
    Leeson Street Upper
    Dorset Street Lower
    Aston Quay
    Johnstown
    Junction 7 - N4
    Junction 9 - N7
    Coolock Lane Interchange
    Mountjoy Square West
    Bridge Street
    Kevin Street Upper
    St Stephens Green South


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Was that the list in the paper?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    That list is nonsense.

    Tullamore - Blueball - Birr for Offaly.

    That is a completely straight stretch of road with nothing in between it. No village after Blueball but they made a 50 KPH limit for some reason. I've never heard of a single accident there. It is a favorite spot for them to catch people speeding though but there are never any accidents.

    They should put them where people are being killed not where they'll make them money. A pointless 50KPH limit on a smooth country road that is a primary route and they are just screwing with us at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Now, have we anyone who knows enough about Google maps to help point these out? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭jlang


    I presume the it's the mention of Cabinteely By-Pass that the paper picked up as Stillorgan Road as there doesn't seem to be a mention of the UCD/Montrose stretch on that list. Unless it's the N11 at Nutley Lane (which is itself ramped) or Mount Merrion Avenue that they're referring to and not those roads themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Rudolph Claus


    Are there relly that many dangerous stretches of road in ireland, or "red" zones as they like to call them. :rolleyes: Its a small country like with a very small road death level imo, i mean 3-400 is hardly massive in a population of 5million. All 8kilometre long sections, probably nice straight bits of road with the newerlower 50mph limits that seem to have become the norm where the roads used be 60mph. How do they determine these little red zones anyway, is it by number of deaths on the roads. Just cause someone died on a certain stretch doesnt make it a dangerous road, it could have been a single vehicle accident where the driver simply committed sucicide, god forbid!

    Its a load of bollox, revenue gathering racket. Suit them better to spend money on setting up a proper driving test/proper driving schools and "proper" driving instructors, this would make a real impact on driving standards but sur eit wouldnt generate handy revenue.

    the whole privatisation thing is a joke, obviously just another racket. Anyone know if the private losers will be visible or hiding in ditches in unmarked vans? Least you can kick the **** out of a private speed detector lad and not get charged with assaulting a guarda!(that was a joke for the politically correct :D )

    I`d like to see how these 600 revenue collectors are going to stop drink drivers in the early hours, drug-drivers excessive speeders down back roads at night. :mad: :rolleyes:

    The 3 main things that will instantly cut down on the so called "carnage":rolleyes: are:

    1 - Set up a proper driving learning/testing system

    2 - Sit outside pubs and catch drink-drivers

    3 - Catch excessive speeders and stop them and lecture them aswell as the 2penalty points and fine. the lecture along with points and fine will make a lot of people cop on andbe careful.

    600 cameras catching people doing 50mph in 40mph zones and lowering roads to ridiculously unnatural limits of 50mph does nothing for road safety. It just frustates people to the point of normal average people hating the gardai and having no respect for their safety campaigns as they are harrassing genuine motorists wandering over stoopid limits by not even 10mph. The whole thing is a farce, they can dress it up any way they like but they have no real interest in saving lives and if they do it certainly isnt the 1st priority. :mad:

    They are setting up 600 :eek: cameras before they put a driving test in place????? The mind boggles. Just a money racket it is. This fookin country gets more retarded by the minute. There are 400,000 people waiting on driving tests ffs. I could ony be ireland where they set up a system of revenue gathering monkeys before a testing system. :mad: :mad: :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    have a look at http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/special/2006/nra/
    There are several motorways & DCs listed there e.g. M1 (Coolock to M50), M50 Jcns 6 to 9).
    N4 (Palmerstown to M4)
    Its a revenue making farce!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭joe_elway


    Money making and that's it. None of this is about making roads safer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Bluetonic wrote:

    The REALLY frightening thing about all of this is how supposedly highly qualified Police Officers such as Chief Superindendent John Farrelly are so quick to buy into this Civil Service inspired Nonsense.

    I feel quite confident that in his private lucid moments the CS will be shaking his head in befuddlement at yet another "Initiative" being imposed on the Gardai.

    Yet again we are forced to endure more SPEED KILLS nonsense with the inference being that slowing down from any given velocity will eradicate Road Accident Fatalities.

    If any of these Civil Servant types were to be posted out-of-office to actually observe motoring behaviour then a very different "Iniative" would be forthcoming.

    Speed is a factor in ALL RTA stats.....It can be determined Post Accident by reference to skid-marks,demage trails and a wealth of other items.
    However the other contributory factors such as Inattention,Indecision,Ignorance and Inability remain too much work for the Agencies to be bothered with.

    In addition,the design and construction of many of our roads is a major contributory factor to RTA figures yet this factor remains comfortably unaddressed.
    I believe that there is a major question of Proffessional Negligence hanging in the air over the activities (or inactivity) of the Local Authorities Proffessional Planners and Engineers.

    This area currently has quite a few sweaty collars as the Kentstown Schoolbus crash case grinds slowly towards trial.
    It remains quite interesting to note how of all the parties to be charged over this RTA the only "Problems" have arisen in relation to Meath County Council,which apparently could not be served with the appropriate papers due to certain legal "difficulties".

    Put at it`s simplest,the Irish way of addressing this ongoing problem begins with covering one`s eyes and hoping it will go away.
    This is usually followed by a period of introspective reflection which is usually non productive and then one is left with recommendations such as this "Lisht" which can be waved around by suitably compliant Senior Gardai.

    The entire issue is best summed up,for me,by how the Garda Traffic Corps operates most evenings on Dublin`s O Connell Bridge.

    Here,once the initial South-North-South "Rush Hour" has subsided we see a nightly Alternative Rush Hour.
    This is caused by the large volume of HGV traffic all headed for the evening Ferry Departures at Dublin Port or DunLaoghaire.
    These HGV`s usually manage to ignore BOTH of the Yellow Boxes on the NORTH side of O Connell Bridge,sometimes for 2 or 3 Phases of the Traffic Signals with the attendant spread of chaos back along North and South Bound approaches.

    Now the REALLY interesting bit is in the methodology which the Gardai`s Dublin Metropolitan Traffic Corps now applies to the situation.

    IF a Motorcycle Garda is on site,he or she will ALWAYS be positioned on the SOUTHERN island of O Connell Bridge.
    Sometimes Mounted but often standing,The Garda will without fail be looking in the direction of Trinity College OR Westwards along the Quays.
    In all of my time criss-crossing this bridge (or attempting to do so) I have NEVER seen this Garda attempt to walk or cycle the 50 mtrs NORTHWARD where he/she could not alone make a difference to the thousands of hapless commuters BUT could also collect much needed revenue for the State.

    This startling lack of attitude simply HAS to be part of the Order-of the Day as otherwise the member in question could be accused of failing to perform their duties ?

    Now when I see evidence of CS O Farrelly addressing the O Connell Bridge problem (Which,incidentally is covered by 5 seperate Garda and City Council CCTV Units) then I may well be tempted to listen closer to the other stuff he is spouting to the media..

    Remember People...O Connell Bridge,each evening from approx 18.30...Watch the Batchelors Walk-Eden Quay axis......and then cast yr eye over to the D`Olier St/Westmoreland St Island.... :)


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    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Nuttzy wrote:
    Are there relly that many dangerous stretches of road in ireland, or "red" zones as they like to call them. :rolleyes: Its a small country like with a very small road death level imo, i mean 3-400 is hardly massive in a population of 5million. All 8kilometre long sections, probably nice straight bits of road with the newerlower 50mph limits that seem to have become the norm where the roads used be 60mph. How do they determine these little red zones anyway, is it by number of deaths on the roads. Just cause someone died on a certain stretch doesnt make it a dangerous road, it could have been a single vehicle accident where the driver simply committed sucicide, god forbid!

    Its a load of bollox, revenue gathering racket. Suit them better to spend money on setting up a proper driving test/proper driving schools and "proper" driving instructors, this would make a real impact on driving standards but sur eit wouldnt generate handy revenue.

    the whole privatisation thing is a joke, obviously just another racket. Anyone know if the private losers will be visible or hiding in ditches in unmarked vans? Least you can kick the **** out of a private speed detector lad and not get charged with assaulting a guarda!(that was a joke for the politically correct :D )

    I`d like to see how these 600 revenue collectors are going to stop drink drivers in the early hours, drug-drivers excessive speeders down back roads at night. :mad: :rolleyes:

    The 3 main things that will instantly cut down on the so called "carnage":rolleyes: are:

    1 - Set up a proper driving learning/testing system

    2 - Sit outside pubs and catch drink-drivers

    3 - Catch excessive speeders and stop them and lecture them aswell as the 2penalty points and fine. the lecture along with points and fine will make a lot of people cop on andbe careful.

    600 cameras catching people doing 50mph in 40mph zones and lowering roads to ridiculously unnatural limits of 50mph does nothing for road safety. It just frustates people to the point of normal average people hating the gardai and having no respect for their safety campaigns as they are harrassing genuine motorists wandering over stoopid limits by not even 10mph. The whole thing is a farce, they can dress it up any way they like but they have no real interest in saving lives and if they do it certainly isnt the 1st priority. :mad:

    They are setting up 600 :eek: cameras before they put a driving test in place????? The mind boggles. Just a money racket it is. This fookin country gets more retarded by the minute. There are 400,000 people waiting on driving tests ffs. I could ony be ireland where they set up a system of revenue gathering monkeys before a testing system. :mad: :mad: :rolleyes:

    If they were interested in people driving properly they'd have guards with motorbikes having words with the amazing number of Irish people that can't negotiate a roundabout. At least now using their indicators.

    Turn signals people or are you afraid your being followed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Road standards are terrible in this country on byroads.

    In Offaly, there was a bus crash this year on the Clara road where the back axle came off the bus.

    I've used the bus company, most of my teens and while the buses aren't new, they are reasonably well looked after. You wouldn't call them dangerous and they are always clean etc...

    The road on the other hand has a bump in it so bad that you have to slow to 20MPH to go over it and even then you feel like you were driving over a large brick or something.

    After the bus crash the council were out immediately doing repair work before RTE arrived and the road is still in a state that you'd still have to do about 20-30MPH to go safely over it in a 80KPH limit.

    Ridiculous and just around the corner is a bridge and the road has sunk into the bog and its the same deal. Slow to 20-30MPH just to be able to get over it without breaking your spine.

    ^Thats whats causing the accidents^


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,389 ✭✭✭✭Saruman


    But the M4, the new Toll motorway is on that list? I mean once you pass the Kilcock exit there is only 1 exit (enfield) till you reach the end (Kinnegad) so no merging traffic, its long straight and safe. Could have a speed limit of 160kph or more and be perfectly safe.
    So clearly this is money making.
    I see they are also including the old N4 which had its speed limit reduced from 100kph (most places) to 80kph when toll road opened. Most drivers still do 100kph. It was safe for years.

    Clearly a way to make money even if the private operators are supposed to be on a fixed rate and not per catch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Saruman wrote:
    But the M4, the new Toll motorway is on that list? I mean once you pass the Kilcock exit there is only 1 exit (enfield) till you reach the end (Kinnegad) so no merging traffic, its long straight and safe. Could have a speed limit of 160kph or more and be perfectly safe..
    Aren't they replacing part of the new surface because its unsafe?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Victor wrote:
    Aren't they replacing part of the new surface because its unsafe?
    Please tell me you are joking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    kbannon wrote:
    Please tell me you are joking.
    No, there was a big hullaballoo a while back that they laid some of the surface when the weather was too cold for it to set properly.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I can picture them replacing it just after Christmas!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭horse7


    the garda link is dead http://www.garda.ie/angarda/stats.html maybe there reconsidering it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Bluetonic wrote: »

    What's with the reference in that paper as to how pat kenny might react to it?
    However, among the red zones to be targeted for new privately operated mobile speed cameras is the Stillorgan dual-carriageway.

    The move is bound to anger RTE broadcaster Pat Kenny who has repeatedly criticised the siting of speed cameras on this road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,565 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    maybe cos it a 4 year old thread :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Ah right! Didn't even notice those dates! Strange that someone would reopen a 4 year old thread!

    Goes to show 4 years later and the indos articles are as bad as ever!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,565 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    thomasj wrote: »
    Goes to show 4 years later and the indos articles are as bad as ever!
    :D

    Try here: http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=6497


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    that's a lot of red lines? are they saying these are places most likely to have cameras or are they places speed cameras are in place and operational?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,161 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    dowlingm wrote: »
    I believe the N8 DOES still pass through those points Jimmy the Cat - the M8 is a different matter.

    On the other hand the stretch from Watergrasshill to Dunkettle is the N8 and the old road the R-something or other.

    The N8 does not exist where there is an M8. We have strict route number inheritance

    The N8 exists from Dunkettle to Cork City and NOWHERE else. All the road that was formerly N8 is now something else, mostly R639.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Has anyone seen the list of "red zones" in today's irish independent?
    How real is it?
    My suspicion is that it is a load of bull! -Just a re-hash of what was doing the rounds on email a few weeks ago.
    For example: in North Co Cork they list the N8 from garda station in Rathcormac to John McCarthy's garage in Fermoy. At this stage a good national newspaper should know that the N8 nolonger passes through either town, therefore my suspicions that this is a very old list. I can see other smaller examples that lead me to this conclusion.

    What do people think? I know it's always good to highlight the need to slow down but can a "cry wolf" like this be counter-productive?
    Just because a red zone takes an old by passed route dose nor mean its dated. Locals, L drivers and those wishing to avoid tolls will still continue to use older roads, and worse still they will try and speed to make up for lost time taking the diversion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    However many lists there arem, the gards are not allowed to position a van in a dangerous position. I thought they were withdrawn to sort out providing such safe spots.
    There are many places where it isnt safe to position a van. An example: On that list is the N72 from Mallow Racecourse to the Longueville House junction.There isnt anywhere on the narrow dangerous bit to put a camera van , so presumably they will have to position it on the wide safer bit...ludicrous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭sh1tstirrer


    Has anyone seen the list of "red zones" in today's irish independent?
    How real is it?
    My suspicion is that it is a load of bull! -Just a re-hash of what was doing the rounds on email a few weeks ago.
    For example: in North Co Cork they list the N8 from garda station in Rathcormac to John McCarthy's garage in Fermoy. At this stage a good national newspaper should know that the N8 nolonger passes through either town, therefore my suspicions that this is a very old list. I can see other smaller examples that lead me to this conclusion.

    What do people think? I know it's always good to highlight the need to slow down but can a "cry wolf" like this be counter-productive?
    Is your surname Barry by any chance as in Jimmy (the cat) Barry?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭deckstunt


    You can down load a Google Earth KML file of the camera locations locations from this post.


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