"Toughest Men on Planet Earth" (apparently)

Baggio...

I found this - some might be interested.

http://www.aracnet.com/~lwc123/blackbeltmag.html

I don't agree with this list - even though I'm a big fan of a few of the guys in it (I know some of 'em are pretty tough, but...).

How the hell do you quantify something like this anyway?? Go Black Belt mag.:rolleyes:

Musashi

I'd have thought guys like Tom Crean (Antarctic Explorer) or Chris Ryan might be more the type who would qualify as "tough", if we take toughness to relate to mental as well as physical endurance?

Nice to see so many names that I can contact and ask questions of though

Millionaire

Thats interesting....anything to sell a few copies to Yankee teenagers!

Teens and Yanks in general, lap this sort of stuff up.

Still there is a few tough guys on there, and a good portion of the list actively posts on Geoffs Forum. In fact I have corresponed with a few myself in the past, asking training questions and the likes.

Yep, anything to sell a few extra copies of a mag!

Where is the rest of the article... I only see 2 pages!

droc

LMFAO

The only one I know well is Tony Cecchine. While he's very skilled and is an excellent instructor he has been plagued by illness and injury and because of this is unable to compete and perhaps unable to spar full speed. Tough - ? Skilled - Definitely

DROC

Love the Rear Naked Choke/Eye Gouge Combo

Dragan

For my money the toughest guys on the planet will be the ones we never hear about, generally speaking.

Millionaire

Deleted User wrote:

Love the Rear Naked Choke/Eye Gouge Combo

Thats the finishing touch to the famous "Shredder" of Rich Dimitri.

Baggio...

Dragan wrote:

For my money the toughest guys on the planet will be the ones we never hear about, generally speaking.

I'd toatally agree there Dragon...

Funny thing is - that of those guys in that list would be laughing away after seeing that, thinking it was the biggest a pile o' crap.

As Mill said, - anything to sell a few mags to some yankee teens.:D

Never thought much of BB magazine - good for toilet paper though.

judomick

LOL at the TMA Judo guy being 2nd on the list

Wouldnt agree with anyone on that list

Roper

What Musashi said. There are far tougher men doing far tougher things than martial arts, some of which require brawn and more of which require mental toughness surpassing beating stuff up.

Aaron Ralston > The Shredder

Lance Armstrong > All of Karate

Baggio...

Millionaire wrote:

Where is the rest of the article... I only see 2 pages!

Dunno' - but I'd love to have seen the rest of it (that's all I could find on the site).

Hmm... I'm sure there are a number of Boxers & Maui Thai guys out there that should have been in that list (hey! wheres Iron Mike).

Not to mention some of those lunatic unliceneced fighteres and some guys in prison.

john kavanagh

lol its stuff like this that really exemplifies the different 'worldviews' of people posting here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Maynard

This guy. Makes Danny Trejo look like Prince William.

Millionaire

they forgot to put in that english criminal, famous unlicensed boxer in late 70s/early 80s......Roy Shaw... what a nutter!!!!

Baggio...

Aye, he was one tough SOB.

john kavanagh

define 'tough'

Millionaire

john kavanagh wrote:

define 'tough'

http://www.royprettyboyshaw.com/index2.html

well, I would not want this dude, coming to my door
telling me I was 3 months late with the rent and to pay
up now!!!!

Ok, I am jesting here!

Loads of sorts of tough.... physical tough, mental tough.

maybe the little nerdy guy, running and turning around
a loss making business, millions in debts with 500 jobs
to save, is more mentally tough, than the big grizzly body builder bouncer type!!!

Dragan

john kavanagh wrote:

define 'tough'

I took it to mean you could hold a match while i burned the whole way down without letting go???

I would never assume that it meant being able to climb Mt Everest after having both legs amputated like Mark Inglis

Obviously that is not tough at all.....tough is being able to beat people up apparently!!!

Musashi

Hate to do it to him, but look at what Odysseus does!
Works with all sorts in an underfunded and under appreciated area of medical care, then goes and runs Ultra-Marathons for fun. Long distance running must be one of the most solitary pursuits going, near as bad as lone round-the-world yachtsmen. The mental grit to knuckle down and run fifty miles, then know your only half way there....... :eek:

Miles Long

Hang on though, Haven't they inadvertantly (or purposely) pidgeon-holed themselves to a definition of tough that is only concerned with MA and SD seeing as it's printed in Black Belt Magazine?

*he pondered*

Dragan

Well, i imagine with the title "Toughest Men on the Planet" that kinda covers.....everyone really.

john kavanagh

Miles Long wrote:

Hang on though, Haven't they inadvertantly (or purposely) pidgeon-holed themselves to a definition of tough that is only concerned with MA and SD seeing as it's printed in Black Belt Magazine?

*he pondered*

but even if it narrowed down to MA/fighters would you not pick the athlete who tests himself against skilled fighters (thai boxers, MMA, judo etc). nothing tests the mettle or physical toughness more than knowing you are going to be fighting in 6 weeks time. i'd describe these guys as tough. not some street fighter who's ability is based on anecdotes and beating up non-skilled thugs.

i've respect for the likes of shaw, mclean as they were willing to get in a ring and go for it. however when you see videos of them fighting (shaw v mclean) it shatters the myth of their 'amazing' ability - and that of any 'tough' street fighter. a decent boxer/thai boxer/mma guy would dismantle them.

Baggio...

Just another pointless article...

Can't believe that guy got paid to write that.

Hercule

There ae tough people all over the world but we all know there can only be one.........

MR. TOUGH!



Back on topic tho if we are classifying toughness i would have thought it would be ability to withstand pain and still function - prob some shaolin monk or someone more obscure who conditioned themselves too much not necessarily best fighter?

Baggio...

john kavanagh wrote:

and that of any 'tough' street fighter. a decent boxer/thai boxer/mma guy would dismantle them.

But; You can't really ever put that to the test. So while I don't think these guys are the hardest in the world - it would be interesting to see them fight a boxer or another competition fighter - outside the ring. Not saying who I'd put my cash on, but it would be interesting just too see what appraoch they would take, etc.

Millionaire

I got the Shaw Vs McClean and the other Shaw fights on DVD here (buy on ebay).

Shaw has a screw loose for sure.

Still he got into ring at age 42, after 10 years in jail. The fight he has with Donnie Bull Adams is so funny. He beats him to KO into the ground, Adams is lifeless Ko'ed and shaw is trying to pick him up to keep hitting him!! nutters!!!

Baggio...

Was Mclean the "the Guvnor"?

If so he was fooking scary.:eek: Now he would be in my list for sure.

Miles Long

john kavanagh wrote:

but even if it narrowed down to MA/fighters would you not pick the athlete who tests himself against skilled fighters (thai boxers, MMA, judo etc). nothing tests the mettle or physical toughness more than knowing you are going to be fighting in 6 weeks time. i'd describe these guys as tough. not some street fighter who's ability is based on anecdotes and beating up non-skilled thugs.

i've respect for the likes of shaw, mclean as they were willing to get in a ring and go for it. however when you see videos of them fighting (shaw v mclean) it shatters the myth of their 'amazing' ability - and that of any 'tough' street fighter. a decent boxer/thai boxer/mma guy would dismantle them.

Dismantle, how descriptive . I just think a that the title in sensationalistic and as a result (like eveyone is pointing out) misleading. Tough is a very broad term and they just take one of it's many interpetations. That then begs the question, are these the toughest MA/fightings/"of thier kind" orientated people in the world?

That then begs the question, are these the toughest MA/fightings/"of thier kind" orientated people in the world?

No cause they didn't mention Ramon Dekkers, Don Frye, Kazushi Sakuraba, Mark Hunt and many many others who are hard as nails in the physical sense and in the never give up sense.

Miles Long

columok wrote:

No cause they didn't mention Ramon Dekkers, Don Frye, Kazushi Sakuraba, Mark Hunt and many many others who are hard as nails in the physical sense and in the never give up sense.

That's exactly what I'm getting at Colum.