Are you a Q-jumper?

hawker

Are you one of those people who refuse to wait in traffic? Are you one of those people who no matter what it takes are determined to jump the queue?

Just trying to get a profile of these people.

Wishbone Ash

hawker wrote:

Are you one of those people who refuse to wait in traffic? Are you one of those people who no matter what it takes are determined to jump the queue?

Just trying to get a profile of these people.

If you mean one of those motorists who actually read the times on the bus lanes and uses it when permitted, instead of queuing up with all the other dozy muppets on the right lane, they yes, I am a queue jumper, albeit a legal one.

(PS - More suited to Commuting & Transport Forum)

hawker

Wishbone Ash wrote:

If you mean one of those motorists who actually read the times on the bus lanes and uses it when permitted, instead of queuing up with all the other dozy muppets on the right lane, they yes, I am a queue jumper, albeit a legal one.

(PS - More suited to Commuting & Transport Forum)

Nope not one of those. If there is a q in a lane to turn left, would you use right lane and then cut in?

Wishbone Ash

hawker wrote:

Nope not one of those. If there is a q in a lane to turn left, would you use right lane and then cut in?

No, even if I'm in a strange city and discover that I'm in the wrong lane, I'd keep going and try to turn back again.

fletch

Wishbone Ash wrote:

If you mean one of those motorists who actually read the times on the bus lanes and uses it when permitted, instead of queuing up with all the other dozy muppets on the right lane, they yes, I am a queue jumper, albeit a legal one.

(PS - More suited to Commuting & Transport Forum)

Had one guy blast me out of it this morning with his full lights because I was observing correct lane procedure on the M50, think he thought I was weaving or summit. So he got brake lights in his face for the next mile or so
Anyway, no I'm not a queue skipper. I'm actually the opposite of a queue skipper if such exists. Really enjoyed last week when the guards pulled a guy for merging early over the hatching into the space I had been leaving in front for people to merge legally....Did I laugh!

hawker

I'm just can't figure out why people do it thats all. Not only does it annoy other drivers but it probably saves them only a couple of minutes at the most.

Only after discovering the commuting and transport forum this minute.

Larry David

hawker wrote:

Nope not one of those. If there is a q in a lane to turn left, would you use right lane and then cut in?

I do it. Usually once it starts moving, you can nip in front of a van, a truck or a Micra/Yaris/Punto driver, as they all take off so slow - no harm done in the end, as I'm just filling a gaping gap left my some sucker taking off to slow.

Akrasia

hawker wrote:

I'm just can't figure out why people do it thats all. Not only does it annoy other drivers but it probably saves them only a couple of minutes at the most.

Only after discovering the commuting and transport forum this minute.

it's the same reason morons tailgate the car in front in a long queue of traffic doing 40 miles an hour and then leap out to overtake one car at a time whenever they get half a chance (squeezing other people off the road in the process) They never make up any time because the roads are terminally congested, they just punish responsible drivers for leaving adequate space between them and the car in front.
These are the idiots that make the roads so dangerous for the rest of us

Akrasia

Larry David wrote:

I do it. Usually once it starts moving, you can nip in front of a van, a truck or a Micra/Yaris/Punto driver, as they all take off so slow - no harm done in the end, as I'm just filling a gaping gap left my some sucker taking off to slow.

so you're providing a service then? good man yourself. idiot. I suppose you're the guy who undertakes people at every opportunity and takes roundabouts in the wrong lane because it might save you 30 seconds?

prospect

Nope, absolutely not, posted here before about the blatent disregards for the rules of the road EVERY day on the Nangor road. Its a flipping disgrace and I would love to see every one of the offenders get a lifetime driving ban. (It would improve the traffic situation aswell).

hawker

Larry David wrote:

I do it. Usually once it starts moving, you can nip in front of a van, a truck or a Micra/Yaris/Punto driver, as they all take off so slow - no harm done in the end, as I'm just filling a gaping gap left my some sucker taking off to slow.

No harm? Except p-ing other drivers off. Besides, what if there was no 'van, truck or Micra/Yaris/Punto drivers who were slow to take off'? Would you then be holding the trafiic up on your lane?

BTW your statement about Micra/Yaris/Punto drivers shows what sort of a person you are.

Wishbone Ash

Larry David wrote:

I'm just filling a gaping gap left my some sucker taking off to slow.

I take it that you've never driven a fully laden truck? Do you really think that truck drivers take off slowly because they are suckers. It may have something to do with the 44 tonnes behind them and a lot more gear changes. :rolleyes:

BrianD3

As well as the obviuous and illegal forms of queue jumping (eg tearing up a 24 hour bus lane) there are more subtle forms too. For instance if someone is driving along a m-way or dual carriageway and saves time by driving off the mainline at an interchange adn then straight back on again. I don't see anything illegal with that but it is queue jumping and contributes to conjestion as it increase the amount of merging traffic.

Another one is if a driver wants to take the first exit at a roundabout and the left lane is conjested but the right hand lane is empty. So he approaches the roundabout in the RH lane then drives all the way around it, in effect turning the 1st exit into a 5th exit. Again I don't think that's an offence although it might be.

Seth Brundle

prospect wrote:

Nope, absolutely not, posted here before about the blatent disregards for the rules of the road EVERY day on the Nangor road. Its a flipping disgrace and I would love to see every one of the offenders get a lifetime driving ban. (It would improve the traffic situation aswell).

Are you referring to those drivers that use the bus lane to skip the queue? The bus lane is not in use and all those idiots queueing are in theory the ones in the wrong as they should be keeping left and therefore queueing in the 'bus lane'.

TheJaff

kbannon wrote:

Are you referring to those drivers that use the bus lane to skip the queue? The bus lane is not in use and all those idiots queueing are in theory the ones in the wrong as they should be keeping left and therefore queueing in the 'bus lane'.

Yes but all them "idiots" have right of way when the bus lane merges back into the driving lane. But do any of the ignorant "idiots" in the bus lane abide by this rule??? No! They just blatantly ignore the big yeild sign and continue on driving like its there god giving right the jump ahead of other drivers. :rolleyes:

Fey!

I hate queue jumpers, but more than that I can't stand the people who let them back into the lane in front of them - leave them stuck and they might think twice about doing it again!

Seth Brundle

TheJaff wrote:

Yes but all them "idiots" have right of way when the bus lane merges back into the driving lane. But do any of the ignorant "idiots" in the bus lane abide by this rule??? No! They just blatantly ignore the big yeild sign and continue on driving like its there god giving right the jump ahead of other drivers. :rolleyes:

Fair enough - the times I have been on it I haven't seen that but I certainly don't condone it!

deadsoul

Fey! wrote:

I hate queue jumpers, but more than that I can't stand the people who let them back into the lane in front of them - leave them stuck and they might think twice about doing it again![/QUOT

The navan road is the worst for it between the travel hotel all the way down to the garda station in cabra it alway the same cars the northern one because the garda can't trouch them and the one car I have seen pulled by the gardas when they are doing their job the next day its right back in the bus lane all the down .The best one I seen pulled was a mpv then he try to put his taxi sign on while talking to the garda is there anyway of finding out if these people are give fines ,It should be points .

prospect

kbannon wrote:

Are you referring to those drivers that use the bus lane to skip the queue? The bus lane is not in use and all those idiots queueing are in theory the ones in the wrong as they should be keeping left and therefore queueing in the 'bus lane'.

I have no objection to them using the bus lane, as it is 'Not In Operation'

My objection is the following:

1. Crossing a solid white line
2. Not using indicators
3. Speeding
4. Overtaking on the left (I have seen this happen when there is little or no traffic)
5. Failure to observe Yield signs at the end of the bus lanes.

P.

Mr Magnolia

I don't queue jump either, it's very frustrating as they can cause other vechiles to brake suddenly, this causes an even bigger problem.

Sooner they finish the road-works on the Nangor Rd the better

dubred

Has anyone tried turning left off the Belgard Rd onto the N7 southbound at Newlands Cross in the evening without using the out of service bus lane? And anyway why is it not in service, did they paint the lines and decide not to implement it or is it awaiting council approval? Or did they discover that it was full of cars trying to turn left onto the N7 and was completely impractical as a bus lane?

MargeS

I can't stand the dicks who drive up on the hard shoulder (at speed) when the two lanes of a dcw are congested. What other idiot lets them join the LH traffic lane when they reach a roundabout or lights!!!

dr.bollocko

Larry David wrote:

I do it. Usually once it starts moving, you can nip in front of a van, a truck or a Micra/Yaris/Punto driver, as they all take off so slow - no harm done in the end, as I'm just filling a gaping gap left my some sucker taking off to slow.

Man that's jackass driving.
Go and crash for yourself then you might learn something.
**** sake.

Juan Pablo

Every morning you see Q jumpers on the N11 where you turn right at RTE to go down Nutley lane. I'll admit I have done it once or twice where a gap becomes available (as queing from the very back under the bridge past the montrose can take 20 minutes some mornings :eek: ) but felt like a right knobhead doing it. Now I find it far easier to take the left hand turn off the N11 into the residential area at Greenfield Park, perform a U turn then drive straight down onto Nutley with no Q! Safer, doent p*** any motorists and is far quicker. I am surprised there isn't more prangs at that junction as the middle lane of the DC is always snarled up from Q jumpers jousting to get in.

seamus

I really only do it by mistake. Generally when you get a junction with two lanes, both with arrows for going straight ahead. Of course, on the opposite side of the junction, down the road the lane becomes a right-turn or left-turn only lane. Everyone has lined up in one lane, and I think, "Ah great, nice empty lane for me". Then when I get across the junction, I have to push into the other lane.

I don't consider that queue-jumping, since the junction says straight ahead, but if I'm familiar with the junction, I'll usually go into the correct lane.

Victor_M

This drives me mad, the small advantage Ez pass holders should have is frequently ruined by A$$holes in the EZ pass lane trying to butt into the pay lane just in front of the barrier. No one in the correct lane lets them in either (rightly so) and they end up holding up the traffic in the Ez lane. Lights, horn, window down abuse from me every time!:mad:

I don't queue jump, nor do I let queue jumpers in.

Bicky

I would never do it on purpose but i seem to lack the ability to judge lane changes and if i miss it i will indicate to try get in. I would also let someone in if they indicate.

I think driving in traffic is such a bad experience and people are forced to do it for hours every day until they get narky. Nobody wants to give way and if you let someone else out they often do not acknowledge you for it.

JamesM

BrianD3 wrote:

For instance if someone is driving along a m-way or dual carriageway and saves time by driving off the mainline at an interchange adn then straight back on again. I don't see anything illegal with that but it is queue jumping and contributes to conjestion as it increase the amount of merging traffic.

Yesterday afternoon traffic heading north on the M50 was backed up to Firhouse exit. I was leaving at the Tallaght exit heading for Templeogue. Nearly all the cars in front and around me headed straight across the roundabout and went back down to the M50 having jumped maybe 1K of a queue.
Jim.

Idleater

Larry David wrote:

I do it. Usually once it starts moving, you can nip in front of a van, a truck or a Micra/Yaris/Punto driver, as they all take off so slow - no harm done in the end, as I'm just filling a gaping gap left my some sucker taking off to slow.

I'm with Larry on this one, but only when I am on the bike. No offence, but all cars are all "suckers who take off slowly" compared to bikes.

When I am in the car, unfortunately it is a 1.0l so I revert to sucker status for Larry to take advantage of, so I do not queue jump.

Personally, I believe it is the queue jumpers that agravate the queue for themselves to jump if you get me.

L

Alun

nereid wrote:

I'm with Larry on this one, but only when I am on the bike. No offence, but all cars are all "suckers who take off slowly" compared to bikes.

I'd have to disagree judging by most of the bikers who filter in front of me at the lights on the N11 in the morning and then pull away like a wet fart causing me to brake to avoid running into the back of them Mind you most car drivers here seem to be afraid to accelerate away from lights at more than about 0.000001 km/h^2 anyway, so maybe it's something in the water, I don't know?

Supercell

Alun wrote:

I'd have to disagree judging by most of the bikers who filter in front of me at the lights on the N11 in the morning and then pull away like a wet fart causing me to brake to avoid running into the back of them Mind you most car drivers here seem to be afraid to accelerate away from lights at more than about 0.000001 km/h^2 anyway, so maybe it's something in the water, I don't know?

Any decent sized bike (600cc +) will leave 95% or more of the cars on the road for dust at lights without even trying
Sometimes I miss my bike..well a little bit..not at this time of year much though.

Alun

Longfield wrote:

Any decent sized bike (600cc +) will leave 95% or more of the cars on the road for dust at lights without even trying
Sometimes I miss my bike..well a little bit..not at this time of year much though.

Do you really, really think I don't know that? Give me some credit, please

Anyway, just to repeat myself for the hard of hearing ... all I'm saying is that in many, if not most cases, in my experience they don't (for whatever reason), and accelerate away even more slowly than me, not even trying, in my lowly TDCi Focus, which isn't exactly a speed machine at the best of times.

Max_Damage

Back on topic, and I would consider myself a serial lane jumper. Can't stand traffic at all, and will do anything to get through it quicker.

It's quite a fine art to be honest.

Anan1

Larry David wrote:

I do it. Usually once it starts moving, you can nip in front of a van, a truck or a Micra/Yaris/Punto driver, as they all take off so slow - no harm done in the end, as I'm just filling a gaping gap left my some sucker taking off to slow.

With the exception of the use of the word suckers, I'll second this. To be honest, this reduces rather than increases congestion. I wouldn't, however, do it in a situation where to do so would inconvenience or endanger another road user.

opus

Victor_M wrote:

This drives me mad, the small advantage Ez pass holders should have is frequently ruined by A$$holes in the EZ pass lane trying to butt into the pay lane just in front of the barrier. No one in the correct lane lets them in either (rightly so) and they end up holding up the traffic in the Ez lane. Lights, horn, window down abuse from me every time!:mad:
.

I've managed to do this twice (about a year apart) going to the airport cause I don't live in Dublin and it's not obvious if the traffic is heavy that the rightmost lane is for the EZ pass until you're close to the toll plaza. Luckily some kind soul let me merge left each time I'll watch out for it in future now though.

For sure I can imagine how annoying it must be if people do it to you all the time.

Stark

Anan1 wrote:

With the exception of the use of the word suckers, I'll second this. To be honest, this reduces rather than increases congestion. I wouldn't, however, do it in a situation where to do so would inconvenience or endanger another road user.

What's the point of taking off fast only to stopped again 2 seconds later? If I drive slowly when the traffic starts moving, it's not because I'm a slow reactor or because my car is slow, it's because it's less stressful to drive at a slow steady space than "vroom. brake. vroom. brake. vroom. brake".

When I do take it steady, I do notice people behind pulling into the hard shoulder and then trying to pull into the gap in front of me. It's fun blocking them off and leaving them in the hard shoulder. It's even more fun if they make a few more attempts at getting in front of me The satisfaction ends though when they zoom up further and some soft touch up front lets them in. :mad:

Larry David

Akrasia wrote:

so you're providing a service then? good man yourself. idiot. I suppose you're the guy who undertakes people at every opportunity and takes roundabouts in the wrong lane because it might save you 30 seconds?

No - I don't undertake or use roundabouts incorrectly. Roundabouts are my specialty.

Larry David

Wishbone Ash wrote:

I take it that you've never driven a fully laden truck? Do you really think that truck drivers take off slowly because they are suckers. It may have something to do with the 44 tonnes behind them and a lot more gear changes. :rolleyes:

I really don't give a sh*t 'why' they take off slow - they do it, so I nip in front of them. SImple as.

No harm? Except p-ing other drivers off. Besides, what if there was no 'van, truck or Micra/Yaris/Punto drivers who were slow to take off'? Would you then be holding the trafiic up on your lane?

If there were none of those drivers in the queue, I would ALWAYS find some other sucker who takes off too slow. There's ALWAYS one. I've never (I make a concious effort not to) held up traffic in my own lane, so there's no harm done.

Like I said - I'm just filling a gap that some loser left by taking off too slow. It affects NOBODY - there can either be a huge gap between 2 cars going to waste, or I can be in that gap and save 2 minutes off my journey.

Larry David

Max_Damage wrote:

Back on topic, and I would consider myself a serial lane jumper. Can't stand traffic at all, and will do anything to get through it quicker.

It's quite a fine art to be honest.

Agreed - I really think I have it down to a perfected art. Queues are for suckers and losers - like public transport.

faceman

Fey! wrote:

I hate queue jumpers, but more than that I can't stand the people who let them back into the lane in front of them - leave them stuck and they might think twice about doing it again!

agreed!

wyndham

I do it. It was said earlier that it's quite an art and this is correct. Sometimes you gotta pick a target through profiling. You can always tell who's gonna be slow off the mark or who will leave a forty foot gap in front of them. Look for the L plates and female as they can be easily shafted. Trucks are great too. What I love especially is when they blow the horn at you after you've pulled in in front of them, despite the fact that you would have been able to fit a bus in there. If you don't like it people, tighten up your game!

wyndham

Oh and do I ever let anyone in in front of me?

Do i fcuk?;)

Larry David

wyndham wrote:

Oh and do I ever let anyone in in front of me?

Do i fcuk?;)

Me neither - I just make sure there's no gap for anyone to pull that sh*t on me. It's called reasonable forward progress, and is actually the proper way to drive - losers who leave big gaps are making traffic worse, as it means 3 or 4 cars less get through the lights on each turn.

Anan1

Stark wrote:

What's the point of taking off fast only to stopped again 2 seconds later? If I drive slowly when the traffic starts moving, it's not because I'm a slow reactor or because my car is slow, it's because it's less stressful to drive at a slow steady space than "vroom. brake. vroom. brake. vroom. brake".

I think we're takling at cross purposes here. I'll give you an example of when I do queue jump, I'm not sure whether you know the road, but here goes: Coming up Newtownpark Avenue from Blackrock, you come to a set of traffic lights where the road crosses the Stillorgan dual carriageway. There is one straight ahead lane, a turn right lane and one for turning left. The green cycle is very short, so there is often a fairly long tailback. This situation is compounded by people taking ages to get going when the lights go green, leaving huge gaps etc. I use the turn right lane and almost always manage to merge into a large gap and go straight ahead. The gaps left are such that I am not in any way cutting in on the car behind. On the rare occasion where there is no suitable gap, I'll stay in lane and turn right - it's still much quicker than waiting in the queue. Traffic on the far side of the intersection is usually light, so I'm not delaying anyone there either.

Stark wrote:

When I do take it steady, I do notice people behind pulling into the hard shoulder and then trying to pull into the gap in front of me. It's fun blocking them off and leaving them in the hard shoulder. It's even more fun if they make a few more attempts at getting in front of me The satisfaction ends though when they zoom up further and some soft touch up front lets them in. :mad:

This is why I specified that I wouldn't queue-jump in a situation where to do so would inconvenience or endanger another road user.

franksm

Anan1 wrote:

Coming up Newtownpark Avenue from Blackrock, you come to a set of traffic lights where the road crosses the Stillorgan dual carriageway. There is one straight ahead lane, a turn right lane and one for turning left...

I use the turn right lane and almost always manage to merge into a large gap and go straight ahead...

This is why I specified that I wouldn't queue-jump in a situation where to do so would inconvenience or endanger another road user.

Is that right-turn lane marked for right-turn-only ? or straight-or-right ? If the former, you're breaking the law.

Same as using bus-lanes during bus hours, same as running red lights. I've surprised some "right turn misusers" on the Nangor road and around Ongar by being as quick off the lights as they are, and then blasting them out of it with the horn when they try to bully their way into the left/straight lanes

Renegade_Archer

The Dublin Road coming out of Drogheda is _chronic_ for this - the lane on the left is for turning into the Soctch Hall Car park, there is always some... inconsiderate person who feels the need to undertake around 20 cars that did the right thing and stayed in the correct lane, and then squeeze back in again. I once commited the sin of not letting a taxi driver in in front of me, who then proceeded to follow me to the pub I was going to and ask me if I wanted a fight...

wyndham

Renegade_Archer wrote:

I once commited the sin of not letting a taxi driver in in front of me, who then proceeded to follow me to the pub I was going to and ask me if I wanted a fight...

Did you give him one (a fight that is;) )?

Anan1

franksm wrote:

Is that right-turn lane marked for right-turn-only ? or straight-or-right ? If the former, you're breaking the law.

Same as using bus-lanes during bus hours, same as running red lights. I've surprised some "right turn misusers" on the Nangor road and around Ongar by being as quick off the lights as they are, and then blasting them out of it with the horn when they try to bully their way into the left/straight lanes

Of course I'm breaking the law. Read my post. I've already said that if there isn't a big enough gap to merge without inconveniencing anyone then I turn right.

franksm

Anan1 wrote:

Of course I'm breaking the law. Read my post. I've already said that if there isn't a big enough gap to merge without inconveniencing anyone then I turn right.

Calm down - I'm not from Dublin, so I don't know that road and its markings. One other thing I have noticed which is widespread in Dublin and not (yet) in the north is peoples' willingness to "jump the queue" by speeding through red lights up to 5 seconds after they have gone red, when they somehow deem it "safe" to do so.

Safe as in "turn off any peripheral vision, stare straight ahead and blast on through the lights".

Red lights, bus lane misuse, running up the hardshoulder, barging in at the end of the easipass lane, barging in at the end of specific/directional lanes --> all of that sort of queue-jumping behaviour stinks

I that is why they deploy the police at major roundabuots like Liffey Valley ? And what a waste of money that is - just to stop ar$eholes from mocking the rules of the road

Idleater

wyndham wrote:

Oh and do I ever let anyone in in front of me?

Do i fcuk?;)

Delightful, Yourself and Larry David are a credit to the general motoring public.

Oh, and you let me in in front of you the other day. Thanks. Chump.

Just to let you know, that queue "jumping" and swapping lanes like you do does impact on the queue behind. For the simple reason that there are now x+1 cars in that lane and for that reason, x-1 cars don't get through that change of lights because you have taken up a space in that lane 20m further up the road.

L.

Larry David

nereid wrote:

Just to let you know, that queue "jumping" and swapping lanes like you do does impact on the queue behind. For the simple reason that there are now x+1 cars in that lane and for that reason, x-1 cars don't get through that change of lights because you have taken up a space in that lane 20m further up the road.

L.

Oh no - I feel so guilty.