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"Toughest Men on Planet Earth" (apparently)
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09-08-2006 10:56pm#1
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I'd have thought guys like Tom Crean (Antarctic Explorer) or Chris Ryan might be more the type who would qualify as "tough", if we take toughness to relate to mental as well as physical endurance?
Nice to see so many names that I can contact and ask questions of though
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Deleted User wrote:Love the Rear Naked Choke/Eye Gouge Combo
Thats the finishing touch to the famous "Shredder" of Rich Dimitri.0 -
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Millionaire wrote:Where is the rest of the article... I only see 2 pages!
Dunno' - but I'd love to have seen the rest of it (that's all I could find on the site).
Hmm... I'm sure there are a number of Boxers & Maui Thai guys out there that should have been in that list (hey! wheres Iron Mike).
Not to mention some of those lunatic unliceneced fighteres and some guys in prison.0 -
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john kavanagh wrote:define 'tough'
I took it to mean you could hold a match while i burned the whole way down without letting go???
I would never assume that it meant being able to climb Mt Everest after having both legs amputated like Mark Inglis
Obviously that is not tough at all.....tough is being able to beat people up apparently!!! 0 -
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There ae tough people all over the world but we all know there can only be one.........
MR. TOUGH!
Back on topic tho if we are classifying toughness i would have thought it would be ability to withstand pain and still function - prob some shaolin monk or someone more obscure who conditioned themselves too much not necessarily best fighter?0 -
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john kavanagh wrote:but even if it narrowed down to MA/fighters would you not pick the athlete who tests himself against skilled fighters (thai boxers, MMA, judo etc). nothing tests the mettle or physical toughness more than knowing you are going to be fighting in 6 weeks time. i'd describe these guys as tough. not some street fighter who's ability is based on anecdotes and beating up non-skilled thugs.
i've respect for the likes of shaw, mclean as they were willing to get in a ring and go for it. however when you see videos of them fighting (shaw v mclean) it shatters the myth of their 'amazing' ability - and that of any 'tough' street fighter. a decent boxer/thai boxer/mma guy would dismantle them.
Dismantle, how descriptive
. I just think a that the title in sensationalistic and as a result (like eveyone is pointing out) misleading. Tough is a very broad term and they just take one of it's many interpetations. That then begs the question, are these the toughest MA/fightings/"of thier kind" orientated people in the world? 0 -
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Miles Long wrote:That's exactly what I'm getting at Colum. sorry missed that.
It's more than likely the people who blackbelt magazine want to promote. They're mostly people who contribute to the magazine. It's kinda funny actually.
Ou est Fedor? I'm pretty sure Fedor at his peak (say yesterday) would animal through any of those guys. Possibly all of them at once. On the street. In a ring. In a cage. Anywhere.0 -
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Just to put a different view on things…. I remember when I was 16 I was walking down the street with a mate of mine. We had been out for a spot of drinking on the sly and were very merry. We ran into a group of guys from school who it turned out wanted to give me mate a hiding because he was a Traveller. I only got a ew few knocks and was then held down, but they seemed to want to do a number on my mate.
Everytime they would stop he would start getting up, laughing to himself and covered in blood. This happened maybe three of four times, and he took some awful shots while he was down, but still he kept getting up!!!
He couldn't fight to save his life…..picking on this guy was like picking on a 12 year old girl, especially with 4 of them smacking him about and 2 holding me down, but either way he would always be coming back up and chuckling to himself.
Eventually the lads got freaked and legged it. THAT was the toughest thing I ever saw.
And he couldn't fight worth a crap….. And still can't!!!! 0 -
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Killme00 wrote:
Now this guy would kick MR Ts ass
I agree
Chuck norris is so tough when he was young he made his Mom eat his greens.
That bb mag is s***e!! Toughest men on the planet my ass. How can you even judge such a thing. Its bulls**t. :mad:
Like some posters are sayin there's plenty of tough people that don't even do martial arts! Like Tom Crean the explorer, the guy who cut off his own arm with a penknife to survive, even plenty of people who were wrongly imprisoned and got through a really difficult life like that.
You don't have to be in black belt magazine to be tough.
And those guys are definitly NOT the toughest guys on earth.
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And not just childbirth Boru! Look at all the Mammies back in the Fifties up to present who had nothing, drunkard husbands, no breaks. Their kids were washed and educated and made something of themselves, because their Mothers made them do it! All that and no whinging about how hard they had it either!
Also, that mountaineer guy who cut his own arm off to escape, was that not a failure to plan? If he had a buddy along, with a mobile phone....................?
The mental toughness required to sever your own limb is impressive though! :eek:
I'd still pick Joe "Touching The Void" Simpson over him though. The guy was smashed and presumed dead but crawled out and was rescued. Mistakes were made again, accidents don't "just happen". How he dealt with his situation was impressive though!
Actually, any of the stories from "Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, And Why" http://www.deepsurvival.com/by Laurence Gonzales would make a top ten of toughness regardless of definition! Well worth a read, so here's an excerpt!
"The 12 Rules of Survival
By Laurence Gonzales
As a journalist, I've been writing about accidents for more than thirty years. In the last 15 or so years, I've concentrated on accidents in outdoor recreation, in an effort to understand who lives, who dies, and why. To my surprise, I found an eerie uniformity in the way people survive seemingly impossible circumstances. Decades and sometimes centuries apart, separated by culture, geography, race, language, and tradition, the most successful survivors–those who practice what I call “deep survival”–go through the same patterns of thought and behavior, the same transformation and spiritual discovery, in the course of keeping themselves alive. Not only that but it doesn't seem to matter whether they are surviving being lost in the wilderness or battling cancer, whether they're struggling through divorce or facing a business catastrophe–the strategies remain the same.
Survival should be thought of as a journey, a vision quest of the sort that native Americans have had as a rite of passage for thousands of years. Once you're past the precipitating event–you're cast away at sea or told you have cancer–you have been enrolled in one of the oldest schools in history. Here are a few things I've learned that can help you pass the final exam.
1. Perceive and Believe
Don't fall into the deadly trap of denial or of immobilizing fear. Admit it: You're really in trouble and you're going to have to get yourself out.
Many people who in the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, died simply because they told themselves that everything was going to be all right. Others panicked. Panic doesn't necessarily mean screaming and running around. Often it means simply doing nothing. Survivors don't candy-coat the truth, but they also don't give in to hopelessness in the face of it.
Survivors see opportunity, even good, in their situation, however grim. After the ordeal is over, people may be surprised to hear them say it was the best thing that ever happened to them. Viktor Frankl, who spent three years in Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps, describes comforting a woman who was dying. She told him, “I am grateful that fate has hit me so hard. In my former life I was spoiled and did not take spiritual accomplishments seriously.”
The phases of the survival journey roughly parallel the five stages of death once described by Elizabeth Kubler Ross in her book On Death and Dying: Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. In dire circumstances, a survivor moves through those stages rapidly to acceptance of his situation, then resolves to do something to save himself. Survival depends on telling yourself, “Okay, I'm here. This is really happening. Now I'm going to do the next right thing to get myself out.” Whether you succeed or not ultimately becomes irrelevant. It is in acting well–even suffering well–that you give meaning to whatever life you have to live.
2. Stay Calm – Use Your Anger
In the initial crisis, survivors are not ruled by fear; instead, they make use of it. Their fear often feels like (and turns into) anger, which motivates them and makes them feel sharper. Aron Ralston, the hiker who had to cut off his hand to free himself from a stone that had trapped him in a slot canyon in Utah, initially panicked and began slamming himself over and over against the boulder that had caught his hand. But very quickly, he stopped himself, did some deep breathing, and began thinking about his options. He eventually spent five days progressing through the stages necessary to convince him of what decisive action he had to take to save his own life.
When Lance Armstrong, six-time winner of the Tour de France, awoke from brain surgery for his cancer, he first felt gratitude. “But then I felt a second wave, of anger... I was alive, and I was mad.” When friends asked him how he was doing, he responded, “I'm doing great... I like it like this. I like the odds stacked against me... I donÕt know any other way.” That's survivor thinking.
Survivors also manage pain well. As a bike racer, Armstrong had had long training in enduring pain, even learning to love it. James Stockdale, a fighter pilot who was shot down in Vietnam and spent eight years in the Hanoi Hilton, as his prison camp was known, advised those who would learn to survive: “One should include a course of familiarization with pain. You have to practice hurting. There is no question about it.”
3. Think, Analyze, and Plan
Survivors quickly organize, set up routines, and institute discipline.
When Lance Armstrong was diagnosed with cancer, he organized his fight against it the way he would organize his training for a race. He read everything he could about it, put himself on a training schedule, and put together a team from among friends, family, and doctors to support his efforts. Such conscious, organized effort in the face of grave danger requires a split between reason and emotion in which reason gives direction and emotion provides the power source. Survivors often report experiencing reason as an audible “voice.”
Steve Callahan, a sailor and boat designer, was rammed by a whale and sunk while on a solo voyage in 1982. Adrift in the Atlantic for 76 days in a five-and-a-half-foot raft, he experienced his survival voyage as taking place under the command of a “captain,” who gave him his orders and kept him on his water ration, even as his own mutinous (emotional) spirit complained. His captain routinely lectured “the crew.” Thus under strict control, he was able to push away thoughts that his situation was hopeless and take the necessary first steps of the survival journey: to think clearly, analyze his situation, and formulate a plan.
4. Take Correct, Decisive Action
Survivors are willing to take risks to save themselves and others. But they are simultaneously bold and cautious in what they will do. Lauren Elder was the only survivor of a light plane crash in high sierra. Stranded on a peak above 12,000 feet, one arm broken, she could see the San Joaquin Valley in California below, but a vast wilderness and sheer and icy cliffs separated her from it. Wearing a wrap-around skirt and blouse, with two-inch heeled boots and not even wearing underwear, she crawled “on all fours, doing a kind of sideways spiderwalk,” as she put it later, “balancing myself on the ice crust, punching through it with my hands and feet.”
She had 36 hours of climbing ahead of her–a seemingly impossible task. But Elder allowed herself to think only as far as the next big rock. Survivors break down large jobs into small, manageable tasks. They set attainable goals and develop short-term plans to reach them. They are meticulous about doing those tasks well. Elder tested each hold before moving forward and stopped frequently to rest. They make very few mistakes. They handle what is within their power to deal with from moment to moment, hour to hour, day to day.
5. Celebrate your success
Survivors take great joy from even their smallest successes. This helps keep motivation high and prevents a lethal plunge into hopelessness. It also provides relief from the unspeakable strain of a life-threatening situation. Elder said that once she had completed her descent of the first pitch, she looked up at the impossibly steep slope and thought, “Look what you've done...Exhilarated, I gave a whoop that echoed down the silent pass.” Even with a broken arm, joy was Elder's constant companion. A good survivor always tells herself: count your blessings–you're alive. Viktor Frankl wrote of how he felt at times in Auschwitz: “How content we were; happy in spite of everything.”"
I'd recommend a look at this book to anyone!0 -
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Well I guess that answers my question. Though it did say that Lala has trained in Jujutsu and Judo aswel and combined them with Kyokushin to make "a very formidable system". Doesnt that make him a Mixed Martial Artist? Who the magazine said werent included in the list :rolleyes:
OSU,
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Budo.Judo.Kev wrote:Yep, sounds very Kyokushin Budokwai esque. I think by MMA fighters they meant pro/semi pro athletes competing in the different tournments as opposed to guys that cross-train.
Are you familar with him?
Mark Lala has been advertising his instructional videos in BB since the mid 80s which is 20 years now! ( I used to get BB back then).
Mags (on any subject under the sun) have a habit of giving free editorial and PR in articles to those who advertise alot with them.... thats a fact for sure!0 -
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