Smith machine question.

Degsy

If i can bench 80 kilos on the hammer strength machine with the bar weighing 20 kilos,am i allowed to boast down the pub that i can bench 100 kilos?

justsomebloke

if it is a hammer strenght smith machine are you sure the bar is 20kg as with an oly bar as on most of the hammer strenght stuff I think the bar on the smith machines is only 7kg (15 lbs).

But to answer you original question I would go with a no but that is just my personel view, but if they don't go to the gym who are they to know;)

Dragan

Degsy wrote:

If i can bench 80 kilos on the hammer strength machine with the bar weighing 20 kilos,am i allowed to boast down the pub that i can bench 100 kilos?

It depends on your crowd to be honest. If it's a bunch on non lifters, then sure, knock yourself out, they won't know.

However always expect to have some smart cnut who will sit there and say ( this is normally me in most situations to be honest ) "Most people don't count the bar for smith benching, on account of it being a piece of piss", if only just to wind you up.

Dan133269

still pretty good though, how many reps can you do with it? and how heavy are ya?

Degsy

Dan133269 wrote:

still pretty good though, how many reps can you do with it? and how heavy are ya?

Two at the moment..i'm 14 stone and carrying a bit of blubber.

Dragan

Degsy wrote:

Two at the moment..i'm 14 stone and carrying a bit of blubber.

So let her walk dude!!!!! :eek:

Degsy

Dragan wrote:

So let her walk dude!!!!! :eek:

You're a funny guy dragan...a funny,funny guy.:D

daveirl

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Dragan

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Nah, only if it's a free Oly bar. Cuz then i know it's 20kilo's. Even when i'm doing EZ Curls and stuff i don't count the bar, cuz i have never heard a common consensus as to the weight of it, so i just don't consider it.

For me, counting the bar on the smith is a bit too much like trying to figure out the weight of the sled on a leg press...just don't worry about it and try and add some little plates each time.

Degsy

The bar on the one i use is deffo 20 kilos,its the same size as the olympic bars we have too.I'll try for 85 kilos tonight then i can brag down the pub later

Dragan

Degsy wrote:

The bar on the one i use is deffo 20 kilos,its the same size as the olympic bars we have too.I'll try for 85 kilos tonight then i can brag down the pub later

Don't forget though, non lifters always say "and whats that in stone" before they appreciate the weight!! So make sure you work it out before you go man.

Degsy

I know.I've been deadlifting 120 kilos as well but non-lifters dont know what a deadlift is and assume you're not lifting it properly or using pulleys or soemthing!

King of Kings

i'd count the bar. But only on smith machine cos the other bars weight sfa.
but I'd rarely boast down the pub cos it would mean nowt to those that don't train and those that do have all trained with me in the past so they know what's what

mloc

On the smith machine in UCD, the bar is pretty much cancelled out by the friction of the machine/support cables etc. I'd give it 3kg, max.

daveirl

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g'em

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yup, standard Oly bars weigh just a touch over 20kg.

Chucky the tree

No one counts the bar.


Unless your too embarrised(sp) by what your are lifting and what to bump it up.

mloc

The olympic bar weighs in at around 20kg, I'd definately count that. As for noone counting it, thats BS, its counted in every sporting event its used in.

20kg isn't exactly nothing. For many beginners, I'd imagine, 20kg is a very significant portion of what they'd be lifting.

Degsy

Chucky the tree wrote:

No one counts the bar.


Unless your too embarrised(sp) by what your are lifting and what to bump it up.

Thats pretty much what i was hinting at!

Jak

Smith benching is not olympic benching and the fixed axis means it is simply not comparable. If you can bench 100kg on the smith then you can bench 100kg on the smith - that's all. It would take a few minutes to see if you can bench 100kg free.

Also you should always count the weight of the bar in olympic lifting - it's not cheating or inflating the lift - the bar weights 20kg and you are lifting it with the plates so that is your lift. It is pretty straight forward.

If you are training in the same gym week in week out - you should find out what the bar weighs for all excersises (EZ/Smith etc) and keep track.

You can always boast whatever way you like, but it won't affect your lifting in the gym. Equally you shouldn't need to tell people you are strong.

JAK.

Budd

For the guy who mentioned the EZ curl bar...7.5kg is the figure I've always used. Anybody confirm this?

Degsy

Jak wrote:

Smith benching is not olympic benching and the fixed axis means it is simply not comparable. If you can bench 100kg on the smith then you can bench 100kg on the smith - that's all. It would take a few minutes to see if you can bench 100kg free.

Also you should always count the weight of the bar in olympic lifting - it's not cheating or inflating the lift - the bar weights 20kg and you are lifting it with the plates so that is your lift. It is pretty straight forward.

If you are training in the same gym week in week out - you should find out what the bar weighs for all excersises (EZ/Smith etc) and keep track.

You can always boast whatever way you like, but it won't affect your lifting in the gym. Equally you shouldn't need to tell people you are strong.

JAK.

chillax..i had my tongue in my cheek..

t-ha

Jak wrote:

If you are training in the same gym week in week out - you should find out what the bar weighs for all excersises (EZ/Smith etc) and keep track.

Great post - just highlighted the 'keeping track' bit because, for me, that's why I record weights - so I know I'm progressing and can track it. From that point of view I give the olympic bars a weight of 45lbs and the small barbells and EZ bars a weight of 20lbs. It's completely possible that I'm wrong with the exact weights, but since I use the same bars every time it makes no difference anyway.

Same way that I don't bother to convert machine plates to 'lbs' if it's not stamped on the plates - I just record the number of plates and then I know what I should be lifting next time.

King of Kings

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I'm not too up on my bars...i just asked teh dude in the ym how muhc teh smith was and hesaid 20kg....

I think I use the oly bar for my deadlift's it does seem heavier than the smith.

Then again when I go with my bro to TF in coolock I can bench (free barbell) as i can on the smith.

(My gym ALSAA is a bit cheap and don't have a rack to hold the bar so benching and squats need to be done on the smith)

TerrorFirmer

Should you be able to lift considerably more on the smith as opposed to the normal bench? Because...I can't...:D

Chucky the tree

Degsy wrote:

Thats pretty much what i was hinting at!

lie.



On a saturday night i always tell the ladies i can bench 120 and d/l 200.

justsomebloke

HavoK wrote:

Should you be able to lift considerably more on the smith as opposed to the normal bench? Because...I can't...:D

See it all depends some smith machines use the standard olympic bar in them however some smith machines use a bar that is only 7.5kg which is a difference of around 12.5kg, so you probably have a smith machine with a proper bar on it, That or your brain refuse to lift more then a 20kg plate either side of any sort of bar