loosing for the year?

nicryan

so is anyone else apart from me down for the year so far? cause I am...I'm down around a grand so far this year and,according to mick locke no one has every posted on here saying that they're loosing so now I'm proving him wrong...that and finding out if there's anyone else like me who's been doing his nuts so far this year (well...1k is not really my nuts but thats only at that cause of a few tourney wins here and there...).

oh how I wish I had the sense to avoid cash games...I'm down about 12k in cash games this year (10k online and about 2k live)...


-Nic

MickL

well ill be the son off a monkey blower a losing one lol

shoutman

Online I am losing too, but I only play micro limits so probably about 120 in cash games, but doing well in stt then losing any profit from the stt in mtts, I havent placed in one.

Playing live I am definately up a few hundred quid, I seem to go through weeks where I will get two decent places (small games so Im talking about 200euro per game)

Rnger

For there to be winners there must be losers. Thanks alot guys! I'm marginally up in live and online but I dont play half as much as i used to. No more than a grand I imagine. I have no bankroll so I just spend my winnings

pok3rplaya

nicryan wrote:

oh how I wish I had the sense to avoid cash games...I'm down about 12k in cash games this year (10k online and about 2k live)...

I would reccomend that you give up poker. No joke.

Mr. Flibble

pok3rplaya wrote:

I would reccomend that you give up poker. No joke.

Maybe just cash games. If you're up 11K in tourneys I wouldn't stop!

redzerdrog

I am only a small time player but I am up bout €10k live and about €1200 online i just cant get the hang of winning consistantly online i think it is just my concentration levels or something.

Scotty #

I've won about €10000 so far live this year which puts me up about €8000. Online, I'm down about €1800 I'd say probably more, I've only recently started to keep records. Biggest flaw in my game is bankroll managment, hence the new record keeping. I've found $15 stt's are by far my most profitable game and I'm up about $300 in them since I started keeping records so hopefully that -€1800 or so will be a +€1800 soon.

califano

redzerdrog wrote:

I am only a small time player but I am up bout €10k live and about €1200 online i just cant get the hang of winning consistantly online i think it is just my concentration levels or something.

You would'nt be 'stewdrog' on ppp by any chance?.

jbravado

pok3rplaya wrote:

I would reccomend that you give up poker. No joke.

Good man.

It might just be a case of adapting your cash game-really examaning why you are down so much-hand by hand.
Personally I am and will remain a losing online player unless I can identify my major leaks-around 1200 since I started.
Live-my tournament results have been good and I have had some super cash game results(by my stakes) but some equally spectacular losses.I realise just how bad I am while on tilt and need to remedy this asap.My own brand of tilt also involves indulging casino games which is not the answer.Since November I am winning overall and am convinced if I keep working on my game I will be able to make progress and avoid brokesville.

pok3rplaya

jbravado wrote:

Personally I am and will remain a losing online player unless I can identify my major leaks-around 1200 since I started.

Your major leaks are most likely discipline and bankroll management.

What games do you play to lose 1200?

pok3rplaya

FWIW I reckon I'm up about $30,000 online this year.

Live I'm down €300. I've only played for like an hour heh.

BigDragon

pok3rplaya wrote:

Live I'm down €300. I've only played for like an hour heh.

Being from Drogheda that means your a winning player.

jbravado

pok3rplaya wrote:

Your major leaks are most likely discipline and bankroll management.

What games do you play to lose 1200?

Thats it in a nutshell.My online game is radically different than my live one.
As far as br management its basically non exsistent-games range from 50 1 to 2 4.I realise the importance of these areas but online I just cannot remain as disciplined as Id like.
Another undoubted factor is I much prefer live action.Its like everything else if you enjoy doing it-its so much easier to succeed.

redzerdrog

rounders123 wrote:

You would'nt be 'stewdrog' on ppp by any chance?.

nope i am redzer1 on most sites and redzerdrog on another

kincsem

I don't keep records but am down about 1K on poker and up 11k on sports betting (+200 yesterday).

I have the cash to play the main event in the WSOP but that would be daft as I've forgotten how to play Hold 'Em.
Fitz €270 on Thursday: out on QQ v AA :mad: ... flop AKA. :eek:

Marq

PM sent.

nicryan

thanks for that marq...tis always much nicer (IMO) for people to say it as it is and forget about possibly offending people.


-Nic

pok3rplaya

BigDragon wrote:

Being from Drogheda that means your a winning player.

Live poker should be handicapped like golf for people from Drogheda.

Mr. Flibble

Nic, if you are going to continue to play online cash games and have access to your old hand histories would you like me to run them through poker tracker and have a look at them to try and find your leaks etc. There are undoubtly more qualified people here to do it but I'll do my best if you like.
It'll probably help my game too thinking about the mistakes people make in poker.

Also, if you make a commitment to share your HHs again down the road it may help you play your A game more of the time, knowing you are no longer an anonymous online player where no one can see you tilt or just make bad plays because you feel like a gamble. I think this can be a major cause of losses on online play where nobody notices you rebuy over and over.

nicryan

well I've no idea where my hand histories would be...but I've recently installed poker tracker and when I start playing cash games again I'm gonna make sure its up and running...

so in 10k hands worth I'll send the results over for you (or anyone) to have a peek at...


-Nic

Mr. Flibble

nicryan wrote:

well I've no idea where my hand histories would be...but I've recently installed poker tracker and when I start playing cash games again I'm gonna make sure its up and running...

so in 10k hands worth I'll send the results over for you (or anyone) to have a peek at...

What poker room do you play? On Tribeca (paddy power) they are at C:\Documents and Settings\yourname\Application Data\yourpokerhandle. this folder may be hidden so you have to unhide it (view menu/folder options/view/show hidden files and folders). You also have to tell the poker cluent to archieve hand histories - select the check box in th HH screen. I don't know about other poker rooms, but you may be able to get all your old HHs emailed to you if you ask them.

nicryan

mkay I'll give it a look as soon as I get home and back onto my own compu (will be a day or 2...)


-Nic

roryc

nicryan wrote:

mkay I'll give it a look as soon as I get home and back onto my own compu (will be a day or 2...)


-Nic

Im up €5,835 from about 15 live tourneys this year, mostly €20-€50 games.

I basically gave up on online poker a few months back, but Im still down €468 online for the year. Definite loser online

Id say a large proportion of the posters here are winners, but there would definitely be a good few consistent losers too. Im basing this purely on the fact that overall, a huge percentage of players are losing money on a regular basis.

if everybody was winning, where would the money be coming from...

accensi0n

roryc wrote:

Im up €5,835 from about 15 live tourneys this year, mostly €20-€50 games.

I basically gave up on online poker a few months back, but Im still down €468 online for the year. Definite loser online

Id say a large proportion of the posters here are winners, but there would definitely be a good few consistent losers too. Im basing this purely on the fact that overall, a huge percentage of players are losing money on a regular basis.

if everybody was winning, where would the money be coming from...

A big money producing machine.

roryc

like the one that HJ has in his basement?

empirix

About $2000 down online, about 3200 euro up Live and only been playing 3 or 4 months live, strictly cash games, have yet to play a tournie, i do pretty well on them online and mess up in the latter stages, not really sure how to bet when the blinds go up a lot, so thats when i get bummed out.

Some of the beats online have been amazing and i no longer play online

Im not sure what the figures are overall but the 8 5 is up a couple of million, he is sitting on a beach in mexico somewhere. His evil cousin the 8 3 is down however

shaydy

I'm up in cash games, down in mtts and up in stts. I havent played much in the past 8 weeks as i found ive lost a bit of the passion for the game at the moment. Anyone know where i can find my mojo??:p

I'm starting back this week, hope im not too rusty:o

Shay

CharlieAsh

Up in live cash
Up in STTs
Level or down in tournies
Down in Mtts online
Up in Heads-up

I'll take that handi-cap if it's on offer.

El Stuntman

shaydy wrote:

Anyone know where i can find my mojo??:p

Shay

play live

roryc

damn right... I totally lost interest due to playing online ****e too much, didnt play for two months.

Came back and played the Vegasnights game, won it and got my mojo back!

Trust me, if you've lost interest in poker, stay the fcuk away from the online muck. Get yourself into a decent live game and the magic will come back

shaydy

roryc wrote:

damn right... I totally lost interest due to playing online ****e too much, didnt play for two months.

Came back and played the Vegasnights game, won it and got my mojo back!

Trust me, if you've lost interest in poker, stay the fcuk away from the online muck. Get yourself into a decent live game and the magic will come back

Ok, thanks for the advice i'll give it a go! I rarely play live so I'll take both your advice on board and hit the live games instead of logging on and see how it goes. It'll be interesting either way, looking forward to it now actually:rolleyes:

All the best
Shay

ArmaniJeanss

I wouldnt accuse anyone of lying, but I'm surprised at the amount of people who are saying they win live but lose online.
IMO if you are good enough to be a regular winner live, then you should find playing online to be an absolute doddle.
I wonder whether its easier to fool yourself into thinking that you are winning live* by not keeping accurate records, whereas online there is no way of hiding from the accurately calculated account balance.


* Personally I was totally convinced I was an overall winner on horses (with an edge of ~10%) until I detailed every bet for a year and found I was down ~5%).

pok3rplaya

Good point AJ. I agree.

Sangre

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

I wouldnt accuse anyone of lying, but I'm surprised at the amount of people who are saying they win live but lose online.
IMO if you are good enough to be a regular winner live, then you should find playing online to be an absolute doddle.
I wonder whether its easier to fool yourself into thinking that you are winning live* by not keeping accurate records, whereas online there is no way of hiding from the accurately calculated account balance.


* Personally I was totally convinced I was an overall winner on horses (with an edge of ~10%) until I detailed every bet for a year and found I was down ~5%).

Fair point but its a lot easier to tilt online or rebuy loads without really noticing. Also people are less cautious when there aren't real chips in front of them. Nor is there the fear of looking like an idiot in front of 9 other people online.

phantom_lord

pok3rplaya wrote:

Live poker should be handicapped like golf for people from Drogheda.

Being fom Dublin and living near Drogheda = +evns

roryc

I have an excel spreadsheet detailing exactly how much I win/ lose in poker. I tried to attach it to my earlier post, but it doesnt allow you to insert an excel file.

Here's a screenshot of the top of the sheet.

As you said, you aren't accusing anyone of lying, which is fair enough, but you have to understand that online just doesn't suit some people, me included. I would consider myself to be very successful live player, at the limits im playing at. I make the top 10% of about 80% of the live tourneys I play, and most people on here would know of the wins I have, as I record all of them on my blog.

Most people on here also know how much I have struggled with online over the past two years. I don't have the patience or desire to play online regularly, as I am consistently extremely unlucky on it, and go on tilt a lot easier than I would live. Also, I have no faith in my abilites online, and therefore don't venture up to the higher levels where I probably would make a profit.

I play at low limits online, and I invariably drown in the sea of fish... Im sure if I built up a bankroll of a few grand I could be profitable online, but tbh I just couldnt be arsed. I enjoy playing real poker, with real people, in a B&M cardroom. Online poker is not (for the most part) enjoyable.

I agree with you that most decent live players should be able to make the transition to online with ease, but I know a lot of very good players that had major trouble adjusting to online play. I think it is easier if you learn to play online. I was playing poker for two years before i went near online.

accensi0n

roryc wrote:

I think it is easier if you learn to play online. I was playing poker for two years before i went near online.

I'd say most people here started playing live first.

empirix

Well i was being honest, i played $1/2 cash games online, really some unbelievable bad beats(although yes you do play a lot more hands online), people just call with anything sometimes and you get stung on the turn and river cards - what can you do? This has prompted me to start a thread

aidankk

boredom costing me this year, i have no bankrool managment..

easy earner in stts 20 - 50 , but blow it in 5-10 10-20 LIMIT.. DONT ASK

Just cant stick with the stts as i find multitabling them to boaring...

Thinking of a new stratagy for bankrool managment , i.e. have none, just deposit directly to play larger mutli table tourneys.. in the 100-200 range.., i might see how that goes..

pok3rplaya

aidankk wrote:

boredom costing me this year, i have no bankrool managment..

easy earner in stts 20 - 50 , but blow it in 5-10 10-20 LIMIT.. DONT ASK

Just cant stick with the stts as i find multitabling them to boaring...

Thinking of a new stratagy for bankrool managment , i.e. have none, just deposit directly to play larger mutli table tourneys.. in the 100-200 range.., i might see how that goes..

Why don't you just transfer your money to me. At least then someone gets to make use of it.

smurph

Im down bout €2k this year. Have not been as good as last year at keeping records. Don't play online much at all because i work with a computer all day and just couldn't be ars*d going home and sitting there for a couple of hours playing.

Martin plays online a bit and does quite well, its a strange situation with the two of us, cause we split winnings. It certainly helps the down swing big time. It is very rarely that we both have mare of a night.

I am going to keep a note from January for a full year of how I am doing.

Was doing okayish, until the dreaded builders holidays, and being that I work for a Construction Company there was the free bar on the Friday night, copious amounts of alcohol (free), and then a cunning plan to hit the cash games in the Fitz, that night cost me €1,500. It's a pill that i found very hard to swallow, but when you self implode there is no one else to blame.

I have taken the hit, got up and look optimistically to the future, which includes a trip to Vegas in 3 weeks, yepee, yahoo!!!! so happy days

5starpool

For the last 12 months I am up 3700 from live play (1600 tournies, 2100 cash). This is not enough, but considering I went through a very bad spell from Feb-May (with small exceptions) I will take it.

Online I am probably down a few hundred but I don't play online that often to be honest. I was somewhat profitable from my Omaha online, but lost from playing various other bits and pieces. I don't keep online detailed records but considering the amount I play I don't think it is a consideration.

The scary thing though is the amount of money that I have actually wagered in the last 12 months (more than my before tax annual salary), but considering it is largely money out then money in this real number gives a false impression if you see what I mean.

peeko

read sig for cash games which is where my main concentration is at the moment. I've just realised I donk money off at the end of my session because I rarely want to leave to go to bed to get up for work the next morning, this has been a very profitable leak to have found.

I know it's not a lot of money, but the fact that is steadily rising has given me a great confidense boost. Hope I can keep it up.

Bandana boy

I am up 2800 from live (I rarely play live) but had 2 good nights in Cork
and up $3200 from Online
this was $9500 on line before weekend before last
I find i am terribly prone to tilt and swings in luck (i dropped 3200 in 16 mins that fateful saturday night playing 2-4 and was big fav in nearly every hand marginal fav in others) so instead of trying to build the bankroll as a lot of people suggest i cash at $2-3000 back down to 1 or 2 buy ins and if necessary reload
This has worked a lot better for me and if i had struck to my rules sat 2 weeks ago i would be $2-3000 better of right now

peeko

Bandana boy wrote:

I am up 2800 from live (I rarely play live) but had 2 good nights in Cork
and up $3200 from Online
this was $9500 on line before weekend before last
I find i am terribly prone to tilt and swings in luck (i dropped 3200 in 16 mins that fateful saturday night playing 2-4 and was big fav in nearly every hand marginal fav in others) so instead of trying to build the bankroll as a lot of people suggest i cash at $2-3000 back down to 1 or 2 buy ins and if necessary reload
This has worked a lot better for me and if i had struck to my rules sat 2 weeks ago i would be $2-3000 better of right now

Sounds like you know what you are doing but are lacking in discipline. At least you are aware of it and have found a nice work-around!

fuzzbox

Bandana boy wrote:

I am up 2800 from live (I rarely play live) but had 2 good nights in Cork
and up $3200 from Online
this was $9500 on line before weekend before last
I find i am terribly prone to tilt and swings in luck (i dropped 3200 in 16 mins that fateful saturday night playing 2-4 and was big fav in nearly every hand marginal fav in others) so instead of trying to build the bankroll as a lot of people suggest i cash at $2-3000 back down to 1 or 2 buy ins and if necessary reload
This has worked a lot better for me and if i had struck to my rules sat 2 weeks ago i would be $2-3000 better of right now

*covers mouth with hand to avoid sarky response*



who luvs ya baby.

accensi0n

smurph wrote:

Was doing okayish, until the dreaded builders holidays, and being that I work for a Construction Company..

I trust you have sent the dead of adherence back to the Construction Workers Pension Scheme with the seal or certificate of incorporation.
You guys are wrecking my head sending them in uncompleted.

Rnger

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

I wouldnt accuse anyone of lying, but I'm surprised at the amount of people who are saying they win live but lose online.
IMO if you are good enough to be a regular winner live, then you should find playing online to be an absolute doddle.

I lose online because I havent got a breathaliser installed yet. On top of that I just dont trust myself playing cash games online, I never seem to leave a table till I'm either to tired/bored to play on or have hit rock bottom (not the best of stratigies).
Bring on the stt's, I find it far easier to manage my money playing these. But then comes saturday night just to undo it all... I rarely feel like playing live when drunk but when online is just in the next room?

The cause AND solution to all of life's problems: alcohol.

smurph

accensi0n wrote:

I trust you have sent the dead of adherence back to the Construction Workers Pension Scheme with the seal or certificate of incorporation.
You guys are wrecking my head sending them in uncompleted.

of course;)