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Speed trap list in today's independent
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Are there relly that many dangerous stretches of road in ireland, or "red" zones as they like to call them. :rolleyes: Its a small country like with a very small road death level imo, i mean 3-400 is hardly massive in a population of 5million. All 8kilometre long sections, probably nice straight bits of road with the newerlower 50mph limits that seem to have become the norm where the roads used be 60mph. How do they determine these little red zones anyway, is it by number of deaths on the roads. Just cause someone died on a certain stretch doesnt make it a dangerous road, it could have been a single vehicle accident where the driver simply committed sucicide, god forbid!
Its a load of bollox, revenue gathering racket. Suit them better to spend money on setting up a proper driving test/proper driving schools and "proper" driving instructors, this would make a real impact on driving standards but sur eit wouldnt generate handy revenue.
the whole privatisation thing is a joke, obviously just another racket. Anyone know if the private losers will be visible or hiding in ditches in unmarked vans? Least you can kick the **** out of a private speed detector lad and not get charged with assaulting a guarda!(that was a joke for the politically correct
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I`d like to see how these 600 revenue collectors are going to stop drink drivers in the early hours, drug-drivers excessive speeders down back roads at night. :mad: :rolleyes:
The 3 main things that will instantly cut down on the so called "carnage":rolleyes: are:
1 - Set up a proper driving learning/testing system
2 - Sit outside pubs and catch drink-drivers
3 - Catch excessive speeders and stop them and lecture them aswell as the 2penalty points and fine. the lecture along with points and fine will make a lot of people cop on andbe careful.
600 cameras catching people doing 50mph in 40mph zones and lowering roads to ridiculously unnatural limits of 50mph does nothing for road safety. It just frustates people to the point of normal average people hating the gardai and having no respect for their safety campaigns as they are harrassing genuine motorists wandering over stoopid limits by not even 10mph. The whole thing is a farce, they can dress it up any way they like but they have no real interest in saving lives and if they do it certainly isnt the 1st priority. :mad:
They are setting up 600 :eek: cameras before they put a driving test in place????? The mind boggles. Just a money racket it is. This fookin country gets more retarded by the minute. There are 400,000 people waiting on driving tests ffs. I could ony be ireland where they set up a system of revenue gathering monkeys before a testing system. :mad: :mad: :rolleyes:0 -
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Bluetonic wrote:http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1706950&issue_id=14770
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The REALLY frightening thing about all of this is how supposedly highly qualified Police Officers such as Chief Superindendent John Farrelly are so quick to buy into this Civil Service inspired Nonsense.
I feel quite confident that in his private lucid moments the CS will be shaking his head in befuddlement at yet another "Initiative" being imposed on the Gardai.
Yet again we are forced to endure more SPEED KILLS nonsense with the inference being that slowing down from any given velocity will eradicate Road Accident Fatalities.
If any of these Civil Servant types were to be posted out-of-office to actually observe motoring behaviour then a very different "Iniative" would be forthcoming.
Speed is a factor in ALL RTA stats.....It can be determined Post Accident by reference to skid-marks,demage trails and a wealth of other items.
However the other contributory factors such as Inattention,Indecision,Ignorance and Inability remain too much work for the Agencies to be bothered with.
In addition,the design and construction of many of our roads is a major contributory factor to RTA figures yet this factor remains comfortably unaddressed.
I believe that there is a major question of Proffessional Negligence hanging in the air over the activities (or inactivity) of the Local Authorities Proffessional Planners and Engineers.
This area currently has quite a few sweaty collars as the Kentstown Schoolbus crash case grinds slowly towards trial.
It remains quite interesting to note how of all the parties to be charged over this RTA the only "Problems" have arisen in relation to Meath County Council,which apparently could not be served with the appropriate papers due to certain legal "difficulties".
Put at it`s simplest,the Irish way of addressing this ongoing problem begins with covering one`s eyes and hoping it will go away.
This is usually followed by a period of introspective reflection which is usually non productive and then one is left with recommendations such as this "Lisht" which can be waved around by suitably compliant Senior Gardai.
The entire issue is best summed up,for me,by how the Garda Traffic Corps operates most evenings on Dublin`s O Connell Bridge.
Here,once the initial South-North-South "Rush Hour" has subsided we see a nightly Alternative Rush Hour.
This is caused by the large volume of HGV traffic all headed for the evening Ferry Departures at Dublin Port or DunLaoghaire.
These HGV`s usually manage to ignore BOTH of the Yellow Boxes on the NORTH side of O Connell Bridge,sometimes for 2 or 3 Phases of the Traffic Signals with the attendant spread of chaos back along North and South Bound approaches.
Now the REALLY interesting bit is in the methodology which the Gardai`s Dublin Metropolitan Traffic Corps now applies to the situation.
IF a Motorcycle Garda is on site,he or she will ALWAYS be positioned on the SOUTHERN island of O Connell Bridge.
Sometimes Mounted but often standing,The Garda will without fail be looking in the direction of Trinity College OR Westwards along the Quays.
In all of my time criss-crossing this bridge (or attempting to do so) I have NEVER seen this Garda attempt to walk or cycle the 50 mtrs NORTHWARD where he/she could not alone make a difference to the thousands of hapless commuters BUT could also collect much needed revenue for the State.
This startling lack of attitude simply HAS to be part of the Order-of the Day as otherwise the member in question could be accused of failing to perform their duties ?
Now when I see evidence of CS O Farrelly addressing the O Connell Bridge problem (Which,incidentally is covered by 5 seperate Garda and City Council CCTV Units) then I may well be tempted to listen closer to the other stuff he is spouting to the media..
Remember People...O Connell Bridge,each evening from approx 18.30...Watch the Batchelors Walk-Eden Quay axis......and then cast yr eye over to the D`Olier St/Westmoreland St Island....
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Nuttzy wrote:Are there relly that many dangerous stretches of road in ireland, or "red" zones as they like to call them. :rolleyes: Its a small country like with a very small road death level imo, i mean 3-400 is hardly massive in a population of 5million. All 8kilometre long sections, probably nice straight bits of road with the newerlower 50mph limits that seem to have become the norm where the roads used be 60mph. How do they determine these little red zones anyway, is it by number of deaths on the roads. Just cause someone died on a certain stretch doesnt make it a dangerous road, it could have been a single vehicle accident where the driver simply committed sucicide, god forbid!
Its a load of bollox, revenue gathering racket. Suit them better to spend money on setting up a proper driving test/proper driving schools and "proper" driving instructors, this would make a real impact on driving standards but sur eit wouldnt generate handy revenue.
the whole privatisation thing is a joke, obviously just another racket. Anyone know if the private losers will be visible or hiding in ditches in unmarked vans? Least you can kick the **** out of a private speed detector lad and not get charged with assaulting a guarda!(that was a joke for the politically correct )
I`d like to see how these 600 revenue collectors are going to stop drink drivers in the early hours, drug-drivers excessive speeders down back roads at night. :mad: :rolleyes:
The 3 main things that will instantly cut down on the so called "carnage":rolleyes: are:
1 - Set up a proper driving learning/testing system
2 - Sit outside pubs and catch drink-drivers
3 - Catch excessive speeders and stop them and lecture them aswell as the 2penalty points and fine. the lecture along with points and fine will make a lot of people cop on andbe careful.
600 cameras catching people doing 50mph in 40mph zones and lowering roads to ridiculously unnatural limits of 50mph does nothing for road safety. It just frustates people to the point of normal average people hating the gardai and having no respect for their safety campaigns as they are harrassing genuine motorists wandering over stoopid limits by not even 10mph. The whole thing is a farce, they can dress it up any way they like but they have no real interest in saving lives and if they do it certainly isnt the 1st priority. :mad:
They are setting up 600 :eek: cameras before they put a driving test in place????? The mind boggles. Just a money racket it is. This fookin country gets more retarded by the minute. There are 400,000 people waiting on driving tests ffs. I could ony be ireland where they set up a system of revenue gathering monkeys before a testing system. :mad: :mad: :rolleyes:
If they were interested in people driving properly they'd have guards with motorbikes having words with the amazing number of Irish people that can't negotiate a roundabout. At least now using their indicators.
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Goes to show 4 years later and the indos articles are as bad as ever!
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