Advice Required Sport Sub

pgdavy

Hello

I have a customer who wants to subscribe to Art Sports for Premiership football. I am wondering what I need for this;

- What size dish?
- What receiver to supply?
- Where to buy an official Art card?

Thanks in advance for your help,

pgdavy

Paul007

- What size dish? - 80cm
- What receiver to supply? - Technomate 1500+ Super
- Where to buy an official Art card? - £130 Full Art package includes Al Jaz 1+2 for FA cup and Carling Cup matches.
http://www.marconidigital.com/product_info.php?cPath=334&products_id=1263&osCsid=a3803a0a9d9b4c413fc54976a91a2301

Same guy sells them on ebay at cheaper price £115. Bought mine here had no problems.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12-Month-Art-Sports-Cards-full-bouquet-5-6-Al-Jaz_W0QQitemZ320020137660QQihZ011QQcategoryZ60837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Aquos76

Be careful if you are buying the Art/AlJazerra cards now. There are a lot of fake ones in circulation. Art have officially finished stopped doing these cards now and from next week they are reverting back to the activation cards. My supplier of cards turned down these joint cards as there is concerns over the duration of the Al Jazerra sub on the cards.

You would be best advised to go with the normal Art 1-6 card unless you can get some sort of guarantee with them. Many have already bought these joint cards already and chances are that those ones are fine, its just all stocks ran out about 2 weeks ago and when they surfaced again these concerns were raised. It may be all bull, but my supplier refused to take a chance so nor did I.

With regards to Al Jazerra, they do not have English comm with there games and it is not know as of yet which games they will be covering. They may turn out to be the same as the BBC and Sky. And there was no Carling cup games covered by them this week.

smante1972

Unfortunately Aquos, your supplier has not been honest with you.
ARt Sports 1-6 + Al Jazeera Sports 1&2 are in abundance in places like Morocco, Somalia, Algeria and other parts of north Africa.

I know because we are ARt suppliers and get our cards (official cards) from Arabesque main dealers in Morroco and Algeria. There are no problems with the cards and new and future ones would work fine. Arabesque are also not stopping manufacturing of those cards - they were designed predominantly to replace the old "Carte Sports" cards.

The Al-Jazeera part of the card will be broadcasting the FA Cup and Carling Cup games very soon. Audio will always be in Arabic but for less than £200 we believe that its the best card out there

Aquos76

Well, I can only go on the information which I have been given. Can you confirm if they are reverting back to the scratch card system in September. This has been reported throughout the UK also.

So I take it you have these cards in stock as of now then. What price are you charging? If you want to pm me instead of posting it here thats fine.

Thanks for clearing that up. I have also just emailed my supplier what you said so I will await his response. He operates out of Tunisa,

Aquos76

Well I got on to my supplier and here is his response. Makes interesting reading.

Hi,

I would love to speak to this guy. Talking about Algeria , there is one supplier Saada TV which is main distributor of Arabesque and the number in the Card for Algeria is Ababou Company. The confusion with ART cards started with the World Cup. FiFA sold the World Cup rights to most private TV providers around the world , countries like Algeria / Morocco / Tunisia couldn’t afford the bill because people there don’t pay licence TV like we do in UK.

The Algerian government made an arrangement with ART to provide them with cheap options for the people to watch the World Cup.

After the World Cup finished, Arabesque didn’t want to lose their new customers , they opened everything for them to get them use to it. Once they close it which very soon , the people in Algeria will rush to buy top up cards because they wifes and daughters are used to watch their soaps and men football …etc. The issue now is the resellers taking the opportunity to make extra money because they know about English market and month cards opening everything ( Just ask this guy, why ART+Al Jazeera cards include booklet how to top up your cards and ART full package doesn’t even so we all know you can top up all the cards). Another thing once the top up cards are ready. The cards, we have now will go short because ART distributors need to promote the top up cards specially in Algeria , we are talking around 300000 customers + top cards are cheaper and you get more options which package you want ???.

I said there is a lot of confusion with ART+Al Jazeera cards and I will never supply until I get told so (I like to play safe).

I hope this help.

So from that, there is still alot of uncertainty around about these cards. And by the way Somalia is included in Nilesat. North Africa is Algeria , Tunisia and Morocco.

smante1972

Aquos76 I understand your suppliers concern!

The new combined ART / AL Jazeera Cards which are sold all across Europe are guaranteed for 12 months viewing and have been made as "Self activating" cards.

Majority of the cards you will see are made for non EEC countries and all new cards carry the following message at the back:

"This card is strictly intended to be used in the following countries. Algeria,Chad, Libya, Djibouti, Mauritania, Morocco, Somalia, Tunisia. Any use outside of said territory constitutes a criminal act."

ART themselves have stated that "If we receive information our cards are being used illegally in the UK we will immediately switch off such cards"

Nevertheless, there are 1000's of these cards being sold in Europe and all fully guaranteed for 12 months.

The Al Jazeera part of the card will work together with the ART part of the card - AL Jazeera have the rights to screen Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, English FA Cup & English Carling Cup football games. ART have the rights to screen the others including FA Premiership and those in Germany, France etc etc.

Al Jazeera do not only have a joint partnership with ART but they also have it with "Showtime" - a popular entertainment platform especialy in the Middle East available on the Nilesat satellite.

Its no secret that Al Jazeera is still trying to find its feet but with over 850,000 (official) subscribers, they must be doing something right. AL Jazeera is and until we are advised otherwise will continue to be an Arabic channel - meaning all programmes are broadcasted in Arabic.

Al Jazer sports is here to stay - the company is investing heavenly in its infrastructure and currently also working with SIDSA in developing its own CAM which will have the same "viewing model" as the Zeta Blue CAM.

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Now the question of Top Up's

You can "Top Up" your ART Sports card to include the Al Jazeera Sports 1&2 channels. Al Jazeera Cards have alsways had "How to Top Up" details on them. "Top Up" is done electronically and takes around 2 days for the Al Jazeera channels to start showing up. All authorised Arabesque dealers can do this upgrade. However because of FA regulations most dealers are unable to reactivate old cards. "Top Up" cards are very popular in Algeria, Sudan, Egypt & Tunisia

There are indeed fake cards in the market but in reality when you buy something very cheap, you are getting exactly what you pay for. A quick search on the popular forums will give you a list of various companies selling these cards.

A quick list includes :

Mantesat
Totalsat
Creative Satellite
SatCards
MarconiDigital (also trades as SharpPlc on ebay)
Pub Football
LJ Football Online Store

Aquos76

The new combined ART / AL Jazeera Cards which are sold all across Europe are guaranteed for 12 months viewing and have been made as "Self activating" cards. There are a direct replacement for the old Carte Sports cards which still work if you can get your hands on one for a decent price.

From what I am lead to believe, is that they are no longer doing theses cards, and as you rightly posted, the ones that are available are now in very sort supply and more stocks cannot be got of them, other than sellers like yourself who have some in stock

Al Jazeera do not only have a joint partnership with ART but they also have it with "Showtime" - a popular entertainment platform especialy in the Middle East available on the Nilesat satellite.

Again I was lead to believe that they are no longer doing business with one another. And there is no point in us discussing Nilesat as we are on about 13e Hotbird.

Its no secret that Al Jazeera is still trying to find its feet but with over 850,000 (official) subscribers, they must be doing something right. AL Jazeera is and until we are advised otherwise will continue to be an Arabic channel - meaning all programmes are broadcasted in Arabic.

Dont think I disputed this at any stage with you.

Al Jazer sports is here to stay - the company is investing heavenly in its infrastructure and currently also working with SIDSA in developing its own CAM which will have the same "viewing model" as the Zeta Blue CAM.

Actually is this not already happening as I have seen these cams for sale on ebay

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Now the question of Top Up's

You can "Top Up" your ART Sports card to include the Al Jazeera Sports 1&2 channels. Al Jazeera Cards have alsways had "How to Top Up" details on them. "Top Up" is done electronically and takes around 2 days for the Al Jazeera channels to start showing up. All authorised Arabesque dealers can do this upgrade. However because of FA regulations most dealers are unable to reactivate old cards. "Top Up" cards are very popular in Algeria, Sudan, Egypt & Tunisia

Thats something I did not know about, Must check for more info on it.

There are indeed fake cards in the market but in reality when you buy something very cheap, you are getting exactly what you pay for. A quick search on the popular forums will give you a list of various companies selling these cards.

So you now agree with me, I orginally posted to people about this and advised them to be very careful.

There are no problems with the cards and new and future ones would work fine. Arabesque are also not stopping manufacturing of those cards

A quick list includes :

Mantesat- We know you have stocks of them at a good price also.
Totalsat- Available on website but stock levels unknown.
Creative Satellite - Available on his website but stock levels unknown.
SatCards- Does not have the combined card on his website no more
MarconiDigital (also trades as SharpPlc on ebay) I have actually bought some from him earlier this summer and can reccommend him highly but his price has increased drastically.
Pub Football No mention of which card is for £199
LJ Football Online Store - Can no longer get stocks of conbined cards, Spoke to Kevin this morning, and he also comfirmed that these cards are no longer being produced.

smante1972

Aquos76 lets wrap this up

You are right - I made a phone call to dealers in Sudan & Djibouti for their unbais advise and the combined card will be changed soon.

Nevertheless all existing cards are guaranteed for 12 months and will provide 8sports channels + movies , documentaries etc.

In summary, be careful when you buy any ART card and normally stick with companies who have been refered by others.

The combined ART / Al Jazeera cards are in very short supply especially in Europe - Get your hands on one if you can as in my opinion for less than £200its still a steal.

We are currently being supplied with these cards once a week and have several in stock competively priced at £125 whilst stocks last (Free delivery UK & Ireland). All fully guaranteed for 12 months, sealed and purchased from an authorised ART dealer.

Aquos76

Not a problem and good luck with your sales. At that price I may purchase some from you myself.

Pal

I wouldn't be a buyer of a zeta cam claiming to do anything.

Look at what happened to the fullx channels. They were 'official' subs. Just disappeared one day. No explanations.

Aquos76

Pal wrote:

I wouldn't be a buyer of a zeta cam claiming to do anything.

Look at what happened to the fullx channels. They were 'official' subs. Just disappeared one day. No explanations.

Would be in total agreement with you on that Pal.

smante1972

no worries Aquos - whenever you need any just contact (details on our website).
I gree on that point about ZetaCams - as the famous saying goes "once bitten - twice shy"

smante1972

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Aquos76

Looks like my concerns were well justified, considering the events of Wednesday night, where thousands of 12 month Art Sport cards were switched off.

ricey

Ok so were will a man get a art card that will work? Im just about to set up
my dish and now im pissed cuz i aint got a clue were to get a card that will work.

Aquos76

Yeah, there are plenty of perfect working cards out there. None of the ones I supplied this season have been affected nor those of many other suppliers over in the UK.

Pal

ricey wrote:

Ok so were will a man get a art card that will work? Im just about to set up
my dish and now im pissed cuz i aint got a clue were to get a card that will work.

I got mine from Aquos here on the board.

Official sealed card.
Works perfect.
Very good price.
Fast delivery.

Will be back next year.

nowthennowthen

lookin for a bit of help meself, i have an 80cm dish and a pace sky digibox. but im looking to get an art card. from readin this i reckon i need a technomate 1500+super and the art card with art 1-6 and al jazerra 1+2. Is there anything else i need? got a price for the receiver about €130 and the card is about £115 sterling from marconidigital. is there any point getting a motor with it? will the tm1500 read the card or will it have to be activated before i get it? hope someone can give me sum advice on it, thanks

Aquos76

First off, welcome to Boards, and I'm glad that you have taken the time to read through the threads before posting your questions.

There are many different receivers available can be used for Art Sport, but I guess you are correct about the Technomate. Im my opinion it is one of the best supported receivers available at the moment. An Art card will work in the card slot without the need to purchase an additional cam.

With regards to your prices. The €130 seems excellent value for the TM1500CI, Is this price from Ebay and has postage to be added to it?

The Art cards have dropped again in price and there are a few guys selling 12month Art/Aljazzera cards for £99 and these are fully guaranteed cards.

Regarding activating the card, well once its inserted in to the receiver, the 12 months counts down.

The motor, is purely preferences and what satellites you are looking to get. If footy is your main interest, I think all your needs will be catered for with both Art and Al Jazzera. Take look in my sign for up and coming fixtures on Art.

nowthennowthen

thanks for the help. you're right about the tm1500ci, its about €160 incl the postage from ebay. the card is £115 sterling incl postage. I was just wonderin if you had to have the motor. didnt want to buy the receiver and card and find i had to shell out more for something else i would need for it to work. would you get a lot more stations using the motor and are they hard to install? are ther any problems with using th 80cm dish from ireland to pick up art? is there many la liga games shown on al jazeera?

watty

A motor is harder than dish on its own
You don't need it for Art, but it lets you access over 20 sattelite with free TV, inc Turky, Greece, Spain Astra19, Hotbird (Art) and "Sky" Astra2/Eurobird 28.2E

mjsmyth

Aquos,

Can you recommend a supllier of the Art card @ £99? If need be, you could PM the info.

At that price it is very very attractive.

Also,do you know if it would work with a Matrix Revolutions card?

Thanks,

mJ

watty

Yes PMs only.

Aquos76

No problem Watty.

PM sent

nowthennowthen

is the technomate tms 1500 ci+ any diferent or better than the technomate tm 1500 ci+?

Aquos76

As far as I know the TMS 1500ci+ replaced the TM 1500ci+super. I am assuming the "TMS" stands for Technomate Super.

There was a previous model, a TM-1500ci+ which did not have the term "super" attached. The difference with that model was where the speed of the Blind scan took way longer to finish than what it would do with the "super" model

jordie

what other channels are available is there anything worth while?

nowthennowthen

are there any champions lleague games with the art sports and al jazeera channels? are there many la liga games on it?

Aquos76

nowthennowthen wrote:

are there any champions lleague games with the art sports and al jazeera channels? are there many la liga games on it?

Have you not ordered one yet. How many more questions do you want answered?:D

Art do cover 4/5 Champions League games each night but none of them carry English Comm. Al Jazeera does cover the Spanish league with 3/4 games each weekend all in Arabic.

Aquos76

jordie wrote:

what other channels are available is there anything worth while?

Art sports cards are mainly only beneficial for Soccer. If you are after a variety of channels, you could look at a Digital Alb card on 16E. Plenty of Movie, Footy, and porn channels to choose from there.

nowthennowthen

im picking up an offical art card today, just wanted to be sure before spending me hard earned cash:) im a complete novice at all this, hence the 4 million questions. should get me technomate tms 1500 ci+ by the end of next week. art card €180 and technomate was €110. then the attempt to set it up. thanks for the help so far

Aquos76

I'd say your prices are wrong. I'd love to know where you are going to get a Technomate for €110. And a €180 for an art card are you sure?

Pal

Can I get Eurosport on an ART card ?

nowthennowthen

i have a technomate tms 1500 ci+, it was delivered this morning i paid €110 for it, new, got it on ebay. got the art card from a mate of mine that used to work in a satelite company. done me a massive favour. collected it yesterday from the shop. the lad in the shop said i can bring it back if the is any hassle with it. they normally sell them for €250. goin to have a bash at setting it up tomorrow. will let you know if it works

watty

You can get Eurosport in German free. if there was Eurosport on Art (don't think so), there's no reason to suppose it would be British Eurosport.

Aquos76

nowthennowthen wrote:

i have a technomate tms 1500 ci+, it was delivered this morning i paid €110 for it, new, got it on ebay. got the art card from a mate of mine that used to work in a satelite company. done me a massive favour. collected it yesterday from the shop. the lad in the shop said i can bring it back if the is any hassle with it. they normally sell them for €250. goin to have a bash at setting it up tomorrow. will let you know if it works

Can you pm the link to where you got that technomate for €110 delivered to Ireland.

you're right about the tm1500ci, its about €160 incl the postage from ebay

Thats an unbelievable price. When I do a search on ebay I cant get anywhere near that price.


http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&satitle=technomate+satellite+receivers&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Postcode&ga10244=10425&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=

To be honest €180 is alot more that the card would have cost you on ebay or even from the guy I pm you about.

Aquos76

Pal wrote:

Can I get Eurosport on an ART card ?

Sorry Pal, not on the Art package.

nowthennowthen

I got it on ebay two days ago it was new and unused from a person selling it on ebay rather than from a shop. Couldnt believe it meself when i saw it. it was a 7 day listing and nobody bid on it. the starting bid was €100. i bid on it with 5 mins left. €100.50 was my winning bid. €7 postage. the link now just says that i had the winning bid on it for €100. the price i was getting from your fella was working out €161 and that seems to be the cheapest price you can get once its converted from sterling. so rather than wait to get it posted i just got that one from my mate. I got the card for €180 so its only €19 euro in the difference but at least i have somewhere i can walk back into the place with the card if im having any problems

Aquos76

Thanks for the link. You certainly got some deal there. I should really check out the .ie version of ebay more often.

nowthennowthen

got everything setup yesterday, thanks for the help people. Man, there is a savage amount of football on art and al jazeera. from early yesterday to about 11 o clock last night, just football. first english premier league then italian, then la liga. thought i was going to see some footie but not this many games.Quality.:D

nowthennowthen

when i setup the technomate with the art card i went into the install settings and did an autoscan of channels on hotbird. what will happen if i do a blind scan now? will i lose favourites? will it rescan all my channels on hotbird? what kind of motor would you use with a technomate, art card and an 80cm dish?

yop

It is great all the sport alright,
I have a very similar setup as yourself.
I got a 90cm dish, Technomate 1500 CI Super, Technomate motor, wall bracket, cable, patching cable and delivery to Ireland for 370 euro.
I got an art card for 89 pounds.

I got only got French Eurosport and have not managed to setup my motor yet but with the Al Jazzera and Art I get a bucket of sport

watty

Motek motor is fine.

nowthennowthen

yop thats a decent price for everything. can you tell me where u got them for that price? my brother is looking to get the same setup. maybe you cud pm it to me. how does that blind scan work? should i have done it before i done an autoscan on hotbird?