Clarification

Sarchasm

just wondering if anyone can confirm the allegations of cheating in the membership books of the C+E?

Chakar

Sarchasm wrote:

just wondering if anyone can confirm the allegations of cheating in the membership books of the C+E?

Ask Conor Farrell!

Raphael

Sarchasm wrote:

just wondering if anyone can confirm the allegations of cheating in the membership books of the C+E?

Why do I have a strange feeling someone just signed up this account to try and start a vicous rumour...

SGKM

Well they are claiming over 4000 members which is achievable but a lot higher than any of the other big 5. They claimed 1700 on the 1st day which sounds WAY to high!!

Garret

i signed up twice, the second time cos of the free call credit

Red Alert

If that's occuring it's a disgrace.

You can make a complaint about this type of stuff to Richard Butler, who is the society's officer (at least that is what he claims to do).

DirkVoodoo

I think the C+E have a reputation of being the wrost society, although the poker society pocket a bit of cash for themselves (allegedly)...welcome to UCD i guess!

Even the big boys at the top of UCD have been cheating...you remember the whole SIPTU strike threat? its because UCD were pocketing part of the pension fund set aside for contract employees (like us postgrads). Its only when a few people went to admin and said "where's my pension?" that the whole thing surfaced.

And no, im not lying, i heard it from a semi-reliable source, some of the details may need fine-tuning.

Sure aren't Q-soc on second probation for some crap, like not doing anything all year except driving around in borrowed red minis?

panda100

SGKM wrote:

They claimed 1700 on the 1st day which sounds WAY to high!!

To get that many they would have to have been at least three members signing up every minute from 9am to 5pm. It doesnt sound that realistic tbh

beanyb

I was given 'honourary membership' because I didnt have any money on me. The auditor came over to our stand and got me to sign up.

I sold my soul... for no free stuff.

hullaballoo

To the best of my knowledge, C&E are currently having their books audited. I think this happens every year, as there have been "odd discrepancies" in the past.

Personally, I think that they're taking the piss at this stage, but who am I to judge?

Edit: by the way, signing up people for free is a major no-no. Societies have been in major trouble for it in the past, and will likely be again this year. C&E weren't the only ones either!

Red Alert

that's interesting, is 2 yoyos the minimum?

hullaballoo

Red Alert wrote:

that's interesting, is 2 yoyos the minimum?

Yes. It's also the maximum.

dajaffa

While I don't find it hard to believe that CnE could have the highest figures, I reckon this 4,000 members lark is bullpoo. I was talking to someone at a nearby stand who was counting their own membership numbers and they said there's no way 4,000 people signed up.

I heard a theory that "an un-named society" had a few hundred names down of erasmus students before 9 on monday, possibly transcribed from last years books...

Anyway I heard BnL cleared 3,000, Lawsoc cleared 3,500, LnH probably somewhere in the same region and Qsoc cleared 2,000. Realistically there's little between the top few.

Btw fair play to all the Qsoc kids. It's a brand new team this year + they basically put everything together in a week when everyone else had the whole summer to prepare. The committee hasn't been elected yet, that's in October (whole probation lark...). Mike Pat O'Donoughue is effectively the auditor but there's rumours flying that "an un-named society" will run a candidate to get rid of the competition.

Red Alert

Q Soc seems like a waste of space.

SGKM

Red Alert wrote:

Q Soc seems like a waste of space.

Why do you say that about Q soc and not B+L, Law or C+E?

Because they all do essentially the same thing(organise nights out) except that Q-Soc will be organising educational speakers in the Quinn, charity events and class parties for Quinn students as well as nights out. And its being run by a group of decent, hard working, genuine people this year,unlike some other societies.....

Sangre

I think organising nights out is the one thing lawsoc *can't* do.

Chakar

SGKM wrote:

Q-Soc will be organising educational speakers in the Quinn, charity events and class parties for Quinn students as well as nights out. And its being run by a group of decent, hard working, genuine people this year,unlike some other societies.....

Michael Pat said to me that they wouldn't be having too many educational speakers because it gets boring after a while.But charity events and class parties are two of the things they're gonna do.

The_Minister

hullaballoo wrote:

Yes. It's also the maximum.

You are wrong. Several societies charged €3 such as filmsoc and photosoc.

ps: well done on getting linguistics and etymology set up. I'll wait for the charter before posting my "slightly funny words".

Red Alert

QSoc, the C&E and a few others have descended into a situation which mirrors the dublin radio market - they're all the same.

Sarchasm

Raphael wrote:

Why do I have a strange feeling someone just signed up this account to try and start a vicous rumour...

it was something I had already heard, its being checked out, so I wondered did anyone know the truth yet. I doubt my supposed " starting a vicious rumour" would make Richard Butler take his head out of his own arse long enough to do something at any rate.

so dont you worry, all drunken idiots and oompa loompas can go back to their pretty little lives.how nice for them

Riamfada

Cloning & Eugenics


my kinda society !

jumpymunky

Does the C&E membership number tally with the number of ppl they signed up? my number is under 3500 and i was one of the last to sign on friday..oh and that was the second time i registered with them.

i told em i was in and already but ur man said do it again for the credit.

Riamfada

im sorry people but if you join societies that actually arnt the society for anything other than the name of a faculty/area but have nothing to do with that faculty/area .

What the **** do you expect ? 2 Euro on the Euro saver menu would have been better spent.

Blush_01

Raph, Sarchasm signed up during Fresher's week because of (if I'm not mistaken) The_Minister's gentle coaxing and the amount of boredom spending all your free time in the Fresher's tent can induce. I can assure you they aren't just condemning C&E for the fun of it.

Joining a society more than once in the same year is (I'd expect) not allowed. Otherwise what's to stop auditors and committee members etc. joining 20 or 30 times to boost numbers?

[RANT]I hate societies who're stupid and dishonest. At the end of the day, what the hell difference will it make on the ground? They still won't contribute anything to the student body - you can go out to the same old niteclub, get hammered and take a stranger home and hope they leave before you "wake up" without the "help" of a bunch of tools in stupid t-shirts. Why the hell don't some of them actually do something visible other than organise a night out in 92 or XXI for once? This lark about B&L and improving on their marvellous comedy debate reputation of last year - complete tosh! I may not be a fan of societies like L&H and LawSoc at times, but at least they deliver! [/RANT]

mloc

my friends on the B+L committee inform me that C+E seem to have at least laid claim to the highest subscription rate this year, by a fair margin.

Q Soc didn't do to bad either considering thier second rate positioning in the tent.

Having said that I felt the whole freshers week experience was a bit stale this year and lacked overall energy. Pity.

Red Alert

Blush_01 wrote:

[RANT]I hate societies who're stupid and dishonest. At the end of the day, what the hell difference will it make on the ground? They still won't contribute anything to the student body - you can go out to the same old niteclub, get hammered and take a stranger home and hope they leave before you "wake up" without the "help" of a bunch of tools in stupid t-shirts. Why the hell don't some of them actually do something visible other than organise a night out in 92 or XXI for once? This lark about B&L and improving on their marvellous comedy debate reputation of last year - complete tosh! I may not be a fan of societies like L&H and LawSoc at times, but at least they deliver! [/RANT]

exactly my thoughts

Goodluck2me

Blush_01 wrote:

Raph, Sarchasm signed up during Fresher's week because of (if I'm not mistaken) The_Minister's gentle coaxing and the amount of boredom spending all your free time in the Fresher's tent can induce. I can assure you they aren't just condemning C&E for the fun of it.

Joining a society more than once in the same year is (I'd expect) not allowed. Otherwise what's to stop auditors and committee members etc. joining 20 or 30 times to boost numbers?

[RANT]I hate societies who're stupid and dishonest. At the end of the day, what the hell difference will it make on the ground? They still won't contribute anything to the student body - you can go out to the same old niteclub, get hammered and take a stranger home and hope they leave before you "wake up" without the "help" of a bunch of tools in stupid t-shirts. Why the hell don't some of them actually do something visible other than organise a night out in 92 or XXI for once? This lark about B&L and improving on their marvellous comedy debate reputation of last year - complete tosh! I may not be a fan of societies like L&H and LawSoc at times, but at least they deliver! [/RANT]

reckon youd do a better job? societies get people out together and help peopel to get to know each other and socialise, i cant stand idiot who post on these types of things complainign about how the whole system stinks and it would be much better if you did something else, ffs get a life, get out.

gubbie

Is this "un-named society" the same in both cases cos I was with you second time around?

Chinafoot

goodluck2me wrote:

reckon youd do a better job? societies get people out together and help peopel to get to know each other and socialise, i cant stand idiot who post on these types of things complainign about how the whole system stinks and it would be much better if you did something else, ffs get a life, get out.

First of all I've reported that post for the personal abuse you've just levelled at a poster here without even considering that maybe, just maybe, she might know what she's talking about having spent the past three years in UCD and having been heavily involved in the English Literary Society. Attack the post not the poster, and it's usually a good idea to do your homework first.

Second of all, having spent three years in UCD myself I can say that in my experience Blush is spot on with what she has said. Every year that I was there C+E claimed to be the biggest and best and promised a year full of great nights and great socialising. The reality of the situation was that more often than not they organised ONE big night. I don't see how this justifies their large budget when most of the smaller societies have to struggle with very little money despite the fact that they try to offer so much more like trips away, more nights out and speakers that can often be beneficial to your course.

I have no experience of LawSoc but I joined the L+H every year and found that they provided far more than the C+E ever managed to do.

Smaller societies such as the History Society and the Archaeology Society also provided far more in terms of socialising and getting to know people.

Almost everyone posting on this thread and the other societies threads are speaking from experience of the situation and the majority have been pretty bang on with regards to the realistic situation of the "big" societies in UCD. I have no idea if you have been in UCD for years, if you are a first year or if you are involved in the C+E or have friends involved and are taking umbrage at people voicing their disdain at what goes on. Either way, throwing abuse at people here won't get you very far and you'd do well to learn that quickly.

TheVan

Correction.....€2 is not the maximum membership fee but it is the minimum

hullaballoo

goodluck2me, it'll be good luck to you if you keep up that level of trolling.








PS You're an idiot TheVan. Loev. xxx

Edit: I just saw this:

Blush_01 wrote:

This lark about B&L and improving on their marvellous comedy debate reputation of last year - complete tosh! I may not be a fan of societies like L&H and LawSoc at times, but at least they deliver!

Would it make you feel any better if you knew it was me who's organising the debates for B&L this year? I have a few little plans up my sleeve.

elmyra

hullaballoo wrote:

Would it make you feel any better if you knew it was me who's organising the debates for B&L this year? I have a few little plans up my sleeve.

Ah g'wan....share


scribbles hastily in secret L&H notebook

TheVan

And it was me that delivered them last year?

We organised one comedy debate which filled Th M to capacity and a serious debate on the opening of Croke Park which was attended by 50 people the day after Law/B&L day at 1pm....thats a better attendance than L&H or LawSoc get at their weekly debates

How do ya like them apples?

panda100

Blush_01 wrote:

[ This lark about B&L and improving on their marvellous comedy debate reputation of last year - complete tosh! I may not be a fan of societies like L&H and LawSoc at times, but at least they deliver!]

I dont think its fair to put B+L in the same category as c+e. Last year they organised great debates. Throughout the year I was toying with speaking at a debate But I found l+h and lawsoc to be so elitest and a bit focused towards art students for some reason.The topics for the L+h are always the same year in year out...porno,abortion,northern Ireland...BIG yawn!B+l were actually innotive and differnet in their debates. Getting michael o muircheartaigh in for the Croke park debate was great. It drew in people from Ag, vet and the gaa folks who usually would probably just go to the comedy debates. THey made an effort to choose topics that would intrest lots of people and not just debates on D4 or the catholic church,which L+H and lawsoc do EVERY year.
Saying that I agree wth Blush that C+e is a joke. But if people enjoy those sort of nights out in Bondi and club 92 then its not for us too judge.

The_Minister

Blush_01 wrote:

Raph, Sarchasm signed up during Fresher's week because of (if I'm not mistaken) The_Minister's gentle coaxing and the amount of boredom spending all your free time in the Fresher's tent can induce. I can assure you they aren't just condemning C&E for the fun of it.

I can confirm that I know who Sarchasm is and that I was the one who convinced them to sign up. (and got a reference from it. Woohooo)

dajaffa

gubbie wrote:

Is this "un-named society" the same in both cases cos I was with you second time around?

yes...


Oh + lets all be honest. BnL isn't trying to be a "debating society". They do the odd one, a few academic events (I think) but they are first and foremost a party society imo. They're the best big party-type society around. Yeah they do some events annually (eg mystery tour) but they make a decent effort to mix it up with some new ideas (like that fresh ball + the "back to the bog" one that's on this week). Personally I think that for the most part they are very good at what they do + though many think it's a bid D4 soc, the auditor plays GAA + is from wexford as is last years auditor.

singingstranger

The_Minister wrote:

You are wrong. Several societies charged €3 such as filmsoc and photosoc.

Wasn't NetSoc €3 last year too?

Waltons

It was €4, I think. Not sure what it was this year though, as I never saw anyone at their stand

humbert

Waltons wrote:

It was €4, I think. Not sure what it was this year though, as I never saw anyone at their stand

think kaptain redeye said it was three euro.

Raphael

The_Minister wrote:

I can confirm that I know who Sarchasm is and that I was the one who convinced them to sign up. (and got a reference from it. Woohooo)

Fair enough, I rescind my point. Apologies Sarchasm, just thought it looked a bit iffy.

valor

dajaffa wrote:

the auditor plays GAA + is from wexford as is last years auditor.

they both think they are D4 heads tho!

The_Minister

Raphael wrote:

Fair enough, I rescind my point. Apologies Sarchasm, just thought it looked a bit iffy.

It did indeed. I learned from my rant at *Madlad not to jump to conclusions


*See my second last ban

Blush_01

TheVan wrote:

And it was me that delivered them last year?

We organised one comedy debate which filled Th M to capacity and a serious debate on the opening of Croke Park which was attended by 50 people the day after Law/B&L day at 1pm....thats a better attendance than L&H or LawSoc get at their weekly debates

How do ya like them apples?

They're oranges, you need to look harder. It might help you to see what I was actually saying too. If your society is going to promote itself as something, then it should at least have carried through. The two debates given as an example here (one for each hand, well done!) hardly stand up to claims that were made - to me - about your society's fabulous reputation as a comedy debating society.

Hulla, I'll wait in anticipation. Looks like a little will go a long way.

beanyb

While they annoy me (quite a lot at times) I do think B+L and C+E play an important role in UCD. As one of the losing candidates for the SU ents election for this year pointed out to me on Friday they quite regularly are doing the job that you'd imagine the ents office should actually be doing. Clearly their events arent to everyones taste but then neither are what we do in my society (World Aid) or in Blush's ELS and all the rest. The amount of people who go to their events prove that a lot of people are interested in more than just the free stuff.

I'll never see them as any more than party socs though. B+L may try to be seen as a debating soc, but these will always be secondary to the club nights. It's the opposite of Lawsoc and the L&H who are having way more club nights this year - the club nights will always be secondary to their debates.

Blush_01

ELS isn't mine anymore, Beany.

I just find that it's ironic people consider LawSoc and L&H elitist or exclusionary, and don't see the exact same thing in C&E/B&L. IMHO, and from experience, it's a lot easier to get involved with the former rather than the latter coupling. Not that any of them aren't intimidating. I loves double negatives, mmhm mmhm.

Hulla - I'm surprised you didn't tackle the B&L mag with a big red biro before it was circulated.


Anyway... any word on the C&E situation?

The_Minister

Blush_01 wrote:

Hulla - I'm surprised you didn't tackle the B&L mag with a big red biro before it was circulated.

I remember in the Fresher's tent that we were laughing over all the misspellings. As Mod of spell czechs, Hullabaloo should be ashamed:D

hullaballoo

The_Minister wrote:

I remember in the Fresher's tent that we were laughing over all the misspellings. As Mod of spell czechs, Hullabaloo should be ashamed:D

I didn't even get to make sure my own profile was right. They have me down as being from Carlow ffs.

Scraggs

hullaballoo wrote:

They have me down as being from Carlow ffs.

You should be so lucky:p


Out of interest what sort of punishment would a soc get [or if they get even] for this kind of carry on if true?

Blush_01

I assume there'd be financial penalties and they'd be put on probation, meaning their grant would be pretty much non-existent and they'd be watched quite closely. Whoever authorised the cooking of the membership books would probably have to answer to council - in almost every situation, on the auditor's head be it, or so I would imagine. I don't actually know though.

Stephen, laughing is a bit much.

Dave!

Whichever society gets George Galloway as a guest speaker/debater, will be the coolest society in ze world

The_Minister

DaveMcG wrote:

Whichever society gets George Galloway as a guest speaker/debater, will be the coolest society in ze world

Ugh! I have little respect for a man rejected even by big brother fans

Blush wrote:

Laughing is a bit much, Stephen

We had a little titter thenn.