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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,233 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robindch



    I've hiked down that part of the descent, known for obvious reasons as the zig-zag, and quite honestly, in the gale-force winds which were whistling up and over the ridge's edge at the time, the first bit of the trail from the ridgetop - circled below, tracking downhill from right to left at about 10 degrees, and presumably, the bit where the victim fell from - was so bloody dangerous that I did the straight bit on my hands and knees to avoid being blown off my feet. That said, it was still way safer than going back down the bloody Devil's Ladder. A grand day out apart from them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnoc_na_Toinne





  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Mmm. As Ross O'Carroll-Kelly would say, "Yeah, but no."

    See you in the pub after, team!

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭ smacl


    Also done both routes on a few occasions and wouldn't really think they're a great choice for a novice hiker nor a reluctant one. Much as I love hill walking, it all sounds rather negligent by both the organisers and any paid guide. Keeping everybody safe is a minimum requirement in these circumstances. What's annoying is that we're seeing many adventure sport activity centres in this country being closed down because of either unavailable or prohibitively expensive insurance. Cases such as this cause even more damage in this context.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    This is a bit nsfw but fair play to whoever created it. Inspired by islamic art, possibly 😁


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,233 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robindch


    Could be inspired by Douglas Hofstadter too - check out his splendidly obtuse Metamagical Themas and Le Ton Beau de Marot:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamagical_Themas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ton_beau_de_Marot



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    One of the greatest, ehh, "characters" Ireland has ever seen now knows whether there is a Hell.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1109/1258754-former-anglo-irish-bank-ceo-sean-fitzpatrick-dies/

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭ smacl


    Just re-listened to Dante's Inferno very recently on audiobook. Given usurers in general are placed in the lowest part of the seventh circle, one can only wonder where Dante might have imagined questionably corrupt ones should go. As an atheist however, I reckon he got away with whatever misdeeds he may or may not have committed.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,233 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robindch



    I'd like to think he ended up for all eternity, locked in the tiniest and shittiest apartment his corrupt bank financed.

    On the topic of Dante's Inferno, has anybody laid their head around Armando Iannucci's recently-released Pandemonium - a mock epic poem in the style of Milton's Paradise Lost (which Iannucci studied at PhD level many years ago)?

    Pandemonium


    Say, heaving Muse, what catalogue of restraints

    And luckless lockdowns fell upon th’unwilling world

    Accompanied by pain and stifled shouts of family grief

    Till the world’s wisest company of brethren

    In stately halls and candelabra’d chambers flush

    At their desks with freshest data

    Brought an end to that wailing noise

    And comfort to those begging for release.


    Tell, Mighty Wit, how the highest in forethought and,

    That tremendous plus, the Science,

    Saw off our panic and globed vexation

    Until a drape of calmness furled around the earth

    And beckoned a new and greater normal into each life

    For which we give plenty gratitude and pay

    Willingly for the vict’ry triumph

    Merited by these wisest Gods.

    Take us bravely to that source of all our woe

    A wet and withered bat in Wuhan, or, some say,

    A bat-lab nearby, carelessly venting bat juice to the world

    While, ’tis equally true, Pharma and/or Bill Gates,

    In league with Illuminati lizards

    Hid poisoned cameras in our breath

    So we could spray their malice drop by drop

    Like spoken mist, as from a tower of Babel

    Or like that other mighty shaft, the mast of 5G

    (For, yes, I near forgot, 5G is another cause,

    Since everyone has seen it said,

    Where G is for George, and 5, to all, is clearly S,

    The sign of the malevolent serpent Soros, it is true.)

    And all is truth, for truth also can mutate,

    Into twenty truths, and spawn twenty variants more,

    Once uttered, slotting into any gaping void of sense

    And fitting it like a fisting fact.

    (etc, etc, for many pages).



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Not sure if we have a better thread for this:

    Chamber fills up with nitrogen and you go off to sleep and never wake up.

    About 1,300 people annually end their lives legally in Switzerland, where right-to-die organisations assist with access to doctors and prescription drugs, in particular the barbiturate sodium pentobarbital, to cause respiratory arrest.

    The first capsule will be operational next year in Switzerland – but has yet to be tested practically or legally. A Swiss lawyer commissioned by Exit International found the device requires no special permit. In gas analysis tests, Dr Nitschke said the capsule space, on activation, was not capable of sustaining life.

    The Sarco will “demedicalise” the end-of-life process and, eventually, may include an artificial intelligence screening programme to replace a psychologist’s assessment of the person’s mental capacity to decide to end their life.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 35,295 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    they are not unattractive looking so might make an interesting talking post at dinner parties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Dinner party, toast to the host and then you climb into the thingy and job done.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    According to Wikipedia:

    The concept can be found as early as 1893. When a series of suicides were[sic] vigorously discussed in United Kingdom newspapers, critic William Archer suggested that in the golden age there would be penny-in-the-slot machines by which a man could kill himself.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 35,295 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    I haven't used cash in ages. Could I tap and go instead?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    No arguments over who does the washing-up (well, at least, not arguments involving you...)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Said suicide device is due to feature on Claire Byrne tonight at 10:35, and for some reason Fr Brian D'Arcy will be asked his opinion on euthanasia

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    It was all "palliative care", "palliative care" from the catholic contingent, same as during the 8th referendum. But palliative care doesn't solve everything, and it still denies the person their autonomy over their life. The latter is the thing they really have a problem with, but they won't say that, they'll wrap it up in faux compassion.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Yes, several of them spoke very well imho emphasising the points about autonomy and choice, and not wishing to force their family to witness a lingering, difficult death. I don't think those opposed would have convinced anyone who wasn't already (at least they were waaay more low-key and non-confrontational than the 2015 and 2018 referendum 'debates' though where the No campaigners were so odious they drove up the Yes vote)

    One of them was the brother of a priest who died of MND and had been on LLS etc, he said that his brother's faith informed his opinions about the end of his life, but everyone else in a similar situation should have the right to make the choice that is right for them. He was very good and so was Kevin Quaid who wrote a book about being diagnosed with DLB (Lewy Body dementia)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    On a lighter, and perhaps crazier, note (Yes, it's Mayo, strangely the surname is not Burke) -


    A discrimination complaint against the Western People newspaper by a Co Mayo activist who claims its staff refused to print his press releases has been rejected by the Workplace Relations Commission.

    Francis Eneas Kearney lodged a complaint under the Equal Status Act against the newspaper, which has an address at Francis Street, Ballina, Co Mayo.

    He claimed he had been discriminated against on the grounds of disability, age and his Catholic faith on dates between August 2019 and July 2020, when he said the paper refused to print an advertisement and several press releases he sent in.

    ...

    Mr Kearney rejected this and offered to take a “lie detector” test to “prove he was telling the truth”.

    At the hearing, he also questioned the religion of the witnesses who appeared on behalf of the newspaper, and stated that he was a Catholic.

    ...

    He told the commission he had been discriminated against by the paper on disability, age and religious grounds and that these grounds applied to all of his interactions with the newspaper.

    ...

    [The adjudicator] ruled that none of his complaints were well-founded.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Letter in today's Irish Times:


    Sir, – Frank McNally remarks that the Donegal Deist John Toland (1670-1722) may have had a bardic heritage (An Irishman’s Diary). Toland certainly lived up to that tradition in his verse diatribe against Catholicism, notably in the couplet, “The swarming Herds of crafty Priests and Monks, /The Female Orders of Religious Punks”. He held Anglicanism in equal contempt. – Yours, etc,

    IGGY McGOVERN,

    Dublin 14.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Has anyone noticed that the most recent thread in the Religions Archive forum is called "Bars" and it was in the Sprituality forum. Does anyone know what that means, as searching for "bars" doesn't seem too likely to produce relevant results 😁


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭ gormdubhgorm


    This is a YouTube video by a YouTuber ‘James Hargreaves’s who normally deals in stuff on the band Oasis.

    In it he describes a small Christian Evangelist religious group he was a member of. Similar to that you would see on America TV.

    Hargreaves then became an Atheist as in his search for answers he felt tricked.

    But what is it in a psychological disposition that makes people need answers. Or need that comfort blanket/safety net.

    It seems to me some get benefit out of religion. And find good in it. But others need to find actual personal answers. Interpreting meaning and parable is not enough for them.

    It says a lot about the human condition that despite a world of modernisation and advancement religion is still needed by many. Whether it is a general guide, safety net, search for answers, or a set of principles to live by.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,959 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Why can't these people on Youtube ever make a point in 2 or 3 minutes? 🙄 although 30 minutes is better than many, I was expecting at least an hour! The Assembly of God is pretty crazy and fair play to him for getting out.

    But what is it in a psychological disposition that makes people need answers. Or need that comfort blanket/safety net.

    A lot fewer would "need" religion if they were not told from the cradle that they needed it and went to schools which told them every day they needed it and lived in societies constantly telling them they needed it.

    Why do you think the Angelus is still on RTE? Why are there crosses on every mountaintop and ugly statues all over the place? It's all about creating a climate which normalises religious belief and tries to obscure the absurdity of those beliefs.

    A need for answers is entirely normal, but religion does not actually provide any and has often stood in the way of advancing actual knowledge.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭ 54and56


    This plus inherent laziness / inertia. Most people who ask the big questions can't be ar$sed taking the time to research and read up so simply reach for the silver bullet religion answer as it's all round them and easy to grasp plus there's comfort in numbers.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,233 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robindch


    Dawkins in Dublin on Saturday week for anybody interested:

    https://ilfdublin.com/whats-on/festival/strand/writenow/eyes-on-the-sky-richard-dawkins/



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