Experimental Recomendations

JLemmon

All,

Anyone care to recommend some music to the group?
It depends on people's idea of experimental etc..
but I'll throw out some suggestions to get the ball rolling.

Tortoise - Millions now Living...
Tortoise - TNT
Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient works Vol 1
Autechre - Incunabula
Devo - Are we not men? We are Devo
Can - Tago Mago
Neu! - Neu!
Cluster - Cluster 71
(Not strictly Music) The Conet Project
Edgard Varese - Complete Works

Now can anyone tell me more about
Oval - 94 Diskont

And What's the general opinion on Noise? Wolf Eyes etc...


J

Ghost Rider

I happen to have Oval's "94 Diskont" right in front of me at work.

It's glitchy. Very, very glitchy. But it's also very "musical" once you get your head around the constant bobbing of the sound level. There are definite refrains, riffs and other structural elements there, although the organisation of these doesn't always resemble that of conventional songs.

All the track titles seem to have some connection to the world of commerce and consumerism, and several of the tracks themselves have a whiff of muzak, albeit muzak played back by someone with their finger constantly pressing down on the fast-forward button of a CD player.

It's as a demented Dunnes Stores manager is desperately trying to find the one tune that will nudge people towards buying up all the remaining cauliflower.

JLemmon wrote:

All,

Anyone care to recommend some music to the group?
It depends on people's idea of experimental etc..
but I'll throw out some suggestions to get the ball rolling.

Tortoise - Millions now Living...
Tortoise - TNT
Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient works Vol 1
Autechre - Incunabula
Devo - Are we not men? We are Devo
Can - Tago Mago
Neu! - Neu!
Cluster - Cluster 71
(Not strictly Music) The Conet Project
Edgard Varese - Complete Works

Now can anyone tell me more about
Oval - 94 Diskont

And What's the general opinion on Noise? Wolf Eyes etc...


J

JLemmon

Hi

Interesting must try get my hands on it sometime
read about it first in Wire magazine

Thanks
J

NotInventedHere

John Moran "The Manson Family an opera" is excellent saw him in Dublin on wednesday

John

I've really been enjoying some CDs by Coelacanth these days. The Glass Sponge especially. Very abstract noise and soundscapes.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

Skinny Puppy - VIVIsectVI

Probably their most abrasive, experimental album and the hardest to get into, and I it.

cornbb

Some of my favourites

Aphex Twin - Druqks
Autechre - ae
Squarepusher - Do You Know Squarepusher?
Godspeed You Black Emporer - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennae to Heaven
Morton Feldman - Coptic Light
Tortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never Die

nickcave

always a good idea to keep an eye on netlabels too, for some fresh new stuff. Insub are pretty good:

http://www.dincise.net/insubordinations/home.html

The Christian Graf + Diatribes album is excellent. The links section there should keep you occupied for a while.

JC 2K3

This Oval - 94 Diskont sounds very interesting, I'm looking for it atm. I just read that Jim O'Rourke, the guy who was in Sonic Youth for a while recently, prooduced it?

Ghost Rider

Did he? I didn't know that. His name doesn't appear anywhere on the CD case, liner or disc.

JC 2K3 wrote:

This Oval - 94 Diskont sounds very interesting, I'm looking for it atm. I just read that Jim O'Rourke, the guy who was in Sonic Youth for a while recently, prooduced it?

JLemmon

In 1995 Jim o'Rourke was invited by German experimental electronic label Mille Plateaux, oval's label, to conduct an extended remix of their entire back catalog. Oval are on Thrill Jocky in the US, so the version on the cd you saw
is probably the version after Jim had a go at it, which probably ended up being better considering Jim's abit of a legend, but the difference is only probably very slight. I assuming it was a remix of the album proper, in the production fashion, not just sticking beats on top of the existing material, in the dance\club fashion.
Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and A ghost is born are worth checking out too
for Jim's touches, as well as the Sonic Youth (Murray Street) material and his own of course.

J

Ghost Rider

His album "Eureka" is worth checking out too.

JLemmon wrote:

In 1995 Jim o'Rourke was invited by German experimental electronic label Mille Plateaux, oval's label, to conduct an extended remix of their entire back catalog. Oval are on Thrill Jocky in the US, so the version on the cd you saw
is probably the version after Jim had a go at it, which probably ended up being better considering Jim's abit of a legend, but the difference is only probably very slight. I assuming it was a remix of the album proper, in the production fashion, not just sticking beats on top of the existing material, in the dance\club fashion.
Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and A ghost is born are worth checking out too
for Jim's touches, as well as the Sonic Youth (Murray Street) material and his own of course.

J

JC 2K3

Ah, I understand.

My torrent's stuck on 95%, but I have 5/7 tracks 100% complete. Do While is amazing. I'm really liking it. Might even buy the CD. Availability?

Ghost Rider

It's on Thrill Jockey so it shouldn't be too hard to find. I got my copy in Tower. Check out City Discs and Road Records too.

JC 2K3 wrote:

Ah, I understand.

My torrent's stuck on 95%, but I have 5/7 tracks 100% complete. Do While is amazing. I'm really liking it. Might even buy the CD. Availability?

sonic juice

Four tet-Rounds

Sonic Youth-Goodbye 20th century

Lou Reed-Metal Machine Music

Squarepusher-Hard/Normal Daddy
{new album out October I cannot wait!!!!}

Prefuse 73-Security Screenings

Steven Reid Ensemble-Spirit Walk

also check out kid koala,he toured with radiohead for a while.

PsychForm

All of the names I have seen here are pretty mainstream....Some of the more underground and specific experimental projects were and are:

Nurse With Wound
irr.app.(ext.)
Zoviet France
Mlehst
Rnzelstirn & Gurgelstock
Wolf Eyes
Dead Machines
Broken Penis Orchestra
Hirshe Nichts Auf Sofa (HNAS)
Caroliner
Sudden Infant
Crank Sturgeon
The New Blockaders
Mixed Band Philanthropist
Bladderflask
Mirror
Christoph Heemann
Merzbow
Negativland
Nihilist Spasm Band
Smegma
Fe-mail
Rowenta/Khan
Grillhaus
Climax Golden Twins
Sun City Girls
The Haters
AMK
Biota
Spastic Colon
Boredoms
Violent Onsen Geisha
Nocturnal Emissions
Smell & Quim
Brume
Contagious Orgasm
Schimpfluch Gruppe
At Jennie Richie
Panicsville
Black Humour
John Wiese
Noggin
Pork Queen
Ear Venom
Yellow Swans
Midmight
Hans Grusels Krankenkabinet
Masonna
Gastric Female Reflex
Du Hexen Hase
Blue Sabbath Black Cheer
Sixes
Loachfillet
Tarantism
Red Squirrels
Portland Bike Ensemble
Gerritt
Metalux
Monos
Ora
Nobuo Yamada
Double Leopards
Hive Mind
Cherry Point
Organum
Asmus Tietchens
Andrew Chalk
John Duncan
Amps for Christ
Genocide Organ
Deutsch Nepal
Silligum S
The Hafler Trio
Cyclobe
Jim O'Rourke
Mimir
Lasse Marhaug
Vertonen
Rubber O Cement
Withdrawal Method
Purient
Plethora
Broken Human Machine
Tovah Olson
Hair Police
Pop Culture Rape Victim
Dead
Dead/Bird
Nihilist Assault Group
Scribble Seven
Volcano The Bear
Aranos
Earth Monkey
The Bran Flakes
Evolution Control Committee
Wayne Butane
Big City Orchestra
Frank Rowenta
Dr. P. Li Khan
Colin Potter

AND SO MANY MORE!!!!

John

I consider myself clued in and I only recognise about half your list! Some great recommendations there.

PsychForm

Hey John, Stan here. I run a few independent experimental record labels PsychForm Records, PsychoChrist Productions & Gnarled Forest.

Started PsychoChrist to put out my own stuff and other local no names, any where from 5 to 100 copies, CDRs and cassettes, hand made pakaging, the works. When I started meeting and working with bigger and better known artists, I up'd the annie and started PsychForm which releases vinyl and CDs. Just recently started a new band of my own, Blue Sabbath Black Cheer, and gave it her own label, Gnarled Forest, to release it's thing on...cause it's a whole different thing....but thats a different story...

My labels specialize in experimental musics of all kinds, noise, drone, dark ambiant, collage...whatever...if its wierd and strange and smells like dada rotten surrealism...it's for me.

I just happend to come accross this board when randomly searching for new experimental music forums. Looks like you have a nice thing started here.

I have several other bands I am in as well, all of them in different viens of the experimental world. The Broken Penis Orchestra, Plethora, Broken Human Machine and Blue Sabbath Black Cheer.

We are always looking to connect with other artists and fans in this genre, make new connections and dream up new collaborations. Looking forward to meeting new friends here on your board.

Stan Reed
PsychForm Records
Eclectic Listening

JLemmon

Excellent gettin some good info here, thanks lads

Anyone going to the sonic youth curated All Tomorrows Parties?
Be interesting, some underground bands on the list

Re: Metal Machine Music, Mad or Genius?

J

Ghost Rider

Not going to make ATP unfortunately, but I'd love to see Nurse With Wound.

JLemmon wrote:

Anyone going to the sonic youth curated All Tomorrows Parties?
Be interesting, some underground bands on the list


J

PsychForm

Yes the Nurse With Wound shows that happend in San Fran in June were absonlutely amazing. As was the Scribble 7 performances as well. It is very very good to see Steven getting out and playing more. e seems to be enjoying the hell out of it too. HOpefully there will be many more NWW and related events to come. Stapleton is also DJing the Brainwaves fest in Boston in Nov.

Psych

JC 2K3

JLemmon wrote:

Excellent gettin some good info here, thanks lads

Anyone going to the sonic youth curated All Tomorrows Parties?
Be interesting, some underground bands on the list

STOP, SHUT UP!

DON'T REMIND ME!



sigh....

John

PsychForm wrote:

Stapleton is also DJing the Brainwaves fest in Boston in Nov.

I was meant to be going to this (I review for brainwashed.com) but as I have juse started a PhD and now have commitments of both time and money which means I can't go to Boston

If you go, be sure to let me know what it was like. Jon Whitney's put a lot of time and effort into this and from the little hints he drops it sounds like there's going to be some really special moments throughout the weekend.

PsychForm

Yeah, wish I could go to, but we just threw our big fest here in Seattle known as The Wooden Octopus Skull. It has left me without the $ needed to go to Boston....waaaaaaaaaaaaah! The irr.app.(ext.) performance that will be on the same day is going to kill people....Matt Waldron REALLY has gotten his act together with the live show. They play the Skull here for the 2nd time and literally blew me away. Man I wish I could go!!!!!

Psych

Fnord

This is a curious collection with some real gems:
http://www.windworld.com/emi_images/gravichords_abridged.jpg

gurubananas

hi I'm new (here)
Soft Machine - kings of canterbury (in its time!)
Nazi Experiment Camp - Vegetarian

Also most Stereolab stuff I've heard...

Ghost Rider

Nazi Experiment Camp? I must confess I've never heard of that particular outfit. What's their buzz?

gurubananas wrote:

hi I'm new (here)
Soft Machine - kings of canterbury (in its time!)
Nazi Experiment Camp - Vegetarian

Also most Stereolab stuff I've heard...

gurubananas

Ghost Rider wrote:

Nazi Experiment Camp? I must confess I've never heard of that particular outfit. What's their buzz?

Kind of cheap sounding - and humourous.(In my opinion!)

Ghost Rider

Are you in them?

gurubananas wrote:

Kind of cheap sounding - and humourous.(In my opinion!)

gurubananas

Ghost Rider wrote:

Are you in them?

No but I know 2 of them really well. ( I also work with one of stereolabs musicians).

Anyway - thought of more experimental recommends -
Stockhausen (name-checked by McCartney - Big Beatles fan so had to check him out. Paul always said he was the arty one,not John) A soulful, emotional noise.
XTC's experimental music - they did a "Homo Safari" series in the early eighties which was put out on b-sides - very out there but in a hummable kind of way...(I've a feeling they may have released this on CD as a collection of experimental works quite recently)

Ghost Rider

I wouldn't mind hearing Stockhausen's "Helicopter String Quartet":

http://www.stockhausen.org/helicopter_intro.html

(Check out the hilarious photo, by the way.)

gurubananas wrote:

No but I know 2 of them really well. ( I also work with one of stereolabs musicians).

Anyway - thought of more experimental recommends -
Stockhausen (name-checked by McCartney - Big Beatles fan so had to check him out. Paul always said he was the arty one,not John) A soulful, emotional noise.
XTC's experimental music - they did a "Homo Safari" series in the early eighties which was put out on b-sides - very out there but in a hummable kind of way...(I've a feeling they may have released this on CD as a collection of experimental works quite recently)