Maxi muscle sll in one supplement

billyhead

Argos are selling a Maxi Muscle all in one supplement made up of Glutamine, whey protein and creatine (€57.99 for 1.2kg). Has anyone ever used this and if so is it any good. Also can it be purchased for cheaper in any other supplement store in Dublin?

Dragan

THis will be the last time i ever have to post this i hope.

Maximuscle = rip off.

Much better supplements out there for far less money.

Nutrition X , Optimum Nutrition and Reflex are all great.

daveirl

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trollybus

Billyhead what area in Dublin are you in, there are a few supplement shops in Dublin.
Dragan, good answer! Did you know that all 3 of the companies that you recommend are companies that manufacture their own products! Perhaps you have hit on something there;)

Degsy

trollybus wrote:

Billyhead what area in Dublin are you in, there are a few supplement shops in Dublin.
Dragan, good answer! Did you know that all 3 of the companies that you recommend are companies that manufacture their own products! Perhaps you have hit on something there;)

Yeah but if they work and they dont cost the earth then whats the problem?

Dragan

Degsy wrote:

Yeah but if they work and they dont cost the earth then whats the problem?

Em.... i think that is what he implying Degsy....the fact that they make and directly sell the product means no "middle man" and no subsequent price hick....like Maximuscle, BSN etc who buy from the manufacturer, then up the cost to ensure they make a profit on it.

As it is the three companies i mentioned do not need to do this....why do yo think Nutrition X can do 12 pounds of Big Whey for 90quid and OPtimum can do 10pounds for 90quid?

Because they make it themselves!!! I'm all for it tbh.

And OP, Nutrition X do a similiar ( see superior ) product to the one you looked at called "XXX" which i have used myself to great effect and is cheaper.

topdog8

Dragan wrote:

THis will be the last time i ever have to post this i hope.

Maximuscle = rip off.

Much better supplements out there for far less money.

Nutrition X , Optimum Nutrition and Reflex are all great.

i think ur going to be posting that forever while they still have money rolling in to pay for there publicity campaign

Dragan

topdog8 wrote:

i think ur going to be posting that forever while they still have money rolling in to pay for there publicity campaign

Maybe i should challenge Zeiff Eizenberg to a public debate....although if they are willing to refund me all the money i wasted on there stuff before i self-educated then i will happily leave them alone.

I'm not even asking for it all back, just the difference between Whey and Marketing is all.

billyhead

I live in Artane, so the nearest supplement stores are more then likely in town. What about the supplement store Workout world along the quays Are they cheap and do they sell optimum nutrition .

yomchi

billyhead wrote:

I live in Artane, so the nearest supplement stores are more then likely in town. What about the supplement store Workout world along the quays Are they cheap and do they sell optimum nutrition .

We're in Phibsboro, Pro-Nutrition. We sell NutritionX's XXX 'all in one', it's one of our main sellers at the moment. Had a French guy who came back this morning to buy 3 tubs of it!
We also have Optimum 10lb bag for 90 quid - again just mention boards or that your dragan's best mate
Call in and say you're from boards

Jon

justsomebloke

billyhead wrote:

I live in Artane, so the nearest supplement stores are more then likely in town. What about the supplement store Workout world along the quays Are they cheap and do they sell optimum nutrition .

if you have a credit card you can buy it on line from www.fitnessireland.com or if you go to phibsboro Jon has his shop there. also if you go up to the beaumont house and get the 16 it will take you all the way over to camden street where Mickk has his store and from all 3 places you will be able to get some stuff

Dragan

Jon wrote:

We're in Phibsboro, Pro-Nutrition. We sell NutritionX's XXX 'all in one', it's one of our main sellers at the moment. Had a French guy who came back this morning to buy 3 tubs of it!
We also have Optimum 10lb bag for 90 quid - again just mention boards or that your dragan's best mate
Call in and say you're from boards

Jon

Hmmmm.....people are getting sorted out now just for knowing me? My internet notoriety is getting out of hand!!!

trollybus

Billy, Phibsoro is the closest to you, you can pm Jon for directions. Its directly opposite Dr.Quirkey's if that is any help, if not just ask and I'll give you their phone number.

Jonesy101

hey wheres that phibsboro shop. im not from around there but would like to pop in sometime. as i think ive just wasted 50 quid on maxi muscle

iregk

Question for Jon, Dragan and anyone else with knowledge on the subject. We know that maxi muscle and TQ products are cack. The Protein and Creatine supps I have taken in the past couple of months (still on creatine) are Body Fortress from Natures way. They any good?

The creatine is the body fortress hardcore formula mono hydrate. What is the best or at least good form of creatine and protein out there that I should be buying?

Cheers
Graham

Dragan

For proteins i have pretty much covered Nutrition X ( my own product of choice ) and also ON and Reflex.

For creatine i would say the same, or anything with the Creapure TM on it. That stuff consistently tests above the industry standard for quality.

yomchi

Jonesy101 wrote:

hey wheres that phibsboro shop. im not from around there but would like to pop in sometime. as i think ive just wasted 50 quid on maxi muscle

We're just on the junction, across the road from Dr Quirkies Arcade thingy. Drop in any time.

Question for Jon, Dragan and anyone else with knowledge on the subject. We know that maxi muscle and TQ products are cack. The Protein and Creatine supps I have taken in the past couple of months (still on creatine) are Body Fortress from Natures way. They any good?

I agree with Dragan, NutritionX, Optimum and Reflex are all up there.

iregk

cheers lads.

Easygainer

Dragan wrote:

Em.... i think that is what he implying Degsy....the fact that they make and directly sell the product means no "middle man" and no subsequent price hick....like Maximuscle, BSN etc who buy from the manufacturer, then up the cost to ensure they make a profit on it.

As it is the three companies i mentioned do not need to do this....why do yo think Nutrition X can do 12 pounds of Big Whey for 90quid and OPtimum can do 10pounds for 90quid?

Because they make it themselves!!! I'm all for it tbh.

And OP, Nutrition X do a similiar ( see superior ) product to the one you looked at called "XXX" which i have used myself to great effect and is cheaper.

I do the ON 10lbs for €75, although it's a bitch that we have to get middled by importers in England. The whole business is run like a cartel because there are so many barriers to bringing in milk-based products from outside the EU. Ideally, someone like ON or a major US seller would set up shop in the EU (Estonia has 0% corporation tax and far lower costs than here!) and then we would really reap the benefits.

Maximuscle's prices are also inflated as they spend a lot on advertising. Advertising and sponsorship also add to bsn and muscltech prices, but at least bodybuilders get money so it's a lot better than what maximuscle are doing.

As for all in one products, I don't think they are great. Creatine blunts the appetite so keep it to workouts only, and I prefer to use creatine ethyl esters (I use CR2) as they absorb without sugars and have no bloat or other sides associated with creatine monohydrate.

€90 for 10lbs ON is a bit pricey, even with a shop...

j2u

Fitness ireland is the best place to get supplements i reckon,and in spite of what someone else said earlier you dont need a credit card i used a postal order a while back,they have loads of stuff, got a credit card yesterday
and im looking to get something now so i will use the credit card now as it is handyer but noot absolutely nessecery as i said

Jonesy101

anyones heard of kre-Alkalyn thats what they reccommended in workout world i think its fairly new and it says it doesnt turn to creatinine without going to muscles first therefore better than your average creatine. any thoughts?

Chucky the tree

j2u wrote:

Fitness ireland is the best place to get supplements i reckon,and in spite of what someone else said earlier you dont need a credit card i used a postal order a while back,they have loads of stuff, got a credit card yesterday
and im looking to get something now so i will use the credit card now as it is handyer but noot absolutely nessecery as i said

89.95 euro for 10lb bag of ON whey. I presume P&P is more then 5 cent so it is more expensive.

Dragan

Chucky the tree wrote:

89.95 euro for 10lb bag of ON whey. I presume P&P is more then 5 cent so it is more expensive.

P and P is free on Fitness Ireland.

Chucky the tree

oh my mistake.

trollybus

Easygainer, maths was never my strong point in school but if you charge 75 euro for 10lbs thats 7.5 euro per lb, Fitness ireland, Pro Nutrition and many others sell 12lbs of Big Whey for 90 euro and that works out at 7.5 euro per lb, so tell me how are you cheaper! Fitness ireland, Pro Nutrition, The Supplement Store have overheads and will be in business for along time, they do not have stocking problems etc etc ..... so I do not see how they are more expensive than you or ripping people off...... then again I was never good at maths

Easygainer

trollybus wrote:

Easygainer, maths was never my strong point in school but if you charge 75 euro for 10lbs thats 7.5 euro per lb, Fitness ireland, Pro Nutrition and many others sell 12lbs of Big Whey for 90 euro and that works out at 7.5 euro per lb, so tell me how are you cheaper! Fitness ireland, Pro Nutrition, The Supplement Store have overheads and will be in business for along time, they do not have stocking problems etc etc ..... so I do not see how they are more expensive than you or ripping people off...... then again I was never good at maths

If I sell 10 apples for €5 and you sell 10 grapes for €4, which is better value? Big Whey is a different product, it has less wpi, no hydrowhey (ie it doesn't mix as well), doesn't taste as good (granted a subjective measure but try the 2) and has more carbs and fats than ON as well as less protein per serving (22/30g for big whey, 24/29g for ON).

Now, you say Maths wasn't your strong point, but even taking these factors and the first chapter of HRW's (Halliday Resnick Walker) Physics (textbook for university level physics) on measurements, we'll ignore the simple quality discrepancy and see which works out better value, even though the 12lbs of big whey is based on a special offfer buying 2 x 6lbs which are normally €60 each (I do 5lbs for €40).

Big Whey = 12lbs = 12 x 0.454(kg -lb conversion) = 5.448kg x 22/30 = 3.9952kg protein

ON whey = 10.37lbs = 4.70798kg x 24/29 = 3.896kg protein

Now, big whey is basically 4kg of protein for €90, ON is 3.9kg protein for €75, making it over €3/kg more expensive for pure protein. Take into account the massive discrepancy in the price of wpc (concentrate) and wpi (isolate) as well as the hydrosolates and aminogen in ON and you see how much better value it is.

Furthermore, talking to any of my customers, you will see that I am almost never out of stock on any products and can get in any products on request. Of course, I may have less overheads, but this is translated into cheaper prices and that can only be good for consumers.... then again, you never were good at maths.

Easygainer

Jonesy101 wrote:

anyones heard of kre-Alkalyn thats what they reccommended in workout world i think its fairly new and it says it doesnt turn to creatinine without going to muscles first therefore better than your average creatine. any thoughts?

Yeah, it is excellent, especially for those:
1. on a low carb diet and
2. who had probs with creatine monohydrate.

I take ALRI CR2, it's good value and has been working well for me results wise, pm if you want to know more.

trollybus

Easygainer, I strongly suggest you check out the differences between American lableing and E.U. labeling, Optimum whey is actually less than 79% whey in real terms, look into it for awhile and take the moisture content and see what the real figure is. As for levels of Isolate etc in Big Whey, how did you get your hands on the formulations? I know these are not released publicly. As for saying Big whey doesn't mix well, maybe your wrists were tired from using your calculator!All in all I think Optimum are a very good professional company, i don't have anything bad to say about them, its the way you were running down other companies that I did not like!! You need to realise that there are a number of good supplement manufacturers!

Easygainer

trollybus wrote:

Easygainer, I strongly suggest you check out the differences between American lableing and E.U. labeling, Optimum whey is actually less than 79% whey in real terms, look into it for awhile and take the moisture content and see what the real figure is. As for levels of Isolate etc in Big Whey, how did you get your hands on the formulations? I know these are not released publicly. As for saying Big whey doesn't mix well, maybe your wrists were tired from using your calculator!All in all I think Optimum are a very good professional company, i don't have anything bad to say about them, its the way you were running down other companies that I did not like!! You need to realise that there are a number of good supplement manufacturers!

My point is that like for like I am the cheapest supplier of protein. I could stock EAS but I don't like it so I wouldn't stock it.

I know where you are coming from though, but I only rate ON as a good economy protein. If you want an uber protein, my recommendation is Syntrax Nectar (especially in fuzzy navel). This is 100% wpi, 0g fat, 0g carbs and tastes amazing and mixes like a juice (texture of a fruit juice). However, it costs €40 for 2lbs! I honestly believe that when you take into account how much extra we importers have to pay for proteins from the States, ON works out the best value. I use the ON as my regular whey and the ON pro complex as my post workout shake.


As for fitness ireland, I feel they abuse market position and I've now got the financial backing to go ahead with my planned expansion. It'll probably be a couple of months but I have a good few publicity stunts lined up, some ironically linked to Bart Simpson! Sorry for coming across as a tosser in that post but it irks me that a protein powder made in Ireland, with plenty of cows around, Eu subsidies, Enterprise Ireland subsidies and no customs duties, is not selling for considerably less than imported American products. I make feck all from protein sales at the moment, but at least my prices have allowed people to get on the ladder and, if you ask around, nearly all are happy with the product and service received.

trollybus

Easygainer, i hear where you are coming from. Tax incentives from dairy produce in the states is passed on in a different way than Ireland. In Ireland the incentives stop at the farmer, in the states the break is passed onto the dairy and inturn to the supplement manufacturer. The trade prices you would pay in America are almost identical to that of an Irish based company, however it is out of the manufacturers hand if a retailer sticks on a larger margin. Its simple economics, a retailer in America is going to sell 10 times as much whey than in Ireland so the retailer here has to have a higher margin.
There are a number of retailers over here that do not charge high margins, fitness ireland, Pro Nutrition and Mick k Supplement store. I have met these people in person and I don't believe for a minute that they rip anybody off.

I appologise if I have come across cocky or argumentive, some people on this board know me personally and I am sure they will vouch that I do not mean to come across that way.

yomchi

trollybus wrote:

some people on this board know me personally and I am sure they will vouch that I do not mean to come across that way.

Your an argumentative git but I just say yes eamonn incase you but me in a head lock :eek:

Easygainer

trollybus wrote:

Easygainer, i hear where you are coming from. Tax incentives from dairy produce in the states is passed on in a different way than Ireland. In Ireland the incentives stop at the farmer, in the states the break is passed onto the dairy and inturn to the supplement manufacturer. The trade prices you would pay in America are almost identical to that of an Irish based company, however it is out of the manufacturers hand if a retailer sticks on a larger margin. Its simple economics, a retailer in America is going to sell 10 times as much whey than in Ireland so the retailer here has to have a higher margin.
There are a number of retailers over here that do not charge high margins, fitness ireland, Pro Nutrition and Mick k Supplement store. I have met these people in person and I don't believe for a minute that they rip anybody off.

I appologise if I have come across cocky or argumentive, some people on this board know me personally and I am sure they will vouch that I do not mean to come across that way.

I BUY a 10lbs bag of ON whey for a lot more than somewhere like bb.com SELLS it without including shipping. We get killed because we are middles by companies who import to Europe aswell!