I am going to change my diet

junii

Hi,
Im quite skinny and have a low metabolism or high (whichever means you eat alot but don't put on much weight)

Im not sure if ppl here can help me or maybe I should go to a professional.

Anyways, at the moment im very unfit and have low energy. Most likely the reason I have low energy is because I am unfit but I would say my diet has alot to do with it also. I eat lots of red meat and my diet isn't balanced. I am taking up cycling as a hobby to get fit and in the future I hope to get into long distance road cycling.

I want to get my diet right, eat the right foods...drink enough water every day et cetera. I would also like to gain weight. I would have to give up the cycling if I started losing weight from the cycling.

Im also interested in these protein supplements...creatine and the like. What are ppls opionions of these and do they work? I have a tendancy to put on muscle rather than fat.

Cheers. Im going to post this in the fitness thread also.

Smellyirishman

age/weight/height/sex?
Current diet in detail?

You will be able to cycle and get up to a decent weight so don't ever stop exercising just because you think it's stopping you from gaining weight, it's not, you're just not eating enough. Of course, if you want to get huge then you will have to take a look at how you are doing cardio, but to get to a decent "average" weight, cardio will not stop you.

Of course without your current stats, that advise could be different.

Supplements are great, but only as SUPPLEMENTS.

Oh and read the stickies at the top of the forum.

alantc

You probably don't have a high metabolism. You just need to eat a lot more. Search google and find a calculator to tell you how many calories you need for 'maintainance'. Then add the number of calories you're burning when cycling. Then add a few hundred so you'll gain weight.

If you're not going to a gym the weight you gain will probably be more fat then you'll want. You can view protein shakes just as any other food. Creatine is only necessary when you're weight lifting plateaus.

junii

21/11 st./6'2/male

Breakfast - Weetabix, banana
First break - Sandwich
Lunch - Mexican, Dinner, (potatos, veg, chicken or lamb- this is a cheap enough dinner so there may be frig all nutrients in it). McDonalds(depending on day)

Dinner - Potatos, raw carrot, (steak, pork chops, bacon - depending on day)

Well, I must stress that Im very skinny and can never seem to put on any weight. I think I have a really high metabolism. What do you mean by cardio?

alantc: I don't mean to come across wrong here but how can you say "you probably don't have high metabolism"

Dragan

junii wrote:

alantc: I don't mean to come across wrong here but how can you say "you probably don't have high metabolism"

He means you don't actually eat a lot. Basically. And upon seeing your diet he is spot on.

I would not expect you to follow the below diet, but this is what i eat on a high food intake day ( ie a heavy workout day ) on other days i just pretty much drop out the ric/pasta's.

But this is what a lot of food is. If you eating like this, training hard, recovering well and sleep a lot and still not growing, then you have a lot to worry about.

Until then, your just not doing enough.

Meal 1 : 75 grams Oatmeal with honey, 3 boiled eggs, whey shake.
Meal 2 : 2 chicken fillets, 75 grams brown rice, 100 grams mixed veg.
Meal 3 : 200 grams mince beef, 75 grams wholewheat pasta, 50 grams mixed veg.
Meal 4 :2 chicken fillets, 75 grams brown rice, 100 grams mixed veg.
Pre Workout Shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies
Workout
Post Workout shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies
Meal 5 : 100 grams white rice with 2 chicken fillets/beef and mixed veg.
Pre Bed Shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies.

alantc

Having a high metabolism is an assumption made by people who don't realise that they should be eating lots more than they are already. Maintainance calories for me is about 2700 calories which takes me 2 cereals, 3 sandwiches and a dinner to reach. Then to gain weight I have to throw in a few protein shakes and a small dinner.

rubadub

junii wrote:

Breakfast - Weetabix, banana
First break - Sandwich

Do you know how many calories you are eating per day. weetabix could be 100 or 800kcal, same goes for a the sambo.

junii

Jazus, this has been really insightful. And all these years I have been fooling myself. I never realized I would have to eat that much at all.

Dragan: Is this day in, day out? Surely, you must need to change it every 2-3 days to stop yourself from getting sick of the same thing?

What do you put on the chicken fillets? Is brown rice better than white?
Isn't porridge oatmeal?

How do I find out how many calories I need every day?

Smellyirishman

Well, as a 12st 2lbs, 6' 2" male, on the up, I can relate!

I started at 10st and always assumed that I was destined to be skinny forever, the usual crap was all included "Oh, you can eat anything and still get skinnier" , "I am a hardgainer", "I have a high metabolism". It's all bull.

I was not eating enough food, end of story. It's tough , stuffing all that food in (and when you look at what Dragan or some of the others eat it really ain't all that much) but you get used to it and it becomes second nature. If I stop cramming my face full of food, I drop in weight, it's hard but it's worth it and it's definitly not impossible.

For an idea of what I eat...

Breakfast: bowl porridge, 2 toast with peanut butter, protein shake
Arrive after cycling to work: 2 more toast + Pbutter
11am Break: chicken breast, piece of fruit.
Lunch: 2 tuna sandwiches (4 slices of wholegrain bread) + litre milk
4pm Break: chicken breast, piece of fruit.
Home arrival: fruit, bread+honey
Post-Gym/Training: Protein shake, carbs
Dinner: Irish Mother Standard; spuds, carrots, peas, meat.
Pre-Bed: Litre of milk

More milk drunk throughout the day along with water and stuff, but you get the general idea. It's by no means perfect, but should serve as an idea. As you can see, I both cycle to work (5 days) and train for GAA (2 days) and am still putting on weight. It seems like a lot, but work on it bit by bit and it will just become habit and be so easy. Turn that hardgainer attitude into a hardworker one and you will see results.

{EDIT}Chicken Fillets can be marinaded with anything within reason (there are plenty of decent choices out there) or plain if you don't particularly mind. Porridge, Oatmeal, pot-a-toe , pot-ah-toe. Brown is best!

junii

Great guys. This is inspiring.

SmellyIrishman: How long has it taken for you to put on that 2stone?

Can somebody point me to somewhere that lists all the different types of foods I could eat?

Dragan

junii wrote:

Dragan: Is this day in, day out? Surely, you must need to change it every 2-3 days to stop yourself from getting sick of the same thing?

How do I find out how many calories I need every day?

Hey dude,

to be honest i will normally eat the same way for abou 12 weeks, then change it up depending on what goals are etc. It's just easier that way, rather than needing to worry each time i have a meal, does it contain everything i need.

I just apply the same workman like attitude towards my food as i do towards weights and cardio. You gotta lift, you gotta hit the threadmill, you gotta eat.

To be honest, i like the taste of most of the stuff....take the likes of G'em who also posts her, and what she is currently doing ( an extreme cut ) and you will see what willpower can mean when it comes to your food.

To find out how many calories you need a day, just take your LBM, lean body mass, in pounds and multiply by 18. This is a rough guide, but one that i find works well.

Just alfter you daily intake so your not eating bucket loads of carbs you don't need on non training days and it's all good.

Smellyirishman

junii wrote:

SmellyIrishman: How long has it taken for you to put on that 2stone?

Since February, with delays from exams, holidays and illness.

Another thing I must say is, keep learning, there is an infinite amount of information available to you on the 'net. We can give you an idea of how we do things, but to really succeed you need to educate yourself and find out what works for you.

junii

Dragan wrote:

Hey dude,

to be honest i will normally eat the same way for abou 12 weeks, then change it up depending on what goals are etc. It's just easier that way, rather than needing to worry each time i have a meal, does it contain everything i need.

I just apply the same workman like attitude towards my food as i do towards weights and cardio. You gotta lift, you gotta hit the threadmill, you gotta eat.

To be honest, i like the taste of most of the stuff....take the likes of G'em who also posts her, and what she is currently doing ( an extreme cut ) and you will see what willpower can mean when it comes to your food.

To find out how many calories you need a day, just take your LBM, lean body mass, in pounds and multiply by 18. This is a rough guide, but one that i find works well.

Just alfter you daily intake so your not eating bucket loads of carbs you don't need on non training days and it's all good.

Im 11st and 6 pounds I think. How many pounds is there in a stone?

Dragan

junii wrote:

Im 11st and 6 pounds I think. How many pounds is there in a stone?

14 dude.

quozl

I'd just like to point out the obvious here, you're already a healthy weight and you have no energy because you're unfit. Your plan to cycle is a good one.

If you want to bulk up for some reason then that's fine but don't go fooling yourself that your lack of energy is because you're under-weight instead of under-fit.

I was 6ft and 10 3/4 stone, a very similar bmi at your age. However I was active so I felt great.

junii

Is that 14 incl. the other 6 or do you mean 14+6 meaning in total im 20LB.

If I multiply 20 by 18 though thats only 360 calories.

junii

quozl wrote:

I'd just like to point out the obvious here, you're already a healthy weight and you have no energy because you're unfit. Your plan to cycle is a good one.

If you want to bulk up for some reason then that's fine but don't go fooling yourself that your lack of energy is because you're under-weight instead of under-fit.

I was 6ft and 10 3/4 stone, a fair bit lower bmi at your age. However I was active so I felt great.

Thing is though, although I know im not underweight, I just look underweight. I really am fairly skinny looking.

Budo.Judo.Kev

Dragan wrote:

To be honest, i like the taste of most of the stuff....take the likes of G'em who also posts her, and what she is currently doing ( an extreme cut ) and you will see what willpower can mean when it comes to your food.

Hi Dragan, is g'em logging/documenting what she's eating not eating for this cut. I'd be interested to read it.

quozl

junii wrote:

Thing is though, although I know im not underweight, I just look underweight. I really am fairly skinny looking.

I know what you mean, sounds like you have exactly the build I did back then. Really low body fat so you look really skinny.

Just do give the cardio stuff some priority along with your weights. If you want more energy and to feel fitter it's the way to go, and it won't make you lose weight if you're sensible. Just do what I do after my long runs and drink a litre of chocolate milk. It's a good recovery drink and it's bloody delicious

Dragan

Budo.Judo.Kev wrote:

Hi Dragan, is g'em logging/documenting what she's eating not eating for this cut. I'd be interested to read it.

Here you go dude, everything is being logged over at www.teamtestforum.com in G'em journal....i have linked directly to the page where it starts below, just scroll about half way down that page to get to where it all starts.

http://teamtest.freeforumsite.com/teamtest-about160-0-asc-225.html

I know you’re a MA guy, so it should be noted that is a very extreme cut, and there will be a massive loss of energy over the course of it. As such, in an athelte, there would be a massive performance drop, and they would be unable to train efficently on a cut like this or prepare for an event or tourney!

If you looking for a good way for guys to help cut weight, then it's really a case by case issue as to the shape they are in and how far they are from the target weight. If you ever need a second pair of eyes for something like that dude, please feel free to post as I would love to help out anyway that I could!

junii

quozl wrote:

I know what you mean, sounds like you have exactly the build I did back then. Really low body fat so you look really skinny.

Just do give the cardio stuff some priority along with your weights. If you want more energy and to feel fitter it's the way to go, and it won't make you lose weight if you're sensible. Just do what I do after my long runs and drink a litre of chocolate milk. It's a good recovery drink and it's bloody delicious

What is cardio stuff? Is that just stuff that gets your heart beat up?

Smellyirishman

G'em is probably dropping all the hot gossip over at teamtest, she said she would link to the log over here but it has yet to appear, fingers crossed it will be there soon.

14 pounds in a stone.

You're 11 stone and 6 pounds, which equates to, dum dum dum, 160lbs.

{EDIT} Yes, cardio = cardiovascular = get that heart beating = running/swimming/cycling/rowing...

junii

Ok, I don't really want to overwhelmed at the beginning. I just want something to focus on for getting started and then improve or make changes as soon as I get into the routine.

According to that formula I should be taking in 2,880 calories in a day. Can somebody post what I should eat for starting off and associated calories so I can see how it adds up.

Also, would food in aldi be less nutrious than stuff in Super Valu or Tesco?

Smellyirishman

The diet I posted will give you a rough idea anyway, then just play with it and adapt it to your own needs. Food is as nutritious at the wrapper says it is (in most cases), not the shop it comes from. Most of the food you will be buying won't have labels though! (IE, stay natural)

Look in the stickies for good foods to eat. Try www.fitday.com for food and calorie diaries.

junii

Dragan wrote:

He means you don't actually eat a lot. Basically. And upon seeing your diet he is spot on.

I would not expect you to follow the below diet, but this is what i eat on a high food intake day ( ie a heavy workout day ) on other days i just pretty much drop out the ric/pasta's.

But this is what a lot of food is. If you eating like this, training hard, recovering well and sleep a lot and still not growing, then you have a lot to worry about.

Until then, your just not doing enough.

Meal 1 : 75 grams Oatmeal with honey, 3 boiled eggs, whey shake.
Meal 2 : 2 chicken fillets, 75 grams brown rice, 100 grams mixed veg.
Meal 3 : 200 grams mince beef, 75 grams wholewheat pasta, 50 grams mixed veg.
Meal 4 :2 chicken fillets, 75 grams brown rice, 100 grams mixed veg.
Pre Workout Shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies
Workout
Post Workout shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies
Meal 5 : 100 grams white rice with 2 chicken fillets/beef and mixed veg.
Pre Bed Shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies.

Is whey shake a protein supplement?
I remember hearing before that you should only eat 2 eggs a week. Is this correct? How is the best way to eat them?

rubadub

junii wrote:

According to that formula I should be taking in 2,880 calories in a day. Can somebody post what I should eat for starting off and associated calories so I can see how it adds up.

No, he said lean body mass x18. Lean mass is your mass-fat, you are probably about 10% body fat so about 2600kcal a day. There are online calculators like this http://www.stevenscreek.com/goodies/calories.shtml
just type calorie calculator into google for plenty.

I know I have a slower metabolism than average since every calculator I have ever used would mean I should have lost far more weight than I was at the time.

Get yourself a small weighing scales for weighing foods like fruit or cereals etc. I got a pocket digital scales on ebay for €14 delivered new.

Chucky the tree

quozl wrote:

I'd just like to point out the obvious here, you're already a healthy weight and you have no energy because you're unfit. Your plan to cycle is a good one.

If you want to bulk up for some reason then that's fine but don't go fooling yourself that your lack of energy is because you're under-weight instead of under-fit.

I was 6ft and 10 3/4 stone, a very similar bmi at your age. However I was active so I felt great.

At 6'2 and 11st the chap should be looking to add at least 2 stone on to him. He has to be close to being underweight at his current level.

open up an account on www.fitday.com and get enter the current foods you eat and see how you are doing.

You should be aiming for about 180grams of protein, 200gs carbs maybe even more and 80g fats.

g'em

Dragan wrote:

Budo.Judo.Kev wrote:

Hi Dragan, is g'em logging/documenting what she's eating not eating for this cut. I'd be interested to read it

.

Here you go dude, everything is being logged over at www.teamtestforum.com in G'em journal....i have linked directly to the page where it starts below, just scroll about half way down that page to get to where it all starts.

http://teamtest.freeforumsite.com/te...0-asc-225.html

I know you’re a MA guy, so it should be noted that is a very extreme cut, and there will be a massive loss of energy over the course of it. As such, in an athelte, there would be a massive performance drop, and they would be unable to train efficently on a cut like this or prepare for an event or tourney!

Kev, like Dragan said, the cut I'm doing is extreme, and probably not a suitable cut program to enhance athletic performance. What I'm doing is more of a BBing-comp style cut, aimed at seriously reducing bodyfat levels i.e. it's primarily for aesthetics, but gives me (just) enough energy to keep lifting so I keep lean muscle mass high. My lifting performance and overall strength will suffer as a result, so if you were looking for a cut in prep for a fight or such it may not be suitable. It's an 8 week plan whereas if you wanted to drop weight before a fight you could probably get away with a shorter 3-4 week cut as long as your maintenance weight was pretty good. Anyways, as the requests have been made I'll start posting the cut in a fitness log here as soon as I get the chance.

@ junii, yeas whey protein is a protein supplement. It's nothing fancy, its basically jsut protein powder that you add water/ milk to and drink as helping hand to get your proetin quoitent for the day (instead of having to eat 4 or five chicken fillets).

And you can happily eat an egg a day, mroe even. Although eggs are high in cholesterol, it's the good kind, as well as being chocca full of vitamins and minerals. Put it this way- an egg yolk contains all the nutrients necessary to allow a growing chick to develop i.e. ithas all the nutrients needed to grow. And that's always good!!

Budo.Judo.Kev

Hehe, Thanks guys for being so concerned, I don't think there was a chane in hell in me attempting to do what g'em is doing.

I had a quick look through the log, didn't read it all, it goes on for 20 pages! But am I correct in saying basically, 90% of the time she's only eating things in tablet form? That's kinda scary :eek:

junii

Well I started today. This morning I has a large egg, loads of porridge and a banana. I will eat more tomorrow, I was in a rush this morning. Still though, its twice as much as I normally would eat. I am going to buy the food this week so I can start properly on Monday.

What should I get for my break and lucnh today from Tesco as I didn't bring any food with me?

g'em

Budo.Judo.Kev wrote:

Hehe, Thanks guys for being so concerned, I don't think there was a chane in hell in me attempting to do what g'em is doing.

I had a quick look through the log, didn't read it all, it goes on for 20 pages! But am I correct in saying basically, 90% of the time she's only eating things in tablet form? That's kinda scary :eek:

lol, I don't think there's too many people in their right mind who'd do what I'm doing!!! I do tend to waffle quite a lot in my journal alright hence the 20 pages. But the cut diary starts on page 17 I think. I'm going to put up the details of it here this morning. But no, I'm not taking 90% of things in supplement form, while it's a very low calorie diet I take a lot of supplements to keep my vitamin/ mineral intake the same as normal and a lot of protein supps to maintain lean muscle on a caolrie deficit. But yes, it's still kinda scary

@junii, if you need to get food on the go get lean meats from the salad bar, wholemeal bread and salads. Common sense will help dictate what you should and shouldn't eat. Keep processed foods out and instead buy things like cans of tuna. There's plenty of info int eh stickies about putting together a good shopping list so take a look at that too.

junii

Chucky the tree wrote:

At 6'2 and 11st the chap should be looking to add at least 2 stone on to him. He has to be close to being underweight at his current level.

open up an account on www.fitday.com and get enter the current foods you eat and see how you are doing.

You should be aiming for about 180grams of protein, 200gs carbs maybe even more and 80g fats.

How long should I set to acheive a goal of putting on 2 stone?
If I should be eating in or around 2700cals per day, how much protein should I take and how much more cals should I eat to acheive 2 stone in the shortest time possible?


Ive created an account on fitday now also. Very good site.
What exactly is a calorie? Can a protein constitute a calorie or a carbohydrate?

Thanks for the help so far.

brianthebard

Dragan wrote:

He means you don't actually eat a lot. Basically. And upon seeing your diet he is spot on.

I would not expect you to follow the below diet, but this is what i eat on a high food intake day ( ie a heavy workout day ) on other days i just pretty much drop out the ric/pasta's.

But this is what a lot of food is. If you eating like this, training hard, recovering well and sleep a lot and still not growing, then you have a lot to worry about.

Until then, your just not doing enough.

Meal 1 : 75 grams Oatmeal with honey, 3 boiled eggs, whey shake.
Meal 2 : 2 chicken fillets, 75 grams brown rice, 100 grams mixed veg.
Meal 3 : 200 grams mince beef, 75 grams wholewheat pasta, 50 grams mixed veg.
Meal 4 :2 chicken fillets, 75 grams brown rice, 100 grams mixed veg.
Pre Workout Shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies
Workout
Post Workout shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies
Meal 5 : 100 grams white rice with 2 chicken fillets/beef and mixed veg.
Pre Bed Shake : contains 40 grams protein + other goodies.

I don't mean to stray from the point of the thread but how much protein do you consume per day on average? and what weight are you? I just want to get a sense of how much protein is actually needed to build muscle.

g'em

junii wrote:

Ive created an account on fitday now also. Very good site.
What exactly is a calorie? Can a protein constitute a calorie or a carbohydrate?

junii a calorie is a measuement of energy. Without getting too scientific about it all the food you eat provides calories or units of energy that your body can use. Every day you need a certain number of calories (energy) for your body to work properly. If you eat less than this you create a calorie deficit and your body will start to use its own energy stores in the form of fat and/ or muscle and you will lose weight. To gain weight you must eat mroe calroeis than you need so that your body stores those calories

the trick though is to exercise at the same time so that your body will use the extra calories to be stored as msucle and not fat.

@brainthebard- the protein required for good muscle building ranges according to different opinions but is generally anything from 1g protein/ kg body weight to 1.8g protein/ kg body weight.

Edit: junii, honestly, most of your Q's are anwered in the stickies- how much protein do I need? how much do I need to eat etc. Read and enjoy!!

quozl

Chucky the tree wrote:

At 6'2 and 11st the chap should be looking to add at least 2 stone on to him. He has to be close to being underweight at his current level.

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/bmi/adult_BMI/english_bmi_calculator/results_normal.htm?pounds=154&inches=74

He's well within what is considered normal/healthy. Putting on 2 stone of muscle would do him no harm, but he's a healthy weight and his lack of energy is most likely from no exercise not from his diet. Adding extra weight as fat for the sake of it would be a bad thing.

My concern would be that the poster might take what is a reasonably healthy diet and turn it into over-eating but not balance that out properly with enough exercise.

junii

Smellyirishman wrote:

Well, as a 12st 2lbs, 6' 2" male, on the up, I can relate!

I started at 10st and always assumed that I was destined to be skinny forever, the usual crap was all included "Oh, you can eat anything and still get skinnier" , "I am a hardgainer", "I have a high metabolism". It's all bull.

I was not eating enough food, end of story. It's tough , stuffing all that food in (and when you look at what Dragan or some of the others eat it really ain't all that much) but you get used to it and it becomes second nature. If I stop cramming my face full of food, I drop in weight, it's hard but it's worth it and it's definitly not impossible.

For an idea of what I eat...

Breakfast: bowl porridge, 2 toast with peanut butter, protein shake
Arrive after cycling to work: 2 more toast + Pbutter
11am Break: chicken breast, piece of fruit.
Lunch: 2 tuna sandwiches (4 slices of wholegrain bread) + litre milk
4pm Break: chicken breast, piece of fruit.
Home arrival: fruit, bread+honey
Post-Gym/Training: Protein shake, carbs
Dinner: Irish Mother Standard; spuds, carrots, peas, meat.
Pre-Bed: Litre of milk

More milk drunk throughout the day along with water and stuff, but you get the general idea. It's by no means perfect, but should serve as an idea. As you can see, I both cycle to work (5 days) and train for GAA (2 days) and am still putting on weight. It seems like a lot, but work on it bit by bit and it will just become habit and be so easy. Turn that hardgainer attitude into a hardworker one and you will see results.

{EDIT}Chicken Fillets can be marinaded with anything within reason (there are plenty of decent choices out there) or plain if you don't particularly mind. Porridge, Oatmeal, pot-a-toe , pot-ah-toe. Brown is best!

Is it full fat milk that you drink?

Smellyirishman

Yes, full fat. It works for me, it may not for you, trial and error my friend.

junii

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=55

What does it mean here by 1.00 cup. How much is that?

Smellyirishman

1 cup is a standard measurement, equal to 8 fluid ounces (or almost 1/4 liter I think). Google it and you will find other conversions.

vigos

Just wanted to ask something after reading the original post. Junii mentioned he wanted to get into long distance road cycling and also gain weight. Now from doing a bit of cycling myself although not competitively it doesn't really help to go bulking up too much as you will have to carry that extra weight up hills etc. Most cyclists tend to be skinny i.e low body fat, with big thighs and the upper body tends to be less developed.

Wouldn't eating to build muscle and gain weight be dfferent to eating for enduranced based sports such as cycling? I'm not saying that you dont have to eat but maybe the carbs/protein ratio is probably different.

Junni, do you want to race competitively or just cycle to get fit and go out for spins say with the local cycling club?

junii

vigos wrote:

Just wanted to ask something after reading the original post. Junii mentioned he wanted to get into long distance road cycling and also gain weight. Now from doing a bit of cycling myself although not competitively it doesn't really help to go bulking up too much as you will have to carry that extra weight up hills etc. Most cyclists tend to be skinny i.e low body fat, with big thighs and the upper body tends to be less developed.

Wouldn't eating to build muscle and gain weight be dfferent to eating for enduranced based sports such as cycling? I'm not saying that you dont have to eat but maybe the carbs/protein ratio is probably different.

Junni, do you want to race competitively or just cycle to get fit and go out for spins say with the local cycling club?

God, I haven't really thought about racing competively but deep down I suppose I would like to. For the moment it would be scenic routes and going for spins but on a semi-serious basis. As in I would be cycling every morning before work.

I would not cycle much though now at the moment as if I lost any more weight.........

I must gain weight (about 2 stone) and sustain that before I can take the cycling too seriously though.

junii

Ive just done up this calculation.

4 fillets - (222calsx4) = 888
3 bananas - (100calsx3) = 300
2 eggs - (68calsx2) = 136
2 apples - (81calsx2) = 162
1 Orange = 61
2 litres of full fat milk (121cals per 1/4) = 1068

So thats 2,615 cals covered without even including my dinner or oatmeal for breakfast. Are my calculations correct?

vigos

The cycling shouldn't cause you to lose much weight if you are already quite skinny and if you also increase the amount you eat too. You might actually gain weight if you do some strength training on the bike!

Anyway I would suggest joining a club, they usually have a non-competitive side to them too but still go on decent spins and plus you pick up alot of good knowledge from other cyclists too.

Chucky the tree

quozl wrote:

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/bmi/adult_BMI/english_bmi_calculator/results_normal.htm?pounds=154&inches=74

He's well within what is considered normal/healthy. Putting on 2 stone of muscle would do him no harm, but he's a healthy weight and his lack of energy is most likely from no exercise not from his diet. Adding extra weight as fat for the sake of it would be a bad thing.

My concern would be that the poster might take what is a reasonably healthy diet and turn it into over-eating but not balance that out properly with enough exercise.

If someone is interested in gaining muscle weight i wouldnt pay attention to the BMI.

If he is doing weight training and eating plenty of decent foods he should be gaining mostly muscle weight.

Junii, do you plan on joining a gym or already a memeber?

I'd also recommend drinking low fat milk instead.

junii

Why would you recommend low fat milk?

Im not a member of any gym. I was thinking of just doing cardio (cycling) and push ups and sit ups at home. In the future I may join a gym. I would be interested in getting a home gym if I could pick-up a decent second hand one.