there will never be a good band in Dublin City..

ape

there will never be a good band in Dublin City..
cuz ya all wnt to play like OASIS, COLDPLAY, the STROKES, G'N R, or some really bad singer/songwriter ****..there will never be a good band here again..the last one was My bloody valentine..after them there were only cowards/lovin brit****..(except very few bands that I probably never heard of)..I wanted to start a band here..but not any more..I'd rather play myself till the end of my life than colaborate with cowards..the scariest thing is that even the young musicians are cowards.."hi, I'm 17 and I'd like to play something like the white stripes/ arctic monkeys/red hot chilli/foo fighters/the strokes/the top musicians/ the whatever sh.t that's cool and trendy and old school/ new school of rock ..
that makes me sick..and I'm really sorry about it
wheres yer curiousity
wheres yer courage
wheres yer FREEDOM
where are your guts to do something interesting/unique..???!!!

big .uck you to all of ya pretenters
no regards, ape

Beastieboy

For fcuk sake. There's plenty of talent out their..... It's harmless to list a few bands that interest you to attract fellow musicians with similar interests, it doesn't mean that we want to sit on our holes covering and ripping of these musicians, its just a jumping off point..... and whether there is ever a note worthy band in Dublin city again is in the hands of any decent musician that roams these streets. In my eyes and ears the music scene in Dublin doesn't appear so healthy (putting it lightly) but its only a matter of time before the scene and sounds pick up

with kind regards Beastieboy

shredmaster777

Beastieboy wrote:

In my eyes and ears the music scene in Dublin doesn't appear so healthy (putting it lightly) but its only a matter of time before the scene and sounds pick up

with kind regards Beastieboy

Same goes for Dublin's property market.

LooooooooooooooooL

eddyc

Yeah man new music isn't created in a vacuum, its a heritage. People build on their influences and put their own spin on it, if you have something truelly original though I'd love to hear it (maybe I'll rip you off )

shredmaster777

What band did YOU want to form ape?

Nidge

ape wrote:

there will never be a good band in Dublin City..
cuz ya all wnt to play like OASIS, COLDPLAY, the STROKES, G'N R, or some really bad singer/songwriter ****..there will never be a good band here again..the last one was My bloody valentine..after them there were only cowards/lovin brit****..(except very few bands that I probably never heard of)..I wanted to start a band here..but not any more..I'd rather play myself till the end of my life than colaborate with cowards..the scariest thing is that even the young musicians are cowards.."hi, I'm 17 and I'd like to play something like the white stripes/ arctic monkeys/red hot chilli/foo fighters/the strokes/the top musicians/ the whatever sh.t that's cool and trendy and old school/ new school of rock ..
that makes me sick..and I'm really sorry about it
wheres yer curiousity
wheres yer courage
wheres yer FREEDOM
where are your guts to do something interesting/unique..???!!!

big .uck you to all of ya pretenters
no regards, ape

Where's "yer" spelling and grammar?

Patricide

To be honest you have a point, but then again as people have said music doesnt come from a vacume its built on influences. Besides that anything new that comes out theese days is instantly slandered.

I mean look at linkin park, somthing new and refreshing and they got water bottles thrown at them.

Bitsie

Ape your a big f**king sap!!

phantom pooper

your irrational, un-thought through arguments remind me of:



im just curious... what kind of music do you like?

miju

Beastieboy wrote:

For fcuk sake. There's plenty of talent out their..... It's harmless to list a few bands that interest you to attract fellow musicians with similar interests, it doesn't mean that we want to sit on our holes covering and ripping of these musicians, its just a jumping off point..... and whether there is ever a note worthy band in Dublin city again is in the hands of any decent musician that roams these streets. In my eyes and ears the music scene in Dublin doesn't appear so healthy (putting it lightly) but its only a matter of time before the scene and sounds pick up

with kind regards Beastieboy

would have to agree , i personally dont think the music scene in ireland is healthy in any way shape or form , there's plenty of back slappers out there who say it is , but to me it seems to in dire needs of a cattle prod to the goolies ,

bands have gotten lazier , promoters have gotten lazier and as a result the gig going public have gotten lazier IMHO and it all adds up to a very unhealthy scene

there's some very good / original bands out there [ur=http://www.noisecontrol.ie]Noise Control[/url] take a bow and there others who while ther'ye music is not original they're very good and entertaining at what they do and can make for a good night out / qaulity CD

personally don't think it will pick up anytime soon but i REALLY hope it does , if you look at oxegen new band tent this year there was very little / no independant bands involved from ireland , this is something fmc , imro or someone should have been harping to mcd about but in reality there's currently not many bands out there that deserve an oxegen slot

anyway rant over , as you were LOL

ps: to the OP, grow up , how do similiar syles musicians get together if they dont put down influences? can you imagine metaller and a mod meeting up in rehearsal for first time two completely different styles and have absolutely no interest in each others music AND you must be one cocky motha / extremely confident in your music to slate the bands you have whose songs are held highly in regard as a great example of qaulity music that in all liklihood would piss all over anything you or I could create

shredmaster777

The amateur band scene in Dublin IS boring!
Plenty of indie rockers and metallers and very, very few of them are good.
It's almost like they were in those bands just for a sake of it

Need prove? Check out my ad and the demo:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054947818
The music we want to play is different from what's going on in Dublin's scene and requires some skills.

We've been looking for people for almost 2 months now. We only found a 2nd guitarist (whom we didn't look for and he's not Irish btw.

There you go.

herbieflowers

aren't most bands from Ireland who are decent not living in Ireland / have "made it" in England / other places anyway?

clay

ape wrote:

My bloody valentine..

i love those guys... loveless is like sooo cool

lets start a band!!

miju

herbieflowers wrote:

aren't most bands from Ireland who are decent not living in Ireland / have "made it" in England / other places anyway?

nope gotta disagree , take republic of loose (who are a ****ing savage band btw) as an example , doing very well selling cd's / gigs here around ireland but in the uk there no-where near as well known afaik

of course there's humanzi who signed to a majot in the uk BUT i wouldn't neccesarily class them as having made it by any stretch of the imagination , then there's roy seven (formerly jove) who ****ed off to germany after the olympia thing and from what i have heard haven't really made any big waves there and are planning a "homecoming" gig shortly

if your good it helps LOT'S but it's still a bit of a lotto IMHO

Savman

shredmaster777 wrote:

The amateur band scene in Dublin IS boring!

Aint that the truth

ape

all I wanted was to finally read something interesting here, to piss somebody off, I wanted someone to give me a proof that I'm wrong..kind of a provocation
I must admit that I'm nearly satisfied..
I truly believe that there is good music out there/somewhere/in this city..
music that I haven't got a chance to listen to..but WHERE IS IT?! where are the people that are making interesting music(that is,offcourse, influenced but not ripped)?!
I know I offended a lot of you guys/no regrets
but I'm thankfull that some of you expressed their feelings and thoughts and nearly prooved I'm wrong..

Beastieboy

LoL......fair enough

Your post was definitely provocative.

If you seriously want to form a band you should post it, there are definitely some decent committed musicians out there..... (unfortunately some of them fall through the cracks).....

bassist

ape wrote:

there will never be a good band in Dublin City..
cuz ya all wnt to play like OASIS, COLDPLAY, the STROKES, G'N R, or some really bad singer/songwriter ****..there will never be a good band here again..the last one was My bloody valentine..after them there were only cowards/lovin brit****..(except very few bands that I probably never heard of)..I wanted to start a band here..but not any more..I'd rather play myself till the end of my life than colaborate with cowards..the scariest thing is that even the young musicians are cowards.."hi, I'm 17 and I'd like to play something like the white stripes/ arctic monkeys/red hot chilli/foo fighters/the strokes/the top musicians/ the whatever sh.t that's cool and trendy and old school/ new school of rock ..
that makes me sick..and I'm really sorry about it
wheres yer curiousity
wheres yer courage
wheres yer FREEDOM
where are your guts to do something interesting/unique..???!!!

big .uck you to all of ya pretenters
no regards, ape

you have to be one of the narrow minded, up his own arse, un-educated, ignorant, arrogant, spinless dick heads ive ever had the misfortune to encounter!
I didn't think people like you excist.
Really I thought people like you were urban myth's.
In the immortal words of Bill Hicks "kill yourself. your fcuked and your fcuking us, please kill yourself"

Crumble Froo

come on, youve got to be joking me!! as far as cover bands and that goes, yeah, of course bands will be playing contemporary popular stuff, because you get gigs by making crowds happy, and crowds are happy when they hear their favourite songs at the moment. not only that, but if you want to learn stuff, the best place to look is to the masters. you mentioned the chillis in your post... lets face it, if you wana improve your bass skills, its a good band to learn. similarly, if you wana improve your guitar skills, guns n roses is a good place to go.

personally, im in a band myself, and i think that we write some pretty good music because we have such diverse musical interests. one member loves cheesy 80s stuff/hairmetal, another loves emo stuff, another loves acoustic-y stuff and female singers, another loves punk.... together, we have our own style, and we've been told it sounds pretty good.

one dublin band i love (i think they are from dublin anyway) are Chewing On Tinfoil. they are really good, and that style of bass playing isnt very common in mainstream music, its not a style im familiar with, and i listen to f**king everything!!

jcoote

so ape whats a good band then foo fighters/the strokes

these guys write catchy songs that have **** all **** all **** all substance

if u tried to form a band with that kinda basis your shooting yourself in the foot by posting your original post.

i do agree with the **** bands in dublin things ,but unless u are doing something or even aiming towards something imaginative i suggest u start listening to other bands and becoming influenced by people who are not afraid to break the mould and do something that requires curiosity, courage and freedom.

cos the bands there have a few good lyrics and thats it no substance i tells u

Beastieboy

bassist wrote:

you have to be one of the narrow minded, up his own arse, un-educated, ignorant, arrogant, spinless dick heads ive ever had the misfortune to encounter!
I didn't think people like you excist.
Really I thought people like you were urban myth's.
In the immortal words of Bill Hicks "kill yourself. your fcuked and your fcuking us, please kill yourself"

just a little over the top i think......

Bitsie

Ape if you think you know it all about the bands in Dublin then start your own band without any influences and lets see how far you get, im in a band and we may not be the best band in the world but we work hard and are good at what we do and please the crowd....at least we are out there doing it.....what are you doing about it??? Arsehole!

miju

guys relax and tone it down a little will ye , i know ape came out with some outlandish statements but they're his opinion and you can't be calling him an arsehole etc for saying what he thinks

clay

of all the local bands i've seen over the years only 2 genuinely impressed me... they both got signed up real quick

the fact that the scene is so weak just means that anyone with real talent sticks out a mile, the rest are just trying their best but realistically going nowhere... and there's nothing wrong with that, its just the way it is and the way it always has been

miju

GaRtH V , i spefically asked people not to do what you done , please dont do it again

clay wrote:

the fact that the scene is so weak just means that anyone with real talent sticks out a mile

as much as it pains me to say it , sometimes it's not even the ones with real talent who stick out a mile , if yer mediocre at best odds are slightly in your favor

shredmaster777

I kinda understand this guy. I'm getting pissed off too 'coz I can't find suitable people for my project. It's really fecking frustrating. You're trying to do something new, interesting and a bit more advanced than the stuff around and you can't!
Thank God for all virtual instruments but it's just not the same as working with other people

clay

miju wrote:

if yer mediocre at best odds are slightly in your favor

i'd agree to an extent, it doesn't take that much to put you ahead of a fairly dismal pack but thats not the same as being what i'd call a good band, of which there have only ever been a handfull in this or any other town (u2, my bloody valentine...a few others)

to the OP i'd say given the lack of quality opposition, get out there and prove yourself wrong....

Ain't no use in complainin'
When you got a job to do
Spent my evenin's down at the drive-in
And that's when I met you YEH!

RAIN

Why are people hagging on about how **** all singer songwriters are in ireland just cus everyones is pissed at damien rice for making it doesent mean others shouldnt get a chance all bands have singer songwriters in them so instead of calling them all **** just say damo rice wnabies are ****e !!! they were here before he made it and some of the best songs in the world are done by solo singer songwriters pisses me off !! we are not ALL ****

miju

i personally think (and i'm sure alot of others too) that most singer / songwriters sound the same , sure there's little nuances and differences but nothing major in the vast majority of them IMHO

there's some good ones out there but they again are few and far between (Ben Glover being one that comes to mind and Jinx Lennon another who is good and original IMO) but there's ALOT of "have a go heroes" who to be blunt are just tripe , of course your welcome to prove me wrong but i would challenge you to find me 5 singer / songwriters who are good AND don't sound the same as each other , it's a hard thing to do when you consider most of them are just armed with an acoustic

RAIN

nick drake
neil young
sufjan stephens
devandra banhart
Beck
jeff magnum
johnny cash
elvis

the fnj

While I don’t agree with his tone, I do agree with some of the sentiments of the original poster, the Dublin music scene is full of back slappers. Unless there is a collective attitude adjustment it’s a scene that will never go anywhere, people are under the impression that because they’ve written forty minutes worth of material and all their friends say it’s deadly they deserve a record contract and it’s the record labels that are wrong.

The one group that sums up the problems with the Dublin music scene more than any other is Gigsmart, while I applaud them for trying to create a scene and for creating buzz around their bands, they can be so far removed from reality it’s shocking. A few years ago there was a post about Oxegen on their website and one of their head people (I can’t remember who it was) suggested Oxegen would be better if they replaced David Gray with some Gigsmart singer songwriter and replaced Coldplay with MGS. I’m sorry but this guy is living in a cook coo clock if he seriously thinks a band like MGS (who I think are ok) could be thrown up on the main stage instead of an internationally known band like Coldplay. Don’t get me wrong I don’t care for Coldplay but this is representative of the collective attitude in Dublin, how could a band who only the crowd at Voodoo lounge know compete on stage against a band playing songs familiar to everybody at the festival. If anybody would like to shed some light on this I’d be delighted.

I’m not trying to have a go at Gigsmart but for me they are the Socialist Workers Party of the music scene, hearts in the right place and lots of enthusiasm but at the end of the day they completely miss the point and fail to see the bigger picture.

My favourite old bitter chestnut is “if Nirvana were Irish they would have never been signed and would have never made an international impact”, what a load of crap and if you agree with that statement you don’t understand the music industry, you don’t understand fashion and you don’t understand what a music scene is. A quick reality check for everyone playing in a band, if you’re band is brilliantly original, and is writing really great songs you will be signed, there is absolutely no question about it, if a band is good enough they will be signed by a record label and they will be given a platform to launch an international carrier, anybody who thinks differently is a fool.

Wow this is getting very off topic.

miju

the fnj wrote:

I’m not trying to have a go at Gigsmart but for me they are the Socialist Workers Party of the music scene, hearts in the right place and lots of enthusiasm but at the end of the day they completely miss the point and fail to see the bigger picture.

LOL , a very apt description of Gigsmart (to a decent extent anyway)

@rain: when i said gimme a list i didn't mean famous / gizzilion platiunum selling artists , i meant a list in the context of this thread that consists of irish singer / songwriters who don't sound the same and are not yet "established" so to speak

RAIN

Your rite they do all sound the same but so do all the bad dublin bands , all you here are falsettos and junior cert agnsty lyrics OR even worse pre madonna frontment talking **** and throwing shapes ahem

teamdresch

shredmaster777 wrote:

We've been looking for people for almost 2 months now. We only found a 2nd guitarist (whom we didn't look for and he's not Irish btw.

Maybe that's because you're looking for a bass player with one string too many.

miju

there's nothing wrong with throwing shapes on stage BUT you gotta have the music to back it up

shredmaster777

teamdresch wrote:

Maybe that's because you're looking for a bass player with one string too many.

We were also looking for singer and keyboard player! We couldn't find them either.
And the fact that - according to you - we should be looking for a 4 string player, only proves the point that many people here are making :cool:

Trev M

An interesting read. Just thought Id throw my few cent in here.

[snip]
Suffice to say we run a lot and Ive seen hundreds of irish bands, why do we bother? Well Im genuinely enthusiastic about listening to whats goin on out there. Im under no illusions as to what the pool of talent is ...after five/six years Ive a fair idea. There are some really well worth payin to see bands out there for sure. Last CPU gig I went to was free , 4 bands , all pretty reasonable , it was free and feck all people bothered? Thats dissappointing considering every week you see this type of thread. If you want decent bands your gonna have to actively seek them out.

Here's a couple of points to consider.

Most amature bands in Dublin gigging at the moment ARE NOT up to professional standard and have a huge distance to go. [snip] Very rarely a band will come along that manages to develop an opportunity for themsleves to perhaps make a career or at least a small bit of a living, usually this involve a huge amount of graft and a lot putting up with harsh criticism from, us, the descerning public that sit and type messages to each other all day:rolleyes: .

As we all know the scene is under funded, under developed and in general ignored by the vast majority of "music fans" (that absorb a dissprportionate amount of commercially released material from large corporate labels). Back to back comparisons with our euro counterparts puts us at a distinct financial disadvantage in developing indigenous talent too. Not solely the arts councils fault either to be fair

If the scene is to develop here, we have to make the soil fertile. Young bands fuel the scene and need to be given some sort of opportunity to play in order to develop, most end up callin it a day after a short while. Some get quite good and very few get out of the country to move on to bigger things.
[snip]

Anyway for what its worth, my personal opinion is that most bands in Ireland are hobbyists and thats fine, there are plenty of good bands out there if you get out there regularly enough. [snip]. We encourage people to stay involved and enjoy the gigs and the nights out for what they are, a bit of craic an opportunity to check out a few bands out and who knows every now and then find some ya like. That is the bigger picture for us, we dont have any resources or the required skill sets to look beyond that, GigSmart is an amature organisation

Yes we have had a lot of sub standard bands, we've had a lot of really good ones to who have gone on to develop opportunities with our help.....and that is the point.

The scene needs to develop at all levels, its a small scene , and for the size of it the output is high in my opinion, with more effort support and development the output could be of a higher quality.... as it is the quality is quite low in my opinion, and so the endless internet debates rages on.

[snip]

"Sell your computer and buy a guitar"

All the best
Trev

miju

you make some very good points Trev M but less of the Gigsmart press release snippets please, ta

Savman

*yawn* more Gigsmart drivel :rolleyes:

They've been spewing out the same aul rubbish for how many years now? I for one can never make head nor tail of what they're on about, maybe its just a coincidence everytime a thread titled "irish bands are crap" is started, its never long before the gigsmart name is always mentioned. Coincidence I'm sure...;)

Back on topic, there are very few bands worth listening to in the emerald isle these days and its a pity. I can't bloody stand "hobbyists" and tbh most people in original bands i've come across act like pompous arseholes. It's like just because they're trying to do something artistic or creative somehow means they think that makes them philosophically minded...pffff. :mad: Get yer heads outta yer arses ffs, nobody cares about your sh*tty band until you're on CD:UK, that's the way it is, this being a business n' all.

My God. :mad: :eek: :mad:

Ok. Like any major city, there are (IMO) excellent bands, good bands and rubbish bands in Dublin.
eg.
Butterfly Explosion,
Lauren Guillery (and band),
PIG,
Humanzi,
Channel 1,
The Things,
All the above are exceptional in my opinion.

The problem is people won't get up to go to a gig even if it's free. The majority of people when they go to a gig, want to go somewhere, get drunk and sing along to songs that have been forced down their throat by "the evil media"
All you need to do is attend a CPU gig to witness that.
Don't you all realise that Dublin needs CPU, GigSmart, Boards (pimp my band). Without that, it would be so much harder to do anything in this business. All gigs would be pay to play making it even harder for you to get your first gig. My hat goes off to all these organisations trying to make Dublin a little better for the upcoming band.

ape

miju wrote:

guys relax and tone it down a little will ye , i know ape came out with some outlandish statements but they're his opinion and you can't be calling him an arsehole etc for saying what he thinks

I've used some strong words myself, so I don't mind being called an arsehole, narrow minded, ignorant, etc.
no worries.

J.S. Pill

Call me an old dinosaur if you will but what ever happened to 'groove' and 'jamming'??? I don't think I've ever seen a rock band in dublin seriously improvise (Well maybe drag something out for a few bars). C'mon kids, dig out your parent's old Hendrix and The Who records!

Having said that there are some genuinely entertaining bands out there - Humanzi and The Things f**king rock!

jcoote

but in fairness this ****e music thing streches way beyond dublin.

can anybody honestly say that any modern band can match the likes of floyd or hendrix or whatever

no so people have **** all fresh imagination in the worldwide music scene so they find it hard to create

notice everybody always says 'influences' in every 'wanted' post.

people should be their own influence and create rather than just play for the sake of bein in a band.

miju

Papa Smut wrote:

My God. :mad: :eek: :mad:

Ok. Like any major city, there are (IMO) excellent bands, good bands and rubbish bands in Dublin.
eg.
Butterfly Explosion,
Lauren Guillery (and band),
PIG,
Humanzi,
Channel 1,
The Things,
All the above are exceptional in my opinion.

sorry papa but friends of mine as the things are and good they are not then again they're not my cuppa tea but judging by your post they are are , they're was a big buzz about them back around the time of listo (before they became humanzi) and to bring it back to a point i was making earlier they ****ed off to germany didn't really get any where then went to sXsw convention in the states and ended up releasing a single (on vinyl of all things) with a US indie label and they haven't really done much since

J.S. Pill wrote:

Call me an old dinosaur if you will but what ever happened to 'groove' and 'jamming'??? I don't think I've ever seen a rock band in dublin seriously improvise (Well maybe drag something out for a few bars). C'mon kids, dig out your parent's old Hendrix and The Who records!

Having said that there are some genuinely entertaining bands out there - Humanzi and The Things f**king rock!

most definitely agree (apart from the things of course) ;-)

Savman

J.S. Pill wrote:

Call me an old dinosaur if you will but what ever happened to 'groove' and 'jamming'??? I don't think I've ever seen a rock band in dublin seriously improvise (Well maybe drag something out for a few bars). C'mon kids, dig out your parent's old Hendrix and The Who records!

Hear hear!

Having said that there are some genuinely entertaining bands out there - Humanzi and The Things f**king rock!

And you were doing so well...:D:D:D

dross

but you can't complain. the majority of people will not be worth it because the majority of people aren't capable of it, and the majority of people won't listen to it even when it is worth it because the majority of people aren't be capable of listening to it. do you think that even if everyone knew that they were inferior that they would be able to improve? the problem isn't bands, it's people and their lack of eductation. it's pessimistic but it's the same in any field, just the principals of contemporary music are less clearly defined and the players/listeners of contemporary music are generally uneducated about it. quality is always a workoutable thing. you just have too much money, too little education and too much shakey information.

Bitsie

jcoote wrote:

people should be their own influence and create rather than just play for the sake of bein in a band.

Yeah but people need the influence of bands they like to know what music they like and want to create.....you cant start from scratch without having any influence whatsoever!! Everybody needs a starting point and something to help them develop their own sound! Even the most famous bands and guitarists have 'influences' as you put it and fav guitarist they like to listen to etc...:D

shredmaster777

dross wrote:

..you just have too much money, too little education and too much shakey information.

Spicy Lauren

GUYS,

Will ye all SHUP UP!!
Just come and see me and my band PLAY!


Lauren

miju

to demostrate the bad or good type of music out there ?

LOL , only buzzin lauren

Spicy Lauren

miju wrote:

to demostrate the bad or good type of music out there ?

LOL , only buzzin lauren

Check it out for yourself, mate!
(Although I believe myspace is down this morning...)