NCT A farse?

JoeySully

Had my nct retest today!

Here are some problems theat i know about my car!
1. weak starter motor
2. Smooookeeee is hell
3. timing is defo off.
4. emmisions leaking from exhaust manifold
5. intermittent brake light prob(think i might have fixed this on though)
6. exhaust hitting offf undercarrige over bumps. hitting the handbrake under car.
7. Oil leak
i cant believe
NCT RESULT : PASS
ps. yes i do intend to fix these problems

kluivert

My car went to the NCT centre with a new exhaust in the boot, the mechanic that took my car to the NCT centre said he would put the exhaust on later and it passed.

How??

NCT like everything else in this country is a revenue collecting devise, bring in the MOT.

JoeySully

kluivert wrote:

My car went to the NCT centre with a new exhaust in the boot, the mechanic that took my car to the NCT centre said he would put the exhaust on later and it passed.

How??

NCT like everything else in this country is a revenue collecting devise, bring in the MOT.

I had to do the retest because there was a hole in the exhaust. they would nt do the emmisssions test at all until it was replaced

Kimbot

My GF had a show car!! Had "poppers" in the doors and they failed it.. her mechanic brought it around to them and she rang and said look at the end of the day I can bring the car back here with different doors so it will pass but I will change them straight back and they passed her car straight up!!

Cosmo K

Ok, let the battle begin As I work for the NCT since 2003 (I'm not gonna tell you where), whats your problem ? Most of the time, people complain that the test is way to strict, and now you are saying its not strict enough ?

Weak Starter motor:not part of the test !
Diesel smoke: trust me, if it passes the diesel smoke test, it can't be that bad
Timing is off: How do you know that for sure ? Do you really want us to check the timing on every car we test? Fair enough, but it would make the test slightly more expensive :eek: how about a little valet Sir ?
broken manifold: again if it passes the diesel test, can't be that bad
brake light failure: if it works in the test center.....fair enough
exhaust and speedbumps: fortunately we don't have speedbumps on the the lane, as long the exhaust mounting is sound, its a pass...so what are you moaning about ???


Bring in the mot ?!`The NCT System is far from perfect, way to strict in some areas, the stupid number plate thing for example, and in other areas its not strict enough, tyre sizes and so....definitely room for improvement! But I know one thing for sure, the mot is a F&*@ing joke !

Sorry about my written english, hope its not too bad

Day-wanna-wonga

C*nts. They failed me last year because a bulb went sometime between the night before my test (when I check my front lights in a window reflection at night) and the time I brought it for the test the next morning. I had to go replace the bulb, and bring it back and pay €20 (approx) for a quick 'thumbs up'.

JoeySully

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

C*nts. They failed me last year because a bulb went sometime between the night before my test (when I check my front lights in a window reflection at night) and the time I brought it for the test the next morning. I had to go replace the bulb, and bring it back and pay €20 (approx) for a quick 'thumbs up'.

broke the bulb yesterday evening while trying to fix the brake light. threw a spanner at it!
I was running around this morning looking for a brake light bulb. went to 4 petrol stations before i found one that actually sold them.

Anan1

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

C*nts. They failed me last year because a bulb went sometime between the night before my test (when I check my front lights in a window reflection at night) and the time I brought it for the test the next morning. I had to go replace the bulb, and bring it back and pay €20 (approx) for a quick 'thumbs up'.

They're c*nts because your bulb didn't work at test? Come on.

ibanezjem

Good topic actually..the NCT farse thing. I wonder how important people think it is to have a valid NCT if your car is relatively young...say anything after '00. If your car is well looked after and the disgrace that the NCT really is, is is that important?? The guards seem to concentrate on Tax & insurance at Checkpoints. NCT..what NCT??? who cares!!.... I know plenty of people driving 98-02 cars that have never been NCT'd since first registration. However we do need a proper system to take the bangers of the road.

Depending on the amount of revenue generated at that particular period of the year determines if you pass or fail and everyone knows this is a money spinner for the excuse of a government we have as its clearly not carried out nor policed properly.

NCT doesnt mean sh•it. With only a few posts so far, its very clear that there are loopholes and corners to be cut regarding a pass "on one condition..." situations. Bloody scandalous. If the car is unfit for roaduse at time of test. Fail! But this is not so. The "I'll fix it later" line etc should not be used as a compromise towards a so called professional body that is supposed to be the NCT. I say down with the NCT... more so down with government scams...

The Muppet

A friend of mines light switches on the colume of his ford escort died on the morning of his NCT. He didn't have time to get it fixed but went ahead with his appointment without saying anything to the tester. After the test the tester told him he had failed because his rear seat belt was tucked down the seat. He advised him to drive to one of the bays and take it out and he would pass it, which he did.


The again I failed and NCT because of badly aligned headlights , which surprised me beacuse a mechanic friend of mine in a DOE test centre had alligned them on a machine pre test. Needless to say I took the car back to the mechanic and he retested it. Again he said the lights were perfectand and to bring it back for another test. I did and without making any alterations this time it passed.

I suppose the moral of the story if there is any is that the NCT is only as good as the guy giving the test.

Henry Ford III

It's spelt FARCE. Jebus!

johnny_adidas

have to agree with cosmo k here. some people just need something to complain about imo. if it had failed there would probably be a threadon saying, the coonts failed me and there was only these small things wrong with it....
be happy it bloody well passed

Day-wanna-wonga

Anan1 wrote:

They're c*nts because your bulb didn't work at test? Come on.

No - they're c*nts because they make me come back again and pay a re-test fee because a bulb was blown, instead of just telling me to replace it. That's retarded logic, based on some of the stuff the OP said they passed him on...

Anan1

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

No - they're c*nts because they make me come back again and pay a re-test fee because a bulb was blown, instead of just telling me to replace it. That's retarded logic, based on some of the stuff the OP said they passed him on...

You brought the car to test with a blown bulb. That really is about the size of it.

Day-wanna-wonga

Anan1 wrote:

You brought the car to test with a blown bulb. That really is about the size of it.

No - the size of it is they made me come back to re-test just because of a blown bulb, that they could have just told me to replace on the way home. See that thing flying right over your head?... that's 'the point', and you just missed it.

johnny_adidas

was it their fault u didnt have your lights working on the day???

alias no.9

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

No - they're c*nts because they make me come back again and pay a re-test fee because a bulb was blown, instead of just telling me to replace it. That's retarded logic, based on some of the stuff the OP said they passed him on...

A retest for just a bulb is free. It must have been a dipped headlight bulb which meant they could not check the allignment, so the retest fee was for the allignment, not the bulb.

johnny_adidas

and what would happen to the guy who tested you if you went off out the gate with your bulbs not working and a new nct cert and you crash later cos they didnt work???
in fairness its one of the things on the list that should be working. if it was me i wouldve said dont print out that fail and ill be back in 15 mins, but maybe that wasnt an option. as said above they would have to rig it up again to test the alignment of the headlights which means the machinery has to be used. i can see what your getting at but thats their job and if they let one thing go, then should they let everyone with a blown bulb off with it?
i had similar thing with a brake pedal rubber. the one i was supplied with wouldnt fit so i failed due to it sitting there in the cup holder. if i had left it at home i wouldnt have failed at all. still its not the guys fault, only doing his job. got another rubber, fitted it, took a look and printed my cert.

Anan1

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

No - the size of it is they made me come back to re-test just because of a blown bulb, that they could have just told me to replace on the way home. See that thing flying right over your head?... that's 'the point', and you just missed it.

Just because of a blown bulb?? It's the NCT, they test for blown bulbs!! You were stupid enough to bring a car for test with a blown bulb and now you're whining? Sell your car, you're too stupid to drive.;)

sneakyST

i had a rear light fail on the way to the test. The car failed but i could bring it back within four weeks anytime i liked free of charge with the bulb replaced to get my cert. easy. no drama

SonOfPerdition

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

No - the size of it is they made me come back to re-test just because of a blown bulb, that they could have just told me to replace on the way home. See that thing flying right over your head?... that's 'the point', and you just missed it.

:rolleyes:
If anyone missed the point it was you.

Day-wanna-wonga

Anan1 wrote:

Just because of a blown bulb?? It's the NCT, they test for blown bulbs!! You were stupid enough to bring a car for test with a blown bulb and now you're whining? Sell your car, you're too stupid to drive.;)

Stupid? I checked all the bulbs the night before @ 11pm, and my test was at 9:10am the next morning - how is that stupid? And I did sell that car - ages ago.

It had 3 sets of lights on the front, so with that blown bulb, there were still 5 lights visible on the front. You'd think logic would prevail in that situation.

Anan1

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

Stupid? I checked all the bulbs the night before @ 11pm, and my test was at 9:10am the next morning - how is that stupid? And I did sell that car - ages ago.

It had 3 sets of lights on the front, so with that blown bulb, there were still 5 lights visible on the front. You'd think logic would prevail in that situation.

Logic did prevail. You brought your car to test with a blown bulb and you failed. So what if the bulb worked the previous night? So what if there were 5, 10, or even 15 other lights on the front of the car? You brought your car to test with a blown bulb and that's why they failed you. Don't you think it's time to stop whining & move on?

alias no.9

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

Stupid? I checked all the bulbs the night before @ 11pm, and my test was at 9:10am the next morning - how is that stupid? And I did sell that car - ages ago.

It had 3 sets of lights on the front, so with that blown bulb, there were still 5 lights visible on the front. You'd think logic would prevail in that situation.

It doesn't matter how many sets of bulbs you had. If you had to pay for the retest, it must have been one of your dipped headlights that was blown and because it was blown they could not check the headlight allignment. Your arguement is a bit like saying they failed you because one of your wheels was missing but you had three others so they should have just told you to fix it on the way home, despite the fact that they weren't able to test other things because of the missing wheel, such as brakes, suspension imbalabce, axel slip, etc...

Day-wanna-wonga

Anan1 wrote:

Logic did prevail. You brought your car to test with a blown bulb and you failed. So what if the bulb worked the previous night? So what if there were 5, 10, or even 15 other lights on the front of the car? You brought your car to test with a blown bulb and that's why they failed you. Don't you think it's time to stop whining & move on?

No, I think it's time the policy was changed and they stopped failing for retarded things that should just be 'advisories".

Day-wanna-wonga

alias no.9 wrote:

Your arguement is a bit like saying they failed you because one of your wheels was missing but you had three others so they should have just told you to fix it on the way home,

Your analogy is seriously stupid - you can't drive on 3 wheels, numb-nuts. I had 1 out of 6 front lights blown. Sliiiiiiiiiight difference.

Anyway - I'm done with this topic, so Anan1 will have to start following me elsewhere.

Anan1

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

No, I think it's time the policy was changed and they stopped failing for retarded things that should just be 'advisories".

You think blown headlight bulbs should be "advisories"?

alias no.9

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

Your analogy is seriously stupid

Much the same as your argument then, but I'll refrain from the childish name calling

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

- you can't drive on 3 wheels, numb-nuts.

DS20perfecture might disagree with you on that one if he's around.

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

I had 1 out of 6 front lights blown. Sliiiiiiiiiight difference.

It wasn't simply a blown bulb. Your car couldn't be tested for headlight allignment because one of the dipped headlight bulbs was blown, otherwise your retest would have been free and done without an appointment which meant you could have come back within 5 minutes once you replaced the bulb. Whatever way you look at this, they did nothing wrong.

Anan1

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

Anyway - I'm done with this topic, so Anan1 will have to start following me elsewhere.

Is it just me, or are there a lot of little kiddies with different names but who sound remarkably similar running around here recently?

kc66

My gf had her NCT on Sunday. She forgot that her front light was blown. Also they are focused totally wrong- aimed to the left. She passed.
Not complaining.

gyppo

Heres a copy of an earlier post of mine:


About 3 years ago, I brought my wifes 92 Toyota Starlet to have its NCT. Went away for a coffee, arrived back about 45min later. NCT tester told me he had good news, and bad news.
The good news - the car passed everything fine, with all results well within margins.
The bad news - a third seatbelt should have been fitted in the rear, this had'nt been done, it was a free recall from toyota.
Get the belt sorted, and I can then issue your NCT cert, sez he.


Anyhow, the local toyota garage were very busy, and I was fobbed off a few times before the new rear belt was fitted.


Eventually, by the time I got the car back to the NCT centre, I was a day over the prescribed time (28 days, I think). So, I was told that the car would have to have a full test carried out again. I was slightly pi**ed off, but could'nt see what other alternative there was, so the car was arranged to be tested a few days later (the next slot they had in their timetable)

Imagine my amazement that the car failed the retest!
The tester (different guy to the previous one) showed me the test report, and the car failed due to a brake imbalance.

Now, imagine the testers amazement when I showed him the NCT report from 30 odd days earlier, showing a clean bill of health. There was something like 210 miles difference between the odometer readings on both reports.

I asked how there could be such a difference in the two reports in such a short space of time, which he could not answer. He then told me that he himself did not test the car this time, one of his colleagues had. He went off to speak to him, and I could see the pair of them having a good chinwag. He then returned, and offered to test the car personally, so I agreed to it.

Suprise, Suprise, it passed!!


As I said earlier, the car passed the test the 1st time, well within any failure limits. I could imagine that if it had been a borderline case 1st time out, it could easily fail 2nd time. However, this was not the case here.

Since then, I have always had a healthy dose of cynicism for the NCT test.

breanoh

I have had nothing but positive experienves with the NCT. They are always very helpful, and are very fair. I know that NCT have to test their equipment either daily or weekly depending on the machine, and they are all calibrated. The thing with the Popper doors is a safety concern, and they are a daft modification anyway. It is up to the gardaí to enforce the law on the roads, and Once the car has been presented for NCT in crrect order and passed it is nothing more to do with them.
Mr. Lightbulb..... What can I say...... Check your lights on the MORNING of the test, NOT the night before! Anyway, why do you have 6 lights illuminated at the front of your car? By law you are only allowed one dipped beam per side, all other lights have to come on with the headlights, so they could have made you re-wire your car, that is a safety issue (ie blinding other drivers at night by having exessive lighting) The issue of tehre being a blown bulb is another safety issue, how do you have full vision at night with only one dipped light? (rememberin my earlier comment about auxhiliaries!) Danger to pedestrians and animals on country roads/ main roads (unlit with no footpath)
And with regard to the newer cars, Have heard a couple of (confirmed) stories about running 04's and 05's through for a laugh and them failing on brakes and worn suspension........... There is (to the best of my knowledge) a better pass rate amoungst the older cars than the newer ones.
So think of this before dissin the NCT.

Anan1

Gyppo - I wouldn't be particularly surprised at a brake imbalance appearing and disappearing on an 11 year old car. It could just be that a caliper was a bit sticky, etc. I'm not saying that this definitely was the case, but it certainly appears to be a realistic possibility to me.

dubtom

I have issues with the nct too, I think it's basically a money spinning exercise. I failed on a headlight alignment, brought the car up to quickfit on the naas road and they couldn't align it because the alignment nuts were seized, so I did nothing with it, Brought the car back to the nct, the guy jumped in and had it up to the machine before I had a chance to get into the centre,stuck the aligment thing in front of the light, took all of 5 seconds and passed it.I'm convinced that a certain percentage of cars will fail just so the nct can keep their numbers up and make more money, I'd love to know if the employees are given orders to fail cars on aligment and things that can't be 100% verified by an independant,hint hint cosmo K

shoegirl

JoeySully wrote:

Had my nct retest today!

Here are some problems theat i know about my car!
1. weak starter motor
2. Smooookeeee is hell
3. timing is defo off.
4. emmisions leaking from exhaust manifold
5. intermittent brake light prob(think i might have fixed this on though)
6. exhaust hitting offf undercarrige over bumps. hitting the handbrake under car.
7. Oil leak
i cant believe
NCT RESULT : PASS
ps. yes i do intend to fix these problems

I can nearly beat that:
air flow sensor causing power loss when accelerating
1 RH rear and 1 LH front ball bearing gone
rusty exhaust box
power steering fluid leaking on one side of steering rod
bushes on front suspensions sh**ged
Plus a few minor problems that aren't safety issues (difficult to unlock doors, wiper blades, and two swithces cuasing the alert when lights left on not to work)

Also noticing the timing starting to go off, but trading car in this week so not worried about it. Would have cost me 900 euro to fix! Mechanic told me it was unroadworthy, but he did give it the worst service I've ever had in 8 years of owning cars I'm a bit cynical. Actually suspect he didn't service it at all.

NCT was about 12 weeks ago, failed initially on a tiny bulb being missing, but went to garage next door and got it replaced. When I went back to the NCT centre the guy just peered out the window at the car (he couldn't possibly have seen if I'd actually replaced the bulb) and printed off a PASSED certificate!

Gatster

Sorry about my written english, hope its not too bad

It's not bad at all, but how about spoken? The two guys last year in Ballymun couldn't communicate with each other, never mind me (lots of pointing ensued). I have no problem with the failure last year (track rod) but do with the inability to speak plain English. Same story this morning despite a pass.
My mate's wifes old Uno passed despite the indicators not working correctly and the sunroof glass being held in with duct-tape. Luck of the draw as far as I can see, well at Ballymun it seems to be.

green-blood

well English isnt our offical first language either, maybe we should send all NCT employees to Connemara for a summer !!!!!!

If anyone believes the MOT system in the UK is better you are having a laf. The same garage that fails you quotes you for repairs...come on. Meanwhile if you think the NCT is too tough, try getting through a German TUV test, if the washer fluid isnt an approved brand you'll fail.

Cosmo K

It's not bad at all, but how about spoken?

Even better, with a bit of an Limerick/Clare accent:D

But I know exactly what you mean, and yes this is a big problem in some of the Dublin Centers like Deansgrange or Northpoint, where most of the staff is non irish. Quite frustrating for customers and the NCT staff.

il gatto

My car failed the NCT last week. It's a 98 Alfa 156. I know alot of people give them stick, but I've worked in stores for e few different makes and they're no worse than anything else out there. Anyway, the NCT did a hatchet job on my car. Wiper linkage? Wipers work fine. Very little play at the spindle. €191+VAT+labour. I also have to replace basically every link and bushing he could find under the car. All in it'll cost me almost €2,000. And thats a guy I know giving me a good price on the labour.
My problem is that I expected a wishbone, a droplink and a few bushings. He really went to town on it though. The car is tight on the road. There's little or no roll on corners. It doesn't sway or veer offline. The guy who's fixing it looked it over with me and said the anti roll bars were fine. When I showed him the NCT report he was shocked. Can't get bushings for it. Have to get both roll bars complete €216.80+VAT+labour. And an expirienced mechanic reckons their perfect.
I put a Peugeot 306 thrugh 3 years ago that was rough as a bears arse and it passed first time. I had to stop driving it shorly afterwards as it was so loose and hard to control on the road. Same with my mothers old Golf.
I'm not saying I didn't want to fix anything, but I know alot of the stuff it failed on was in good condition or at least not impacting on the cars safety. I think the tester just put down what an Alfa normally fails on without really checking. Only problem is, I really don't have any comeback and have to replace servicable parts because the tester doesn't like Alfas, or me, or was having a bad day or whatever reason.

Anan1

Funny that, I had the opposite experience when I dropped a 98 Alfa 156 in for NCT in Deansgrange on Monday. The car passed, but when I brought it for service today the mechanic (Gerry @ TI) told me I needed new anti roll bars, and that had he been doing the test, he would have failed the car!

il gatto

Oh to be in Deansgrange! I'm afraid my local test-center are only too observant. And my tax and insurance are both due in August as well:(

SouperComputer

@ il gatto, if a number of people (Clued in people) are of the opinion that the car is in good enough condition to pass, then maybe send it back in to the NCT without any work and see how it goes.

Misty Moon

il gatto wrote:

I think the tester just put down what an Alfa normally fails on without really checking. Only problem is, I really don't have any comeback and have to replace servicable parts because the tester doesn't like Alfas, or me, or was having a bad day or whatever reason.

As most of the tests carried out are controlled by a computer it's not very likely. Have you checked the NCT website or rung them? I can't remember but I think they do have some kind of appeals process if you really think your car should have passed.

miju

[quote=Day-wanna-wonga]
C*nts. They failed me last year because a bulb went sometime between the night before my test (when I check my front lights in a window reflection at night) and the time I brought it for the test the next morning. I had to go replace the bulb, and bring it back and pay €20 (approx) for a quick 'thumbs up'.
on.[/quote]

goes to show the inconsistency on the test , my other half failed (wipers broken) brought it back the next day with the problem fixed and wasn'[t charged anything because it was only a quick visual inspection , you sir got done out of €20 , LOL

englander

I have/had much more faith in the MOT system than NCT.

NCT is so hit and miss...

I brought a car over from UK after failing a recent MOT test before I moved.

I failed the MOT at a local garage due to ..

no battery mountings (rusted away).
A bush gone on steering column.
Anti rollbar link missing.
One of back seatbelts doesn't stay in the gadget.
Handbrake not holding well enough (cable not tight enough).
Half the passenger door missing (due to rust).

After importing car to Ireland was told I would have to do an NCT.

I decided to let it go through NCT and then decide whetehr to just scrap car or get it fixed depending on results.

I was told after the test that it had failed due to my back lights being too bright and there must be an electrical fault....WTF?

It turns out the back lights dim after I start the engine. So I demonstrated this and they agreed to pass the car (despite all the known problems)

I then had a bit of a row as I got an NCT for 3 months only. I was bloody livid. It was because the cert only last until the anniversary of when the car was first registered. That just isn't fair and stinks of a money spinner.

Sure enough when I took it back 3 months later, they failed due to rusty door and rust under the car.

Didn't mention any of the other problems. (I got these fixed with the rust fixes). It was a foreign gentleman who couldn't explain exactly where the rust was. Just a blob of highlighter on a poor diagram of a car and lots of pointing and shrugging.

Give me the MOT system anyday. Yes there are dodgy garages but they risk losing their MOT status if they just give out MOTs.

If they fail you with a goal of getting work (which paranoia will always have you believe), there is no reason why you have to get the work done at their garage. You can also get it retested at another garage.

And theres none of this certificate from the anniversary of the first registration of the car.

And they all speak English, which is very important when you need to know what to fix.

alias no.9

Misty Moon wrote:

As most of the tests carried out are controlled by a computer it's not very likely. Have you checked the NCT website or rung them? I can't remember but I think they do have some kind of appeals process if you really think your car should have passed.

The bushings are a visual check. They do the axel slip allignment test but you can be failed on 'worn' bushings even if this is well within spec. Mine (also a 156) failed for a rear suspension bushing a few weeks ago, despite being well within spec for the slip allignment test. The bushing was on the hub end of the rear transverse arm and because the bushings cannot be bought seperately, the arm had to be replaced, €45 plus an hour of my time, so I suppose getting the old bush out and pressing a new one in might have been a lot more trouble than changing the arm. Anyway, back to the test center and they repeated the slip allignment test, it was improved, and put the car up on the lift and gave a glance, saw the new arm and did no more, just came out and gave me the cert. This despite the fact that there are several more bushings under there and the crayon mark his buddy had left the previous day was gone. I examined the bushing that came off and there didnt seem to be a whole lot wrong with it. Sorry if this has got a bit long winded.

Anan1

miju wrote:

goes to show the inconsistency on the test , my other half failed (wipers broken) brought it back the next day with the problem fixed and wasn'[t charged anything because it was only a quick visual inspection , you sir got done out of €20 , LOL

As has been pointed out repeatedly on this thread, they can't check headlight alignment with a blown bulb. This requires equipment to test, hence the charge. Might be an idea to read before you post next time.

Diamondmaker

Day-wanna-wonga wrote:

Your analogy is seriously stupid - you can't drive on 3 wheels, numb-nuts. I had 1 out of 6 front lights blown. Sliiiiiiiiiight difference.

Anyway - I'm done with this topic, so Anan1 will have to start following me elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anan1
What an angry young man...

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

please stop following me to every thread i reply to.
thank you.

Anan1 wrote:

Is it just me, or are there a lot of little kiddies with different names but who sound remarkably similar running around here recently?

I thought this when I read that, well I thought the opposite of what you said actually
DM: "Oh there is Anan stalking again, driving his point home to boredom"

I can assure you that I am NOT Day wann wanna wonga ( stupid name in all fairness:D ) or the other guy who recently said the same. Maybe the other 2 are the same or maybe you DO stalk excessively.

I knew our agreeing would not last long:D

Anan1

My, who's paranoid today?;)

Diamondmaker

Your the one with the conspiracy theory that we are all one person!

This belongs on the cuckoos nest I think....
"Multiple personality Anan stalkers";)

chicken_food

speaking of nct farces, if i imported a car from uk and it was 1st regisestered in uk in 1993 november. does that mean when i go to nct it,it will only be done till november or will it be the date of 1st irish registered?