Learner driver in a Skyline...WTF?

DublinWriter

Motoring along the new Ashbourne bypass today I spotted a white 97D Skyline...with L plates!!!

I mean, WTF?

Am I being an old crusty by suggesting that a Skyline isn't exactly the most apropriate car for a learner driver?

Anyway, I passed our friend out and proceeded to keep to an even 120kpm/h. Ten minutes later chummy whizzes past me at what looked like 160kpm/h with a 95D Honda Accord up his behind.

Madness.

colm_mcm

In fairness, he seems to have figured out the going fast bit. the rest might follow....

(then again, maybe not.)

jimmycrackcorm

Perhaps the L plate wasn't there for the drivers benefit.

colm_mcm

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

Perhaps the L plate wasn't there for the drivers benefit.

(I don't get it)

Wishbone Ash

colm_mcm wrote:

(I don't get it)

Neither do I. Someone who drives it must be a learner!

PowerHouseDan

L could of standed for Langer

Wishbone Ash

PowerHouseDan wrote:

L could of standed for Langer

Langer? Munster expression??

Rudolph Claus

Am I being an old crusty by suggesting that a Skyline isn't exactly the most apropriate car for a learner driver?

Your not being an old crusty but are you thick that you cant figure out that displaying l plates doesnt mean he or anyone driving the car is a learner. It means 1 of the divers of it is on a provisional licence, could be driving 5yrs or more and be on a provisional, would that be a learner to you. :rolleyes: Say hes on a provisional for the past 3yrs and has his l plates up, then does his test tomorrow and passes, takes L plates off, is he a better/worse driver the day after tomorrow??:rolleyes:

Whats your point anyway, jealous you cant afford 1? I noticed you mention the other cars on the road but didnt say what your driving, POS is it?

colm_mcm

A Skyline is an unusual learner car. It may not belong to the learner and it may have been the only car available to them (although the cost of insurance alone for a provisional driver would surely buy another car plus insurance) . Anyone doing 160kmph should be criticised though.

DublinWriter

Nuttzy wrote:

could be driving 5yrs or more and be on a provisional, would that be a learner to you. :rolleyes:

Yes. The definition of a learner driver is someone who hasn't passed their driving test yet.

Nuttzy wrote:

Whats your point anyway, jealous you cant afford 1? I noticed you mention the other cars on the road but didnt say what your driving, POS is it?

I'm driving an 04 BWM 320 on a full licence that I qualified for in 1994, accident and conviction free on a full 5 years NCB.

Now get yours out, since you want to turn this into a pissing contest.

Rudolph Claus

Well im half your age, but my dad has a 330D. I have a Honda 450 quad though and a nice civic coupe. Oh, yeah and we`ve land.

Whats a BWM?
Do you live in a housing estate?

Yes. The definition of a learner driver is someone who hasn't passed their driving test yet.

So your 1 of them ever increasing politically correct spas, thought so. An l plate doesnt mean hes "learning" it more than likely means hes probably more than capable of driving his car.If you used your common sense you`d have understood that but common sense is rare in people these days.

muletide

And we have land Stupidest quote of the year award goes to Nuttzy.

colm_mcm

Nuttzy wrote:

An l plate doesnt mean hes "learning" it more than likely means hes probably more than capable of driving his car.

I'm pretty sure L plates are used by learners

Rudolph Claus

Thanks, ill pick up my award at a later date.

DublinWriter

Nuttzy wrote:

So your 1 of them ever increasing politically correct spas, thought so. An l plate doesnt mean hes "learning" it more than likely means hes probably more than capable of driving his car.If you used your common sense you`d have understood that but common sense is rare in people these days.

You've kinda given away the game that you're on a Provisional licence yourself and probably well under 25.

Provisional licences mean nothing. I can be a complete danger to life and limb and still be on my 5th Provisional licence. You might as well argue that hundred of hours playing GTA gives you driver skills.

In an ideal world, Provisional Licence holders would only be allowed out with a driving instructor and we'd have enough Driving Testers to ensure a waiting list of a few days. That's the way it works in most of mainland Europe.

This being Ireland though, we have learner drivers bunting around in Skylines and one of the highest rates of road deaths in Europe.

P.S. Kudos to yer Da for having both a 330D and land.

Stark

DublinWriter wrote:

Motoring along the new Ashbourne bypass today I spotted a white 97D Skyline...with L plates!!!

I mean, WTF?

Am I being an old crusty by suggesting that a Skyline isn't exactly the most apropriate car for a learner driver?

Boy racer. A "sensible car in which to learn the ropes" is fairly low on their list of priorities.

jd

Nuttzy wrote:

Oh, yeah and we`ve land.

.
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Do you live in a housing estate?

Whats up with you, Nuttzy?

colm_mcm

I'm just amazed that the driver could get insurance, even a tame Skyline is nigh on impossible to cover.

Stark

Maybe he's a named driver in daddy's car.

Wishbone Ash

Nuttzy wrote:

then does his test tomorrow and passes, takes L plates off, is he a better/worse driver the day after tomorrow?

It means that he has proven that he has reached the required standard. I don't see your difficulty with this. Take the leaving certificate examination as an example. A student who has not sat/passed the LC may be a lot smarter that a student who has. However try telling that to a prospective employer/college. A doctor who has not passed his finals cannot call himself a doctor yet he may be more competent than one who has. Yet he will not be allowed to practise until he passes.

Rudolph Claus

I can be a complete danger to life and limb and still be on my 5th Provisional licence.

Would you agree that you could be an equal danger to life and limb and have a full license? Thats all my point was.

Ps:Im 22 and have got my full licence on the 3rd try but am not ignorant enough to assume an L plate displayed means the driver or 1 of the drivers is literally "learning to drive". You make it sound as if you were half expecting the skyline to be bunnyhopping around the roads.

DublinWriter

Nuttzy wrote:

You make it sound as if you were half expecting the skyline to be bunnyhopping around the roads.

It was.

But now I'm intrigued! How much land does Daddy own? Where's it situated? Have ye a quota? Does he let you race your quad on it and bother the cattle?

colm_mcm

until you get your full license and proven you can drive, you are a learner. (some types insist that you never stop being a learner)

5500

colm_mcm wrote:

I'm just amazed that the driver could get insurance, even a tame Skyline is nigh on impossible to cover.

Too true,hard enough insuring a skybus with a full licence and some ncb never mind as just a learner,id say it cost a right wedge to do.Then again if you can use a skyline as a daily driver you should have no problems paying big money for insurance

jd

DublinWriter wrote:

It was.

But now I'm intrigued! How much land does Daddy own? Where's it situated? Have ye a quota? Does he let you race your quad on it and bother the cattle?

And does he have a lake for his jetskis??

mike65

Nuttzy, still winning friends and influencing people.

Mike.

mloc123

Nuttzy wrote:

Well im half your age, but my dad has a 330D. Oh, yeah and we`ve land.

lol at the we have land. Your dad has land, you have fcuk all apart from a quad and a civic coupe :rolleyes: I presume you still live at home with your parents too since you boast about their stuff.

unkel

mloc123 wrote:

lol at the we have land. Your dad has land, you have fcuk all apart from a quad and a civic coupe :rolleyes:

And don't forget he is the proud owner of a Provisional License too

C_Breeze

DublinWriter wrote:

Motoring along the new Ashbourne bypass today I spotted a white 97D Skyline...with L plates!!!

I mean, WTF?

Am I being an old crusty by suggesting that a Skyline isn't exactly the most apropriate car for a learner driver?

Anyway, I passed our friend out and proceeded to keep to an even 120kpm/h. Ten minutes later chummy whizzes past me at what looked like 160kpm/h with a 95D Honda Accord up his behind.

Madness.

So?

you want a skyline? ...off you go!
you want to drive at 160kmh?..be my guest!

whats your point?

Matt Simis

This thread didnt start with the definition of a learner. Besides, if he can get insurance (XS Direct), pays his tax, then there is nothing to whinge about, he can legally drive what he wants. Now obviously in this case he was allegedly speeding which is a different matter.

Also, its unlikely he started in the Skyline now isnt it? One day, waiting lists for tests will be measured in days, but till then, guess Ireland has a "unique" road makeup..


Matt

Chonker

eireal wrote:

Then again if you can use a skyline as a daily driver you should have no problems paying big money for insurance

You should be more specific. I drive a 2.5 nero straight six every day, non turbo and it cost less to run each day than my wifes 2.0 v6 maxima. I dont understand what you have based your facts on. Is it your experence of skylines or your thoughts on people who drive them. For the record I wouldnt say we had no problems getting insurance on it but we did and I probably would have saved harder if it was more expensive.

5500

Is your car gold by any chance?
I base it on expierence of a Gtst,with on a good day 20mpg.The car could have done with its own petrol pump in the garden

sullivk

Maybe the car belongs to a full licenced driver and a learner is also insured on it as a named driver. It doesn't really matter, people can drive whatever car they want.
Why do people think that learners should drive a 1L car???

Stark

Less powerful cars are easier to control when you're learning the basics of how to handle a car. They're also statistically less likely to be in an accident.

I think once you have the basics of car handling though then engine size becomes less of a factor in how easy it is to drive the car. That's probably what Nuttzy was trying to get at.

DublinWriter

sullivk wrote:

It doesn't really matter, people can drive whatever car they want.
Why do people think that learners should drive a 1L car???

Is does really matter, we have one of the highest rates of road deaths in Europe.

I don't think learners should drive a 1L car...I think learners shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel at all unless accompanied by a driving instructor (as is the case in France and Germany).

I really couldn't give a stuff if he's on his millionth provisional licence, if it's really his dad's car, etc etc. A Japanese supercar is not the appropriate choice of bus for the learner IMHO.

311

the cars engine might be a small one ,or maybe taxed that way

Squirrel

It would've been really difficult to get insured on it, I was quoted a grand to go named driver on my sisters 1L Micra, and couldn't get a named driver on my dads MR2 G-Limited

Stark

The more I think about, being a boy racer, the chances are he wasn't insured at all.

311

theres no way the driver (if it was a learner driving at the time) ,wasn't insured.
You can be guaranteed the reason the L signs are on the car is because the guards have stopped the car without the L signs.

Wertz

Stark wrote:

The more I think about, being a boy racer, the chances are he wasn't insured at all.

Read my mind.

seamus

eireal wrote:

Too true,hard enough insuring a skybus with a full licence and some ncb never mind as just a learner,id say it cost a right wedge to do.Then again if you can use a skyline as a daily driver you should have no problems paying big money for insurance

A well known scam by the "Daddy has land" brigade is to tell the insurance company that the skyline has a towbar, and thus insuring it under farm insurance. FBD will do this, for one.

Of course, these morons don't realise that the disc on their windscreen is only fit for wiping their arses with.

comanche

Doing driving lesson's in navan a few year back and the next pupil after me turned up in a porshe 911. Needless to say she got out of the porshe and into the instructors yaris.

According to the instructor it was the pupil's hubby's car. He is in the car business.

Still though I don't think I'd be handing over the keys of my beloved porshe to a learner.... Would love to have seen the testers face if she turned up and did the test in the 911!

Shows how messed up the system is that a person can learn to drive in a 911 or skyline!

Chonker

eireal wrote:

Is your car gold by any chance?
I base it on expierence of a Gtst,with on a good day 20mpg.The car could have done with its own petrol pump in the garden

No its not gold.

That might be true of your Gtst, I didnt say it was economical but its cheaper to run than the Maxima.

Fact.

Chonker

Stark wrote:

The more I think about, being a boy racer, the chances are he wasn't insured at all.

Thats assuming he indeed was a boy and not a man, as Dublinwriter did not specify an age group. Why do people see a Skyline and figure boy racer.

Stark have you never taken your car past 120k if you did it in a skyline would that make you a boy racer?

What a great imagination you have. Think about it a bit more.

Stark

Well I'm under 25 and I reckon if I was driving at 160km/h in a white skyline which my buddy riding up my ass in a Honda Accord, I probably would fit the definition of a boy racer

Seth Brundle

colm_mcm wrote:

I'm pretty sure L plates are used by learners

and quite often, their parents!

Stark

They need to make the easy peel ones more available. I was surprised to find out how hard they are to come by. The adhesive ones are completely pointless except for long-term provisional licence holders with their own cars which is very common but not exactly in keeping with the spirit of the system.

Sesshoumaru

I wish I had a Skyline when I was learning to drive. No harm in a learner using a Skyline as long as they have had an appropriate number of lessons and a fully licenced driver with them while driving it.

Hotblack Desiato

Sesshoumaru wrote:

I wish I had a Skyline when I was learning to drive.

I had a 998cc Metro

No harm in a learner using a Skyline as long as they have had an appropriate number of lessons and a fully licenced driver with them while driving it.

This is Ireland - how often is that going to happen?

All this misses the point imho - far too many Irish drivers are unsafe at any speed, so their choice of car is hardly relevant.

JohnCleary

Stark wrote:

Maybe he's a named driver in daddy's car.

Maybe the driver just put L-plates up because he know some a$$hole on boards.ie would start a thread about it, knowing it would evolve into a war?!

5500

seamus wrote:

A well known scam by the "Daddy has land" brigade is to tell the insurance company that the skyline has a towbar, and thus insuring it under farm insurance. FBD will do this, for one.

Of course, these morons don't realise that the disc on their windscreen is only fit for wiping their arses with.

Never heard that one before!

It'd be a strange sight seeing a skyline with a hitch on it too!