Sony claims Wii and Xbox 360 overpriced

Scruff

hahaha! this is funny.

Read this interview with Sony's Michael Ephraim on an Ozzie site

Has nobody told him that the ps3 will be so much more expensive than either of those two? He's basically admitting the average family wont be able to afford it.
or as the case may be.

DarthWraak

Another thread here today about how stupid Sony are. Great stuff! More! More!

I really want to see the Wii being a success, and continued sales of X360. If the PS3 flops, I wouldnt care less...

sprinkles

Microsoft's price point at $600-plus a big investment for family entertainment.

Eh.......

Europe, which is very diverse with 15 different languages and which Australia is linked into, decided to hold off on the launch because of the availability of the blue diodes for the PS3 Blu-ray disc player.

So the bluray has led to the delay...... it could end up killing them

Are you happy with PSP's sales in Australia so far? There's a perception in the market that it is struggling because of strong DS sales.

If you look at the markets, they are completely different. The DS really appeals to a lot younger, very female skewed, and the DS has done a fabulous job.

Did he just call me a girl!

seraphimvc

read that news yesterday...laugh to hell...

ppl of SONY are simply so SPECIAL...:D

Retr0gamer

Are you happy with PSP's sales in Australia so far? There's a perception in the market that it is struggling because of strong DS sales.

If you look at the markets, they are completely different. The DS really appeals to a lot younger, very female skewed, and the DS has done a fabulous job.

Lol! Newsflash Sony: Despite the fact that the DS appeals to a younger audience doesn't matter when it's still outselling the PSP. The younger generation: welcome to the biggest videogame audience Sony.

That interview gave me a few laughs.

sprinkles

Retr0gamer wrote:

Lol! Newsflash Sony: Despite the fact that the DS appeals to a younger audience doesn't matter when it's still outselling the PSP. The younger generation: welcome to the biggest videogame audience Sony.

That interview gave me a few laughs.

Not only that but that very smae younger generation will eventually grow up having spent their youth with Nintendo systems.... get them hooked early

GrumPy

Sony are retards tbh.

Zapp Brannigan

Cant wait to get my 360 and my Wii!!

Why do Sony seem to continuously put their foot in it? Though I still reckon the PS3 will outsell everything else

koneko

Aw man, I think Sony just say completely nutty things on purpose, to see if they can get away with it. And they do. People will buy it anyway.

gizmo

sprinkles wrote:

Microsoft's price point at $600-plus a big investment for family entertainment

.Eh.......

He means 600 Australian Dollars which converts to around €360.

K.O.Kiki

Gotta love the Bizarro world Sony seem to live in.
"I am bleeding, making me the victor!"

CiDeRmAn

Yup, looks like the Sony of 2006 can do no right, ugly machine, ugly price, ugly launch line up and an ugly Euro launch date, maybe they should take a look at what they did back in 95 to see what they should be doing to make the public love them and their new machine.
Its been a stream of damage control from them and their mouthpieces and most of it has only confirmed what asses they are, no rumble feature, two price points, both expensive, expensive software, difficulties in manufacturing,
You'd swear they were a startup hardware manufacturer, this is the behaviour you would get from the Gizmondo people, not the biggest hardware player in the world!

monument

koneko wrote:

Aw man, I think Sony just say completely nutty things on purpose, to see if they can get away with it. And they do. People will buy it anyway.

Note to Sony: She is on to you!

plonk

sprinkles wrote:

Not only that but that very smae younger generation will eventually grow up having spent their youth with Nintendo systems.... get them hooked early

This is so true i was brought up on sega then sony but sony are gone ott I really think nintendo is the future

OctavarIan

wrote:

Much of PS2's success is due to a range Sony has dubbed "Party Starters" - SingStar, EyeToy, Buzz and Activision's Guitar Hero, which each utilise easy-to-use controllers instead of joypads.

wrote:

The social gaming products are one by one shattering gaming stereotypes and in-turn this is removing a barrier for many consumers who would have previously not considered games as an entertainment option,

Before the interview even starts, there's some nice optimism for the Nintendo Wii to look at.

BlitzKrieg

I think peoples distaste towards sony lately is because they deliver these nuggest of wonder on a almost daily basis:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/umd/sony-still-thinks-umd-is-swell-207737.php

flogen

Sony really are showing some level of arrogance; maybe if they stopped and didn't believe their own hype for just a second they might do alright, I'm not so sure they'll come out of this one on top any more.

I do love the hint at 'ds is for girls... it's a great console alright.... for GIRLS' line. Sony seem to believe (or want you to believe) that you cannot mass market hardware, it's either young or old, men or women etc.

BlitzKrieg

I do love the hint at 'ds is for girls... it's a great console alright.... for GIRLS' line. Sony seem to believe (or want you to believe) that you cannot mass market hardware, it's either young or old, men or women etc.
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seem to have their advertising backwards if the PS3 is for older people: http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/first-north-american-playstation-3-commercial-the-wait-update-207717.php

projectmayhem

you all realise that him saying the wii & 360 being "overpriced" is a comment regarding the actual worth of a wii & 360's technology, right?

BlitzKrieg

Financially yes.

But worth can be argued on many levels.

For example if Blu-Ray fails to take off, which is possible, then you have a console that is overpriced due to lugging around an extra $300 doller pointless attachment.

And on a side note, the 360 also sells for a loss, so that wouldnt be overpriced either right?

The only overpriced console is the Wii in financial terms.

sprinkles

BlitzKrieg wrote:

And on a side note, the 360 also sells for a loss, so that wouldnt be overpriced either right?

The only overpriced console is the Wii in financial terms.

qft

jaggeh

sprinkles wrote:

qft

What has quantum field theory got to do with this...

flogen

jaggeh wrote:

What has quantum field theory got to do with this...

eh, everything?

sprinkles

jaggeh wrote:

What has quantum field theory got to do with this...

.... didn't you hear that Sony's new machine can transend the space time continuum

seamus

Sony are the kings of overpricing. Almost everything they've brought to market recently has been months behind their competitors, of lower functionality and with a bigger price tag.

Sometimes I really think they've done well in spite of themselves.

sprinkles

I agree, just look at their memory sticks. 1 gig costs twice the amout of a 1 gig SD card (don't even start me on the fact they keep changing the f*cking thing so I have to buy the new size).

I think they'll do well with the PS3 but not as well as they have done perviously and MS will come out on top. They really are setting themselves up for a fall.

projectmayhem

sprinkles wrote:

I think they'll do well with the PS3 but not as well as they have done perviously and MS will come out on top. They really are setting themselves up for a fall.

i disagree actually... i don't think sony will dominate the way PS2 has (and still does somehow... who is left to buy one?) but they'll still reign at the top of the pile.

i think most people agree the ps3 is an awesome beast of a machine. the issue people have is the pricepoint, and like all technology, that will drop, probably next christmas with Killzone2 and MGS4 in their arsenal (now that GTA is multi-platform). then i'd say all the nay-sayers will sit up and at least consider getting one.

don't get me wrong, i love my 360 but i'm more excited by ps3. and you have to keep in mind, these stupid comments from sony execs don't make it to the mainstream. the vast majority of the 100million+ ps2 owners out there don't have a clue how stupid sony look these days. they're just waiting to play one in the shops, and reluctantly part way with a few months worth of savings...

sprinkles

I see your point that the mainstream won't have taken notice or even heard the stupidity of sony over the last 2 - 3 months but I really hope they take a minute to consider what they are spending €700 plus on.... it's a lot of money to a lot of people yet I can see parents scraping the money together just to please little johnny who really has no idea what he's getting other than it's the next PS...

It's depressing to see people buying a console purely because of who makes it, rather than the games available for it. The same goes for those who buy FIFA 0# beacuse it's got the new united strip in it... lemmings

projectmayhem

sprinkles wrote:

I really hope they take a minute to consider what they are spending €700 plus on.... it's a lot of money to a lot of people yet I can see parents scraping the money together just to please little johnny who really has no idea what he's getting other than it's the next PS...

ha, of course they won't consider it at all. it's a playstation, and they want it. that, i'm afraid, is the mentality of the market. and it's not exclusive to game consoles... it's the same with everything!

BlitzKrieg

i think most people agree the ps3 is an awesome beast of a machine. the issue people have is the pricepoint, and like all technology, that will drop, probably next christmas with Killzone2 and MGS4 in their arsenal (now that GTA is multi-platform). then i'd say all the nay-sayers will sit up and at least consider getting one.

I think there's a problem with that prediction.

Will Sony have lasted to the point that they can afford a price drop?

-At the launch of any console, 3 sort of people buy the console brand new at its selling price.

The rich. People who have money to burn and will to try the *latest thing*

The technological minded sort, People regardless of money to burn want to try the latest *gizmo*

and finally

The Heavy Gamer Someone who adores games and will buy said new console to play new games.


Now Sony have 2 of the above in its pocket, the rich, and technology minded people.

But the third element is the one who has been hit the most with the constant negative news on the PS3.

It has been the Heavy Gamer who has held up the launches and perpetuated of many consoles doomed to never appeal to Joe Soap (Dreamcast, Gamecube etc.) It also the Heavy Gamer who will make Sony its profit as they will buy the most games.

At its launch any console must rely on the established gaming base before attracting others. Even the DS which has exploded into joe soap circles started life clinging the Nintendo bread and water (Mario 64 DS, Warioware etc.)

Joe Soap excells a console at its midlife, when the first price drop comes, this is where joe soap comes in (not the naysayers) they will pick up the PS3 in its millions (if they make them quick enough.)

Thats how it happened with PS1, PS2, Xbox and its how it will happen with the 360 and PS3.

PS2 had a hugely successful launch, but it didnt turn into the golden egg of sony until they did their first price cut (the £199 sterling one I think?) which sent Joe Soap mad for it and it sold out like mad as both a cheap DVD player and a games console.)

But with the PS3, with the Gaming community deeply unsettled by its failure to build real momentum, it might not have the legs to make it to the price drop (unless its very imminant.)



And another element to take in. If PS3 doesnt pick up steam fast enough, developers will start dropping like flies, 50,000 units worldwide at launch, The only developers licking their lips at those numbers are those of games that are garunteed to be bought with the console (ensuring th 50,000 number.) which to be honest looking at the PS3 line up there is no clear winner.


But I'll watch and see how it goes, I've been known to get console predictions wrong (though I was right about the PSP).

But who's been scared off most with the negative news? The gamer, Only the Heavy Gamers who mix with the technology or rich catagories would be likely to purchase

thebman

BlitzKrieg wrote:

I think there's a problem with that prediction.

Will Sony have lasted to the point that they can afford a price drop?

-At the launch of any console, 3 sort of people buy the console brand new at its selling price.

The rich. People who have money to burn and will to try the *latest thing*

The technological minded sort, People regardless of money to burn want to try the latest *gizmo*

and finally

The Heavy Gamer Someone who adores games and will buy said new console to play new games.


Now Sony have 2 of the above in its pocket, the rich, and technology minded people.

But the third element is the one who has been hit the most with the constant negative news on the PS3.

It has been the Heavy Gamer who has held up the launches and perpetuated of many consoles doomed to never appeal to Joe Soap (Dreamcast, Gamecube etc.) It also the Heavy Gamer who will make Sony its profit as they will buy the most games.

At its launch any console must rely on the established gaming base before attracting others. Even the DS which has exploded into joe soap circles started life clinging the Nintendo bread and water (Mario 64 DS, Warioware etc.)

Joe Soap excells a console at its midlife, when the first price drop comes, this is where joe soap comes in (not the naysayers) they will pick up the PS3 in its millions (if they make them quick enough.)

Thats how it happened with PS1, PS2, Xbox and its how it will happen with the 360 and PS3.

PS2 had a hugely successful launch, but it didnt turn into the golden egg of sony until they did their first price cut (the £199 sterling one I think?) which sent Joe Soap mad for it and it sold out like mad as both a cheap DVD player and a games console.)

But with the PS3, with the Gaming community deeply unsettled by its failure to build real momentum, it might not have the legs to make it to the price drop (unless its very imminant.)



And another element to take in. If PS3 doesnt pick up steam fast enough, developers will start dropping like flies, 50,000 units worldwide at launch, The only developers licking their lips at those numbers are those of games that are garunteed to be bought with the console (ensuring th 50,000 number.) which to be honest looking at the PS3 line up there is no clear winner.


But I'll watch and see how it goes, I've been known to get console predictions wrong (though I was right about the PSP).

But who's been scared off most with the negative news? The gamer, Only the Heavy Gamers who mix with the technology or rich catagories would be likely to purchase

I think your spot on myself. I can really see developers dropping like flies because they can't produce enough units to have a user base for a mass market game. The first 6 months will be rough at least for PS3 users. Thats when all those hardcore gamers etc.. tell people what they think of PS3 and word of mouth is more powerful than any advertising. If people with PS3's say it isn't that great, Sony aren't going to be in the same position they were with PS2 at the end of this gen.

I can see Wii selling well because it's so cheap that people will consider it good value for money and sing it's praises because the games are fun and will be there from launch and developer support will build up as its cheap to develop for and will have a large user base.

360 is where it is. It'll sell bucket loads at Xmas IMO here as PS3 isn't out and Wii will sell out at launch most likely. 360 will not take Japan though IMO as it seems they just won't buy it.

BlitzKrieg

http://kotaku.com/gaming/famitsu/famitsu-picks-ps3-as-winner-wii-as-loser-208027.php


Hmm seems expert opinion is against me.


but on a side note.

Another day of oops:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/phil-harrison/phil-harrison-is-stuffing-bluray-disc-full-of-prerenders-208053.php



I got to go to work in 4 hours so I had another quick think about this.

The PS3 is attempting to break or at least stall the traditional 6 or 7 year jjump up consoles take (8bit>16bit>32bit etc) which is admirable and promising for gamers.

The notion we could own a console for a such a long period and still have games developed for it must be appealing to all gamers.

Meanwhile Nintendo's policy could be argued as a much shorter term policy, with the Wii lasting 3-4 years (instead of traditional 5-7) but its backlog and iinnovation would be carried over (like the way the gamecube and PS2 are being carried over.) Now there is not much out there proving that theory but its my personal theory. the question is would you be willing to pay up now the full $600 for the next generation, or pay in an installments?

Another variation of the episodic vs full retail software debate?

Microsoft like the current mold and seem to be pushing the generation jumps: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-3-already-being-planned-208191.php

This can be both good and bad, generation jumps in theory push the standard up each year (sadly it seems mostly to be graphical.) It also has a habit of pushing up prices.


Also it must be noted while the PS2 brought the success of DVD to Japan, I find its influence on dvd success outside the land of the rising sun to be less of a decider

wiki wrote:

n 2000, Sony released its PlayStation 2 (PS2) console in Japan. In addition to playing Video Games developed for the system, it was also able to play DVD movies. This proved to be a huge selling point because the PS2 cost less than most DVD players in Japan. As a result, many electronic stores that normally did not carry video game consoles carried PS2s[citation needed]. Despite many reports of poor and bad playback and green screens, this proved popular and was often used as a primary DVD player until the prices of good standalone players went down

There's no mention of the influence the PS2 had on DVD sales in europe or the US, and it must be noted that in Japan Laserdisc was a success while it flopped here, so in reality DVD had no competition outside Japan while in Japan the PS2 proved to be the ace for DVDs over Laserdiscs.

Now Blu-Ray doesnt have the same clear run as DVD had coming, not only is DVD happily entrenched, but it also has HD-DVD to compete with.


That puts another major risk on the PS3's long term lifespan which is what alot of the experts are putting the consoles success on, which is something I find absolutly bizarre (but appealling like I said above) The gaming industry (like most entertainment based industries) has never been one for permanent standards, PC or console it has always been a forward moving industry. Maybe most experts feel it needs to stall now and feel the PS3 rather then the Wii or 360 would be a good place to stop for a number of years.

It all seems a rather messy affair.

I have no idea whay I wrote this, but the next generation has finally got interesting me, mainly because it seems to be a mess.

uberpixie

As far as I can see all the comapnies will "win".

Nintendo: should be well able to flog all their Wii's and then some: they will def make enough money to have another gen without breaking much of a sweat.
They really are laughing all the way to the bank.

Microsoft: should be able to sell plenty of consoles, Halo 3 will no doubt push up sales. They will further improve their position in the games market and their reputation. They should also be able to make less of a loss this time, hell maybe even a profit :-)

Sony: if the get their **** together, should be able to make their money in the long term. Once they improve their manufacturing and flog a couple of million machines.

They still have a pretty good image (with a lot of non hardcore gamers:rolleyes:) and always put the money down on the advertising, which works well for them.

Yes they are arrogant, yes the are up their own hole in cloud cuckoo land, but they do attract the softcore in mass numbers and sell lots of mindless ****e that lots of people will buy in big numbers.

They will really have to go out of their way to mess it up proper,
(much more than they have so far) to hurt their sales.

I really don't see any losers in any of this, bar the poor parents that have to listen to some spoiled brats whinging they didn't get a PS3 for xmas this year :-)

abelard

famitsu wrote:

....trumping a guesstimated 28 Xbox 360 units sold and 25 million Wii sales by 2009

lol, and there i was thinking it would have outsold that already.

Anyway, based on those figures the consoles won't be too far apart with only 9 million units worldwide between ps3 and wii. Now that's still fairly significant, but if Nintendo is the only one actually making a profit before mass prosuction costs are reduced, Nintendo could end up fiancially in the best position in terms of hardware. And given that Nintendo first party software always sells loads, they would get another sinificant monetary boost. PS3, if it sells the 34 million, though, will still make Sony a nice bit of money eventually, and possibly more inportantly, will make third party publishers a mint due to the huge market, obviously making them very happy indeed and pledging continued suport for PS3.

Glipmac

From what i have heard Sony are releasing a Gaming Pack, thats gonna be about £700... i know there are stupid ppl out there who would actually pay that price but i wont be one of them, The PS3 is going to have the same problems as both the ps1 and ps2 did upon release:

1. everyone is gonna want one the day they are released
2. They are gonna be faulty because sony cannot create them fast enough like the ps2
5... 3. they are gonna out price themselves as always, and the price will drop dramaticly after the holliday seasons

its almost garrenteed that sony will make millions form this, but they arnt getting my monies, its gotta go to Nintendo for the "wii" personally that name sucks they should have stayed with the "Revoloution"

and it will have a decent price on it

Talk to you soon ppl

(p.s sorry about the python reference, i couldnt resist)

plonk

i bought a ps1 and a ps2 on the day of release and never had a problem with them I wont be buying a ps3 as too pricey. i might buy a wii and a ds instead

tba

The hardcore gamers of this world will buy whatever they feel like in the short term, it all falls on third party titles in the longer term.

Systems that provide the widest and deepest selection of games will win in the end.

Who exactly that will be remains to be seen.

As for Sony they appear to be moving themselves out of competion with MS and Nintendo, their development cycles if accurate would mean that they will never be in direct competion with them again.

projectmayhem

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Will Sony have lasted to the point that they can afford a price drop?

this stuff is all very long-term, and sony's got the advantage of cleaning up in the HD-tv market right now so finances aren't exactly shabby over at sony HQ.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

And another element to take in. If PS3 doesnt pick up steam fast enough, developers will start dropping like flies, 50,000 units worldwide at launch, The only developers licking their lips at those numbers are those of games that are garunteed to be bought with the console (ensuring th 50,000 number.) which to be honest looking at the PS3 line up there is no clear winner.

you are right, a lot of devs are probably worried. but these are small ones. the big ones that produce major hits (epic, valve etc.) are all working hard on titles, and sony's buying up devs left, right & center to fund their own in-house development (killzone2 being the major prop for them)...

BlitzKrieg wrote:

The PS3 is attempting to break or at least stall the traditional 6 or 7 year jjump up consoles take (8bit>16bit>32bit etc) which is admirable and promising for gamers.

The notion we could own a console for a such a long period and still have games developed for it must be appealing to all gamers.

casual gamers are already aware of this. new PS2 owners are the biggest profiteers within the industry right now. a cheap, relatively powerful console with a huge back catalogue (and it has the 4000 odd ps1 games in its arsenal too).

it's the "hardcore" (and by that i mean anyone who buys at launch, or even looks at gaming websites and stuff... people who take an active interest in the games world) who probably want a quick transition. people who want the technology to move on quickly when they get bored of the graphics becoming great as standard... and want more. even today i was at q4 training for work, and i was scoffing at the people who were impressed by the 360 test drive game that was on. medium textures? bloom? pah! (:p)

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Another variation of the episodic vs full retail software debate?

well about 2 years ago nintendo's iwata said the industry needs to move into upgrades, rather then full consoles for the "next gen". but then you have to consider that, even if it's cheaper in the long run, and easy to do (unlike PC's for un-savvy non-tech heads), all an upgraded graphics card or processor would do is separate the market. we need to have the full, new machines every 5 years or so.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

I have no idea whay I wrote this, but the next generation has finally got interesting me, mainly because it seems to be a mess.

the industry itself isn't really a mess. devs will survive the ps3 early-slump. consumers will always be there... and all 3 companies will roll out happy with this gen (most likely).

the reason it seems to be a mess is because, unlike years gone by, gaming is finally reaching a new market. sure over the weekend there was the BAVGA ceremony. 10 years ago there wasn't a proper awards ceremony for games! you can't walk down a street without hitting a GAME or Gamestop outlet. so people know more about games generally, since the generation who grew up with the commodore64 etc. are having kids, and remaining gamers themselves...

on top of that, the industry is now dictating the future of entertainment. blu-ray and HD-DVD are going to battle it out in the gaming market, and then it'll be decided whether movies will follow.

all in all, it'll be interesting to see, after this roll up to this gen, what the roll up to the next gen will be like. i'd say calmer, more incremental. but feel free to dig this up in 5 years time when e3 is on and sony have cell squared

BlitzKrieg

you are right, a lot of devs are probably worried. but these are small ones. the big ones that produce major hits (epic, valve etc.) are all working hard on titles, and sony's buying up devs left, right & center to fund their own in-house development (killzone2 being the major prop for them)...

Funny, I thought that would have been reversed, seeing as it was the big companies like EA that walked away from the Gamecube when the machine failed to penetrate the market as deeply as the Xbox and PS2 (and I mean europe and USA only.)

But of course that could be more to the point that the owners of gamecubes wouldnt be interested in those type of softwares.

well about 2 years ago nintendo's iwata said the industry needs to move into upgrades, rather then full consoles for the "next gen". but then you have to consider that, even if it's cheaper in the long run, and easy to do (unlike PC's for un-savvy non-tech heads), all an upgraded graphics card or processor would do is separate the market. we need to have the full, new machines every 5 years or so.

I didnt mean individual componants upgradable, what I meant was the model went like so:

Wii
(backlog:gamecube, n64, snes, nes)

then 3 years down the line (rather then the traditional 5-7)
A new Nintendo console which is improved grpahically (but not to an extent that would make it a loss making hardware) but due to lowering prices (like you said) graphically equivelent or maybe even superior to the PS3 and 360, with a new style being focused on (maybe control again, or something else) BUT all your controllers for gamecube and Wii can be plugged into it and your virtual console (and mii) will be moved over to the new machine, thus its a cheap console, you can trade in the old one to make it cheaper and all your software and periphals can still be used.

There will be no division in hardware as it will work in a building block manner.

1. Wii (Virtual console and gamecube supported)

2. Wii2 (wii, Virtual console and gamecube supported)

3. Wii3 (wii2, wii, virtual console and gamecube supported)

due to making smaller jumps focused on other areas outside a complete overhaul and an evergrowing library innovation will be kept alive while progress will also continue without any serious financial risk.

the only major flaw is developers will have shorter periods of time to squeeze all they can out of the previous machine (look at what they squeezed out of the PS2) But that can be combated by simply being pragamtic with the updates, if one version is very strong, then the machine can be left on the market longer.

The reason I have this model in my brain is because while I am very excited about the Wii, its one weakness I feel is that I dont see it being able to strike the same longevity as the PS2 had, unless developers suprise me (which they might) so this model I see can support the Wii's structure and cover its flaw.

I see flaws in all 3 machines though.

on top of that, the industry is now dictating the future of entertainment. blu-ray and HD-DVD are going to battle it out in the gaming market, and then it'll be decided whether movies will follow.

I find that the industry comes across more *drunk* on its success and thinks its dictatin the future of entertainment, hence why you see a glorious future, I see a incoming train wreck. But thats differenting opinions.


(just note you've gone from sony fanboy to user with interesting viewpoints in my boards records)

flogen

Just to take the thread back to the seemingly arrogant statements of Sony, here's another for the list:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055002556&page=2

when [SCE boss Ken Kutaragi was] quizzed about whether PlayStation 3 would outsell Xbox 360 and Wii, he simply said, "We don't care."

I love the explanation Sony gave:

The blog picks it up: "We spoke to Sony about this response, as it seemed a pretty ballsy statement to make, especially in light of how they're being perceived (arrogant, out of touch, losing the battle etc.) by press and consumers alike at the moment.

"They told us that what Ken will have meant is that, while they have a great deal of respect for the 'competition', they have always worked to their own business plan. In essence, regardless of what anyone else does, they'll be sticking to their original plan where PS3 is concerned and won't be changing things, just because company A does this, or company B does that."

So when Ken said 'I hate Europeans', what he probably meant was 'I believe that Europe is a vital market in the world of gaming, and as such I have decided to hold back the EU launch just to make sure we get everything right'

Royale with Cheese

Ok just to butt in on this thread.

I have an xbox 360. Premium pack, cost €400.

PS3, we'll say about €630. Negative points: no rumble feature on controllers, won't have the downloadable content for gta 4 that the xbox 360 will, and obviously the price.

However it does come with a bigger hard drive, a blu ray disk drive. The online service is free. I heard quite a while ago it supports wireless without having to buy a seperate wireless adapter. I also heard a while ago that all games will be region free (haven't really been keeping up to speed on ps3 updates, so I'm not sure if either of those are still true).

Assuming everything there is correct (I'm assuming somebody here will know this) the ps3 looks like much better value for money to me than the 360 does. Add the cost of a wireless network adapter and 1 years xbox live gold subscription and the price of the 360 comes to €540 or so (with more payments for xbox live to come), with the ps3 having the blu ray drive and 40gb extra hard disk space, and cheap games from play-asia. The ps3 doesn't seem that much of a rip off to me.

johnny_ultimate

Royale with Cheese wrote:

Ok just to butt in on this thread.

I have an xbox 360. Premium pack, cost €400.

PS3, we'll say about €630. Negative points: no rumble feature on controllers, won't have the downloadable content for gta 4 that the xbox 360 will, and obviously the price.

However it does come with a bigger hard drive, a blu ray disk drive. The online service is free. I heard quite a while ago it supports wireless without having to buy a seperate wireless adapter. I also heard a while ago that all games will be region free (haven't really been keeping up to speed on ps3 updates, so I'm not sure if either of those are still true).

Assuming everything there is correct (I'm assuming somebody here will know this) the ps3 looks like much better value for money to me than the 360 does. Add the cost of a wireless network adapter and 1 years xbox live gold subscription and the price of the 360 comes to €540 or so (with more payments for xbox live to come), with the ps3 having the blu ray drive and 40gb extra hard disk space, and cheap games from play-asia. The ps3 doesn't seem that much of a rip off to me.

Yeah i was thinking about it the other day as well and it isn't really that bad, but the fact that you are forced to pay 630 euro in one foul swoop is the major problem. Considering the fact that I don't particularly want a blu ray drive, a 60GB hard drive etc... i think that the x box 360 is better value for me personally. The fact you could easily pick up a 360 with an extra cotroller 4-5 games for under 550 makes it fairly decent compared to the PS3. However, as you pointed out, you do need to get Live as well ( if you're into idiot kids whupping your behind of course

BlitzKrieg

However it does come with a bigger hard drive, a blu ray disk drive. The online service is free. I heard quite a while ago it supports wireless without having to buy a seperate wireless adapter. I also heard a while ago that all games will be region free (haven't really been keeping up to speed on ps3 updates, so I'm not sure if either of those are still true)

It is all very impressive, the only catch is that unlike the 360 where you know what you're getting when you pay for it, alot of the PS3's value is sort of still up in the air, the blu ray is a new format that might not get the support it needs, the internet support has had little to no exposition until now weeks before its US launch, pretty much all of sony's trump cards have had some *hiccup* thrown at it (the recent no real 1080 debate.) or have not been given that concrete support polish they need.

When one looks at the PSP which also appeared as great value for money you cant help but feel that a part of this value might not get any use.

In comparison to the 360 who's major problems were a technical hiccup, far too much demand at launch and a generally poor game selection, the machine itself and its base were all sound tested mechanics which I guess reassured gamers. We know LIVE works, so most are willing to pay the monthly fee to ensure it stays working so well.


Sony's PR hiccups are a problem because people are not 100% comfortable with the PS3, if the console was like the 360 where every detail had enough exposition to allow the machine to speak for itself then there wouldnt be a problem would there?

monument

Royale with Cheese wrote:

won't have the downloadable content for gta 4 that the xbox 360 will

It's still possably it's because Blu-ray will hold it on a single disk.

Ciaran500

monument wrote:

It's still possably it's because Blu-ray will hold it on a single disk.

I doubt it since its exclusive

Stoichkov

Ps3 version of gta4 is 99.99% likely to have exclusive content.

gta4

monument

Ciaran500 wrote:

I doubt it since its exclusive

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think Microsoft’s words were, or at least their clarification was, “exclusively downloadable”.

Ciaran500

monument wrote:

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think Microsoft’s words were, or at least their clarification was, “exclusively downloadable”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_IV#Episodic_content
I seriously doubt it.

KdjaCL

Blu-ray


Why do people go on about Blu Ray and HD DVD , has anyone ever got a game that used the full 4gb off a normal DVD?

DVDs can hold 9gb yet noone ever made a game to fit on it, why do people expect that having blu ray support will some how make bigger or better games, and as for movies HD can be Xvided with no loss of quality

So why do people care for Blu ray?


kdjac

Stoichkov

KdjaCL wrote:

DVDs can hold 9gb yet noone ever made a game to fit on it, why do people expect that having blu ray support will some how make bigger or better games, and as for movies HD can be Xvided with no loss of quality

That's the situation now, but in three or four years time who knows how big the games will be. Why limit the potential of the console by using dvds rather than hd-dvd or blu-ray. Nintendo suffered when it stuck with cartridges rather than move on to cd based games and tried to remedy the mistake with the failed 'DD'. Plan for the future!

Ciaran500

Stoichkov wrote:

Why limit the potential of the console by using dvds rather than hd-dvd or blu-ray.

Cause it would cost a fortune and wouldn't of been possible at the time? The Xbox360 couldn't of been out before 07 if they wanted to use HD-DVD's for games.