Kapap...another Israeli MA Hits Ireland?

Millionaire

http://www.kapap.ie/index.htm

I found this, and see another Israeli MA has hit Ireland.

Kapap this one is called !

To me this is just another Break away group of KM. There is so much politics and in fighting among the various Israeli KM type groups its crazy.

Imagine in a fight " wow did you see him, hit the attacker with a krav maga right cross!!!" "No Gerry your wrong, it was not a KM right cross, it was a Kapap Right Cross" "Oh Ok..sorry I stand corrected" :rolleyes:

Just curious to what this is?

Having read the site, looks nothing more to me, that an KM type system, under a different name.

I wonder do they practice heavy sparring with contact?

Nothingcompares

millionaire, wouldn't they say it was just a right cross?

Millionaire

could have been a muay thai right cross or even a MMA one either! LOL!!!!

Oh and did I mentioned boxing..I think boxing has right crosses too!

scuttery1

Is it just me or does that sound like something you'd hear in an episode of the of the Adam West era "Batman"? "Kapap! Blamo!"
"Holy breakaway israeli military combative batman":D

Millionaire

scuttery1 wrote:

Is it just me or does that sound like something you'd hear in an episode of the of the Adam West era "Batman"? "Kapap! Blamo!"
"Holy breakaway israeli military combative batman":D

Thats what I wuz a thinking! :eek:

Baggio...

Hey Mill,
KAPAP Lotar translated as “Face to Face Combat”.

Apparently it's the CQB choice of the Israeli special forces. Unlike Krav Maga – which is just used for the regular army.

I see they are offering CQB instructors courses over here now. I think the guy who runs it is Major Avi Nardia. I think the Irish contact is “Sam” Marky.
Now, I've never trained in this supposed new “wonder system”. That said, I was lent a few of Major Nardia's KAPAP DVDS. I was very unimpressed from what I saw. In my opinion KAPAP seems to be quite far down the ladder compared to Combatives. I've also read a few of the KAPAP articles in the Irish Fighter. Nothing that I haven't heard before.

I'd really like to know how much these guys are paying to become instructors . I know at one point they was charging 200 Euro for a one day seminar. Seems like they are having a laugh - considering you can get tuition from guys like Lee Morrison or Mick Coup for 80 squid, who I personally would consider to be much better.

Just my opinion....

Millionaire

from what I know of Sam Markey, he did 2 weekend KM courses, 2 years kickboxing at some stage, and then all of a sudden is Jim Wagners top man in Ireland, and now an Israeli special forces system instructor.

Does not seem to all add up to me, as in time spent actually training, and now your the head honcho in Ireland and UK.

I was told in Israel that all these break aways were just KM guys who wanted to get out and run their own show. (collect the student fee's for themselves).

As I said before, I asked a good few Israeli soldiers did they do KM in training, and most never heard of it, or were like " I think we did a day of some sort of karate stuff in boot camp but I cannot remember what it was). Even a KM instructor I trained with who was ex para special forces, and his whole life was KM(thats all he talked about and did), told me they do very little of it in the army, a minimal amount.

The american KM crowd seem to be getting it together good, with Thai style fighting classes, and BJJ classes mixed in with the KM. I saw some DVD footage of them work pads thai style and alive and it impressed me.

Baggio...

Millionaire wrote:

Does not seem to all add up to me, as in time spent actually training, and now your the head honcho in Ireland and UK.

Aye! tis a bit rubbery if you ask me....$$$ I love his background info from Wagners RBSD add in the Irish Fighter.

And I quote:
"Markey was a rugby player for 20 years, taught aerobics, and studied Krav Maga before going reality based.

Wow! Rugby and Aerobics.... Not sure how that will help you teach anyone defend themselves. There is no mention of him studding martial arts for 20 years I noticed, or having any relevant self protection experience.

Now, I can't say what type of instructor he is, as I have never trained with the guy. But reading his background I would have no interest in doing so either (I don't like Rugby or Aerobics:)). And if he has had some relevant experience he should really put it in the add.

Most of the instructors I respect have a 20 year back ground in some form of Martial Art, and a shed load of Real life experience. whether it's Door work, Law enforcement or in the military, etc.

But all have them have used their brains to create something that is usable in a real violent situation (I would consider these poeple visionaries).

But hey that's just me...

Millionaire

yes, I would rate a top instructor in the same light.

Most probably would have over 20 years exp, probably started in Karate type styles, tried other styles along the way , perhaps kickboxed or did thai, and then ended up in self protection work and developed their RBSD system from real life experience, based on MA techniques which worked time and time again. e.g. Geoff Thompson with fence to right cross and hook!

He is not even a KM instructor, he took 2 weekend courses in KM, thats all!

Thats like 4 days training!

Feck it, I am going to make my own style and present myself with a 10th dan soon!

Baggio...

Millionaire wrote:

He is not even a KM instructor, he took 2 weekend courses in KM, thats all!

Thats like 4 days training!

Feck it, I am going to make my own style and present myself with a 10th dan soon!

That really sucks... and he's prolly raking in a good few quid at the same time:mad: .

Yeah, I think you should start you own style! You could award me a 9th Dan and I could be your representative over here. I could charge a hundred and fifty Euro and hour for private tuition - and just teach a few wacky techniques to some gullible bods:D .

yomchi

Jeez.. there can be only one way to hit a guy! Call it what you will its all based on simple combative theory.
Now Kepap is used for the special forces and KM is used for the regular army -what next?

Anywho why are elite forces being trained in this when they have goddam M14's, M16's, rockets and tanks to hide behind?

cushtac

Jon wrote:

Anywho why are elite forces being trained in this when they have goddam M14's, M16's, rockets and tanks to hide behind?

For the same reason soldiers are still trained to fix bayonets & stick them in people - such training builds confidence & agression and gets you used to the notion of closing with & killing your enemy.

Unpossible

Feck it, I am going to make my own style and present myself with a 10th dan soon!

Sweet, lets all join in. You can call it "Ger Kwon Do" can I be a 2nd Dan ?

BenZy

A friend of mine did the kapap instructors course in england with major nardia. he said the training and instruction was good and very practical but like any of these courses - is a week long course enough for anyone to come back and start teaching other people?

you might get the old tape copying effect setting in - i.e the first guy is trained by the original experienced instuctor and everyone else is getting stuff second hand from written notes and memory etc. a lot could get lost on the way

Baggio...

BenZy wrote:

A friend of mine did the kapap instructors course in england with major nardia. he said the training and instruction was good and very practical but like any of these courses - is a week long course enough for anyone to come back and start teaching other people?

Hmm... I can't say I was impressed with the material that I saw. But that was only a few of Nardia's Kapap DVDS (with him demonstrating – he might be a lot better in person). A lot of the techniques looked like they were just a couple of blokes “mincing about” as opposed to getting the job done ASAP. I thought the gun defences were well dodgy too. An introduction was also done by Jim Wagner - who was dressed in all his Police gear and holding a shotgun no less. No sure why you would be holding a gun while you were recording a simple "intro" for your mates DVDS. But anyway...

It takes a week to become an instructor for Kapap eh? That's just ridiculous. Same as the Wagner system. Churning out instructors that in theory have had no previous training. Just bring your 750 Euro. Ironically I've heard some decent reports about the Wagner system - but cloning instructors like that just cheapens it in my book. But hey that's just my personal opinion.

yomchi

cushtac wrote:

For the same reason soldiers are still trained to fix bayonets & stick them in people - such training builds confidence & agression and gets you used to the notion of closing with & killing your enemy.

confidence? such training builds psychopaths.

Its been a long long long time since you've heard on the news that US forces (for example) closed the enemy down and bayonetted them! More like forces riddle the bejaysis out of them from close range.

Anyways its off topic

Roper

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I'm not anti-Israeli, but that is a damn provocative flag.

john kavanagh

'Better a student of reality than a master of illusion'

i like that

arybvtcw0eolkf

Roper wrote:

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I'm not anti-Israeli, but that is a damn provocative flag.

Any defacing of our flag should be offensive to us all here.

Unless of course your Polish, Nigerian, Russian, Romanian, Chinese, Latvian, outer Mongolian etc... & thats just thinking of Parnell St.

cushtac

Jon wrote:

confidence? such training builds psychopaths.

Its been a long long long time since you've heard on the news that US forces (for example) closed the enemy down and bayonetted them! More like forces riddle the bejaysis out of them from close range.

Such training builds soldiers, not psychopaths. There's thousands of people who've undergone such training, are you suggesting they're all psychopaths?

A bayonet is more of a psycological weapon now. If a soldier is ordered to fix his bayonet he knows he's facing close combat & steels himself for it. It also has an unsettling effect on your opposition, they now know you're prepared to stab them at close range.

The most recent incident of bayonet use in combat that I'm aware of was in Iraq and involved British troops.

Millionaire

LOL! thats a great flag..... i d say Padraig Pearse is turing in his grave up in Arbour Hill !

It Looks like the Muay Thai shorts my KM course buddy who is Jewish, got specially made for me, and sent to me. I think I wore them once for a private lesson with Paddy, and Paddy near wet himself laughing at them! LOL!

All styles are great....but did you train for years to get your experience, have your 100s if not 1000s of rounds sparring down. (thats sort of my measure if you put your time in or not).

The KM crew I trained with, I was a month long course, and you needed a few years KM experience to be accepted on it. out of 20 people I will openly admit that I was the 3rd worse at the "techniques" on the course, but come of sparring and I think, it would have been a little different.
The point is th standard in this KM Assoc was very high, and it was not a commercially run Assoc. I just passed the course my the skin of my teeth, which was a big ego blow.

I should have done Kapap, and got it over in a week, and a good ego massage! LOL!

If you choose to follow the belt system, which is optional, and grade it takes 8 - 10 years to reach black belt in KM.

Yes. now lads when I start Ger Kwon Do, I am 10th Dan, Baggio can be 9th, and the rest of you, will get your high dans, for a fee of $499, payable on your Visa card in 3 easy payments. you also have to bu the Elvis Style Stars and Stripes American Karate Gi for $299, plus embroided black belt! LOL!!!

You do not have to train anymore....just tell a load of stories about your fighting ability, and get a load of teens to bow to you, and call you master....as long as they keep up the high monthly fee of course, and grade every 2 months...that $95 per grading too....but you get a nice cert and licence! LOL!!! Franchises are on sale too!

Millionaire

cushtac wrote:

The most recent incident of bayonet use in combat that I'm aware of was in Iraq and involved British troops.

Yes that true,,,,it was the Royal Anti Irish Reg I mean the Ulster Deference Reg (or was it the UVF...a same thing anyway)...errrr I mean the Royal Irish Reg who did the baynoet charge....they probably through it was catholics on the falls road they were chargin at.

Baggio...

Buy a Kapap instructors course for only $999.99!!!

But WAIT that's not all.... order today, and you will also receive this attractive set of steak knives - absolutely FREE!.:cool:

Millionaire

and a t Shirt with a big Star on it, and some Hebrew Writing!

FiannaGym.com

I'm currently teaching Jihad boxing!

This is the most effect hand-to-hand combat style, used to succesfully beat the "special forces" employed to commit genocide. Even when out-gunned this system can over come train professionals.

Book your place now.


Before anyone has a hissy fit this is an attempt to illustrat how childish and rediculous this whole thing is.

Peace

Millionaire

actually, I saw on TV over here on Thai news recently, clips of the Al Quead boyos, with the face masks on, going some great TKD style kicks to the paddle pad.

then they did some, escapes from a nelson type hold, and some gun disarm technqiues and all very much reeked of KM.

Actually David Kahn who wrote KM Book, told me he found it scanned on some Jihad web site...and he was none too please.

Strangly if the Al Quead hate the Zionists so much...they seem to have no problem borrowing the KM moves! LOL!!!!!

how about someone start a weekend course of IRA Unarmed combat, you could even have certs in Real IRA Boxing, Continuity IRA Freestyle, and INLA BJJ, and Stickie RA (weapons defences!)....

I d say the South Armagh 2nd Brigade Provo IRA course, would be the best one to get certified in....

paxo

Millionaire wrote:

Yes. now lads when I start Ger Kwon Do, I am 10th Dan, Baggio can be 9th, and the rest of you, will get your high dans, for a fee of $499, payable on your Visa card in 3 easy payments. you also have to bu the Elvis Style Stars and Stripes American Karate Gi for $299, plus embroided black belt! LOL!!!

You do not have to train anymore....just tell a load of stories about your fighting ability, and get a load of teens to bow to you, and call you master....as long as they keep up the high monthly fee of course, and grade every 2 months...that $95 per grading too....but you get a nice cert and licence! LOL!!! Franchises are on sale too!

Gerry

I can train you in my untill now secret family system of KravMcGrath. This is a secret system handed down from the famous Master McGrath.{ As mentions in song by the Dubliners} It covers all ranges eg Bil Hook is the weapon system, Li No covers ground fighting, NiKe covers our feet, Fuk Yu is our prefight content and Be Itch Slapn is our hand 2 hand component. Until now this system was only taught to Latvian boy scouts, premier league referees, auctioneers and a traffic warden in Tullow Co Carlow.

However as you have all trained before I can certify you as instructors. Just promise that you will use your power for good instead of evil and send me $5000.00, preferrably in unmarked non sequential bills, to
Care of resident, cell 303, Boggo Road Gaol Brisbane.
Your certificate is in the post

Paxo
P.S. If you buy now you will have access to our secret Irish stick fighting art
Hur Lin at a low low price of $4999.00

Roper

Lads,

Leave the poor blokes alone. For all you guys know they might be able to hand you your asses in a ziplock bag. Remember, Krav Maga doesn't exactly have a shining reputation when it comes to marketing for example.

For me, if it lucks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's most likely a duck, and you're probably spot on about what you're saying, but there's nobody here to defend Kapap, so its not a debate, just a slagging session. But hey, get the man himself on here and see what he has to say, Johnny Kapap or whatever his name is.

davidlewis

Quick question for Millionaire. What are your credentials?? It makes me laugh when people mouth off martial arts that they nothing about??? I am proud to be one of 2 licenced Kapap instructors in Ireland, Have you been to one iof my classes?? how are you an expert on Israeli martial arts??, try and educate yourself before you dismiss what you don't understand. As you can see I am not ashamed to show my name Millionaire, who are you?? Grandmaster?? expert 57?? I eagerly await your knowledgeable response.

arybvtcw0eolkf

davidlewis wrote:

Quick question for Millionaire. What are your credentials?? It makes me laugh when people mouth off martial arts that they nothing about??? I am proud to be one of 2 licenced Kapap instructors in Ireland, Have you been to one iof my classes?? how are you an expert on Israeli martial arts??, try and educate yourself before you dismiss what you don't understand. As you can see I am not ashamed to show my name Millionaire, who are you?? Grandmaster?? expert 57?? I eagerly await your knowledgeable response.

Lets get it onnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Roper

Ooh ooh ooh great, a Krav Maga vs. Kapap WAR!!! Who will emerge King of the STREET!

Anyway Gerry, I think the man does deserve an answer or two. For my part in the debate, Kapap is a much better name than Krav Maga.

Scuttery, you're spot on, but for cartoon noises, you can't beat this!

scuttery1

Roper wrote:

Scuttery, you're spot on, but for cartoon noises, you can't beat this!

Barry my friend you can never beat a good w*nk:D

Dyr

Someone asks for the other side of the story and a kepap instructor appears as if by magic..abrakepapra you could say

Serious note: @kepap fella, what the hell is with superimposing another nation's flag over the tricolour? Shameful :mad:

Millionaire

me MA qualifications....I will get slagged for posting me CV again. (sorry Crokester but he asked me to post them!!)

over 22 years MA experience mainly in full contact kickboxing.
4th degree Black Belt in Mu Gen Do Kickboxing under George Canning, who trained quite a few world kickboxing camps.
Represented Ireland in FC Kickboxing in earlys 90s. also was Irish FC Kickboxing Champion of some sort back then.

Trained in a few other styles, approx 3 years in TKD, 3rd Blue or Red belt(came 2nd in East Canada in color belt division) , Kung Fu, Boxing and some Japan Ju Jitsu too.

3 years in Irish version of KM which is not real KM. qualified in Israel with Israeli KM Assoc, as KM instructor, after intensive 30 day 6 days 8- 10 hours per week course in Netanya in Israel. Taught my own school in Dublin Sept - Dec in KM, and more so WWII combatives, just before I moved to thailand to perfect my Muay Thai, which I do on a semi full time basis.

Supposed to be their representative Israeli KM in Ireland, but since I am living in Thailand, training in Muay Thai this past 10 months once or twice a day in top camps , I do not get to do my Irish KM duties. Big Sigh!

I following the teachings of Geoff Thompson and Lee Morrisson, backed up with solid and consistent Muay Thai Training, 5 or days a week, and shall be training in ground fighting which I am a little weak in within next week or so.

Oh yes...and I am only 34!

and have defended myself for real in my world travel quite a few times. so I would have a decent idea of what may work in a real violent confrontation.

So there you go! any questions!

Anything to laugh about there?

Oh yes and my name is Gerry Nolan, and I ain't got nothing to hide behind.

No I ain't an expert in Israeli MA, do not claim to be. Though I have put alot of training time into them. there IMO is much more effective systems out there, that why I am training in Thailand.

I do get a laugh out of all these new israeli special forces system, considering most israeli soldiers both regular, and special forces, and some who trained special forces full time when I was training there, told me the hand 2 hand is minimal, and in fact most did not even know what KM was. Typical answer was, which i posted somewhere else..."oh I think we did a day or 2 of some stuff like boxing or judo in boot camp, but i cannot remember what the hell it was"....sorry mate....myth destroyed!

Actually I knew a lawyer in Canada, who was a bit nuts and ran a 2nd hand book shop, and he had his own MA invented, he called
it "wooie gooie kungie fooie" and he said if anyone gave him BS, he would just rugby tackle them and sink this teeth into the first soft bit he found, and would keep biting until other guy passed out. HHMMMMMMM simple and effective system. I wonder will be certify me! LOL!

Wooie Gooie Kungie Fooie is a much better name me thinks!!!

Dave Joyce

Quick question for Millionaire. What are your credentials?? It makes me laugh when people mouth off martial arts that they nothing about??? I am proud to be one of 2 licenced Kapap instructors in Ireland, Have you been to one iof my classes?? how are you an expert on Israeli martial arts??, try and educate yourself before you dismiss what you don't understand. As you can see I am not ashamed to show my name Millionaire, who are you?? Grandmaster?? expert 57?? I eagerly await your knowledgeable response.
Today 13:46

Hey buddy if you were ever on this website before you wouldn't have to ask Gerry about his credentials, as most of us who post regularly know. Not sure if you're involved with the Jim Wagner guys as well as Kapow but jacking up their training seems to be commonplace. I noticed one guy was offering private instruction in Sayoc Kali as well as other stuff and when I asked him about this he eventually admitted he had only done ONE "clinic" (of a couple of hours) with Tuhon Ray Dionaldo when he was in Florida. When Mr Wagner was asked to remove this from the website he never even had the courtousy to reply and only finally removed it without any reply when threatened with legal action.

how about someone start a weekend course of IRA Unarmed combat, you could even have certs in Real IRA Boxing, Continuity IRA Freestyle, and INLA BJJ, and Stickie RA (weapons defences!)....

I d say the South Armagh 2nd Brigade Provo IRA course, would be the best one to get certified in....

How about we send our national flag abusing buddy up to the Taliban in South Armagh to get certified:D

Millionaire

Well, he might get qualifed in a week long Sniper course up there, and take us all out.

I am suprised some Yank, has not discover a secret IRA fighting system, where they will certify you over a weekend. Oh Crap....I have just gave Jim Wagner my new DVD idea....ah shucks!!!!

Terrible hatch job on our National Flag, at least my Muay Thai shorts that were in Israeli Colors with Krav Maga written in Hebrew and a Star on them!

I think they got lost in the lane way outside bridgestone muay thai, sometime last year, after Paddy Clint near laughed me out of the place! LOL!

Roper

Just on that note, a guy I know sent around a petition during the 2002 World Cup as Guinness has printed up 1000's of mini tricolours with the guinness logo on them. As far as I know there's no precedent for prosecution though, not like the USA where there are laws dammit!

Mate, Kapowza, whoever you are, I'm not anti-Israeli or the like, but that is defacing the flag, its offensive and a bit silly. I'd remove it from your site if I were you.

Millionaire

On a serious note, men fought and died, and spent long spells in prison over the past few 100 years for us to have that flag, our own nation, and our own rights.

I got one on my left shoulder inked on.

Thats our National Flag.

Its like someone wanted me when training in Israel to get an Israeli flag patch sown on to my training pants, and i refused.... I said I am Irish...if any flag is sown on there it will be the Irish one, and that is that!

In Thailand if you slag the King or flag off, you can get up to 23 years in jail for that offence.

Baggio...

Hmm... think I'd rather get trained by Gerry than a "licensed" KAPAP instructor.

Just to the Kapap instructor - what are your credentials?

Dyr

Roper wrote:

Just on that note, a guy I know sent around a petition during the 2002 World Cup as Guinness has printed up 1000's of mini tricolours with the guinness logo on them. As far as I know there's no precedent for prosecution though, not like the USA where there are laws dammit!

Yeah i remember the furore over guinness. Its not even a *sings* "this flag is ooourr flag" national pride thing..its just saddedning to see groups hijacking a national flag for their branding , no class

and dont get me started on sports sponsorship deals :rolleyes:

Millionaire

yeah, I see on your web site, you say you studied Krav Maga, where did you study KM, with whom, and for how long?

yomchi

The star of David is traditionally known as a symbol of Judaism. What has Judaism got to do with Kepap

Millionaire

Or even what has Judaism got to do with KM. Imi who start KM has this speach where he says he wants to thru KM unite all religons, and peoples with it...yet the splash the big Star of David all over the place, and then they told us in Israel once we finished the instructors course, on the quiet individually not to teach arabs or muslims.!!!!!!

Thats pure racism.

Thats one of the reason, I sort of moved on from KM, am happy to take what I need from it, and work Muay Thai and the Combatives ala Lee Morrisson and similar.

Alll this " the real secret fighting of the israeli Special Forces" the normal punter out there, who wants to learn a bit of SD, and knows for little about MA, usually falls for that sort of stuff, so its a god line to fill up your course.

As I said , I was told my someone who trains special forces in Israel for a living, and who did some training with me, that the Hand 2 Hand unarmed stuff is minimal, and for the regular army its a day or 2 max....thats it.

Special Units are more interested in spending time with Colt 45s, etc, learning home to pump 2 bullets into your head as a moving target in record time. sniping and other skills applicable to theit jobs.

davidlewis

Its good to see people discussing my site, me and kapap, Thanks..

Anyone interested in martial arts should, in my opinion be open minded, had everyone reacted the same way to Bruce Lee and Jeet kune Do where would martial arts be today? If people had a bee in their bonnet about all things japanese, would you have any martial arts today?? where did modern day combatives come from? Japanese and other eastern arts combined with Philipino, western etc. etc.

Just so that people know, I take every martial art as it comes the same way as I take every person as they are.... ask and question an art before you judge, how else can you know??

Krav maga and Kapap is like trying to compare apples and cars!

Krav maga is based on the teachings of Imi Lichenfield as you know, he left the army in the 60's, Darren Levine ( a lawyer) trained with Imi, returned to the U.S. and trademarked Krav maga which meant if you wanted to teach krav maga you had to go through him, hence all the off shots - Combat krav maga, Hagannah etc. has Darren any military background? was he an instructor in the army?? NO

His second in command Eyal Yanilov was a lorry driver in a communications unit, what are his credentials to be Israeli martial arts expert? was he an instructor in the army?? NO

Imi was by all accounts a fine, good honest man, the main people now - Darren and Eyal, are they the same? You decide, see attached

http://www.shoshindo.dk/EYALYANILOV.htm


Kapap - Krav Panim el Panim - Micro combat, face to face combat or also referred to as Lotar, is headed by Avi Nardia, a Major in the Army, he has 24 years on field experience and is an official instuctor in Israel, he served as Yamam - counter terror unit, Police academy, hand to hand instructor etc. etc. the other main man is Albert Timen, again with 20 years combat experience and official Israeli army instructor.

See Links page on my site.

Make up your own minds lads, There is something good in all styles, unfortuneately people allow EGO (and money)to get in the way of an open mind.

I am not going to get involved in silly talk trying to massage everyones ego, I do not work in a creche. Anybody who wishes to abuse me or my site or my art Kapap, please carry on, If people need to go down this route to feel better about themselves, might I suggest taking up Bingo.

Baggio...

davidlewis wrote:

I am not going to get involved in silly talk trying to massage everyones ego, I do not work in a creche. Anybody who wishes to abuse me or my site or my art Kapap, please carry on, If people need to go down this route to feel better about themselves, might I suggest taking up Bingo.

That's fair enough - but it's not the answer... You were the one questioning Millionaires credentials. Most of us here are all pretty experienced here.

He's answered your question, so why not answer mine?

Just to reiterate - In my personal opinion what I have seen of "Kapap" I'm not too impressed. So I'll stick to Western Combatives.

Millionaire

You claimed on your site you studied Krav Maga, you did not answer my question.....where did you study KM, with who, and for how long?

Also you might find aside from Daren and Eyals, orgainisations, there is 2 if not 3 other KM organisation in Netanya alone (which is a small town costal resort). And as I said some of my instructors train Special Forces for a living.

You asked me what my experience was, and what my experience was in Israeli Systems, and I answered you.

Now you are refusing to answer my questions, about your experience, and where in particular you studied KM?

For almost 3 years there was only one person teaching KM in Ireland (all be it a very watered down version, which I am in disagreement with), and I helped teach many of the class over 3 years and attended 3 -4 times a week and trained weekends too, and I for one certainly do not recognise your photograph.

Just for the record I am a KM instructor under a very different organisation than Eyal. In fact IKMA is only KM org with offical status with Israeli gov.
I do not know Eyal, but Aidan at www.kravmaga.ie who is a top KM and RBSD instructor, tells me his is very passionate about KM.

I am not sure why your posting a site with some old lady style yarns on them. whats your point?

I do not see any mention off Darren Levine in this article either, he is an American, this refers to a Levine in Denmark. Obviously you got the wrong Levine!



Though in fairness to Eyal, he was the guy responsible for spreading KM worldwide, like him or loath him.

I've actually emailed the Israelis about Kapap, as my teachers are not professionals, they make their money
from other jobs, so KM is a passion for them, and they train hard, so I want to see what they say about
becoming certified in 5 days. I shall post their reply here.

No ones is judging your style, though I am curious how after just 5 days training, you can gain enough skill, and experience, to effectively use the techniques yourself, never mind teach others.

I am 20 years active in MA, full contact kickboxing (plus other styles too), and 3 years of KM in ireland, before I did a 30 day intensive course in Israel.
and I still train actively min 5 days a week (muay thai, and now MMA), and train hard to improve my punches, knees, elbows, kicks and clinch work, in a very physical way, plus spar as often as I can.

If you guys can do it in 5 days, I take my hat off to you, obviously I missed something along the way, and have wasted this past 22 years with wrong training!

Roper

David,

If you're not going to answer the Kapap questions, can you answer the queries about the bastardisation of the national flag please?

Millionaire

On last thing....par example...if someone got certified in Muay Thai after just 5 days training....there is totally no way me nor anyone else who is an experienced fighter or instructor would take them serious. How could you?

Also re Israeli army, special forces, police....about 90% of not more of Israelis have been in the army male and female, 2 years min for females and 3 for men. Most men serve at least 1 full month or more per year until they are 40, and this is voluntary for women after the 2 years, but many chose to do their bit in a support role.

Essentially, everyone in Israel is either in the army or has been in the army.

So its not big deal to say Oh I trained with Col so and so Special Forces Captain this, or Major that....they are a penny a dozen.

In fact I even trained with an active member of the Shin Beth, which is the internal counter part to Mossad... had nice skills, and was a good ground fighter in the BJJ style. But thr fact that he worked as a James Bond 007 type job did not make much difference to what he taught me either way. except of the bomb, radio, and F16 fighter, the secret computer in his runners controlled. oh yes, and before he was in the Sin beth he was in Special Force too.... that really help me improve my KM side kick!

krav Panim

To Millionaire,Jon, Baggio,Roper
Thank you for the interesting reading. I would like to extend a personal invation to you guys for the next level 1 course that will be held in the UK in the New Year we will not charge you for the course you will have only to pay for your food and accommodation. should you wish to take up this invation then you will see first hand what the course involves and the people who are involved with Kapap this way there will be no Chinese whispers, you will know first hand, and will be able to make your judgments and comments in the true knowlege that you have seen what goes on in Kapap
Thanking You
Sam Markey
Kapap Europe

Millionaire

Hi Sam:

Thanks for the invite. Doubtful I shall be in Europe next year, I am based in Thailand full time, working on the MT.

I would love to go, however I have a strong inkling it would not be too different to the KM I have already done.

Got any links you can post of demos?

PS Carrick is one of the places I started my MA career in 1984 in the old Catholic hall! Still some of the lads floating about now there. They were very early years, and rough training!

Thanks

G

westhamutd

Hi Sam

can you please tell me when the next weeks training in the UK is .also can someone please tell me is it possable to turn up on the day at lee's nove 25 course or do I need to pre register . thanks for all the help and god bless:)