Champion Stakes

Colonel Sanders

Not long to go now for one of the best race days on the irish calender. There wasn't a bob to lay against hurricane run last night on betfair so he must be a doubtful runner. I have backed alexander goldrun ew at 6s and am praying she doesn't take the softer option of the matron stakes if Fabre decides to run the Hurricane. I think she could reverse form with Ouija board who got first run on her at Goodwood.

fade2black

They both probably won't run together cause they need different types of ground. If it's good Ouija board will run, softish, hurricane run (:)) I can say one thing with confidence though, if he does run, the usual suspects will be out telling us who he's a great lay opportunity etc...some people never learn.

oceansize

You don't think Ouija will do it? I've had her a coupla of times when nobody had faith in her. I think she's good enough if Alexander doesn't mess it up. Hurricane seemed to make hard work of his last win. But i have to say, the Champion Stakes in ireland has to be one of europes top races. Always top drawer stuff running in it.

ChuckProphet

what's the best price available for dylan thomas?
yeah some top class racing sat. between leopardstown and york

fade2black

You don't want to back Dylan Thomas, he's not in the same class as some of these.

oceansize

I'd say you'd be better off backing Ace as opposed to Dylan, he was only 1length behind the winner in this race last year. It's gonna be interesting.

ChuckProphet

fade2black wrote:

You don't want to back Dylan Thomas, he's not in the same class as some of these.

probably not. i think hurricane run at 11/10 with a run is tempting. if he does run, dt will prob run in france and ouija baord might also depending on ground

Crumbs

fade2black wrote:

You don't want to back Dylan Thomas, he's not in the same class as some of these.

I think it's a bit early to write off Dylan Thomas as not being up to this class. His 4th in the Juddmonte was on softish ground with an easy pace. With a strong pace and good or better ground, he could easily improve on his Irish Derby performance, even over this trip. Whether he gets these conditions or not is tough to call but whether he runs or not is a bigger doubt, as I don't think they'll be running him in the same race as Hurricane Run anyway.

At the moment, I'd be siding with Alexander Goldrun e/w. Hopefully her duel last month with Ouija Board hasn't taken the edge off her. After a close 3rd in this last year under a poor ride, she's pretty much certain to run again and she's a value price against OB.

Colonel Sanders

I'll oppose dylan Thomas all day over 10f. I think alexander might have won this last year with better luck in running. The race could cut up pretty badly with Rob Roy doubtful, Lord admiral entered in the group 3, Coolmore having 4 entries of which ace plus only one other will run surely.

Great day in Dublin with theb greyhound derby on after racing at leopardstown!

ChuckProphet

hurricane run isn't running

masterK

Although it's a pity Hurricane Run isn't running his absense may make it a better race with Oujia Board, Dylan Thomas and the other doubtful runners now likely to take their place.

ChuckProphet

i think i'll just be watching this one

oceansize

Taking Ace e/w. Those 2 Mares are to hard to split.

Tazz T

What about Mustameet...

What do you think of the chances of her stepping up to the raise in class.

Might head up for this myself.

scojones

Ouija Board for me, providing there is no change in the going.

oceansize

Tazz T wrote:

What about Mustameet...

What do you think of the chances of her stepping up to the raise in class.

Might head up for this myself.

Well Mustameet won the last 3 i think, maybe more, coupla of group races as well

Crumbs

It's Mustameet's first run in a G1 but he definitely deserves a chance. If held up off a steady pace, his finishing kick will be as good as either filly. But off a strong pace, he mightn't quite be good enough and I'd be expecting a strong pace here by one of O'Brien's runners.

He just pipped Ace over a mile two runs ago and I'd rate Dylan Thomas to be better than Ace, plus DT gets a 7lb 3yo allowance over both of them.

If there's no rain, I'll be backing Dylan Thomas with a saver on Alexander Goldrun. I'm expecting a very close and exciting race.

fade2black

I can't be having Dylan Thomas at all. Firstly I think horse is very over rated and will probably never win another group one. But also, he's a horse that presumably needs to go right handed which of course he won't be in the Champion Stakes. A big no no for me. (But now I'm just repeating myself)

Hawk Wing

Dylan Thomas doesn't neccessarily have to go right handed, he won the Derrinstown on the same track in May, I feel myself Ace has an outside chance, he's been knocking on the door long enough now

fade2black

What I mean is that he seems to have a strong preference for it and he's a horse that needs everything to be right on the day before he can win.

Crumbs

Dylan Thomas has won 2 from 2 at Leopardstown already. His not acting around Epsom was more due to the undulations and the camber of the track rather than it being left-handed, I think.

Colonel Sanders

Dylan thomas is over rated on the basis of an impressive win in a terrible irish derby. the 3 year olds this year are a poor bunch. Both the fillies and colts ahve yet to strike a blow against the older brigade and that will continue on saturday.

Ace is a professional loser so I can't back him. Mustameet deserves his place in the line up and is a horse I've followed all year. Can't really back him as I don't know how good he is and he hasn't G1 form but using Chelsea rose as a yardstick it wouldn't be the greatest surprise ever if he won this.

Its between the 2 mares for me.

scojones

Colonel Sanders wrote:

Ace is a professional loser so I can't back him.

Agreed. My mates have backed Ace time and time again, while I've opposed it. I really don't see the attraction Ace brings to this affair at all.

Redlancer

I think Alexander Goldrun is still the best value. Goes on most ground and is group 1 class as proven by going through her races. I really dont think she willl be beaten and was gutted last year when she was.

MOTHERTRUCKER

So at the end of the day lads. Bite the bullet! Who's your money going on?

What about the 2.40 Coolmore Fusaichi Pegasus Matron Stakes?
Red Evie or race for the stars?

oceansize

MOTHERTRUCKER wrote:

So at the end of the day lads. Bite the bullet! Who's your money going on?

What about the 2.40 Coolmore Fusaichi Pegasus Matron Stakes?
Red Evie or race for the stars?

User "Hawk Wing" should back Race for the Stars ;-D

ChuckProphet

MOTHERTRUCKER wrote:

So at the end of the day lads. Bite the bullet! Who's your money going on?

What about the 2.40 Coolmore Fusaichi Pegasus Matron Stakes?
Red Evie or race for the stars?

Ouija board for the big one.
Flashy wings in the 2.40 provided the ground's ok

Hawk Wing

Perress for the Matron, Dylan Thomas for the big one.

Anyone heading along?

Tazz T

I think Dylan Thomas is a bit overrated meself.

I'm gonna go

1.Ouija Board
2. Mustameet (just failed to beat Caradak last year, a horse I rate highly)
3. Dylan Thomas

I'd like to see Mustameet take this tho.

MOTHERTRUCKER

Hawk Wing wrote:

Perress for the Matron, Dylan Thomas for the big one.

Anyone heading along?

Yes. I'll be there as part of the Bord bia day.

I fancy Bahia Breeze for the 2.40

It's a race for fillies and mares only and thank god Alexander Goldrun will go in the other race (Baileys Irish Champion Stakes).

On the ratings, he is as good as anybody there in the field.

She's run some good races in her life and is very tough and genuine so i'm gonna take my chance.

Fran Berry will ride her. he's local jockey and knows the track inside out.

Rae Guest's filly, a staying-on second behind Wasseema in a Listed event at Sandown last time out.

wb

I'm also going along

I had Alexander Goldrun backed in the brilliant race at goodwood, and Im going with her again tomorrow. I'm another one who doubts Dylan Thomas for reasons similar to those already posted an it is a definite lay for me.

midger

My nap for tomorrow is PEERESS in the matron,absolute certainty.Also fancy MUSTAMEET in the champion stakes,a really progressive sort,the trip and good going will suit,great value bet.

ziggy

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CiaranC

Nobody likes Nannina in the 2.40 then?

I'll be tagging along myself, not an afternoons racing to miss.

CiaranC

Oh dear Fade, hope you didnt lay him

fade2black

No didn't lay the horse because he had a lot in his favour yesterday with the pacemaker in the race. The money that came for him late was very telling also. In saying that I don't think the best horse won the race but Dylan Thomas did surprise me a little. In saying that, he needs so many things to go right that he could never be a horse that I could back. Dunno what happened to the other three main rivals though. Ouija Board downed tools as soon as she hit the front

Keyzer

Prices I got at Leopardstown...

Dylan Thomas - 6/4 (Backed to win for 40)
Nicks Nikita - 12/1 (Backed to win for 40)
Emppat - 6/1 (Backed to win for 50)

Total winnings for the day was 800 euro....

A great day in all accounts...

scojones

You put 40 win on a 12/1 shot, are you serious?

fade2black

Keyzer wrote:

Prices I got at Leopardstown...

Dylan Thomas - 6/4 (Backed to win for 40)
Nicks Nikita - 12/1 (Backed to win for 40)
Emppat - 6/1 (Backed to win for 50)

Total winnings for the day was 800 euro....

A great day in all accounts...

On every other forum on this website if you break a charter, you get banned. The charter on this forum, for some time now, has given strict guidelines against after timing. From now on, if someone else does it, as blatantly as above, it's a ban. Actually, to hell with that, Keyser banned for a week.

Hawk Wing

What an epic! Amazing the way time and again this race produces a really great race/finish. Glad I stuck with Dylan Thomas, great reception for Fallon back in the paddock.

alibabba

fade2black wrote:

On every other forum on this website if you break a charter, you get banned. The charter on this forum, for some time now, has given strict guidelines against after timing. From now on, if someone else does it, as blatantly as above, it's a ban. Actually, to hell with that, Keyser banned for a week.

excuse my ignorance, but what did he do wrong , after timing ?

fade2black

alibabba wrote:

excuse my ignorance, but what did he do wrong , after timing ?

Yes. It went on for months and months, and more people complained so we had to update the charter to crack down on it. His ban will be lifted quickly enough but this is a serious annoyance to people. There's a nice new thread now where people can gloat all they want.

Keyzer

fade2black wrote:

Yes. It went on for months and months, and more people complained so we had to update the charter to crack down on it. His ban will be lifted quickly enough but this is a serious annoyance to people. There's a nice new thread now where people can gloat all they want.

Thanks for IM'ing me and letting me know by the way, very curtious of you...
And yes, I did put 40 Euro on a 12/1, why not?

I'll probably get banned for this (which is a joke in my opinion, what happened to a warning first?) -
Nicks Nikita had made a boo boo in the race previous but the 2 before that the horse had won. I thought the horse had potential, maybe the trainers worked harder with the horse for this race and at 12/1 I thought it was worth a shot...

fade2black

Firstly,

I'm under no obligation to Im you.

Secondly,

There were plenty of warnings to everyone, for months, and a highlight that the charter had been ammended.

Thirdly,

You were banned for a day. I can make it longer if you want.

Fourthly,

Stop whinging

Fiftly,

I don't care what you put on a horse.

If you have any other problems, Feedback is the place for them

ricerocket

fade to black, i'm a new member on this website with an interest in racing and with the occasional tip based on strong information. I read this thread which was meant to be a discussion of the champion stakes both before and after i presume. I cannot believe the stance you have taken against keyzer just because he informed us of some prices/results he got on course! Surely the point of any discussion of horses is to take the good with the bad? It really does sound like sour grapes on your behalf because you were so negative in your evaluation of the winner - nowhere in keyzer's post was there a gloat or a criticism. Do you really believe that people should switch to a separate thread to discuss what actually happened on the day in question? It will be a very empty thread at that rate. I can understand the need for prevention of recriminations for tips that go astray but it seems rediculous to ignore the very thing you have previewed after the event. This might be a waste of time if you decide not to let this post go up but i would appreciate it as i have a good deal to offer.

masterK

ricerocket and keyser, you really need to understand the history of this issue before commenting. There was months of crap on these forums from people constantly waffling about how much the won, it got extremely annoying, if you want to look back over threads from earlier on in the summer you will see for yourself.

It got to the stage where every second post, was along the lines of "another 2k profit, yes" or "time for another withdrawel from the account" or "that's 6 from 6 for me, the rest of you haven't a clue". It was basically spam.

The annoying thing was that the people who came on posting these messages never put any of these selections up before the race, it was only afterwards you'd hear from them boasting about what they'd supposedly won, and the vast majority of times they were waffling. That's why the charter was changed to ban aftertiming. The forum is now better for it, it had gotten to the point where most of the threads became unreadable with the amount of rubbish in them, a lot of good discussion based threads were ruined.

Keyzer

Apologies to anyone if I annoyed them with me posting my winnings from the champion stakes.
I was unaware of the rules and If I had known I would not have posted them....

fade2black wrote:

Firstly,

I'm under no obligation to Im you.

I agree 100%, out of courtesy I would expect you to though.
I have been IM'ed by mods before in relation to signatures and wotnot.
Might be worthwhile taking a leaf out of their books.

fade2black wrote:

Secondly,

There were plenty of warnings to everyone, for months, and a highlight that the charter had been ammended.

I very rarely use this forum so I was unaware of the strict rules.

fade2black wrote:

Thirdly,

You were banned for a day. I can make it longer if you want.

Ban me for life mate, I couldn't give a sh1t...
If it makes you feel any better or gives you an extension to your e-penis....

I didn't come in here abusing anyone or flaming anyone, my only crime was I didn't know about your strict rules.

A warning would have sufficed but your in charge so you call the shots.

Pathetic carry on in my opinion, no doubt you'll ban me again for this but seriously, grow up and get a life....

fade2black wrote:

Fourthly,

Stop whinging

Whinging? First of all, don't tell me what to do.

Secondly, I was complaining about your uber strictness and the fact that you banned me, for a stupidly minor infraction, and didn't inform me of the ban.

fade2black wrote:

Fiftly,

I don't care what you put on a horse.

I was replying to an earlier post in this thread which asked me why I put 40 quid on a 12/1. I couldn't give a sh1t if your interested or not, I was replying to the question.

fade2black wrote:

If you have any other problems, Feedback is the place for them

Seriously, get a life, if all you do all day is police this forum for minor infractions then you live a sad and lonely existance.

I couldn't give a toss about the consequences of this post.
Your attitude and general manner is appalling, its about time someone told you.

fade2black

Lol. That's all I'll say. You're really not worth replying to.

Keyzer

fade2black wrote:

Lol. That's all I'll say. You're really not worth replying to.

Glad you got a laugh out of that post.

Now what you should do is sit back and take a good look at yourself.

fade2black

I'm still laughing to be honest. Sit back and have a look at myself? Cause you were banned for a day. Ok, I'll take the bait.

You said you were a new user to this forum. Before posting in all forums, users are obliged to read that particular forum's charter before posting. You didn't do that and you were banned - for a day. You weren't contacted, which is something I have done in the past, because the ban was only for a day.

Ban me for life mate, I couldn't give a sh1t...
If it makes you feel any better or gives you an extension to your e-penis....

I didn't come in here abusing anyone or flaming anyone, my only crime was I didn't know about your strict rules.

A warning would have sufficed but your in charge so you call the shots.

Pathetic carry on in my opinion, no doubt you'll ban me again for this but seriously, grow up and get a life....

My general manner is appalling you say?

I was replying to an earlier post in this thread which asked me why I put 40 quid on a 12/1. I couldn't give a sh1t if your interested or not, I was replying to the question.

If you're going to reply to someone else, it's probably a good idea that you quote them, rather than quoting me.

Seriously, get a life, if all you do all day is police this forum for minor infractions then you live a sad and lonely existance.

I couldn't give a toss about the consequences of this post.
Your attitude and general manner is appalling, its about time someone told you.

This is a forum that rarely needs to be policed and I do very little moderating. I was getting a lot of pms from valued users asking if we'd crak down on aftertiming. I updated the charter accordingly. You didn't read the charter and broke the rules. You were banned for a day.

ErinGoBrath

I have to agree with Keyzer. The banning in my opinion was very harsh and your attitude can be poor at the best of times.

I really don't see why so many posts on this forum requires you to jump in and make a big deal out of nothing.

Really, lighten up a little fade. It's a public forum not a prison.