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Self Publishing

  • 22-08-2006 3:28pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18


    Hi All,
    I was wondering if anyone has considered self-publishing and, if so, what they consider to be the pros and cons of going down this route?
    Also, does anyone have any experience of print-on-demand publishing houses?
    I came across a website, www.authorhouse.co.uk, which outlines the process.


    Thanks


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18 itsAboy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,095 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Hi Finn1,
    Self publishing is also called vanity publishing. It is well named if you think about it. Any printer will take your money and your manuscript and turn it into a book for you. The catch is what you do next. You have a stack of books, you sell a few to your family and friends. You go into your local book shops and they either turn you down or say they will take a few 'sale or return' (your risk - if they are thieved or damaged its your problem). Beyond your local town, if you can afford to travel around the country, the best you will get is sale or return. Some of the self publishing companies may make vague promises about distributing your book, but they have made their money when they send you the samples, don't hold your breath!

    The only exception to this is if you are an authority or expert producing (say) a local history or local interest book or a book of very specific interest to a particular group with whom you have extensive contacts. And if this is the case and is what you want to do, a local printer would produce and print a book for you, and you would have more control over the process. You would still have to distribute it though. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 FINN1


    Thanks for the words of warning - much appreciated!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭arynne


    I have a finished novel rejected now by three Irish publishers -- Penguin, New Island and Currach. And yet they all said it was a great story. Irish publishers are afraid of new novelists. I'm getting a bit dishartened and tempted to go the Lulu route. But am I right in thinking that self-publishers are a bit pathetic and that real writers would never do this? I'd like to hear other's opinions. Thanks.

    AR


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Antilles


    arynne wrote: »
    I have a finished novel rejected now by three Irish publishers -- Penguin, New Island and Currach. And yet they all said it was a great story. Irish publishers are afraid of new novelists. I'm getting a bit dishartened and tempted to go the Lulu route. But am I right in thinking that self-publishers are a bit pathetic and that real writers would never do this? I'd like to hear other's opinions.

    Hi OP, don't give up! Listen to the rejections you have got. If the publication houses said it was a great story, then even allowing for politeness, it can't be half bad. According to (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/12/60minutes/main558428.shtml), 4 or 5 publishers rejected JK Rowling before one finally accepted Harry Potter, and look how well that's regarded now. If I were you I'd keep on trying that route.

    Going to a place like Lulu would be a last resort for me. Some authors can go this route successfully - Wil Wheaton self publishes and has had a lot of success, but the vast majority of those using these services are people who can't write well enough to sell their book, and just want to see their name on a book on a shelf.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 80 ✭✭Madou


    Jeez, the whole "Rowling got refused, don't get disheartened" thing is getting old (sorry Antilles) - but yeah, it tells a story in itself.

    Arynne, if what you've written is of worth, it'll be seen asuch, one day...:o Just keep writing, stay creative, and keep throwing things at publishers.

    Self publishing = dodge IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭arynne


    Yes people. Thanks very much for wake up call. You are right, I'll keep going. By the way the people at www.writersworkshop.co.uk I have found are very helpful and genuine. Thanks again.

    A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Montallie


    Self-Publishing is not the same as Vanity Publishing at all. Those who self-publish may do it partly out of vanity, but POD companies do not prey on their vanity the way so-called Vanity Publishers do.

    Most self-publishers do so not out of vanity but because they have written a book they want others to see: they have a genuine desire to share a message, to impart information, or to tell a story. But agents and editors are so inundated nowadays with books that they can only examine a tiny proportion of these, and an even smaller proportion of these is published by traditional publishers. Self-publishing provides a way out of this cul-de-sac.

    There is no reason that a self-publisher can't make a success of his/her venture if the following steps are taken:

    Be a reader - all the best writers are voracious readers.

    If your book is nonfiction, make it as clearly-written and easy to navigate as possible. Use inviting chapter headings that show the reader the value of what you are offering.

    If your book is fiction, make the start as interesting as possible, fill the middle with well-wrought, likeable characters who have certain rising obstacles to overcome before the climax in which their various dilemmas are resolved one way or another (not necessarily completely happily), finish each chapter with a hook (think those old black-and-white serial movies), and provide a satisfying, memorable ending to round off the story.

    Read up as much as possible on self-publishing. Two excellent books to start with are: What do I have to do to get a book published! by Jo Anthony (with a comprehensive round-up of the various reputable POD companies), but there are many more, as well as articles and columns on self-publishing in writers' magazines and an immensely helpful self-publishing Yahoo group you can join - (http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Self-Publishing/)

    Test your embryonic story/narrative out on as many different people as possible (market research), pay attention to what you are told by them and fix any problems they have pointed out.

    Make your book as error-free as possible in all aspects - grammar, spelling, typing, etc.

    Get the text laid out by a professional, unless you have real skills in this area (the cost is not as much as you may have been led to believe).

    If you need pictures (i.e., for a children's story), try to get this done professionally also - there are many graphic artists who will work for a very reasonable cost.

    Have at least three competent (regular readers who can spell and recognise grammatical and other text errors) people do a final edit of your book before you get it printed.

    The real work comes with the marketing, but all first-time authors have to do a certain amount of marketing, anyway, even if traditionally-published. Once again, the self-publishing books are founts of information on this aspect of the enterprise.

    Arrange to have your book printed by a POD (print-on-demand) house after thoroughly checking out the virtues and drawbacks of each one, or arrange to set up as a small press yourself, buying your own ISBN numbers and getting quotations from small-run printers.

    Some of the advantages of self-publishing over being traditionally published are:

    You have complete control over your own product - design, illustrations, cover, time-frame, etc.

    You can sell it for as long as you like (traditional publishing houses backlist after one or two seasons)

    If the book is a goer, much more of the sales' money will be yours than would be the case if published by someone else


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Antilles


    Madou wrote: »
    Jeez, the whole "Rowling got refused, don't get disheartened" thing is getting old (sorry Antilles) - but yeah, it tells a story in itself.

    No problem, Madou. I was just told about Rowling a little while back so its still fresh in my mind. I'm sure there are hundreds of successful authors with similar stories, I'm just unaware of them :)

    Glad to hear you're not giving up, OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭MikeC101


    As far as I'm aware Authorhouse a scam outfit along the lines of PublishAmerica - run, run, run away! Vanity publishing at it's worst.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Fatboydim


    The cons I would say are that no one really takes self publishers that seriously. There are exceptions I'm sure. Sometimes if you are writing for a particular market - New Age - as an example - It might not matter.

    Publishers themselves take a risk every time they commit to an author. Tey usually have all the marketing and distribution sorted out, but that still may not make the book sell well. these are the people you will be competing against with your limited knowledge and resources.

    If you spend a considerable amount of time and money on your book and it's all for very little reward, would that bother you?

    If the answer is no then maybe self publishing is for you.

    However if the book is good enough to be published then have faith in it and continue to try for representation and publishing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Livvie


    arynne wrote: »
    I have a finished novel rejected now by three Irish publishers -- Penguin, New Island and Currach. And yet they all said it was a great story. Irish publishers are afraid of new novelists. I'm getting a bit dishartened and tempted to go the Lulu route. But am I right in thinking that self-publishers are a bit pathetic and that real writers would never do this? I'd like to hear other's opinions. Thanks.

    AR

    Congratulations on getting rejection slips that complimented your story...that would inspire me to try other publishers. Maybe from the UK, or even America?

    Did they give any reason as to why it was rejected? Maybe it was too long, or too short?

    Don't give up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭arynne


    Thanks Livvie for encurraging words. Yes, my dialogue was not good but I have fixt it to a great extent. Have now decided, as a final push, to send it to Writers Workshop.co.uk for Publishing Review. This will cost 450 euro but I think it will be worth it. Lets see.
    A


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭Frankiestylee


    I would look at self publishing as a last resort, yet to some degree my band has done it with music and it has been successful, so, I don't know why I've drawn such a line in my head.
    I guess it's not really the publishing itself but the distribution, advertising etc required. A band can play a gig, a writer can't easily have the same effect with a reading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Livvie


    Most new authors are advised to find an agent rather than go directly to a publisher.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭Frankiestylee


    Some sage advice, I think it was from Neil Gaiman's blog, went a bit like "any agent that takes you on without a publisher is not the type of agent you need". Believe the man himself didn't bother with an agent til 5 or 7 books down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭MrPirate


    OP and other writers, a friend of mine gave me a link that I found very very useful! http://www.blurb.com/
    Basically, you download their program, you select what kind of book you want (size, etc) and then you can import/write the story/book itself into the size and type of book that you want. Once you have that done, you send the file to the publisher people, and they send you copies of the book. The different sizes cost different amounts, but the glory of it all is you still own all rights of your book. And then you can sell your books on through bookshops, etc. I intend to use it for what I'm currently writing atm.
    Hope that helped! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Fatboydim


    arynne wrote: »
    But am I right in thinking that self-publishers are a bit pathetic and that real writers would never do this?

    AR

    Yes you are right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭bigmoma22


    Has anyone in Ireland tried to self publish a book? Would love to know more about it...


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    No experience of it myself, but there were a few discussions on it previously.
    Here
    Here
    Here

    Mostly negative responses from what I can see.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    The teacher on my UCD writing course has just self-published her eighth book, after using commercial publishers for the other seven. She said she has already make a much bigger profit on this one. BUT, she's had to devote the last 18 months to getting it professionally edited, properly typeset, cover design, getting independent reviews, printing, warehousing, distribution, getting it into major book chains and onto websites like Amazon and Bookdepository. In spite of the higher profit, she said she would not do it again.

    A woman in the class had self published a novel and brought it in to show us. It was terrible. The typesetting was all over the place, with punctuation marks sprinkled randomly throughout the text. Very few of the full stops landed at the end of sentences. Even reading one page showed the lack of editing. Seriously, no-one but close friends or family would buy it.

    Rather than self-publishing, you might want to consider electronic publishing. Many well known writers cut their teeth in e-pubs before going on to the big league.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    It is possible to get just a few copies printed and bound, to test the market etc. and then make amendments before going on to print more.
    In my line of work I regularly come into contact with self-publishers and while they seem enjoy the whole process I'm sure there are many
    other authors that would prefer to hand all of their work over to an established publisher so they can focus on the creative aspects,
    but this obviously isn't as simple as it sounds. Personally (if I was a writer) I would self publish while still approaching publishers - if
    your book is selling already (even in small quantities) I'd imagine it would be more attractive them.

    I suppose it depends on how much work you are prepared to do yourself and, of course, the content and potential market of your book.

    Best of luck with it whatever you decide to do. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 mayasky


    Just wanted to ask a question here, Getting a publisher is great, but you could argue that books are going to go the way of the music industry where new 'acts' are discovered online.

    I just think that if you can get your book out there in some way online is way better than sitting with rejection letter after rejection letter waiting in the wings with no-one reading your work.

    You don't have to pay to get your work read. You can go the e-book route or try a POD printer, if you retain control over the work then you can always have a publisher if you get the attention later on. I would check the T's&C's and find one who leaves control of the book entirely in your hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    It's possible, but hellishly expensive. And it's not a good way to test the market, since you are going to approach people you know, and who will be inclined to take your book because they like you, not because they are panting to read the book.

    In order not to make a huge loss, never mind a profit, you need to be selling a lot of books to strangers. This means, at the very least, that one room of your house will turn into a warehouse, and you are going to be slogging round shops trying to get them to stock and promote your book. You will need to get out there and dredge up publicity anywhere you can, and spend a huge amount of time on promotion.

    This is the sort of thing that publishers do automatically (though it always helps if you can do your own publicity).

    I think electronic publishing is a much more viable alternative. It's easier to get an e-publisher to take a chance on you, as they are not going to incur €100,000 of costs before they make a single sale, and you get a much higher percentage of the sale price.

    Justin, how much would you be prepared to spend to self-publish a book while you are waiting for a response from a publisher?

    Also, timing is a factor. By the time you edit and print your self-published book, your manuscript had got older. No publisher wants a book which has been going the rounds for a long time, and possibly being rejected by other publishers. Each publisher wants to feel that you have approached them first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    EileenG wrote: »

    Justin, how much would you be prepared to spend to self-publish a book while you are waiting for a response from a publisher?

    I don't know really, as I mentioned above I'm not a writer - I definitely process all of my thoughts on the left side of my brain, and with that in mind (sorry) I'd take a Dragon's Den approach and print 100 or more 'prototypes' to present to both publishers and shops.
    I would prefer to establish at this stage whether my book is something people would like to read or simply something I enjoyed writing (vanity publishing on the other hand can't tell the difference...but that's another story).

    Positive feedback would then let me know where I stand and leave me with the choice to carry on but with larger print quantities or focus on getting published with and established publisher - you're not restricted to self publishing just because you chose to begin selling your book this way.

    The real cost is, as you say, in your time invested in making contacts and marketing your book but I would never invest more time or money than I could afford to comfortably lose, which leads me to the question; how many authors on here have spent many weeks and months promoting their work to publishers to eventually give up? Harsh as it may sound, if your book is simply not quite as captivating as you had imagined would you carry on waiting weeks or months for each in a series of rejection letters? Or take the pro-active approach and get out and try to sell it yourself, with almost instant feedback?

    Anyway (for the last time) I'm not a writer but am involved in the process so would like to hear the views of authors, whether they are published, self published or simply busy writing. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭WHU


    I read somewhere that it is never a good idea to give a publisher a self published book, apparently they will not like the idea.
    There are many companies out there that offer a range of services. I have had no dealings with any myself and I am unsure about posting links here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    JustinOval wrote: »
    I don't know really, as I mentioned above I'm not a writer - I definitely process all of my thoughts on the left side of my brain, and with that in mind (sorry) I'd take a Dragon's Den approach and print 100 or more 'prototypes' to present to both publishers and shops.
    I would prefer to establish at this stage whether my book is something people would like to read or simply something I enjoyed writing (vanity publishing on the other hand can't tell the difference...but that's another story).

    I honestly don't think this is a good way to do it, simply because you almost certainly know 100 people who would seek out and buy your book, just because they like you. The big question is, how many total strangers would buy it?

    Also, printing 100 copies is likely to cost you a lot more money than you could possibly expect to charge. You are likely to take a loss of at least €1000 just on those books, and that's assuming you do sell them all.

    If you wanted to establish whether people would read your book, why not publish it on something like Smashwords.com, and see how many people would buy it? I think there is even a feature there where you can let the customer decide how much the book is worth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    I'd be interested to see how you have worked out the costs and estimated losses on this - have you factored in advertising and promotion to hit a loss of €1000? I do understand what you say about friends/family messing with your statistics but if I thought I could sell 100 books by association alone, I would write one. :D

    I just had a quick look at Smashwords, do people really pay up to traditional book retail prices for a PDF/ e-book? (clearly some do...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Miranda7


    Arynne, most writers have received a lot more than three rejections for novels and I could be wrong but I think that JK was rejected by more than 3 publishers. I would keep sending it out - particularly if you have taken on board the comments from the publishers. There are more than 3 publishers in Ireland and maybe publishers from other countries would be interested. Keep writing and keep sending your work out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    No, I was just working on basic printing and binding costs for that. Advertising etc would cost a lot more. And that's assuming you are competent to do your own editing and don't have to pay someone else to do it.

    If you look at Amazon, you'll see people pay close to the same price to download an e-book as they do for a paper one. The difference is getting it right away, and no postage costs.

    A friend of mine has published her mother's memoirs as an e-book and is selling it as a download through Amazon. She's very happy with sales, and doesn't have to take time away from nursing her mother to try to sell the book.

    Mind you, a lot of Smashwords books are going very cheap, and some are free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    That's interesting, e-books are not something that would appeal to me personally as I'd much prefer to have a real book in my hand, but some of the cheaper downloads could be tempting.. initially I saw a few for around $12 which put me on the wrong track.

    I should come clean and admit I do know in minute detail the costs involved in producing books but it's good to hear from writers and their thoughts on the matter, and the whole process. Thanks. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    I like real books too, but if it's a choice between e-publishing or having to do it myself, I'll definitely go the e-pub route.

    Besides, I'd like think I haven't hit my peak, and that subsequent books will be better than the ones I'm doing now, so if I can make any sort of reasonable sales on e-pubs, that's a big selling point when approaching a paper publisher with a new book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    Do e-books present the same issues as MP3s, can they be copied and distributed illegally in the same way? Are they just PDFs or do they require special software to view? I really know nothing about them....
    It does seem to be the fastest and cheapest method to get your work out there.

    For anyone still interested in self publishing I spotted news of conference later in the year, details here -

    http://eoinpurcellsblog.com/2010/02/27/introducing-the-one-stop-self-publishing-conference-16th-october-2010/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭dawvee


    Ebooks are generally special formats with DRM encryption to prevent unauthorised copying. Like any DRM though, it can always be cracked by anyone determined enough.

    Another difficulty is competing formats. Not all ebook formats will work with all ebook reader software and devices, particularly if the DRM encryption needs to be licensed in some way. Some encryption schemes are proprietary to a single vendor, like the Kindle DRM. If you want your book available for these devices/software, you're going to need to enter into a contract with that vendor specifically.

    All told, ebooks are still a relatively small market, but devices like the Kindle and now the iPad look set to change that in a big way, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    Smashwords say they only publish non-DRM files..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ramsmobile


    I've been through the self-publishing process, having launched my own book in Summer 2008 (www.lordoftherams.com). The biggest inhibitor to self-publishing (in my opinion) is the costs. It's expensive and, almost two years after launching my book, I have yet to break even (and my book has sold reasonably well by Irish standards) but I am confident I will get there some day :-) And I must admit, I did make a few bad financial decisions, which added substantially to my costs (purchased too much stock, spent too much money on questionable marketing initiatives, etc.).

    Pros:
    • Allows the author total control of the book - cover design, content, marketing, book launch, etc.
    • Can be very rewarding - everything that you achieve is down to you and the hard work you put into it.
    • Fantastic learning experience - you will learn a huge amount about marketing, dealing with the press, sales, etc.
    Cons:
    • Very expensive
    • Distribution can be tricky. You will need to approach shops directly to stock your book. And if the books don't sell, you will be left with a bunch of seconds that you can't sell - more expense. Selling via Amazon and other online book chains will cut your royalties to 1 euro a book (if you're lucky). Your best chance of success is through selling directly to your customers (so make sure you have a good website and a presence on Facebook).
    • You will need to work very hard to make every sale (after you've exhausted your supply of friends and family sales). You will need to keep coming up with new ways to garner sales - new marketing twists, fresh press reviews, etc.
    • Time spent marketing the book will mean less time available to write.
    Overall, I can see that self-publishing certainly isn't for everyone. The most important thing I will say is don't do it if you're using money you can ill afford to lose. If you can afford it, then it's certainly worth considering.

    Although I have made plenty of mistakes along the way, it has been a great learning experience and one of the most rewarding things I've ever done.

    Best of luck, whatever you decide to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Funky_Corsa


    Not sure if this is the right place to ask so feel free to move it. I am helping someone who is publishing their own book, it is not a novel it is more aimed at sports coaches. The book is designed and ready for print but there are a few little things that need to be resolved.

    1. How to get a barcode for the book? Who is responsible for this and is there any cost involved?

    2. How to get an ISBN number? Who is responsible for this and is there any cost involved?

    Also one other thing, does anybody know much about Google Books? Can they take any book and put it on their site or are there copyright issues?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭bigmoma22


    Hello everyone,

    I will self publish the kiddies book and do some activities in the local school. I wish to donate part of the profits, probably half to the local school. Found a very decent printer and was highly recommended.

    Big question now: do I need to register as a business or publishing house? I understand that as an artist I have to keep record of sales and submit this to the revenue to get exempt from tax. Is there a specified income range or would everyone have to do it when seling an artwork?
    I will print the first run, hopefully not the last, without the ISBN to save money, as it won't go on sale to bookshops.

    Thank you all, in advance, for your comments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Eoinp


    Not sure if this is the right place to ask so feel free to move it. I am helping someone who is publishing their own book, it is not a novel it is more aimed at sports coaches. The book is designed and ready for print but there are a few little things that need to be resolved.

    1. How to get a barcode for the book? Who is responsible for this and is there any cost involved?

    2. How to get an ISBN number? Who is responsible for this and is there any cost involved?

    Also one other thing, does anybody know much about Google Books? Can they take any book and put it on their site or are there copyright issues?

    Thanks
    Barcodes are generally based on the isbn and can be generated using free or paid for software tools. Most printers will be able to doit for you too.

    ISBNS are supplied by Nielsen for a fee (http://www.isbn.nielsenbook.co.uk/controller.php?page=121).

    Google books generally allow you to upload a pdf of the book, you make the decisions about what gets displayed and therefore control copyright (if you have an account in the partner program).
    Eoin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Montallie


    Of course self-publishers are not all pathetic. Everyone would like to be snapped up by a traditional publisher, but this is quite impossible nowadays with the number of people writing and trying to get an agent or publisher interested in their books (it's estimated that over 8 million in the States are writing novels).

    Besides, going the traditional route is not so wonderful, either. Only a handful of writers become well-known this way - the others are backlisted pretty quickly and never heard of again. By self-publishing you have control of your jacket art and, if your book should take off, you will get much more of the proceeds.

    One of the main problems with publishing your own book is that you also have to market it. Actually, so do those writers who are traditionally published, but they have the backing of publishers who are probably well known enough to get them radio and TV slots and newspaper interviews or reviews. Many of the large retail shops like Eason's won't take your book unless you can show that you have a marketing strategy in place, so you need to study how to do this while you are finishing the editing of your book. There are plenty of books on guerrilla marketing in the shops or on Amazon.

    The main reason that self-publishers have been until recently regarded as second-class citizens in the writer's world is that their books are often very poorly edited, with grammatical and spelling errors as well as bad construction. So when you have your book as good as you think you can get it, you need to run it not just by those of your friends who are readers and well-educated enough to know when something is grammatically wrong, but you should also have a professional editor look at it - there are many writers' services available now both online and in the real world.

    Finally, before you go the Lulu or other POD (print-on-demand) route, you should be sure to buy your own set of ten ISBN numbers (plenty of info on the net about this, too), rather than using one provided by the POD. Retailers or distributing companies are far more likely to take your book then.

    There is an excellent self-publishing Yahoo group (heavily weighted towards the American market, but with plenty of useful info for those of us this side of the ocean). By reading through its archives and studying up as much as you can about publishing your book before setting out to do so, you will avoid making some basic mistakes and will find your venture is far more likely to be successful.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Fatboydim wrote: »
    Yes you are right.

    Yeah, it's not like Booker prize winning Roddy Doyle would do such a thing. No, no wait........................:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 RickBockwinkle


    I've been looking into the possibility of self-publishing some work, and there are a few different companies that offer self-publishing services, Lulu.com and originalwriting.ie being the biggest ones I've seen.

    I was wondering if anyone here has used any of these, what their experiences were with them, or have any general tips for self-publishing.

    Thanks.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    There are a number of threads on this. Look back a few pages or search for 'lulu' 'self-publishing' and you should find a good bit of info.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 the history press ireland


    Just on the point of local history being suited to self-publishing, it sometimes is, but there are publishers, such as ourselves, that do look at publishing local history in the traditional way. We are always looking to speak to people who might like to write a book for one of our series, and there are no costs. We pay the authors.

    In terms of self-publishing, there are good and bad ways to do it also. One good resource is www.saltwater.ie, who properly edit and design the books, and don't just print them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    If you have a niche book and are willing to spend a lot of time and effort marketing and distributing it, then self-publishing could be an option. However, it takes a lot of time and effort, and you really need to hire a professional editor to whip your book into shape. Everyone I've seen who did it themselves regretted it.

    You MUST be prepared to work at marketing and distribution. Lulu.com is on record as saying that the average print run for their books is 50. You hear about the people like Roddy Doyle who self-published and made it big, you never hear about the thousands who did it and made an expensive and embarrassing mistake. Bear in mind that all your friends and relatives will not buy it, they'll either expect free copies or won't be that interested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    I just had a quick look at some of the books available from Authorhouse.co.uk and read some of the previews - presumably the very best, most enticing bits of the book.

    Here's a sample:

    A Touch of Immortality
    A Novel By Vivian Ditzler

    When I woke up from this nightmare Ethan was sitting next to me. I tried to sit straight on my bed. “Are you feeling better,” Ethan, asked me. “Yeah, what happened to me?” I was confused still didn’t remember how I got sick. “You were so pale like a piece of paper and collapsed in the library.” “The last thing I remember you left with Alex and this man appeared from nowhere. I must have said something rude, because he was furious, I think I saw you again and that’s that.” I was lost in thoughts trying to remember my conversation with this stranger. “Who was he, do you remember his name?” “I don’t know, I think he mentioned his name but I forgot.” “Why am I feeling so drained, so exhausted?” “You lost consciousness Nadya, maybe a low blood sugar. That’s what your mother said,” Ethan touched my hand. “What time is it, for how long have I been sleeping?” I panicked; my God it looks dark outside has Ethan being here with me watching me sleeping, I must look terrible. “It’s almost six, you’ve been sleeping for hours,” Ethan squeezed my hand not so hard but firm enough. “It is that late!” “Now that you’re up I’ll better go. Alex is downstairs devouring your kitchen; your mom’s cooking is really good.” “Ethan… Thanks, I can’t explain what happen but I’m glad you were there.” “Yes, me too,” he kissed my hand, I felt my blood rushing through my face concentrating in my cheeks, he smiled noticing I blushed. “See you later Nadya, I’ll be back tomorrow to check on you.” Later that night I wanted to finish with the notes from my Social Studies report. I’m shocked staring at my last words, I remember writing something seconds after I noticed the presence of that strange man at the library. I wrote with a hint of chill in my handwriting. “He is a VAMPIRE, Run Away Nadya”. The word VAMPIRE was stamped in my head I looked at it thunderstruck.

    They are charging £17.40 sterling for this book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    Here's another one

    The Educated Heart
    By Janet Logan


    The housekeeper was out food shopping and Donna was napping. Bobbie, in the kitchen sipping a cup of herbal tea, grabbed the phone before it rang a second time and woke up her mother.

    “Hello?”

    “I say, who’s this?” asked a deep, dark-chocolate voice.

    “I live here. I think you’d better rephrase your question.”

    “Oh, sorry, that sounded frightfully rude, didn’t it?”

    Her ear picked up on the British inflection. “If that was your question, I guess I’d have to agree.”

    A rumbling laugh, like French roast coffee in a percolator, tickled Bobbie’s ear.

    “May we begin again? Good afternoon! Norman Stone here.”

    Bobbie was smiling; his laughter was infectious. “And I’m Roberta Bloom.”

    “It’s entirely possible I dialed a wrong number, Miss Bloom. I was trying to reach Mrs. Gross, Mrs. Benjamin Gross.”

    Bobbie was beginning to enjoy this conversation. The owner of the magnificent voice must be a member of the Stone family Ben had mentioned. Their conversation thus far had created a delightful sensation just north of her knees.

    “Mrs. Gross is my mother. She suffered a heart attack last week, and….”

    “A heart attack!”

    “Yes. She received a report that I had died,” Bobbie explained.

    “Obviously a bit of an exaggeration,” Norman interjected.

    Bobbie decided to ignore the wisecrack. “She just got home from the hospital yesterday. She’s taking a nap right now, but I can have her call you later.”

    “My parents are hosting a seder next Friday evening, you see, and my mum asked me to call Mrs. Gross and find out whether their daughter will be able to attend.”

    “Actually, there’re two daughters¾his and hers.”

    Norman Stone chuckled.

    “I know Michelle Gross, but I don’t believe we’ve met, Roberta. I say, will your mum be well enough to attend the seder?”

    “She predicts very confidently that she will be there because she bought a new dress several weeks ago for the occasion.”

    Norman’s laughter percolated again.

    “I’ll tell my mum to expect all four of you. Are you as lovely as your voice?”

    Smothering a smile, Bobbie cradled the phone next to her ear.

    “Even lovelier, except for the glass eye and the five missing teeth.”

    “Indeed! You sound like my kind of woman.”



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    Perfect Bound Softcover(B/W)
    Price: £7.20
    Dust Jacket Hardcover(B/W)
    Price: £12.60


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    Friend or Fae
    By Hannah Blatchford

    "I had come back to the place I started from, back to the memory of when things were bright and the future stretched before me like some great and glorious adventure. Back to when things made sense, when badness was just an idea, a nightmare dispelled with the coming dawn. Home had been for the longest time a vision in my head, one of simple goodness, proof against everything that went to bad and then worse. I could go on, no matter what as long as it was there waiting for me. My strength, my salvation.
    As always I got it all so hopelessly wrong.
    The house was still there, the rooms barely changed. The trees down the drive just a little bit taller, thicker. The house was still there all right, but not the home.
    That had been the dream all along, dying at last with my mother.
    Still it made no difference in the end though, either way. Some things you could not run away from, some troubles too deep. Lessons learnt the hard way, the bad way that never faded, images that stuck in your mind but it might as well have been your throat the way they rose up and choked you. Your world, my world it made no difference, the past was a story you could tell however you liked, but never change.
    Some days were good days, when I could lie to myself that things would be okay. When I could almost feel normal, as if I had never left this grand old place and things had never had to change. What came to me later in those dark, dreaming hours put paid to that though and as always my mind led me treacherously back to the bleak and inescapable truth.
    There was no cure for what one had seen or done."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    I could go on, but reading this drivel is making me lose the will to live.

    All I can say is that anyone who publishes with this crowd will be considered to be on a par with this ****e.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Kinski


    Norman’s laughter percolated again.

    This was my favorite line.


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