Future in IT. What should I do?

junii

Hi,
My cousin works for a major multinational and has built up many contacts and made friends
with various entrepreneurs and venture capitalists over the years.

He thinks that I should go to work for some of the companies his friends are involved with.
Many are web 2.0 startups with huge funding and theres some other more established ones like
skype. At the moment I am not really well qualified at all. I just have my A+, will have N+
soon, am studying for my CCNA and have over three years exp at desktop support.

I also have some experience setting up Linux servers...DNS, mail and web but nothing I could
put on a CV but this is a avenue I could be interested in pursuing. Perhaps more UNIX though
than Linux.

Before I go to any of these companies I would first like to get myself properly specialised.
I want to do this in as short a timespace as possible.
Im not sure which route to take though. Up to recently I was thinking CCIE but I have have
since heard that the market is getting saturated. I know for this anyways I would need
some serious exp. to get that qualification but if I was was on my way towards it that would
be fine.

I know its down to what im interested in but im interested in many aspects of networking
and also systems administration like unix et cetera. Im hoping not to have to go down the MCSE
route but if it would be beneficial to my career I would do a crash 4 week course or
something just to get it out of the way.

What would you do if you were just starting your career now experienced IT people?

ntlbell

Do whatever you enjoy most.

Ph3n0m

I would say Java, Java, Java - there is always demand for Java developers

junii

ntlbell wrote:

Do whatever you enjoy most.

What id enjoy most is not having to work at all. Im looking for something that will offer the best opportunities and good salaries.

Cuddlesworth

Course's only teach you so much, experiance is much better. Put out your cv's to jobs you want and hope your knowledge base in the interview shines above them.

shoegirl

There is still huge demand and undersupply, esp in ireland, for CCNPs, never mind CCIEs. As Cisco qualifications expire after 3 years, I would hardly think that the market would saturate like the A+ or N+.

I did a very similar route myself - A+, N+ and CCNA as well as ITIL and soon to be Linux+ and am in the unique position of having 2 offers at my feet right now at salaries I never even imagined 2 or 3 years ago. The experience is great to have, but certifications are liked by employers.

ntlbell

junii wrote:

What id enjoy most is not having to work at all. Im looking for something that will offer the best opportunities and good salaries.

What do you consider a good oppotunity? what do you want to do? what interests you most?

Don't worry about the money that will come.

Choose an area that you will enjoy learning and you won't work a day in your life.

Hobbes

Certs are just icing for Experience.

junii

ntlbell wrote:

What do you consider a good oppotunity? what do you want to do? what interests you most?

Don't worry about the money that will come.

Choose an area that you will enjoy learning and you won't work a day in your life.

You know im not really sure what id consider a good opportunity but I know I would enjoy working with cisco equipment or UNIX machines. A mix if possible.

My real reason though for getting into a good field with good money is so I can pay to train as a commercial air pilot. This costs over 70k so I would need to be earning respectable money.


If I did get started with cisco and got to CCNP stage where could I go to get the experience.. what im really asking is would there be many opportunities to get experience.

Kali

You seem to be completly unable to put a CV together, so allow me:

"Three years exp at desktop support" .... what do you do there?
"Linux servers...DNS, mail and web" ... list them all! postfix? bind? exim? apache? LIST LIST LIST
"Have my A+, will have N+ soon, am studying for my CCNA." .. brilliant shows initiative.. put it under your qualifications/certifications heading.

Theres a fair few startup companies using open-source software that would love a fairly competent IT/system admin with knowledge of linux and networking... its something I've done in three different companies.

projectmayhem

Ph3n0m wrote:

I would say Java, Java, Java - there is always demand for Java developers

was going to say this myself. sure even yesterday some guys from IBM gave a short lecture on how cool IBM is and how we should all apply to work there ASAP, and they talked about Java quite a bit

"...we do have c++ devs too, but it's all java these days" being the gist of it

if you look up job listings you'll find java earns you more then c/c++

DublinWriter

junii wrote:

What would you do if you were just starting your career now experienced IT people?

I'd forget IT, do a BL and become a Barrister, basically.

You may love the technical end of IT now in your early 20's, but by your 30's it will start to grind you down, by your 40's you will hate it with a passion.

But I'd advise you to stick with Java. It's fairly widely supported by numerous vendors.

The problem with anything M$ based is that every three years they come out and go "hey? remember that hot new technology we told everyone to get into three years ago? Forget that crap! Here's something new that we can sell licences for and that you should be learning!".

aFlabbyPanda

DublinWriter wrote:

You may love the technical end of IT now in your early 20's, but by your 30's it will start to grind you down, by your 40's you will hate it with a passion.

thats very true. I've been doing tech support (now the senior engineer) for nearly 10 years. and now I'm beginning to get sick of it. I'm MS certified (MCSA & MCSE) but I was thinking of getting either cisco or linux experience/certification to change as I feel there isnt much else for me to do.

I'd love a complete change of career but with mortgage, bills, etc its a bit hard to take a drop in salary while I gain experience in another field.

DonkeyStyle \o/

DublinWriter wrote:

You may love the technical end of IT now in your early 20's, but by your 30's it will start to grind you down, by your 40's you will hate it with a passion.

Heh, I met a taxi-driver who used to be a sys-admin... said he just burned out.
I'd well believe it.

Hobbes

projectmayhem wrote:

if you look up job listings you'll find java earns you more then c/c++

I find that a wee bit hard to believe. More likely J2EE earns you more then c/c++ and thats a whole new kettle of fish.

Static M.e.

The problem with anything M$ based is that every three years they come out and go "hey? remember that hot new technology we told everyone to get into three years ago? Forget that crap! Here's something new that we can sell licences for and that you should be learning!".

This is actually a good thing.

junii

DublinWriter wrote:

I'd forget IT, do a BL and become a Barrister, basically.

You may love the technical end of IT now in your early 20's, but by your 30's it will start to grind you down, by your 40's you will hate it with a passion.

But I'd advise you to stick with Java. It's fairly widely supported by numerous vendors.

The problem with anything M$ based is that every three years they come out and go "hey? remember that hot new technology we told everyone to get into three years ago? Forget that crap! Here's something new that we can sell licences for and that you should be learning!".

Yeah, I already am beginning to hate it. Thats why I have to earn enough money to afford to get pilot training.

junii

shoegirl wrote:

There is still huge demand and undersupply, esp in ireland, for CCNPs, never mind CCIEs. As Cisco qualifications expire after 3 years, I would hardly think that the market would saturate like the A+ or N+.

I did a very similar route myself - A+, N+ and CCNA as well as ITIL and soon to be Linux+ and am in the unique position of having 2 offers at my feet right now at salaries I never even imagined 2 or 3 years ago. The experience is great to have, but certifications are liked by employers.

How should I go about getting cisco experience, do you think?

shoegirl: What area are you working in? Cisco? What kind of experience do you have and what kind of jobs have you been offered? Did you go to college and do you find this holds you back in this field?

derry

IT for the average joe is the worst industry in the world to do

every few years you got to relearn new crud and when you stop learning or you learn the wrong thing your on the scrap heap

All my aged 40 plus friends in IT are trying anything everthing to get out before IT goes to India where the pay rates are really low

All my friend who got jobs in Law teaching managment civil service insurance etc are better of and more secure

The IT industry lies through it teeth we need more this thast workers and unversities etc train them so as to keep wages low and profits up

The IT is like the pop music industry
a few mega buck made it guys and the idiots at the bottom


IT RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN FROM THIS LOSERS GAME

Derry

Kali

IT for the average joe is the worst industry in the world to do

Average Joes should stick to working in Spars so.

DublinWriter

Static M.e. wrote:

This is actually a good thing.

Not for businesses it isn't.

That copy of MS-Word for Windows V.2 that you were using in 1994 would probably serve most of your needs today.

A zillion upgrades later and you're still where you began. No wait, you get a dancing paperclip now.

Apart from the cost, there's also the stability issues about ripping out working systems to replace them with the 'latest and greatest'.

I remember how many working Novell shops initially 'upgraded' to NT server in the mid/late 90's and paid the price in terms of performance, managability and functionality. But hey! Bill said 'NT' stood for 'New Technology' and a million IT'er went 'baaaaa' like sheep.

No wonder IT has such a bad rep with the business function it serves in most companies.

accensi0n

Concerning the CCIE and the quickest way to it.

http://www.techexams.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15098

unklerosco

shoegirl wrote:

am in the unique position of having 2 offers at my feet right now at salaries I never even imagined 2 or 3 years ago.

Im just wondering what kinda salaries are these jobs getting, say id a A+, Net+ and 1 yrs experience in a basic IT role.. What would i be looking at getting??

Now say 4-5 yrs down the line, after specialising in a certain area with a few more certs what would u be looking at???

Ziycon

Security! Theres always going to be a need for security no matter how well or bad the IT industry is doing!

CountryWise

Im just wondering what kinda salaries are these jobs getting, say id a A+, Net+ and 1 yrs experience in a basic IT role.. What would i be looking at getting??

Just on this note i was thinking of starting a new thread, wether people admit it or not everyone likes to know what other jobs/positions people are in these days and the salaries they are on,experience in their fields etc, not being intrusive but knowing the market out there is important in negotiating a new contract........

Obviosuly people can juts go un-reg

Kali

unklerosco wrote:

Im just wondering what kinda salaries are these jobs getting, say id a A+, Net+ and 1 yrs experience in a basic IT role.. What would i be looking at getting??

Now say 4-5 yrs down the line, after specialising in a certain area with a few more certs what would u be looking at???

For the former.. upto 23k.
For the latter.. upto 55k.

Millionaire

I place System Admin, and Network Engs, and Tech Support lads, near 10 years now in Dublin, so I sort of know the demand.

You said you got 3 years desktop support and an interest in networking and cisco?

Get your certifications, study hard, keep up your desktop support work, try and get as much hands on as posssible.

The whole PC Support area has lots in interesting niches, with some cross over...you d know this better then me!!! Network Engineer, Cisco Eng, IT Security Eng, System Admin route leading to Team Leader someday leading to IT Manager.

I have one client a major global player, and they outsourced an IT Security Engineer job to an Indian company in India, just because me nor anyone else could not find them a guy with the right experience.

There is great demand for Network Engineers.

Field Service Engineers, with good hands on MCSE Server, networking, and people skills has a good demand.

Also it your a good engineer, you can get into decent companies like say a large bank or multinational with a massive user network and IT Set up, where the money is good, and the bonus and benefits and training great.

If I were you, nased on what I see, and the fact last month I had 5 different field engineer jobs with 5 good companies, where very strong MS Server and CISCO experience and certs were needed, I would stick on the networking path.

Like the whole IT Sector, is not going to close up and go to India!!!!

Look at all those Small and Medium Businesses (Non IT ones law offices, small companies, hospitlas, schools etc) in Dublin alone with anywhere from 5 to 50 people on the user network.... do you think they are going to all turn around and outsource their networks to India???

Not a chance mate.... these guys, like locals companies they have personal relationships calling in to do break and fix work on their networks.

You got loads of opportunity.

The main difference btwn the lads who get the best jobs with the best companies with the best money, is that they have got the extra certifications, and the extra experience, and have made an effort to get there.

Unfortunately the more "run of the mill" support lads who did not bother to get the certs , nor push themseleves into an area to learn more, are usually the ones who get passed over, or have to take pay cuts to make a career move.

Hope that helps.

Re Starts ups....sounds like software start ups? They want developers. .NET lads, heavy Java people.... not network engineer types.

Plus most of the companies who I place networks people with, were around 10 years ago and still are here in business and going strong ..... 80% of the companies (if not more) I placed software engineers with in 98 -2001 are NOT around no more. i hope that does not happen again though!

Hope this info helps you a little.

good luck with whatever move you decide on.

monkey tennis

derry wrote:

IT for the average joe is the worst industry in the world to do
...
IT RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN FROM THIS LOSERS GAME

Bitter, anyone? Anyone stuck at the bottom rung of IT because of their own incompetence or laziness deserves what they get. Those who actually know what they're doing and work hard at it get the good salaries (e.g. Unix admin, security specialist, enterprise programmer).

I have no interest in dentistry, so I didn't become a dentist. Why would you enter the IT industry if you have no interest in IT? Every day we have to hear people who don't belong in IT moaning about IT.

axer

monkey tennis wrote:

Bitter, anyone? Anyone stuck at the bottom rung of IT because of their own incompetence or laziness deserves what they get. Those who actually know what they're doing and work hard at it get the good salaries (e.g. Unix admin, security specialist, enterprise programmer).

I have no interest in dentistry, so I didn't become a dentist. Why would you enter the IT industry if you have no interest in IT? Every day we have to hear people who don't belong in IT moaning about IT.

Well Said Monkey Tennis. Thats the problem with many people working in IT. They don't want to be there. Those that do want to be there enjoy learning new technologies as they emerge and do well in the industry but those that are not techies end up having to constantly do courses and stay on the bottom rung.

OP, Get your CCNP and maybe do something like RHCE.

See here for whats "considered" the top qualifications to get:
http://certcities.com/editorial/features/story.asp?EditorialsID=95

leeroybrown

As far I'm concerned it's only worth my while being in IT if I can find interesting and challenging jobs where I can learn new skills and progress. If I have a job that bores me then I won't want to hang around for long.

I'm a Unix/Linux Admin and work in a very specific niche of IT. I have a job where my focus is largely self-driven and I get to do a lot of what I would consider interesting things. I've previously had jobs as a developer but I changed field because I ended up with mundane repetitive jobs where I got bored quickly. The main reason I changed is that I felt that I had a better chance of finding interesting work doing systems.

I think that IT is a great area to work if you can keep yourself motivated and interested but if you let yourself fall into a situation where you can't do that then you're probably better off elsewhere.

Gerry

Agreed leeroybrown. Its difficult to find a job in an interesting niche though. My last admin job was not terribly interesting, so I decided to get some full on development experience. Its a mixed bag, I get to write C for embedded systems, which I love, and I've also done quite a lot of .NET, which is in the "useful to know" category. I've also learned a fair bit of VB I could not imagine working with c# or java 100% of the time, its just too high level for me. I'd like to do some linux/unix development, using + developing open source software as much as possible.
OP - do whatever interests you most, if that is not within IT, you need to be looking elsewhere for a job. Whats the point in complaining about it? Theres enough people moaning about being in IT already.

funk-you

Maybe try get some IBM Rs6000 experience or SUN or HP server experience. If you leave Ireland and go to the UK with it there is some serious money to be made as a Technical Engineer and above. Most of the roles are fairly handy too.
Look into training for these or do work in a testing enviroment (if possible) it'll give you a great grounding to build a career.

-Funk

derry

junii

If you wanto fly planes then forget computers and go fly planes
once your over thirty the chances to do flying as a job are drastically reduced
best to start at 18 or 20 or 25 but after that your pushing the envelope to get into that sector

doing computers to get money for pilot training is like becoming a carpenter to make a piono to play music

re:Kali
Average Joes should stick to working in Spars so.

from a fellow kitwe zambo

yeah unless your going to set the computer world alight chances are very high that you will join the white trailer thrash world wide that like to look geeky and getting paid minuim wages doing tecky support for some IT ompany until they make a robot to replace you and you go into the scrrap heap

yeah better to work for spar instead and probably have a better solution


Or you can be stupid like all the bottom feeeders that are in IT as it drifts off to wild east India

thats life a few guys will light up the show like you tube and million will sing the song I gave the best years of muy life to rock and roll....


Derry

DublinWriter

derry wrote:

Or you can be stupid like all the bottom feeeders that are in IT as it drifts off to wild east India

That's a pretty narrow view of things. IT is a 'broad church'.

Typically 70%+ of the people I work with who work within IT in organisations aren't techies by any stretch of the imagination.

It's the same as any professional career. You need to put a bit of forethought into what particular area you'll specialise in and what you actually want to achieve.

The Golden Rule is to do what you enjoy, or at least do what gives you the least pain in the butt for the most rewards in this life.

Many people arrive out of college thinking that they can pick up a cushy number in IT and just enjoy the ride. Sadly those days are gone.

roundcrisis

junii wrote:

What id enjoy most is not having to work at all. Im looking for something that will offer the best opportunities and good salaries.

then go to sales.
I mean it, besides everyone knows that saliers for techies are always pretty low, uless u are really really really good.
My 2 cents.

derry

When they sit on top of a slippery mountain they will generaly profess from on high

Things are great never been better all you got to do is work for peanuts for me for a few years and then its big time for all

the truth is yes one or two will get the cherry and the others will waste thier time working for peanuts
The IT industry is like panning for gold a few hit the mother load and the rest waste thier time

So when they see you question them then they come back you must be a sicko what you want a pay rise or BITTER yeah we know your type

Look here I been replaced by robots in IT twice in my life in my early thrties but I changed non IT and made much more money so up yours

I have friends who stuck out IT and now they in thier late forties with certs to beat the band years of experience in UNIX BLA BLA but nobody wants them they are 20 plus and want real money more than 23K and macdough counter staff get 24K and google telphone reply staff no computer experience get 24K

get real if you gone to college got a degree you want 40K

they pay 23K 25 K but 30K forget it they got millions of dead heads with degrees they can get

SUCKERS are born every day and IT workers are the BIGGEST SUCKERS PERIOD

and go read the latest newscientest magizine and look the rates of pay for graduates most in 20K sterling and then look finance or others and probably find it 30 to 40 k

And an airline pilot will probably be sure to get 80K plus per year and even Ryan air might dent that to 60K that still a whole lot more than most IT staff at 50 years old


but the agencies they got to tell you tripe

and when I say show me names companies details ahhh its confidendential

yeah confedential TRIPE

and INDIA you ant seen nothing yet the software which was myby 80% of IT went there and networks which can now bee mostly done remotly with a few cheapo teck in a car to the monky work will probably go the same way so 80% of that to INDIA or wherever

I see a fire I shout RUN

the dick head managers in 911 said stay still wait for the instruction what to do

the yellow pack $10 per hour type said up yours were gone and they lived and a lot of the managment is gone and sometimes I wonder who were the real baddies anyway


One of the lesser known dirty secret of the IT buisness is they have a high rate of staff losing the marbles
So early on in IT industry was this detected that as early as 1970 era Aerlingus fed up with 90% staff sickness rate in IT switched over to agency staff even it cost more cause it was cheaper

Guinesses also would not aloow staff to stay in IT more than 18 months a

and that only a small tip of the iceberg that I know of


A close relitive who sold his IT network company employing some 200 staff for over a million in 1999 boom time said to me
YOU WANT TO BE OUT OF YOUR TINY TREE TO BE IN I.T. as for every winner thier are thousands and thousands of losers and he came close to bust three times and figures that it luck to make it like winning the lotto

So me BITTER get real I left IT in 1990 when computer software displaced us electronic tecky guys with robots on the assembly line and since then I just play with computers as that seems to what good they are and make my money for paying the bills with real work somewhere else that pays money and less stress than my friends who hung in on the IT TRIP

AGENCIES WHAT A LAUGH THEY CAN PROMISE ANYTHING AND SUCKER YOU IF YOU DONT BE CAREFUL SUCKERs

Derry

Blowfish

derry wrote:

<insane ranting>

Have you even looked at irish jobs sites? There are thousands of jobs with good wages, most of them just need a few years experience plus a couple of certs, and you'll be on 40-60k.

derry

Say a company want s somebody

they contact all the agencies say twenty plus

so if you see 20,000 jobs then devide by 20 and you got 1000

then filter out the fake jobs that dont exist that are maky up just to get you to register witrh them and your probably at 500

filter out the jobs that have a you must wotk for lesser rates for six months eg bonus or other how not to pay you schemes so they boot you out after a short contract and mayby you got 100 jobs left

and then stick in other variables such as UK based company will prefer to import UK staff or it teck support to poland and they want to pay as little as possibe abut they have to advertize for legal reasons a job that already allocted and you start to see

THERE IS SOMETHING ROTTEN IN THE STATE OF


SUCKERS

now another example I can give is my highly certified LINUX MS 2003 2005 bla bla UNIX network eastern europen friend who worked canada for several years so english no problem then come to stupid ireland After getting a few crappy 20k to 24k jobs in IT in Ireland for a year or so switched to a UK job for one year contract with mega teleco that paid 30K sterling and free three bedroom house in romford essex and he worked on UNIX sytems of a mega scale until the contract finished

some 6 months unemployed back in his eastern european country

he worked with full time staff that got 60K but the company will never ever again employ full time when they can get agency staff for a lot less and the agency probably get 30% the pay packet

SO IT WORLD WIDE is a suckers game

Oh but then you will say get another cert

chances are you run or benifit from the schools that issue the certs

derry

Blowfish

derry wrote:

So me BITTER get real I left IT in 1990 when computer software displaced us electronic tecky guys with robots on the assembly line and since then I just play with computers as that seems to what good they are and make my money for paying the bills with real work somewhere else that pays money and less stress than my friends who hung in on the IT TRIP

"electronic tecky guys" on assembly lines would come under electronics/electrical engineering more than IT.

Zambia

If you are being ground down at this stage , do something else ....

However remember for some off us , its work in general we dislike not any paticular Career choice.

Oh I hate IT I wish I could go back in time and burn my old Atari that got me into this mess.

Mortgage = Golden Handcuffs

derry

OH forgive me us pleb 1990 stone age tecky guys withn our abilty to program in assembler and machine code if nessary and could do some few bits of cobal and fortran were just not good enegh were our level three city and guilds electronic cert to go onto the new computer age

after all we were all washed up 30 something working for a crappy agency in south UK for a Mega major computer maufacturing companty at the time

No the company installed Robits to build the hard disks and mother boards which if they broke down the punters would bin them and buy a new computer
but the company had plans to open a operation in ireland but the unfortnate facts were the pay was half the rate do you want the job orr the big or if you sign up for the $2000 dollar computer city and guilds retraining program take a 50% drop in income for 6 months you can get another crappy job on our coding section
the fact you already know how to do that job as you learnt it as you went along dosnt count you have to have the city and guilds in coding
and yeah we are sorry that your rate of pay along with the other 90% of the tecky staff is half the full employees rate but we havent hired or intend to hire staff in the future direct ever again

power drop laptop interuption

continued

And in the coding job your system of payment is you get paid for each working block of code
code dont work no money

So I decided at that point several certs down stream that I would prefer to join my friend on the BMW assembly line installing dash boards as it paid more and get off this thread mill of constant upgrading certs

OK so thats my problem but when I saw that my more intelegent university qualified friends with degrees in electronics and engineering were also geting the shove a few years later downstream then it seemed to me there was a pattern

Noiw if I look at all my groups of friends all of them virtualy did better off when they were not in IT

So I get bored listning twenty thirty something and the last few perminant reminant staff of IT companies going on how great is IT

IT SUCKS

its the worst industry ever invented and each year its spits out more and more victims of this so called gold rush than any other buisness


Yes some people are born to be gold panner or IT geks or whatever

but unless your born to that sector AVIOD IT LIKE THE PLAUGE it EVIL in its comptempual way its suckers its victims with promises of untold wealth but first take a pay cut and get shares that are not worth the paper until you keep them 5 years and guess what we will have sold the company out for a siong before that probably ten times so your shares will be worth SQUAT

every industry is tending to copy this modelbut IT is leading this way to disposal methods for workers that will go on the scrap heap of the tecky worl in thier thirty somethings unless we can figure another way to string them along

So whats the story nowadays what you can only do C we realy need Java this year but you reakly best to do a cert in RUBY or RUBY on rails if you want to work for another three years and after that well chances are your thiry five way too old to learn new tricks BYE BYE
what you got a degree when in 1995 why thats stone age they barely had computers then what did you learn on a spectrum 81 commodore 64
should have studied accountancy then you to could fire all the thirty somethings employ the new twenty somethings for a few years get the best from them and scrap them tooooo

Lifes a bitch

and IT needs old hands like it needs the plaugue

Derry

mickoneill30

To the op.

CCNA is good but you're going to need experience too. Is there any chance you can get that experience in your current company. Generally I don't think you'll be hired to look after routers / switches just on the basis of a CCNA and no experience (unless they're looking for somebody really cheap). Don't bother doing a 4 week cram course for an MCSE. You'll get the cert but you won't remember the information and it will be obvious in any interview you go to. What would be way more beneficial is to do one or two MCPs on your own time. Ones that are relevant to your career path (if you're in desktop support now doing the XP exam. Don't worry about it being made obsolete by Vista, companies will be using it for at least another 3 years) would supplement your unix skills, same for Windows Server).

Unlike some of the other posters on this site, I've been working in IT for about 12 years now and I love it and I get paid what I think is a good wage. You have to start at the bottom generally but if you've got half a brain you'll get more responsibility and interesting roles after a couple of years. If you don't you'll be in the same role for 10 years (there are plenty of people like that too). It's interesting and varied and there's plenty to learn. I suppose a lot depends on your aptitude / attitude. There's a lot of learning though so if you want a job that's the same day after day IT isn't it.

mickoneill30

derry wrote:

OH forgive me us pleb 1990 stone age tecky guys withn our abilty to program in assembler and machine code if nessary and could do some few bits of cobal and fortran were just not good enegh were our level three city and guilds electronic cert to go onto the new computer age

Derry, if I read stuff like that with your lack of punctuation and little sense I wouldn't be hiring you for any high paid techy jobs either.

There are plenty of jobs in Ireland for more than 24K and really, if you can't find them I wouldn't just be blaming the market in Ireland. If plenty of people can get jobs for more than that and you can't you should be looking at them and see what they're doing better.

derry

Out with the speeling nazis if he cant speel he not for real ignore ignore the problem does not exist I must remind myself not to see the real world they cant spell and worse my god mayby they are right heads betweeen legs kiss behind good bye

who said I am looking for IT job????

Last i saw a kid a few month ago was mixxed up wanted to be a pilot but the IT SOB were trying to drag him down a IT route
he probably gone off tio hollywood in the meantime and become a actor on john wayne films

BOTTOM FEEDERS ATRE SO MUCH FUN HOW THEY LOVE TO DEFEND THE I.T


WHHHHHHEEEEEE

Derry

mickoneill30

It's not shoot the messenger stuff Derry. Just different experience. I've never had a problem getting an IT job in 12 years. Maybe I'm an exception. Obviously because I've been in the field for so long, many of my peers are in the same boat. I just haven't seen the problems you have and I haven't seen anybody with half a decent IT head on them have much problem with work. I'm working in a company in the city centre that has an opening for 2 people on my team for about 50K each for the last 3 months and we've had a hard time hiring people.

By the way I wasn't slagging your spelling (although that could be a bit better), there's also your rambling sentences, woeful grammar and pretty bad attitude that would stop me from hiring you. Not that I'm implying you're looking. Maybe there are more jobs for pilots in Ireland than IT people. I don't know.

Tom Dunne

derry wrote:

Out with the speeling nazis if he cant speel <snip>

A lucid, eloquent and utterly balanced viewpoint on the IT industry there deery.

You should go into guidance counselling seeing as IT isn't suiting you.

CiaranC

I think you should lay off the crackpipe derry.

derry

This thread vitualy proves the point

First we get a young person who claims x y or z so do we accept it for face value asking is there a future in IT
I soppose so
then he states that he realy want to be a pilot

then the kid dissapers probably found a girl or something better to do

i decide a tickle a few dim wit in the trade IT guys and pow they go for it

some of these guys say in working time 9 to 5 seem to have tons of time to waste on these boards

some claim there are a jobs a begging

the usual jobs I found a beggeing are because the rates are to low for the work bump up like double the rates and your sure to find the guy

EEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Now me I have nothing against IT except they dont bother to check where they are the internet or even read half the bump accept IT under attack my life under attack my crackpipe under attack defend defend defend defend

now one thing i will give gold panners they stay beside the stream eyes fixxed on the target the gold nugget and they ant known for thier talking or surfing the nets

and yet the modern gold diggers seem blind to the fact that all they do is push electrons around the screen feeling important until thier boss figures outr there is too many free loaders on board this here ship and pow out you go

for all we know this thread is just a student survey to see how many nutters are out there or even are these just AI bots all swirling around in a crazy dance

alert alert alert the 90% of the nutty brigade in the IT industry are going into melt down

dive dive dive

IT should go into grafton street entertainment with thier guitars at least it pays money year in year out

Ah but you can check out any time you want but you can never leave

derry

irlrobins

derry banned from Comp/Tech for trolling and general muppetness.

Carry on.

DublinWriter

Zambia232 wrote:

Oh I hate IT I wish I could go back in time and burn my old Atari that got me into this mess.

You know what dude? As much as I bitch about IT, I was in Eddie Rockets over the weekend, thanking the Good Lord that I don't have to do what staff there have to do day in day out.

Some of us truly don't know that we're born.

junii

jez, this thread is still going. Id forgotten about it.

Im just going to keep studying cisco stuff. I can't afford pilot training until I have a high income. Id like to be able to contract work in a few years. There seems to be very good money in this.... €500+ a day.