Golf GT When and where!

The_Magoo

Just wondering if this car has been released yet, and if so does any Iish dealers have them, would really like to bring a demo out for a spin, especially if it has the DSG box, seriously considering buying this car!

Henry Ford III

You just watch. The insurance market will make this car wholly unattractive.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Revenue had a pop too. They managed to get the RX-8 reclassified as a 2.6 litre (It's effectively a 1.3) on account of it's performance. I'd expect them to argue this TSI is equivalent to a 2.2 and up the VRT accordingly.

It won't be cheap to start with either.

bazz26

The_Magoo wrote:

Just wondering if this car has been released yet, and if so does any Iish dealers have them, would really like to bring a demo out for a spin, especially if it has the DSG box, seriously considering buying this car!

Nothing on the http://www.volkswagen.ie website about the GT version but http://www.carzone.ie have a price of just under €32k for the 1.4 GT with the DSG box. Only about €4k short of a GTi and the same price as a Skoda Octavia vRS. The GT will suit the Irish market though.

It will be interesting to see how insurance companies rate the 1.4 TSi engine though. It will be available in both 140bhp and 170bhp, the GT having the 170bhp version.

The_Magoo

Henry Ford III wrote:

You just watch. The insurance market will make this car wholly unattractive.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Revenue had a pop too. They managed to get the RX-8 reclassified as a 2.6 litre (It's effectively a 1.3) on account of it's performance. I'd expect them to argue this TSI is equivalent to a 2.2 and up the VRT accordingly.

It won't be cheap to start with either.

A 1.4 turbo is not new to the irish market, think back a bit,
Renault 5 Turbo 1.4
Fiat Punto Turbo 1.4
Fiat Uno Turbo 1.4
Diahatsu Charade 1.0 turbo
even now,
Toyota Glanza 1.3 turbo!
RX 8 is a very different beast as it is totally unconventional engine, Wankel Rotary, so its capacity cannot be measured accordingly. And Mazda agreed with them. VW are bring this car out for markets such as Ireland, France, Italy and Greece where larger engines are heavily taxed.

mloc123

The_Magoo wrote:

A 1.4 turbo is not new to the irish market, think back a bit,
Renault 5 Turbo 1.4
Fiat Punto Turbo 1.4
Fiat Uno Turbo 1.4
Diahatsu Charade 1.0 turbo
even now,
Toyota Glanza 1.3 turbo!
RX 8 is a very different beast as it is totally unconventional engine, Wankel Rotary, so its capacity cannot be measured accordingly. And Mazda agreed with them. VW are bring this car out for markets such as Ireland, France, Italy and Greece where larger engines are heavily taxed.

Exactly, also there was a supercharged, turbo 1litre micra back in the day. Tax was the same a any 1litre.

The_Magoo

Back to the point, anyone know if they are in the country yet?

Henry Ford III

mloc123 wrote:

Exactly, also there was a supercharged, turbo 1litre micra back in the day. Tax was the same a any 1litre.

I never heard of one of those.

The only other super/turbo charger combo engine I was aware of was on the Lancia S4.

Henry Ford III

The_Magoo wrote:

A 1.4 turbo is not new to the irish market, think back a bit,
Renault 5 Turbo 1.4
Fiat Punto Turbo 1.4
Fiat Uno Turbo 1.4
Diahatsu Charade 1.0 turbo
even now,
Toyota Glanza 1.3 turbo!
RX 8 is a very different beast as it is totally unconventional engine, Wankel Rotary, so its capacity cannot be measured accordingly. And Mazda agreed with them. VW are bring this car out for markets such as Ireland, France, Italy and Greece where larger engines are heavily taxed.

You may be right then Magoo.

The_Magoo

Henry Ford III wrote:

I never heard of one of those.

The only other super/turbo charger combo engine I was aware of was on the Lancia S4.

I believe it was called a SuperMicra or such.

Kimbot

Henry Ford III wrote:

I never heard of one of those.

The only other super/turbo charger combo engine I was aware of was on the Lancia S4.

Man they are little demons, had the pleasure of having a rip in one last year!!!

breanoh

The micra supercharged was only (as far as I know) available in Japan, and was called the Micta super turbo, you might get more info from www.micra.org.uk. I think it was also available in the mk2 Micra. The charade Turbo was some beast, and that even had a tax, insurance and fuel friendly 1.0L Turbo Diesel version (one in the fleet at the moment!) This golf sounds like it could be fun, esp. with the DSG 'box!

Kimbot

Turbo micra.... http://www.modifiedcars.com/cars/925.htm

RedorDead

The_Magoo wrote:

Back to the point, anyone know if they are in the country yet?

Definitely are. I saw two on a transporter the other day and there are 3/4 registered.

drdre

RedorDead wrote:

Definitely are. I saw two on a transporter the other day and there are 3/4 registered.

how do yoy know they were the new gt as it looks similar to gti styling.

Cyrus

there are noticeable differences not least the badge

R.O.R

RedorDead wrote:

Definitely are. I saw two on a transporter the other day and there are 3/4 registered.

Strange - I was talking to our VW dealer about these yesterday and he said the first ones for the Irish market are going in to production in Week 36.

endplate

bazz26 wrote:

It will be interesting to see how insurance companies rate the 1.4 TSi engine though. It will be available in both 140bhp and 170bhp, the GT having the 170bhp version.

I think you will find carzone have made a mistake saying there are 2 versions of the GT. Them bhp figures are the same as the 2L diesel. The 1.4 TSI is 168bhp only AFAIK

colm_mcm

how can a car (or 2 cars) be 3/4 registered?

HashSlinging

jonny24ie wrote:

Turbo micra.... http://www.modifiedcars.com/cars/925.htm

A guy in bray has one, well I seen him driving through bray, I burst into laughter when I seen it, but I have to say i'd love one as they look like a hoot to drive.

alias no.9

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=k10+super+turbo

lots of links to the twin charged micra

skibum

Henry Ford III wrote:

You just watch. The insurance market will make this car wholly unattractive.

Give your insurance company a call and see what they will quote you, that is if it is on their system. I would say that they will load this car, 1.4 with a supercharger and turbo.... I want one

omega man

endplate wrote:

I think you will find carzone have made a mistake saying there are 2 versions of the GT. Them bhp figures are the same as the 2L diesel. The 1.4 TSI is 168bhp only AFAIK

There will be 2 GT's. a 1.4 petrol 168 BHP and a diesel 2.0 168 BHP also.

Big Balls

drdre wrote:

how do yoy know they were the new gt as it looks similar to gti styling.

Eh they look nothing like the GTI from the pictures I've seen.

4,000 quid more for a far nicer packaged car.

colm_mcm

they have different bumpers, different grille, smaller alloys, a round steering wheel, and different seats. Wouldn't put me off though

Owen

Henry Ford III wrote:

I never heard of one of those.

The only other super/turbo charger combo engine I was aware of was on the Lancia S4.

Funnily enough, back in 1991 the Nissan Micra was available in Japan with both a Supercharger and a Turbocharger!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_Superturbo

RedorDead

colm_mcm wrote:

how can a car (or 2 cars) be 3/4 registered?

Chortle chortle. :rolleyes: I should have said 3 or 4 registered.

@ R.O.R

They went into production in the new model year back at the end of June. Maybe he hasnt any until cw 36?

dingding

I think there was a nissan cherry turbo available in the 80s aswell

neacy69

some pics and some info....http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/printer_1496.shtml

maidhc

With our current taxation regime and the current price of petrol and diesel it will be impossible to justify the 2.0 TDI over this engine.

If the fit it into the Passat they will have a serious winner, that neither Ford nor Toyota will be able to answer to.

pburns

maidhc wrote:

If the fit it into the Passat they will have a serious winner, that neither Ford nor Toyota will be able to answer to.

Hmmm... I don't see many Passat-type drivers (i.e. conservative flat-capped types) going for a 1.4 petrol. Would prefer it in a Golf myself TBH. It'll probably be available in the Jetta eventually, that's a 98%-scale Passat:)

I wouldn't mind a 1.6 with decent torque tuned to about 150 bhp in a Mondeo/Mazda 6 sized car (with all the tax/econonomy benefits).

bazz26

It would be interesting to see what the fuel consumption will be like on the 1.4 litre considering it has a turbo and supercharger. I'd also be interested in the maintenance costs in relation to what kind of life expectancy can be got from the turbo and supercharger.

Torque figures must be impressive though for an engine of that capacity.

maidhc

bazz26 wrote:

I'd also be interested in the maintenance costs in relation to what kind of life expectancy can be got from the turbo and supercharger.

The clutch on the supercharger looks like an obvious weakness.

Still, VW have to get this right or they will be ridiculed for years to come.

I think it is in the Jetta already. Surely the lower VRT will be enough for the conservative flat capped types to go for the 1.4.

I wonder if the recent talk of linking car tax to emissions is prompted by engines such as this?

colm_mcm

even with the lower VRT, A Jetta fitted with this engine would be more expensive than a Passat.

bazz26

Don't know how reliable http://www.carzone.ie is on this but they have the Golf 1.4 TFSi Sportline 5 door starting at just over €26k.

Not exactly cheap then.

colm_mcm

the Sportline is 140bhp? never heard of this model before TBH!

An overpricewd VW, whatever next?

bazz26

That seems to be the confusion. Could that be the 2.0 TDi or a 140bhp version of the 1.4 TSi petrol?

colm_mcm

It'll hardly be a diesel at that price.

mloc123

pburns wrote:

I wouldn't mind a 1.6 with decent torque tuned to about 150 bhp in a Mondeo/Mazda 6 sized car (with all the tax/econonomy benefits).

Its not all that easy to squeeze 150bhp out of a 1.6, I know levins and Type-Rs manage near 200bhp but any 1.6 tuned that high usually depends on low torque and very high revs which is no good in a bigger heavier car.

As for fuel econemy, a 150bhp 2litre and a 150bhp 1.6 will probably do the same mpg.

People in Ireland are scabby, difference between a 1.6 and 2.0 on tax is about €200/year...not exactly gonna break the bank.

cyborg

People in Ireland are scabby, difference between a 1.6 and 2.0 on tax is about €200/year...not exactly gonna break the bank.[/QUOTE]

The tax difference is only €148 a year ,yet everyone dismisses 2L petrol cars as being mad expensive to run .Difference in petrol consumption isn't even that great in most family saloons which struggle with 1.6's .

mloc123

Very true on the petrol. My previous car was a 1.6 megane, current car is a 2.0 206 and both give about the same mpg 30-35. If anything I think the 206 might be a bit easier on petrol.

FX Meister

Love the boost gauge on the dash. I'd prefer a GTi myself though.

smash

I'd rather pay the extra 4k for the GTI and get the extra 30bhp and the nicer kit.

colm_mcm

steve06 wrote:

I'd rather pay the extra 4k for the GTI and get the extra 30bhp and the nicer kit.

The GT will be the winner second hand though.

alias no.9

http://motoring.independent.co.uk/road_tests/article1206620.ece

HashSlinging

I like the GT, I'd say the turbo whistle will be great, got to remember that this is VW's first attempt at this, I presume smaller yet even more powerful engines will arrive soon, as I read in autocar diesel R&D will cease in VW this year, and all resources are to be transferred into petrol R&D.

But I think i'll wait for this to appear on other VAG cars, in particular the Seat leon.

JohnBoy

HashSlinging wrote:

I like the GT, I'd say the turbo whistle will be great, got to remember that this is VW's first attempt at this, I presume smaller yet even more powerful engines will arrive soon, as I read in autocar diesel R&D will cease in VW this year, and all resources are to be transferred into petrol R&D.

But I think i'll wait for this to appear on other VAG cars, in particular the Seat leon.

end diesel RnD?????

alias no.9

JohnBoy wrote:

end diesel RnD?????

They'll probably just licence common rail technology rather than persisting with developing pumpe deuse. Both offer the power advantages but common rail is light years ahead for refinement.

copacetic

according to the times yesterday the 140BHP version of this will be €25,100 and the 170BHP version €30,275. Both petrol.
this seems very good value to me, especially the 140BHP version, anyone not think so?
Although according to carzone the 1.4 with 140BHP verison of the engine will be in a sportline with
no GT badging..

HashSlinging

Thats very good. Gonna ring a few dealers.

cyborg

HashSlinging wrote:

Thats very good. Gonna ring a few dealers.

Let us know how yuo get on.

I can't understand how the 170 bhp version is a massive 5k more.
I'll bet the 140 can be chipped to 170 easily enough,the basic engine is the same ,maybee the turbo is bigger?
so is the extra 5k just for the higher spec alloys trim etc?
the 140 looks like the wiser buy to me.....

copacetic

cyborg wrote:

Let us know how yuo get on.

I can't understand how the 170 bhp version is a massive 5k more.
I'll bet the 140 can be chipped to 170 easily enough,the basic engine is the same ,maybee the turbo is bigger?
so is the extra 5k just for the higher spec alloys trim etc?
the 140 looks like the wiser buy to me.....

it's a lot extra but the cheaper one just looks like a normal golf, 5k extra for the GT badging, nose, all the other bits and pieces and lowered suspension is a lot but would hold it's value?