Nitro Question.?

vectra

But all answers gladly accepted..:D

OK
I spoke with your friend * Noel Barret * on the phone just now about nitro in stock.

This is what he has

15% Coolpower
25% coolpower

20% Coolpower HELI
30% Coolpower HELI.. :eek:

Guess which one I want..:rolleyes:

Anyway.
The Heli stuff he reccomended to help keep the Engines cool as he said that a heli engine is enclosed and needs this to keep it cool so would be suited to the TRX engines.


He said the Heli ones are all Syntethic
I looked on the Morgan website and saw this chart

Morgan fuel blends

I notice the 20% nitro one is quoted as being
20% Nitro
20% Lube
Viscosity Ultra High ( what does the viscosity part mean? )

The 30% has
30% nitro
22% Lube
and
Viscosity LOW..!


Now the good part about these fuels is that I can buy them locally and at €30 a gallon... :eek:

That is Half what I paid for the 20% Tornado and had to drive to Limerick :cool:

Plug

Thats good value, same as what I pay;)

vectra

Plug wrote:

Thats good value, same as what I pay;)

I know.
and that is for the Model Technics 16% ... Plus.. I would have to drive 60 Miles to Waterford for the MT16%.. whereas I only have to drive 22 miles for this stuff..;)

SLIM19198

Isnt Viscosity the thickness?

Which means, higher viscosity, less flow (like treacle?)

SLIM19198

Why cant they post the friggin stuff? Im sure there would be a country wide courrier willing to travel with the stuff!!

Plug

SLIM19198 wrote:

Isnt Viscosity the thickness?

Which means, higher viscosity, less flow (like treacle?)

Yeap;)

vectra

SLIM19198 wrote:

Why cant they post the friggin stuff? Im sure there would be a country wide courrier willing to travel with the stuff!!

What do you need a carrier for ?
its only down the road from you..


So you are saying the 30% would be better as it is LOW viscosity?

However
It may be that way when cold but look at the temps these engines reach?

Heat up some treacle in a pot on the oven and watch that stuff flow like water..

SLIM19198

I need a carrier as I dont like noel barrats and would prefer 20% tornado!

as for the temp the engines reach, that aint the problem, its the flow to the engine, more compression would be used to force it up the fuel line!!!

As to wether or not this affects performance, I dont have a clue :P

vectra

SLIM19198 wrote:

I need a carrier as I dont like noel barrats and would prefer 20% tornado!

as for the temp the engines reach, that aint the problem, its the flow to the engine, more compression would be used to force it up the fuel line!!!

As to wether or not this affects performance, I dont have a clue :P

Well unless Halfords open up in Cork I am afraid that Limerick is the closest to you.

Now
at €60 a gallon and a drive to limerick
I think I would prefer to hand Noel €30 and get fuel that would be as good if not better.

There is a buddy of mine it the UK.
HUGE into TRX engines. absolutely swears by them
Said that he trashed two trx engines and it was deffo down to using Tornado fuel..:o

I must admit.. There is a lovely smell off it when the tmaxx passes by..

Plug

You can buy smells to mix in with the nitro fuel, strawberry and the whole lot:)

vectra

Plug wrote:

You can buy smells to mix in with the nitro fuel, strawberry and the whole lot:)

Mmm.
Imagine the smell of Cheese and onion passing by

coolwings

Nice smell is probably down to the use of Castor Oil in the fuel. All racing bean oils smell really nice when they come out of the exhaust with a roar :-)

A good synthetic will lube and cool better than castor, but only a good one.

But if you overheat your engine for any reason (30% nitro ?) the synthetic gives less protection than castor while the ultra hight temp is reached.

Coolpower is a good fuel, but we prefer Model Technics (the Go Glo Plus blend) mainly because it is €30 a true gallon container but the coolpower is a much smaller bottle for about the same price. So we consider Coolpower a bit dear. Good tho. Did Noel mention Omega? I heard he was doing that also.

But Tornado - well that breaks all price records! That price is unjustified, except on the basis of what people may pay in the time before they are pushed out of the hobby. The "churn em and burn em policy".

I would expect you will find that any heli fuel gives similar results as "car" fuel, when you use it. Why don't you try some?

vectra

coolwings wrote:

Nice smell is probably down to the use of Castor Oil in the fuel. All racing bean oils smell really nice when they come out of the exhaust with a roar :-)

A good synthetic will lube and cool better than castor, but only a good one.

But if you overheat your engine for any reason (30% nitro ?) the synthetic gives less protection than castor while the ultra hight temp is reached.

Coolpower is a good fuel, but we prefer Model Technics (the Go Glo Plus blend) mainly because it is €30 a true gallon container but the coolpower is a much smaller bottle for about the same price. So we consider Coolpower a bit dear. Good tho. Did Noel mention Omega? I heard he was doing that also.

But Tornado - well that breaks all price records! That price is unjustified, except on the basis of what people may pay in the time before they are pushed out of the hobby. The "churn em and burn em policy".

I would expect you will find that any heli fuel gives similar results as "car" fuel, when you use it. Why don't you try some?

No,
I dont think he mentioned Omega..

So, Maybe I try a gallon of 20% ?

You see the main reason for going down this road is convenience.
If I could get the 20% Blue Thunder race Formula local then that is the one I would buy.


Actually.
I do have a friend that has some 15% (green) Coolpower.
I might get a couple of tankfulls to try.;)

SLIM19198

I bought omega from noel last year for my tmaxx, ran ok!!!

As for knowing about monster trucks, one of his guys recommended I never run more than 5%, as I could damage the engine!!!!

He was shocked when I said it suggested running 20%!

vectra

SLIM19198 wrote:

I bought omega from noel last year for my tmaxx, ran ok!!!

As for knowing about monster trucks, one of his guys recommended I never run more than 5%, as I could damage the engine!!!!

He was shocked when I said it suggested running 20%!

LOL
Just as well I didnt go in looking for 25% so then. He would have Keeled over with shock :eek:

SLIM19198

yo vectra, you wouldnt have any spare revo engine mount screws?

I need one long one, the type used to adjust the engine mesh

Brother has lost one of em, engine wont sit still!

vectra

SLIM19198 wrote:

yo vectra, you wouldnt have any spare revo engine mount screws?

I need one long one, the type used to adjust the engine mesh

Brother has lost one of em, engine wont sit still!

You talking about the ones circled here?
If so.
Sorry I dont as I didnt get any news ones with the 3.3.. i had to use the old engine mount.:(

SLIM19198

yeah, they are the ones
3x28mm

modelsport are out of them and I dont want to go to the hassle of tower hobbies for them!

vectra

Could you not get something in an engineering shop ?
or somewhere like that?

Maybe your "friend" :rolleyes: Noel Barret might have something?

SLIM19198

Noel didnt have engine head screws, so I doubt if he has engine mount screws!

vectra

SLIM19198 wrote:

Noel didnt have engine head screws, so I doubt if he has engine mount screws!

What about that shop in Waterford?
they would post them to you ?

SLIM19198

I dont know the shop in waterford!

I found a UK site with them in stock :
http://www.microtechracing.com/code/products.asp?recid=7808&subcatid=215
£2.08 for the screws
£9 for delivery to south Ireland :O
This is just taking the piss!!

Might try and get them delivered to the sister in london and forwarded, would take an extra 2 days but would be a hell of a lot cheaper (£1 to ship to uk mainland)

vectra

SLIM19198 wrote:

I dont know the shop in waterford!

I found a UK site with them in stock :
http://www.microtechracing.com/code/products.asp?recid=7808&subcatid=215
£2.08 for the screws
£9 for delivery to south Ireland :O
This is just taking the piss!!

Might try and get them delivered to the sister in london and forwarded, would take an extra 2 days but would be a hell of a lot cheaper (£1 to ship to uk mainland)

I cant find their webpage right now but a quick search in the phone book turned this up
Model Centre The 73a Johnstown Waterford 051 876262

zt-OctaviaN

Slim wheres Modelsport?

You could try ModelWorld in Galway for them screws.

Failing that I have order stuff from www.jespares.com
there based in england have tonnes of stuff! £4 stering for postage.

Nick

SLIM19198

SLIM19198 wrote:

I dont know the shop in waterford!

I found a UK site with them in stock :
http://www.microtechracing.com/code/products.asp?recid=7808&subcatid=215
£2.08 for the screws
£9 for delivery to south Ireland :O
This is just taking the piss!!

Might try and get them delivered to the sister in london and forwarded, would take an extra 2 days but would be a hell of a lot cheaper (£1 to ship to uk mainland)

I emailed microtech yesterday, compalining about the price, and here is the response:

MICROTECH EMAIL wrote:

Hi,

That is a generic charge, and had to include the shipping cost for a bodyshell. We can ship a pack of screws to you for £1.30. If you want to order please do so online (with the charge) and we will refund the difference when we process the transaction.

Regards,

Customer Support

Microtech Racing Ltd
Tel: 01793 611933
Fax: 01793 611810
http://www.microtechracing.com

So am happy to use them this time!!!

Thanx for the replies lads, should be bashing soon enough!

coolwings

SLIM19198 wrote:

...I found a UK site with them in stock ...£2.08 for the screws
£9 for delivery to south Ireland :O
This is just taking the piss!!

Might try and get them delivered to the sister in london and forwarded, would take an extra 2 days but would be a hell of a lot cheaper (£1 to ship to uk mainland)

That seems to be a very complicated way of doing things.
An Irish car supplier would have them to you, 48c postage, the next day.
Why go abroad for something as simple as screws?
Not to save money - since they cost less in Ireland than abroad.

SLIM19198

The only reason is that they are traxxas parts, and not many irish suppliers stock traxxas parts!

SLIM19198

Yo coolwings, any chance of having a work with greehobby and asking them to become the Irish traxxas representative?

Would be handy for all us bashers out there!

Plug

I was thinking of that today aswel, good idea;)

vectra

Plug wrote:

I was thinking of that today aswel, good idea;)

Thats Ironic... So was I ..:rolleyes:

coolwings

SLIM19198 wrote:

The only reason is that they are traxxas parts, and not many irish suppliers stock traxxas parts!

I thought of that too, but I (I'm guessing here) think if you went into the likes of Noel Barrett (decent model shop who doesn't do Traxxas AFAIK) and ask "Do you have Traxxas part number 12345 he will say "sorry,can't help"
But if instead, you were to say I have a Traxxas engine and need cylinder head mounting bolts, they're steel, M3 thread, socket or philips head, and 30mm long. I bet he would say " Hey that's the same as the OS or whatever make, I have some here...."

See what I mean.
these models all have 80% generic parts that are the same from make to make.
It's usually only the moulded plastic, or formed steel parts , that are unique from any particulare model.

SLIM19198

fair enough on the screws, but what about engine mounts, shocks, shock towers, a-arms.......

coolwings

SLIM19198 wrote:

Yo coolwings, any chance of having a work with greehobby and asking them to become the Irish traxxas representative?
Would be handy for all us bashers out there!

I know that there were talks had last year. It looked good, and then it all fell through for some reason.

I'll see Patrick in there tomorrow & ask him what happened.

coolwings

SLIM19198 wrote:

fair enough on the screws, but what about engine mounts, shocks, shock towers, a-arms.......

Yeah - it would be handy. At the moment we can get some bits from a european Traxxas agent . But they're not all already on the shelf which is what would be handier.

SLIM19198

nice one for following up on it coolwings!

Noel down here said that thre is no market for the cars and trucks, and he only sells like 2 versions on the CEN onroad that he would have to order in if someone wanted one!

coolwings

coolwings wrote:

I'll see Patrick in there tomorrow & ask him what happened.

Just off the phone - turns out it was due to customer committments still in place with CEN .
CARSON are the main supported brand for Green Hobby, and at the time CEN were the number two.
The Green Hobby & Model customer support policy is that replacement parts are kept in stock for 24 months after sale of whole boxed cars, and the CEN parts committment was still in place last year so it was premature to add Traxxas as number two.
Storage space is limited and incurs rental costs.
To have a complete backup service with proper amounts of parts permanently in stock means that a maximum of two brands be supported. (There are some parts for other makes there too)
Last year it was Carson and CEN.
Next year will be CARSON and a new brand, but wouldnt confirm it would be Traxxas at this time.
He did confirm Traxxas are on the list, for what it's worth.

coolwings

SLIM19198 wrote:

nice one for following up on it coolwings!

Noel down here said that thre is no market for the cars and trucks, and he only sells like 2 versions on the CEN onroad that he would have to order in if someone wanted one!

That would appear to be a straight up reply.
He is a professional and would know well how much spares backup counts for in these kinds of model - and by limiting the makes sold, he can have proper backup for the ones he sells.

SLIM19198

Any chance of getting a poll started on the greenhobby site about which car parts to stock ?

Plug

Speaking of traxxas and model shops, I was in Waterford today but he only stocks a few parts for traxxas like the most likely to break etc. I picked up 2 upper suspention arms and 2 glow plugs, handy to keep around the place.

Anyway if you ever did stock traxxas coolwings it would be handy for all the Dubland traxxas racers, better than getting ripped off in planet fun.

coolwings

SLIM19198 wrote:

Any chance of getting a poll started on the greenhobby site about which car parts to stock ?

Might be .... I'll find out and come back.

g5hn710m4xpdwy

isnt it possible to only keep like a truck or 2 from traxxas "on the shelf" and a box of spares like under the desk then have all teh rest of the models and parts stored upstairs? (if youre able to store stuff up tehre)

Plug

Right then I got this stuff a while back and tryed it on my engine, it over heated and wouldn't drive:( Anyone use this stuff? What are your views on it? Did it overheat or anything happen that shouldn't have to your engine? Could it be just because maybe my engine had an air leak?
I need to use this stuff as I only have a tiny bit in my normal stuff dyno glow 16%:( Please help:)

coolwings

I never actually used Quickfire.
But I have made up fuels for racing that were very close in characteristics.
the strange thing is (assuming the nitro is the same):
engines should run cooler on quickfire than on dynaglow

So if you had Dynaglo 16% nitro 10% oil and no overheating
and then you used quickfire 16% 18% oil and got overheating,
I would guess that was the time when when your air seal gave up and this caused the overheating and not the fuel.

But a possible alternative is that the greater oil content of the new fuel fooled you into tuning it leaner to get the engine back up to the temperature you were used to with the earlier mix - and it just got a tad too lean?

It's all assumptions of course. But hopefully you can sense which fits the circumstances the best and figure it out.

Plug

I richened it but it keep overheating even tho its just idling. The model shop dude said it should actually cool it better than dynaglow, so maybe i'm looking at the reasons of maybe it had an airleak. I'll try it tomorrow and see how I get on.
Thanks for the help;)

vectra

It must have been the airleak that caused it.
I cant see how two 16% fuels from the same company could make that much of a difference ( I know they will have different mixes etc specifically for that purpose)
My problem with 16% MT was the Revo just refused to run on it.. Now the 3.3 will fly with the stuff.:rolleyes:

Plug

Yeah I'm going to put it down to an airleak and hope for the best.

vectra

Plug wrote:

Yeah I'm going to put it down to an airleak and hope for the best.

One tankfull should tell the story..

Plug

Exactly what I'll try;)

g5hn710m4xpdwy

twas the air leak

Plug

Tryed it and ffs:D Its rocket fuel, its way better than dynoglow, big difference in them:O Its only a few euro dearer aswel.

Plug

Vectra, you should try this stuff, model technics quikfire 16%, Its very quick:eek: